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Zikkyy: Sorry, I said I will not be posting here again, but let me make a quick clarification so you don't go away with the wrong impression. I agreed you will not find Xmas in the bible, you will not find a command in the bible that says celebrate Xmas. That's my view.

Whether God spoke to the pope the day before Xmas was announced i don't know. Aftetall our pastors to date still claim that they talk to God on a daily basis. I am not one to condemn anybody or say It's not possible cos I no dey there. thank you..

then it is tradition of men.

Then it is an act of presumptiouseness for anyone(pope included) to add it/assume it as a form of worship for Yahweh and his son.

edogho: hello mr.gst can you send me mail so we can share knowledge on the topic you are brewing? Dimiethikan@gmail.com. I like discussing and learning at the same time. Thank you.

i have done that.

plendil: why did truthislight make that comment? I don't see anything in what Joagbaje wrote.

is it really possible that we can both see things in the same light all the times? No.

If not that i am of the view that that comment is not worth quoting i will have quoted it and brought it here and di-sect it for you to see.

What is the sense for one to say that hell fire is a fiery place of torment where the dead are burning and at the same time say it is a temporary holding place befor they are thrown into the lake of fire?

What will the lake of fire do differently?

Can you help me make the sense that i am missing.

The op had said that he will "fight the hell fire teaching" dont forget.

Or, is it not called "hell fire" again?

Educate me please.

Ymodulus: lol! o boy na jaogbaje dey talk like dis?

lol.

Yea,

"by their fruit you will know those men" Jesus had said.

Joagbaje: Who asked for your response dude? Just shut the door and waka.

dont worry, fraudstars always claim things that are not there own, that explain why you will claim to have such authority on a thread that is not your own nor was it created by you.

Keep it up pastorchris-Joagbaje

"charity begins at home"

plappville: Na waooohh oooo, which u remain for me to use na?

lol.

Ma sister, that bros tru2god come vex me no be small with that Chrismas yarn wey him come yarn for this thread.

No wary sha, next time i will remain some for you.
Peace.

Goshen360: New International Version (©1984)

Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like men sent from God.

2 Corinthians 2:17.

The English word "peddle" is the Greek word, "kapēleuō" and from the root word, kapelos which means a huckster. By definition in English, it means to be a retailer, to make money by selling anything. It means to get sordid gain by dealing in anything, to do a thing for base gain. It means to trade in the word of God for money or personal gain. It means to try to get base gain by corrupting and adulterating divine truth. A peddlers were in the habit of adulterating their commodities for the sake of gain and all these rings a bell in our days.

Apostle Paul outrightly made it clear that those who peddle the word of God for profit are so many. This we cannot overlook in our days with the end time churches. The question then goes, who are these people that peddle the word of God for profit and how do we recognize them?

Hmmm!

It is very obvious that many a "christian" he will not like this thread.

Why? Because many are into christianity not because of the love of God or christ but because of the money the hope to make.

How then will people (christians) allow this fundamental bible truth to slide down without a simple appreciation?

gst101: i think the op is a bit bias. You find other people hit catholics so hard in other anti catholic thread. If you do not see such words from anti catholics to catholics to be on the par with the strong words catolics use on non catholics, then its becos you are on the side of non catholics. But i tell you they are equally offensive!

For crying out loud, you just saw what @dekung put up there! And what the other person (cant remember his name now) put up there in page 0.

The way some catholics respond is not different from the way JW, christ embassy, winners, deeperlife respond when a controversial issue that is perculiar to their church is being raised here on NL. I am currently on a thread in religion section here and truth is light was very aggressive toward me with his first reply to my post. And the reason is i brought up some ills that take place in his congregation...things that are covered up by the authority of his watch tower organization

bottom line is, you hear nasty comments from catholics to non catholics just as you hear equally nasty comments from non catholics to catholics. Do we say every church should have their sections?

guy, what are you on?

Do you take "Jamaican vegetable"?

Why are you lying Against me?

Well, if you have become addicted to me better see a doctor o.

