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[quote author=i.chuka]Matt5:20..For I Say unto you,that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees,ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Verse41..And whoever shall compel thee to go a MILE,go with him TWAIN.
If our righteousness don't exceed that of any organization/fixed system we find ourselves in here on earth then,where is the fruit/proof of our christainity?.that is we(Christain) are compel to go more than a MILE(is the Law)
Christains are not surppose to PAY(10%)which is part of the law,we are obligated to GIVE(10% +)10% is the Law,but 10% + is Grace.[/quote]lol.

Get a job my friend cus you've got skills.

But dont use your skills to enslaved thos that the christ has set free from heavy load.

brainpulse: 1. You have not really defined what God's Law is and you wrongly assumed that every and all activity and God's words and ways that existed before Christ are the law and they are automatically abolished. So it will be great for you and us to highlight all the laws given by God.

Pls i Will still come back. Excuse me for a while. thanks

what exactly is your interest in the law befor christ?

Will you have been content with the laws befor christ if christ had not came?

So, if christ has come, what exactly is your interest in those OT laws?

Hmmmm!

Are you sure it is not for selfish reasons?

Just dont miss out on christ by pursuing the shadow and missing the substance.

My 2 cent.

Goshen360: First, @ Image123 and Olaadegbu,

Both of you look at this scripture starring at you in the face and tell the whole world that Matthew to John account are not part of the law (in content or context, not as per arrangement),

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

New International Version (©1984)
But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,

New Living Translation (©2007)
But when the right time came, God sent his Son, born of a woman, subject to the law.

English Standard Version (©2001)
But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, - Galatians 4:4

Second, can any of you (Image123 and Olaadegbu) show us just one single scripture AFTER calvary and ressurection where Christians are instructed to tithe

Third, like I said in my OP, am not here to debate whether tithe (even as at/of Matthew 23:23) is still crops and animal meaning it was originally so, who are those being addressed by Christ in Matthew 23:23 When does the group being addressed in Matthew 23:23 become Christian example - ONLY in tithe matters

Four, Yes, it is true that Jesus told this group, "these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone". But look at Matthew 23:23 again

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

...and tell the whole world this verse is still not a matter of the law then as at when Christ spoke and he, Christ was also born under the law, cannot break the law, otherwise he would have sinned.

sweet,

Delafruita: trolling is a profession for truthislight

truthislight = troll

Lol.

And i had thought you are my friend!

musKeeto: lol.... truthislight, wetin happen?

lol, it was not deliberate.

I have delited them.

chukwudi44: Stop cursing and produce where micheal was described as the captain of all angels? Is that too much to ask? Show me where micheal was described as the captain of all angels

we all know that a commander is one that the gives oders/instructions/lead others.

Jesus lead his angels at Rev. 12 and Rev. 1:11-18 to first battle satan in heaven and letter destroy the wicked.

A commander comes with his troop and this too have angels that follow him and the referenc is to the commander of the troop like in every rational reference to military troop the reference is to the commander but to you no, it will not be to you since it will destroy your trinity.

You can call a troop to the name of its commander and that is what happen in this revelation.

That you say No, does not change the facts.

From the passage we all know who the commander of yahweh's army is.

Your denial is for you alone and does not change anything from the truth.

Next you will present torbit. Lol.

chukwudi44: You are a very big fool and idiotic liar!! Daniel 10:13 was written in aramaic and not hebrew nor greek and that particular verse is translated arch chief angel,arch angel or chief prince depending on the bible translation.Even if I were to to deal with prince instead of angel,the phrase "one of the chief princes" clearly indicates micheal had peers who who occuppied the same strata of authourity with him.That is obviously not the case with Jesus who was higher than every created thing.

that a king have many children that are prince and princeses does that mean that all the prince are equal? No.

The most senior one will rule should the king dies.

Yahweh have cherubs and saraph as high ranking princes, but the greatest of them all is Jesus christ and he and the arch angel does exactly the same things in the bible.

So why duplicate the arch angels?

Are you saying that Jesus christ assignment from Yahweh after his faithfullness is not unique? That all other high ranking angels that never suffered what Jesus suffered will also have same privilages?

Did you see how shallow your statement and argument are?

Our lord assigment are spercial from yahweh and this are things that he has been actively participating in even befor he came to earth and he has enhance prophersies to this effect, and after he has been reveal step into this mighty role assigne to him.

All other name in heaven are to be subject to him except yahweh.

He was given more elevation after his resurrection after waiting in the right hand of his father.

