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Rich4god: Then why not die now so that you will have that relief.

ok, i will die out of this satan's ruled world one day if God's kingdom does not come in my life time.

But i hope that you, after all this celebration of your birthday will lived forever in this satan ruled world and continue to celebrate Chrismas and your birthday, if not, i pity you for your wested effort in futility.

You think that your gift of speech and writhing should be used in twisting what has been written in God's word the bible abi?

Rich4god: Common. That is the jewish tradition

^^
yes, like our inheriting sin from Adam is also a "jewish tradition"
lol.

You can keep deceiving your self for all i care.

Let him that has an ear hears what what is writing in the bible as a principle for us.

Rich4god: so it doesnt hold water in this arguement.

yes, Adamic sin "does not hold water" for you and the ransom of Jesus christ is lost on you since it is still on that priciple that the ransom came.

A new born makes a woman unclean for an inherited sin into the world you say it does not hold because of a birth day celebration.
Smh.

Rich4god: Or do you care to explain why women become unclean after having her periods

you did not ask me to explained the other one that you had said it does not hold why ask me to explain this one then?

Will you not still through away my explanation?

You are on your own.

Rich4god: It more about the jewish tradition.

to you every thing about the laws of Yahweh to the Jews is mere edition and does not concern you.

Adam's sin was also a Jewish tradition then.

Rich4god: "your women"[/color] becomes unclean after child birth.

since that relate to the inherited sin of Adam i belief the value of Jesus ransom sacrifice is constantly being applied to her for cleansing one for all times
my friend, Rich4god. You lied on Yahweh's priciple of sin offering for the new born, let me explain why you lied.
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there was an annual sin offering done by the high priest on behalf of the whole nation of Israel yearly.

The new Born usual was not a beneficiary to this yearly sin offering since the child was not born yet into the world.
so, when the new born comes into the world it was necessary to do a child specific sin offering for the new born children to keep the nation clean from the inherited Adamic sin that the new born came with into the world so that Yahweh can still keep relating to the whole nation without considering the Adamic sin for that year.

By the next year, the new born will benefit from the general sin offering from the whole nation of Israel...

Stop lying and twisting so that i will not call you "rich4satan"
peace

Zikkyy: What manner of logic is this? If you are leaving the house and you tell your children please always remember to keep the doors locked (for security reasons). Is that to say they cannot eat, or they cannot watch the television? Maybe your children will be telling themselves, we should not be doing our homework because the only command daddy left behind is for us to keep the doors locked.

keep on celebrating your sinful state in birthday celebrtion like the pegan satan worshpers then and wait for Yahweh's blessing.
Peace

Zikkyy: Unbelievable! You guys just pick the bible, turns it upside down before you read it. Only the woman that is frustrated with life can curse the day she was born! No need to curse, the most appropriate thing to do is to hang yourself that way you Will not remember the day you were born. Am sure your brothers ijawkid & truthislight have been cursing the day they were born as well.

my friend you talk with less understanding wisdom and love for Yahweh.

For a world that satan has shattered Yahweh's plans in eden and has brought on death and suffering and has called Yahweh "aliar" you sure do have alot to celebrate about abi ?

Instead of being born into eternal life you are born into a world with sin, pains and suffering and death, bearing in mind that Adam you father was driven out of Yahweh's face in Eden, do you see why the exit from satan's world is a relief? Yes, waiting on Yahweh's new world?

But you with lack of knowledge see like an ant that is stuck on honey cant see things from yehwahs point of views that satan has made mess of this world and has been an insult to Yahweh and Yahweh's plans.

But you are busy celebrating satan and his Demons lies like his worshpers do.

Why do you think that a woman in israel on giving birth is unclean?

Why was there a need for a sin offering for the new born?

My friend, Yahweh's principles are lost on you guys and it is a disgrace that you call yourselves "christians"

You guys have some serious thinking and meditation to do.

That satan used a pope that is completely out of tune with Yahweh's principle you think it is right to closed your eyes to the facts abi?

"It is the flies that does not take advice that follows the copes into the grave"

the principle of Yahweh shows that the birth of a child into this sinful world makes one unclean, this realisation has been the guiding principle for servant of Yahweh, while servant of satan celebrate it.

^^^ on whose side are you?