Imagine
lol.
Guy, watch it!

joe4christ: [size=15pt]I dont know the actual Jesus you're following, but i sincerely doubt if it's the Jesus of the bible, cause you aint producing the fruits of the spirit, atleast i cant sense it in your writings.
Then i get tempted to question who you really are, are you really a son of God who is suffering from misconsception of biblical principles, terms and meaning or an agent of darkness sent in here to decieve and harden the mind of many believers by turning their heart against God without even knowing it.
Which are you mr frosbel?
Cos i'm kinda confused right now about what to think of you! [/size]

are this ^^^ the answers to the questions he posted?
*sigh*

Reyginus: D-sage is right

who made you a judge?

Which D sage is right?

Can you come and use the bible to show me how your demonic immortality of the soul is now a bible teaching?

You should be ashamed for supporting an unscriptural teaching that support what satan had told Adam in Eden that Adam will not die while God had said Adam will die.

Immortality of the soul is unscriptural, it is a lie statement that is meant to say that man keeps on "living even after death" like satan has said.

You should better start having the fear of God and his word.

Please come and show me where the bible says the soul is "immortal" because i know where the bible says the soul is mortal.

1. The spirit = the force of life

2. the soul = the life that came to be as a result of the action of the spirit on the body.

The soul is the life of the entity sustain by the spirit like electric current sustained the light in an electric bulb, when the current goes out the light(soul) dies out, when the current comes back the light lights again.

The light does not and cannot exist independently without the current.

"His breath goes out, he return to the ground, in that very day his thoughts do perish." (Psalm 146:4).

Rich4god: Hmmmm. So you know this and when we celebrate birthday/christmas to rejoice while serving God you end up calling us pagans. SMH. Stop being myopic my dear bother. I guess you have now join the league of those that plappville is calling chop chop people.

Jesus enjoyed himself but not under the disguise of peganistic party.

Zikkyy: You talking but not saying anything. I ask you again, was the kids the issue or was it what they used the kids for? God will not be angry if I have an Xmas tree at home. He made and I can put it anywhere I like in my house just like any other plant. Don't you know our native/witch doctors use almost all the herbs/plants available for their medicine including the one you use to cook that spicy vegetable soup you love. Can you then say, its pagan and we should do away with the vegetables?

what kind of gist is this?

Zikky, you have started falling your hand, dont make people take you that did a very good work on the tith thread to start taking your post for granted with this kind of post that has little sense in it.

My 2 cent.

gst101: but do you agree with the RCC when they say they COMPILED the bible? Answer with a yes or no. I understand that sometimes, yes or no do not answer questions at least, not satisfactorily. But if you want to answer with any other word or words, then dont beat about the bush. Let your intention be plain.

stop derailling this thread dude.

advocate666: Don't bother telling annoying not to bother with me. He already knows that that he can't handle me. He who is in me is greater...

what was that! ?

Lol.

Dude! You seem to be "high" all of the times this days.
Lol.

Image123: you think it is Anony's work?

you have came to look at my trouble oh!

I was with my pop corn seated by the corner watching befor you called me out.

Annony did not.

By the way, do you know the relationship between sarah and Abraham?

Do you know how they use to marry those days? Lol.

I dont wish to go into details, how/whom did Abraham's son marry ?

^^^ that is the line i had wanted to

Bidam: @ Goshen360
i just don't understand you..sometimes u teach truth mixed with falsehood...just be careful with the cistern you are drinking from..becos there are false teachers out there...am not ur bible student so don't ask me irrelevant queshion..stick to d topic.. at least ur unbelieving friend seems to agree with u, lapping unto your heresies'

who are his unbelieving friends?

Why are you afraid to mention names?

Please state clearly who the are, thanks.

striktlymi: @Agbaje

I didn't realize you can be this funny! My sister had to ask why I was laughing. Lol!!!