Which other creature has receive such elevation that they will shear with him in this glory?

But you will tell me that this are assignment that other angels have been promised already, so what makes his assignment unique?

The promise of what angel michael will do were for the same person = Jesus.

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Boomark: If you Google Da 10:13, you will see various translations from 'bible.cc.' I use NWT and NKJV, both gave me one of the 'foremost princes and chief princes.' I also saw 'archangels' in some other translations.

When Michael rises, there are things he does. He will protect and stand for the saints at that time from satan. Christ will not do everything alone. His angels have roles they will. Michael will rise because he is mighty and he has a great role to play at that time.


Hebrew1:5
New International Version
(©1984)
For to which of the angels
did God ever say, "You are
my Son; today I have
become your Father"? Or
again, "I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son"?

New Living Translation
(©2007)
For God never said to any
angel what he said to
Jesus: "You are my Son.
Today I have become your
Father." God also said, "I
will be his Father, and he
will be my Son."

Hebrew will not accept an angel being the 'Son.' It is not my fault. We still come back to this point even after making the "shout", "voice of an archangel" and "the trumpet of God", Michaels.

as though all angels are not sons of yaweh.

The point about that Hebrew is that there is an outstanding of the sons of yahweh, the foremost of them all.

Ndipe: Angels cant be worshipped, it's unscriptural to worship Angels, so whom Joshua met and bowed down to was likely Jesus Christ.

but the same Jesus is the commander.

And michael is also the commander.

chukwudi44: . 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said,
[/b]“The Lord rebuke you!”
[b][a] 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational

animals do—will destroy them.

Obviously even the arch angel micheal acknowleged he was not the Lord yet people are here yarning thrash.

is the title lord not also applied to Yahweh?

Who is yarning the "trash" you said?

[quote author=*dhtml]Meeeen, i wonder o. See all them big big scriptures sef, sure say all these scriptures dey inside my bible so?[/quote]you dont need to let opinionated person with scriptural evidence to blind you to the evidence for.

The are just hear saying "Jesus is not" without showing why he is not.

So, a wise person weighs the evidence and draws his conclussion.

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frosbel: @ BARRISTERS


Jesus is neither GOD nor an angel.

He is quite simply the SON of GOD , the Messiah and the Christ.


I will not allow you spread error.

and what have you presented to warrant you to say that you "wount let him spraed lies"?

You are the one exposing your leck of debt in this topic since you only jump in and shout without evidence.

Maybe you want to to start a new movement for yourself.

frosbel: Wrong again, GOD created angels.

An angel cannot create angels , stop this nonsense.

you may have to read col. 1:16

chukwudi44: No one is arguing that the word arch angel means a chief angel or leader of a group of angels but rather the bone of contention here is " is micheal the only arch angel". Daniel 10:13 says no he is not the only leader we have among angels

Yes michael is the only ancangel.

But we have other high ranking angels like the cherub and sarraph, and they are also princes.

Satan also have high ranking angels that are even more powerfull than yahwehs lower angels.

Like the prince of persia and greece that held the angel messanger to daniel.

chukwudi44: No sir, the bible says micheal is only one of the arch angels.for christ sake how many times do I have to quote Daniel 10:13 for you guys or are simply been mischievious

3 But for twenty-one days the spirit prince* of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way.[/b] Then Michael, one of the archangels[b] came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia.*

Is this verse not clear enough? I tire for unaoo

thats a fraud from your rcc bible.

frosbel: Jesus was begotten as the SON of MAN , ONCE !!!

Jesus was not begotten twice.

No angel can possibly qualify to die for our sins.

Your position is seriously FLAWED .

you have not also considered when the beggoten was done.

What happened with marry was to transfer from heaven to earth.

The prophesy said that his origine is from days of long ago.

Can you tell me when did Jesus see his father doing things that he will do things the way he sees his father doing things if his life started here on earth?

When did he see his father doing things?

In fact, you are a distraction on this thread though i appreciate you alot but not on this clear bible teaching that you say that the angels are senior to Jesus in age.

Dont you know it will be unjust for what happened with regard to other "senior angels"? Loll
Thank you.

frosbel: My good friend, you know I agree with you on so many other issues, but on this one we just have to disagree.

Jesus is not an angel, read the article I posted above.

you arguement is hinge on a wrong premise that yahweh asked of which of the angels that he made a promise to? No

all the angels are sons of Yahweh
Jesus is not Michaels is the leader of the angels an only beggoten son that contlo/leads yahweh's army.