Zikkyy: Unbelievable! You guys just pick the bible, turns it upside down before you read it. Only the woman that is frustrated with life can curse the day she was born! No need to curse, the most appropriate thing to do is to hang yourself that way you Will not remember the day you were born. Am sure your brothers ijawkid & truthislight have been cursing the day they were born as well.

my friend you talk with less understanding wisdom and love for Yahweh.

For a world that satan has shattered Yahweh's plans in eden and has brought on death and suffering and has called Yahweh "aliar" you sure do have alot to celebrate about abi ?

Instead of being born into eternal life you are born into a world with sin, pains and suffering and death, bearing in mind that Adam your father was driven out of Yahweh's face in Eden, do you see why the exit from satan's world is a relief? Yes, waiting on Yahweh's new world?

But you with limited knowledge sees like an ant that is stuck on honey cant see things from yehwahs point of views that satan has made mess of this world and has been an insult to Yahweh and Yahweh's plans.

But you are busy celebrating satan and his Demons lies like his worshpers do.

Why do you think that a woman in israel on giving birth is unclean?

Why was there a need for a sin offering for the new born?

My friend, Yahweh's principles are lost on you guys and it is a disgrace that you call yourselves "christians"

You guys have some serious thinking and meditation to do.

That satan used a pope that is completely out of tune with Yahweh's principle you think it is right to closed your eyes to the facts abi?

"It is the flies that does not take advice that follows the copes into the grave"

the principle of Yahweh shows that the birth of a child into this sinful world makes one unclean, this realisation has been the guiding principle for servant of Yahweh, while servant of satan celebrate it.

^^^ on whose side are you?

jackname: You are only trying to divert this thread, i will definately be back to qoute your posts as soon as i resolve with the moderator.....

I PLAPPVILE is temporary out of service in NL...

my sis why nah?

inurmind: Why do you think it's senseless?
Advocate is right, you are sounding like a theist, one who is scared of challenging topics.
Besides, if you weren't so busy being unnecessary angry you would notice that the op and some other theists only ended up sounding silly.
Seun should really make things less dictatorial.

will you fellows leave the Mods to do their jobs in peace?

Do you guys/gals want to take over the job of the Mods?

Why is he the mod if he cannot take action when he feels it is right?

All you can do is lay your grievances and not to take over his job.

*sigh*
Smh.

Rebels!

advocate666: Anony, this is how it is done. If you had given a straightforward answer like this, you would have converted an atheist and a Satanist.

honestly Annony really did not do well at all,

i will have reminded you guys over and over again that you are no longer what you are, but the guy was just true to type and true to prediction.

Logicboy03: Obadiah- always true to his convictions............Fire on and pass me the ganja!

it must be a very big wrap.

obadiah777: 1-YES ( ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 7 )

2-THE SOUL IS LOCATED IN EVERY CYTOPLASM, NUCLEUS, NUCLEOLUS, MITOCHONDRION, ENDOPLASM, GOLGI APPARATUS, RIBOSOMES, FLAGELLA, VACUOLES, SARCOPLASMIC RETICULUM. IT IS LOCATED IN EVERY CELL. THE SOUL IS THE ENERGY SOURCE TO THE WHOLE BODY WITHOUT WHICH LIFE CEASES.

3-THERE ARE RECEPTOR SITES IN EVERY CELL THAT THE SOUL IS SYNCED WITH.

4-WHEN THE RECEPTOR SITES CEASE TO FUNCTION, THE SOUL CANNOT ENERGIZE THE BODY. THE BODY BECOMES USELESS

5-YES ANIMALS AND INSECTS HAVE SOULS. ECCLESIASTES 3 VS 21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?

6-AS SOON AS YOU POP OUT OF THE WOMB YOUR BODY IS JUST MECHANICAL MEAT POWERED BY THE SOUL OF THE MOTHER. ONCE THE BABY POPS OUT, THE LORD DROPS A SOUL INTO IT. THE SOUL IS WHAT CAUSES THE BABY TO TAKE ITS FIRST BREATH. THE SOUL IS BREATH. SPIRITUS. PNEUMA

7-BEFORE WE ARE CONCEIVED THE SOUL IS WITH THE LORD WHO MADE IT ( ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 7 )

8-THE SOUL SYNCED INTO THE BODY RECEPTOR IS WHAT CREATES CONSCIOUSNESS. CONSCIOUSNESS IS INHERENT AND DORMANT IN THE SPIRIT HOWEVER IT IS ACTIVATED WHEN IT SYNCS WITH THE RECEPTORS OF A BODY