Meen, it's just so funny! Not really what you posted but your delivery.

i thought i was the only one that saw the no no no sense he posted that does not even deserved a reply.

gst101: @truth and egoho, i am not catholic. i am a christian who attended catholic sec school. I dont agree with all what they say, not their core teaching though. I understand why they believe what they believe and even though they do not form my daily creed, i have no problems with them. @truth, if you have anything to say, say it and dont go about using strong words like those ones you used when you addressed me.

well then my bad if i had use strong words on you.

Like i have said, i dont have any issue with any body on this forum accept when i feel there is deception that i am aware of.
Peace

gst101: you said "most cristians turned atheist because of statements like RCC wrote the bible" well to begin with, tell me how the idea that catholics WROTE the bible, as you say, can make people atheist? Secondly, catholics or the RCC have never at any point in time claimed they wrote the bible. They only say that they, UNDER THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, COMPILED the bible and decided which book is to be in the NT and which isnt to be there. Thats a fact of history you cannot change even though you wished it werent true.

if you dont say RCC wrote the bible then i have no issue there with you.

Like you have rightly stated, i complained about the notion that RCC wrote the bible.
Peace

2good: No, your questions make your people to remain underdeveloped and live a life of abject poverty, while waiting for some imaginary god to come solve their problems for them.

NO!

That people are poor has nothing to do with the existence of God.

Stop chasing shadows and face the thread.

Abused of religion is not the fault of God but man's greed.

Am sensing in experience here.

2good: If you cannot give an evidence for your god, then stop this god, spiritual and religious propagation both in the public and on the internet. Not everybody is gullible enough to accept fairy tales by faith without asking question. Do you get it now?

stop making noise!

He said if you wish to know about his supernatural experience that he had in his african traditional religion you should get initiated. QED.

Stop making noise on the internet because you have nothing to offer.
*sigh*

musKeeto: ^^^
Ironically, Abraham did the same to save his wife. Maybe, he also wasn't a good practitioner of his religion.

this boy, be careful, i have a very big cane to spank your bumbum.
Lol.

You are making Annony's work more difficult.

ROSSIKE: No we're not.

We're talking about what SOME CLAIM TO BE God's word.

We have NO REASON AT ALL to believe that God has or had anything whatsoever to do with the bible.

Of his alleged influence on, or involvement in this book, there is not a single shred of evidence.

what is your reasons/evidence for saying this?

For starters, the bible itself claims to be God's word.

So, if you say that the claim is wrong can you give your reasons?
Peace

true2god: Guy u sum it up. They see no + side of tins at all, only -. There is no scriptural evidence dat xmas should be celebrated or not. 'Paganization' of xmas is a product of personal judgement without any scriptural evidence dat supports otherwise or not.

Did Russel celebrate xmas during his time or not? Wil he be resurrected or not (this question is for papville)?

i think i have answered this question above.

Zikkyy: I think people just want to talk for the fun of it. Christians and pagans live in the same world. God made everything for our use. It is not the use of materials that makes one pagan, it is how you use it. I.e is it used to worship Satan? is it used in a manner God dislikes? God made the trees for our use, should we now destroy or remove every trace of the Christmas tree from the planet because pagans used it? While Jews were giving bulls as burnt offerings to God, pagans were burning their bulls to Baal. Who owns the material for sacrifice, Jews or pagans?

now listen and learn about the true servant of Yahweh and what Jesus said:


"I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. " (John 17:14-15).

Better watch yourself.

true2god: The point here is dis, the founding fathers of JW, frm Russel and Rutherford, all celebrated xmas (go check ur history my sista). R u tellin me dat, according to ur present light, dat ur founding fathers will not ressurect afta 'armagedon'? And it is based on their doctrinal foundation that the present JW spring. Pls dnt be funny jooor.

those that never had of the preaching of the good news about the christ will be resurected to be taught about the christ.

That means that does that have heard and refuse/rejected it will not have same privilege since they deliberately rejected the message of truth

Again, deliberately rejecting the truth is a serious sin that have no forgiveness.

If people in the past did not have all the facts about what was happening it means that God that sees the heart knows that they dont have a wicked unrepentant heart.