He created the angels and as such the angels are under him so he is their leader.

The "arch" shows that he is the leader and the "angel" described what he is leading
= arch angel.

He is above all angels but he leads the angels.

Is you presiden a soldier? No, but he is the commander of the armed forces.

Meawhile, Jesus and the angels are all called sons, morning stars, messenger. But he is the foremost of all of what yahwey has created.

chukwudi44: The Dan 10:13 I quoted is it not from your protestant canon? Is that verse not clear enough?

3 But for twenty-one days the spirit prince* of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael,[/b] one of the archangels came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia.*

Micheal is not the only arch angel,he is only one of the arch angels shikena

see the fraud again!

chukwudi44: Then Michael, one of the archangels [b]

this vers says "one of the foremost princes"

where did you get that your translation from?

Oh! It may be an rcc bible that dont have the fear of God that will change what the bible says at that daniel.

Sorry for you.

chukwudi44: Note:::::....gaining eternal life does not depend on knwing wether arch angÉl michael is Jesus or not,its just an observation.


Do you seriously think that if on the last day Jesus is eventually revealed to be God he will be happy with you guys? Or maybe if he is eventually discovered to be angel micheal he would be happy with the trinitarians?

Olboy better open yourd eyes and make the best decision now there is nothing like sitting on the fence here.

this a very good advice from you,
but dont you think you need this advice in view of the evidences in front of you?

Also, in view of all the lies your rcc have put forward that is blinding you and co?

chukwudi44: At least that verse makes it clear that the Lord's verse will be heard.even though an arch angels voice is mentioned micheal's name is not mentioned.As clearly seen from Daniel 10:13 micheal is not the only arch angel.although he is the only one among the arch angels to be named in the canonised scriptures

several biblical and extrabiblical books keep mentioning of seven major angels who are most likely arch angels alongside him.while there are not explicitly called arch angels,it appears there are also arch angels alongside micheal.

The point is this;The term arch angel does not necessary mean it is referring to angel micheal.Other arch angels also exist.

so you are telling us that Jesus will go and borrow an arch angels voice to be able to raise the dead at the end?

Was it a borrowed arch angels voice that Jesus used in raising up Lazarus?

No, it is His(Jesus)voice that raise Lazarus and it is him that has the arch angels voice it his him that has the commanders voice, it is his voice that the dead will hear and rise at the end.

Are you saying that an arch angels voice has more authority than that of our lord Jesus christ? Insult!

An only beggoten son, a prince needs to borrow to do the will of the king.

An arch angels voice is not more powerful than that of christ but rather it is him Jesus christ that has the commanding voice like the commanding voice that he had used in raising up lazarus.

Yes, our lord has a commanding voice an arch angels voice to raise the dead, the voice of whom all authority both in heaven and on earth has been given. A commanders voice, he is not borrowing it, but rather, it is his voice.
Peace

chukwudi44: I insist there is nothing in that verse that suggests those people were raised by micheal. I do not deny the fact that God can use micheal to accomplish such feat but there is nothing In that passage to suggest micheal did raise them.You guys are merely speculating.

your insistance is of no effect cus your word cannot superseed that of the bible.

Your words here is exactly the same like that of frosbel that says from his head that "christ never pre existed"

Such ^^^ are imaterial on a bible discussion like this but rather the facts for or against must be firmly rooted in the bible is what that matters.

Stop shouting "i insist" are you God?

chukwudi44: During the end times as clearly described in Revelation micheal was not the only angel assigned tasks.The other six other angels were also assigned major tasks.

Raising of people or person from the dead does not prove anyone is christ.God can always use anyone to achieve his goal.

is it the horn of angels that will raise people or the voice of christ?

We have an example of the voice of Jesus christ raising up Lazarus and it is the same voice that will raise people at the end.

chukwudi44: Daniel 12:1-3

New International Version (NIV)

The End Times

12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever

There is still nothing in this passage that suggest micheal was the one who raised those people from their graves.

This passage only describes what will happen during the end times.God can use anyone to achieve his aim.Peter,Paul,Ezekiel e.t.c were also used by God to raise people from the dead.Eziekiel was even used to accomplish the incredible feat of raising up dry bonesback to life but the fact remains that God simply used them.He can also use me and you

so Elija will be use now at the end of days to raise the dead abi?

You see your life?

*sigh*

that was a prophesy for the end concerning th resurrection of the dead.

If it does not make sens to you we know why.