9-YES THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SOUL AND THE INTELLIGENCE / CHARACTER OF A HUMAN. THE SOUL IS THE LIFE FORCE. YOUR INTELLIGENCE WITH REGARDS TO CARNAL SUBJECTS IS TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON THE HEALTH OF THE BODY THAT THE SOUL IS POWERING. HOWEVER YOUR INTELLIGENCE WITH REGARDS TO GODLY KNOWLEDGE IS INHERENT IN THE SOUL IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE ELECT MEN OF GOD. YOUR CHARACTER IS DETERMINED BY BOTH YOUR SOUL AND THE HEALTH OF THE BODY IT IS POWERING. IF THE SOUL IS A DOCILE SOUL THEN IT WILL NOT POWER THE BODY FORCEFULLY AND YOU WILL HAVE A DOCILE HUMAN. HOWEVER IF THE SPIRIT IS STRONG THEN YOU WILL GET AN ACTIVE PERSON. IF THE BODY THAT IS BEING POWERED IS WEAK THEN IT WILL REACT SLOWLY TO THE FORCE OF THE SPIRIT AND IF THE BODY IS HEALTHY AND STRONG IT WILL REACT ACTIVELY AND SHARPLY TO THE FORCE OF THE SPIRIT. AS SUCH YOUR CHARACTER IS DETERMINED BY BOTH THE BODY AND THE SOUL.

SO HELP ME GOD

What was that? ^^^

men!

You need:

obadiah777: SO HELP ME GOD

yea! you really need it my friend.

Hahaha
Lol.

advocate666: LOL indeed my brother. The guy is an open open and shut case. So pathetically transparent. I guess I will remain a Satanist and you remain atheist. LOL.

chei!

Bad story befor my very eyes!

Why nah?

Did you not read the thread or you allowed yourself to be carried away by the questions Annony?

mazaje: @advocate666

It seems you are a prophet. . .LOL

you see what i mean?

You just fall hand finish.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You have asked a number of interesting questions. However, I also have questions of my own and I think it is only fair that before I answer any of your questions, you must answer one of mine. This way we will go through your questions one by one. If you agree to this, we shall proceed, if you don't agree, I will not proceed. Your call.[/quote]oooooooooh!

Lol.

Guy why did you not go straight ahead and answer this their questions so that we can hold them to their work?

See:

truthislight: lol.

Annony come oh! there are lost of prospects for you on this thread oh!

I mean, you will kill two or more birds with one stone on this thread.

this are the prospects i had in mind that you will harvest.

advocate666: If he comes here and gives a direct straightforward answer, I will renounce Satan.

and this

mazaje: I will also renounce atheism. . .

but you just come fall my hand without handling the questions outright.

If you had given them straight forward answers like they had asked for we will have held them to there words to renounce their atheism and satanist fellowships.

Goshen360: Truthislight,

Abeg leave logicboy joor. The things we say are foreign to his logic.....

lol.

But i sincerely wish he sees where we are coming from.

Logicboy03: You have started again.



Simple question; are matthew, mark. luke and john part of the new testament?

who said it is not?

Yes it is.

alexleo: It plays its own role. If your church has a program coming up next month what do you announce or write in your poster? For example- Truthislight ministry invites you to a crusade tagged "TRUTH IS LIGHT". DATE- 10th January, 2013.. Thats the role it plays in worship.

month and dates has nothing to do with my form of worship QED.

It will not be taken as something during and after.

Christ death is the christian command that i know.

chukwudi44: JWs seem to be dodging my questions.I will ask again.why are the JWs still using the 'pagan' roman names for the calendar months? Why haven't they created their own 'christian'calendar

no body makes use of pegan months for worship, or do you?

Chrismas is use for worship and that is the issue here.

"e author=Rich4god]
From what you guys have been saying, i still havent seen any reason why xmas is pagan.[/quote]that is because of your mind set on the issue.
Please yourself.

Rich4god: And mind you, the truthslyt is basing his reason on the fact that dec 25th is used for sun god

dont lie against me oh!

I said that birth day celebration is pegan and as such it was not done by servant of Yahweh.

Chrismas is a birthday celebrtion that true servant of God never got invoked in and as such Jesus will have nothing to do with it.

Rich4god: christmas that day is pagan worship.

but this is true.

Chrismas is model after the pegan sun god worship and not just about the day.