God always forgive person with a clear conscience/repentant heart.

Zikkyy: You don talk am! Now we know that Jesus ransom sacrifice cleases us one time for all times, why can't we party, ehn?

chop chop guy.

Free from idols the bible says.

Rich4god: Did you see why i said that you are been selective in your judgement. You tend to believe what suits you and do away with what you feel is not in line with your believe. Now take a look at the bolded. You believe that Jesus ransom sacrifice is being applied to present day women. But why is it that we still have to go through baptism to cleanse us from Adamic sin, why didnt Jesus sacrifice apply to everyone once and for all.

"strawman"

i have got no time to west.

TroGunn: The practices have been stated since beginning of this thread:

The use of tree
The exchange of gifts on that day
Wreath (became Christmas Wreath)
Light decorations
Santa

All above were copied from pagan celebrations Saturnalia and Yule, from which Chrismas got it's date and even nickname (Yuletide).

So, here's my question again, before it's lost in distractions:

So, are you saying it's ok to pick a Sango worship festival, give it a Christian name while retaining the practices used by the Sango worshipers, right? And this, even though God expressly forbade His worshipers from copying pagan religious practices?

they will force Yahweh to accept it since they are more powerful than Yahweh.

Its a pity though.

Zikkyy: Thanks. I don't need to wait because I have been receiving in abundance

since you have already received your reward already in this system that means you are not expecting God's kingdom again and the coming kingdom of God is not for you.

"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God,
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:3,4)
............

For me when the kingdom of God comes "there will be no more death" the bible says.

Keep your Chrismas kingdom to yourself.

Zikkyy: On God's side ofcourse where do you expect I will be?

i hope you are:

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you workers of lawlessness" (Matthew 7:22-23).
.............

Make sure you dont experience that ^^^

Zikkyy: You are in Satan's world and you probably invested in education to boost your chances of surviving in it.

what?

"And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (1 John 5:19).

It is your anger against the bible^^^

Zikkyy: You are in Satan's world, you are hustling looking for job, contract/business,

the bible says that: "he that does not work neither let him eat"

Zikkyy: invests in heavy-duty prayer sessions for financial success,

is that the way you pray?

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. " (Matthew 6:9-10).
..............
Please upgrade you prayer, and not just for prosperity for material things.

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. " (Matthew 6:33).

Men, upgrade.

Zikkyy: you are in Satan's world you dey chase woman around,

i dont do that such ^^^

Zikkyy: you want to marry.

it is a commandment from God to marry.

Zikkyy: You are in Satan's world

yes, but God will soon remove satan and bring about his kingdom, do you belief that God'skingdom will come?

Zikkyy: you enter bar give yourself a treat

yes i do that once in a while, God's servants are a happy people.

Yahweh said that the sons of Israel should use the converted tith money to buy wine and alcoholic drink and rejoice while serving him.

Zikkyy: (or you rather treat yourself at home),

any one is good.

Zikkyy: it Satan's world, you want to dress nice,

God promise his people food shelter and clothing.

Zikkyy: look good (even plappville was fighting over right to use beauty/make-up accessories the other time),

this things are to be done in moderation.
No one should be too anxious about those things.

There are true servant of God that are having a hard time in this satan's world, so that should not be a yard stick for knowing who God has bless or who God loves or not.

Zikkyy: you want to ride nice cars, nice house, get yourself a nice computer or tablet

i have already address this.

Zikkyy: and post on NL it only when it comes to Christmas that you remember you are waiting for a new world

it is not only when it comes to Chrismas but i leave my life in a way that is obvious am read and waiting for God's kingdom.

Zikkyy: I hope if that new world meet you here you will be dressed just as Adam & eve were on the garden (na.ked) okay maybe you would have sown something (with fig leaves) to cover the part of the body you don't want the ladies to see

lol.
We should be awake and ready for it always for the kingdom of God that is to come.

Zikkyy: My brother stop deceiving yourself.

are you saying that the bible is deceiving us?
The bible says we should live our life in anticipation of the kingdom of God