Paul said, "if the good news we preach does not make sense to some, it is to those who are perishing"

blame you rcc for that.

chukwudi44: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

New King James Version (NKJV)

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

This bible passage in no way suggests the dead in christ were raised by the arch angel.This verse says christ will descend with the arch angel and with the sounding of trumpet.it never said the dead were raised buy the arch angel.

Even if the dead were raised by the arch angel it still dosen't proove he is Jesus since several other biblical characters including Elijah,Elisha,Peter and Paul achieved similar feats.We all know they did it with the power of God and not their own power.Elisha even raised a man from the dead while he was dead so your case holds no water

i doubt that you red the op or know what the book of daniel says about arch angel michael raising the death and puting their names in the book of life.

Rcc have really finish you.

chukwudi44: The identity of the man Joshua met was never disclosed.He was only described as the commander of the Lords army.

The revelation 12 :7 somply says micheal and his angels.There is nothing in that verse to conclude micheal is captain of all angels.There could be more than one battallion of angels

your whole life will be in dinial since you will not see that "michael with" means that the angels are michaels's control and that makes him the captain.

Liars will not inherit God's kingdom, and as such i pity for you if you will not change and become an honest person.

Liar!

chukwudi44: I have already posted daniel 10:13
Where micheal is described as one of the arch angels yet you are still claiming he is the only arch angel nawaaoo.Even if I don't push my argument that Raphael is an arch angel that verse alone proves micheal is not the only arch angel

liar like you, that place was talking about princes.

Prince of persia, prince of greece all being of the devil hindring God's angel.

But also made refernce to michael as one of the formost princes of Yahweh and not one of the arch angels.

Yes, that is true, since Yahweh also have the powerful cherubs that are befor him, but Jesus/michael is an only beggoten son.

You dirty crook liar leading people to satan the father of the lie, you most be one of his main sons with your pope as his first son.

You are a digrace to God for claiming to be a christianbut does the will of satan.

chukwudi44: Kindly compare this two scriptures
Tobit 12 :15

I am Raphael one of the seven angels who stand in the glorious presense of the Lord ready to serve him.

Rev 8:2

Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God and they were given seven trumpets.

rubbish!

Madness.

That is how satan has used your type to lead people astray with contradictry false scriptures and your claiming the bible that does not support your doctrines to be a product of rcc so that you can rubbish it.

Just imagine what you just shamelessly posted up there!

You cannot rely on the bible any longer but to resort to contradictery books, well, it is your life, do what you want with it, and also deceive those that will not stick to the bible.

But you cannot change/hide the truth forever, that is how you kill/burn people alive in the middle ages for saying the truth.

frosbel: 3 questions.

1. Why did Jesus have to pre-exist ?
2. What did he pre-exist as , an angel or the second person of the Trinity ?
3. Why is it difficult to accept the plain truth that Jesus was born as MAN by the power of GOD and according to his plan and purpose ?

we are not interested in your opinion but rather what the bible says.

Can you reward your self with everlasting life?
If no, then stick to what the bible says and drop you opinion on issues of the bible.

If you feel that christ had never pre existed, pls, show us from the bible

chukwudi44: The man in Josua 5 :14 was never described as an angel stop making things up please

she has made nothing up but rather stated the truth.

you liar twisting the bible have the mouth to tell someone to stop making things up

You should better change you ways and drop this lying you carry you and your mother RCC.

chukwudi44: The man in Josua 5 :14 was never described as an angel stop making things up please

you liar twisting the bible have the mouth to tell someone to stop making things up

You should better change you ways and drop this lying you carry you and your mother RCC.

chukwudi44: Daniel 10:13

13 But for twenty-one days the spirit prince* of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael,[/b] one of the archangels [b] came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia.*

The boldened portion makes it so evident micheal is not the only arch angel.It calls him one of the arch angels meaning there were other arch angels.

FYI the bible has 73 books and not 66.The first christian canon to be addressed by the term bible had 73 books so if you have anything other than that better look for another term to describe it but it is definitely not the bible.

The arch angel Raphael is mentioned tobit.There he decleared that he is one of the 7 angels who stand before the presense of God.There same thing is repeated by John in Revelations when he said "I saw the 7 angels who stand before the presence of God"

look at this liar!

Infact for you attempt to twist the portion of the bible that said "one of the foremost princes" to say "one of the archangels" i will call you a "lying fraud"!

This is an example of the deceit of the RCC that operate with lies.

You lie about the bible you lie about every thing.

This is how you claim th "RCC wrote the bible"

i pity your low life.