The tree
the fruits
the santa
the exchange of gift giving on a particular date

Rich4god: (did you now see how he relatted sun god worship ro xmas.)... Now, in the same way using truthlyt logic, am telling you that the day in which you celebrate Nisan 14 is equally attributed to a spirit/idol (according to truthlyt)

you dont even have a common respect for the commandment of Jesus christ.

He said "keep doing this in remembrance of me". Luke 22:19.

Rich4god: so in the same way, you are equallly worship that spirit on that particular day.

it is your word against the words of Jesus christ then.

Meanwhile, stop lying on me, saying that i had said that Chrismas is wrong because it is celebrated on a pegan date only as though it is not a birthday celebration.

That ^^^ is false statement ascribed to me.

I said that birthday celebration is a pegan practice meant to worship the spirit incharge of the day of ones birth and it involves self worship based on the notion that humans are gods.

A practice exclusive to pegans, a practice that no true servant of Yahweh or followers of christ indulged in.

So, your lies here is appalling. Stop it.

Develop the fear of God.
Liars will not inherit God's kingdom.

Meanwhile this is the words of Jesus you are rubbing in the mud because of your traditions:

"And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave it to them, saying, This is my body which is given to you in my behalf: keep doing this in remembrance of me. " (Luke 22:19).

Peace "

chukwudi44: ws should please stop using the calendar months names since they have pagan origins.Some of them like January are named after roman gods.They should please stop using them or they will become hypocrites

Calendar Name Origins - Names of Months

January - ME Januari(us), OE Januarius, translation of Latin Januarius, named after JANUS, god of beginnings.
February - ME OE Februarius from Latin Februarius, named for Februa, the feast of purification.
March - ME March(e), from Latin Martius, (month of) Mars.
April - ME Averil, OF Avril, Latin Aprilis mensis (month). The name may derive from the Greek goddess of love, Aphrodite.
May - ME OE Maius, Latin Maius mensis (month), from the Greek Maia, goddess of spring (growth).
June - ME Jun(e), OE Iunius, from Latin mensis Junius, named after the goddess Juno, Queen of the gods.
July - ME Julie, OE Julius, from Latin Julius (Caesar) after whom it was named in 44 BC. The original name was quintilis, fifth month in the early Roman calendar.
August - ME OE Agustus from Latin Augustus (Caesar) 8 BC. The original name was sextilis, sixth month in the early Roman calendar.
September - ME Septembre from Latin September, seventh month in the early Roman calendar
October - ME OE from Latin October, eighth month in the early Roman calendar
November - ME OE from Latin November, ninth month of the early Roman calendar, from novem NINE
December - ME Decembre from OF and Latin December, tenth month of the early Roman calendar (decem TEN + membri from mens MONTH + ri suffix)

do you used them for worship?

If you do then take note that i dont.

aletheia: The serpent's reason is not unknown neither did the fruit contain reasoning powers and God has a reason for all He does. Yes I believe the events of Genesis 3 happened as recorded.

thank you.

cyrexx: This is going to be interesting. Believers in life after death, where are you? Let's hear your views

are you guys looking for Oladegbu?

Wait, he may come round who knows?

Bidam: hmmmmn...see as logicboy dey talk truth about Jesus...just reminded me about the gal with spirit of divination who spoke dat paul and silas were men of God sent to preach the way of salvation...the demon spoke d truth..but the motive is defiled...who wants d devil testifying of JESUS anyway.

do you mind being more specific?

I hope it is not the "tith" part that have brought you here so that you will quote Luke 23?

Smh.

Logicboy03: Goshen and Truthislight,





Christ's life, death and rsssurrection all happened within the four gospels, a shame that christians are more concerned with treaching the activities of the the church in acts of apostles and letters of Paul.

i did not say that christ gospel are not part of the OT o!

I said that the "new covanant came into effect after the death of christ cus it is the blood of Jesus christ that abolished the old covanant that God made with abraham that is called the law covanant.

Logicboy03: 1) You christians are now claiming that Jesus teachings about stopping "an eye for an eye" and stopping stoning did not change the old testmanent law?

i did not say that Jesus did not teach what you said.

We are talking about "when a law comes into force".

If a constitution committee should prepare a new constitution as a book, that it is in a book does not mean that it came into force the day it was written, but on a later date in the future.

Logicboy03: 2) You would have to write a new bible to prove that Jesus death stopped tithing and not the fact that tithing was never something that Jesus did nor his disciples commanded.

I dont know what exactly you are up to because the two things you are saying are the same thing.

Logicboy03: 3) How could Jesus be under the law when his whole sermons were about explaining and tweaking to law to incorporate more love?

Jesus was born when the mosaic law was still in force.

Jesus parent took him to the temple and made the mandatory law sacrifices after his birth.

He observed the passover with is disciples after which he introduced the details of the new covanant that he used bread and wine,

"Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new convanant in my blood, which is shed for you." (Luke 22:20).
^^^
please take note of that ^^^.

please, reconcile what i said with what you are accusing me.

And try and get the sense of what is being said here.

I belief what Goshen was saying is that the history of Jesus life in the four Gospel was while the law covanant was still in force.

If you cool down and use the bible in looking into this matter you will see the reason for what he said.

He did not say that the four Gospel should be in the OT, which is a different thing from "new covanant"
peace

wiegraf: Bros, I never understand anything you say, and I've told you this before. We speak different languages. No silly rhetorical questions, what happened in the garden of eden? Do I need a PhD to get it or not?

how will you understand what i am saying when you are a rhetoric personified?

What was the essence of this below when the rationality of what the bible says was being discussed? :

wiegraf: And you talk as if god exists. Where?

with that out of context post i have to be more judicious with my time, hoping you will be more focus hence.

However, the tree was a symbol of Yahweh authority to guide human in his own best way.

As it were, between obeying Yahweh and satan Adam chosed to obey satan and as such went under the authority of satan, as a result of that Yahweh abandon Adam and his offspring as was shown by Yahweh driving them away out of Eden.

Since Adam obeyed satan, it means that Adam and his offspring are under the control of satan ever since.

That was the essence of the scripture that i had posted that shows the implication of Adam's action in Eden:

16 Do you not aknow that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves as to obey him, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, Romans 6:16
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Bearing that ^^^ universal principal in mind, Adam went under satan's control because he obeyed satan.

And as such we are still under the control/rulership of satan today.

Hence, whatever happens today, it is satan that should be called to answer and not Yahweh that had hands off right from Eden.

"And we know that we originated with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" (1 John 5:19).
.................

The means of solving the problem of all of mankind is in the coming of God's kingdom that Jesus had said we should pray for it to come:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

"Thy kingdom come".

" Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. ""

(Matthew 6:9-10).

^^^

till then that the kingdom of Yahweh will come, satan remains incharge of this world till he is removed, and the failures are that of satan.
Peace

mazaje: I will also renounce atheism. . .

lol.

Annony come oh! there are lost of prospects for you on this thread oh!

I mean, you will kill two or more birds with one stone on this thread.

gst101: Talking about scandals and i also believe this makes people become athiest.

"The historical changes of Watchtower doctrine and its current inadequacies are an excellent indication that the Governing Body are not directed by Holy Spirit. However, manyfollowers do not manifest a scholarly nature and are ambivilous to the issues of doctrine, or simply dismiss it as foretold by " brighter light ".
In such cases, Doctrine is not the way to open the Witness mind's eye. Particularly where the follower holds the Governing Bodyin high esteem, to learn of indiscretion can be a shocking awakening. This is especially so when it is in areas where the Watchtower is outspokenly critical of other religious organizations. The areas listed here are considered particularly important by active Jehovah's Witnesses and becoming aware of the duplicity shown by the leadership has been instrumental in many followers leaving since the late 1990's.
Bulgaria & Blood Transfusions
In order to gain legal recognition in Bulgaria during the 1990's, the Watchtower changed its policy on military service in 1996. It also signed a document before the European Commission on Human Rights, deceptively stating it does not sanction followers for taking blood transfusions.
Letter to Hitler
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered terribly at the hands of the Nazi's in concentration camps. The reason they were there related to the thevitriolic tirade Rutherford directed against governments and the Catholic Church. What isdisturbing is a letter sent from the Watchtower branch to Hitler asking for leniency on the basis that the Watchtower shared the principles of the German government and Hitler's feelings towards the Jews.
Malawi vs Mexico
This article covers one of the great blights on the history of Watchtower. Illogical doctrine prevented Malawian Witnesses from holding a political card, which led to the unnecessary torture and death of thousands. During the very same period of time, contradictory principles allowed Mexican Witnesses to break the law in order to obtain military service cards.
Paedophilia
The Watchtower openly criticises the Catholic Church for the scandal it faces with paedophilia, when they have been facing verysimilar issues internally. Arcane Watchtower principles that protected Witness paedophileshave resulted in the Watchtower Society paying millions of dollars in compensation claims.
Political Involvement
The Watchtower applies a different set of principles for the Organisation than its followers. Witnesses have suffered abuse for decades due to Watchtower doctrine forcing them to remain politically neutral. Yet the organisation does not follow the same set of standards, being an active participant in political rallying, and the world's commercial and the legal systems.
United Nations NGO
During the 1990's, the Watchtower applied tobe an Non-Governmental Organisation associate member of the United Nations. Thisstands in direct contravention of it's principles against political involvement and descriptions of the United Nations as the Scarlet Coloured Beast of Revelation. It only withdrew membership once caught and publicly shamed by the Guardian newspaper".

of what use is this epistle?


Are you a JW or a former JW?

That you dont like them should that make you to turned atheist.

Did you read the op at all?

Read the op and then make factual statement and stop copying and pesting whatever you see on the net.

The op was meant to show that there is God and that from his african religious back ground he has experience alot from the supernatural that it is baseless to claim that there is no God.

What is your point on this thread then.

I hope you are not chasing shadows.

gst101: @Egoho, you said i should show you a clergy who is TOTALLY clean and you will tell me his hypocritic acts? You just listen to that statement and tell me nothing is wrong with it! Do you honestly think what you have said is christian?

The fact that you are asking for a TORALLY clean clergy shows you have missed it already. You know next to nothing about the christian faith. Jesus did not come to make anybody sin free. He knows it will be a waste of time and thats why he gave us his own righteousness so that with it we can do that which ordinarily we are not able to do. You talk like you yourself are completely clean.

But i can tell you clergy who have been put right with god through faith in jesus and are doing great things in the lord's vineyard much more than you will ever do. They are: john paul II and benedict XVI.

another Roman catholic.

[quote author=Atheist:-D]If that is how you want to play I was a catholic for 2 yrs while very young. I was an Anglican 8 yrs and baptised, I was a mormon for 2 yrs and varying pentecostal churches probably 10 yrs.

So calling me a former catholic is insidious as you have chosen to neglect my other xtian backgrounds.[/quote]ok then, it is noted.

edogho: i'm on this thread and did you just tag me an atheist? Look around you and mention one clergy that is totally clean and i'll tell you his hypocritic acts. And differentiate the mentioned clergy from the pharisees in jesus's time. They are all frauds and they contribute to many people going out of God's organisation. I know of a fraudster prophet who played his deacons and ran away with their money. Don't tell me such stories,i was once a catholic and i know a lot about their atrocities.

my argument is that the belief in God goes beyond christian religion.

But most christians tuned atheist because they get disilusion by a certain statement that the books of the Bible was written by Roman catholic church which is false.

This notion is very dengeruose

gst101: there are other people who turned athiests after witnessing their elders make several changes in doctrine over a period of time. I do not blame them anyway becos anyone will definitely become deluded and begin to think 'maybe all what these elders tell us are made up'. So many faith threatning questions come into their mind and they eventually loose thje faith. What a pity!

read and update your knowledge:

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" (Romans 1:19-20).
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Stop spewing such.

Greedy people fall for cunned artist.

Greedy people say there is God because of what they will get from him.

gst101: op, i also know someone who became athiest just becos his organization predicted that something will happen sometime ago in the 70s and it did not come to pass! He said god is a liar just becos what his elders said god has said, did not happen. I know another one who just abandoned christianity becos he was disfellowshiped just becos he married someone of another faith. And they treated him like trash even though he was one of the most devoted members.

this is one of the most nonesensical statement i have ever red on NL.

Is it that you and your friend dont know the rationality for the believe in the existence of a God?

Were pegan believing in the existence of God because they red the bible or they heard of bible prophesy?

See what the bible says is the rationale for the believe in the existence of a God:

"Because that which may be known of God is manifested in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the

"creation of the world"

are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they(humans) are without excuse:" (Romans 1:19-20).
.........

I dislike empty headed people and stupid talk.

That someone is not thinking properly and made his decisions wrongly does not mean you should blame it on others.

Our brain is meant to serve us.

Was his love for God based on a selfish reward reasons?
Smh

[quote author=Atheist:-D]I am not a former catholic that is logic boy.

I am a former xtian. I have been part of different denominations.[/quote]sorry then.

I can still remember reading your post that you said you were a former catholic, that you had attended other churches does not possibly change the fact that you were a former catholic