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true2god: All the long post by Barrister is to support the apologetic watch-tower of which they are trademarked with, changin doctrines yr after yr calin it 'light is gettin brighter' and an educated mind will buy dis fallacy. Tufiakwa! God forbid.

This 'arch angel michael' falacy was not even associated with their foundin fathers, either Russel or Rutherford (dat does not however exonorate them as master Bible twister to support their devilsh doctrines).

The book of Hebrew chapter one is enof to nullify all watchtower lies wrt this topic. Arch-angel is still an angel. To the Jw Jesus christ is an angel, pure and simple. And going by Jw doctrine, God did not create anything but Jesus (or arch angel michael accordong to Jw), an arch angel michael created all other things (accordin to jw). Invariably, accordin to watchtower, it was arch angel Mivhael that created angel Gabriel and all other angels. Angel Michael also created the heaven and the earth, acccordin to jw theology, since God did not create anything but the son.

I am highly disapointed dat someone, presumably informed, will be fed will lies and he wil swallow it hook, line and sinker and will even go ahead defending lies.

As i posted earlier, Jw belongs to the category of mormonism, eckanker, the grail messenger, the christian science, and some other occult group portrayin themselves as xtains.

Any organization that does not believe in the atonement of sin through the shed blood of christ, that christ is the savior of mankind from sin, that christ (not watchtower org) is the only mediator between mankind (and not 144,000 pple as taught by watchtower) and God , that all angels are commanded to worship the son (jesus, cos even men are not to worship angels, let alone angels worshipping angel). That organization is watchtower.

Anyone can continue worshiping or adoring or paying obeisance (according to new world translation) to arch angel Michael. Surely watchtower arch angel Michael is not the christian Jesus. That shows that watchtower is servin another master quite diffenrnt frm Jesus.

but the bible says they are all messengers, No?

Keep leaving in denial.

You are now God.

Hmmm! Trinity.

advocate666: So mohamed is now your trusted reference in theological matters.

when the birds learn to fly without petching then the hunter will learn to shot without missing.

Ubenedictus: have u ever thought y did God not distroy satan after his fall? The simple reason is tht satan has a purpose, God cant tempt nor be tempted satan is d instrument God uses to punish d unjust and test the just! Even as satan hate God and Gods children he still has a purpose in ur salvation. Ur true worth is reveal wen gold "passes thru fire". This isn't had to undastand.

God did not destroy satan immediate to give room for all thecontrasting statement/challenges that was made in Eden.

To give satan an opurtunity to proof that man disobedience to God will result in a better situation than being obedient.

With the failures we have seen so far, it is obvious that satan has fail in all his utterances that Adam is better off listening to him instead.

Boomark: 2Cor 11:13-14

13 For such are false
apostles, deceitful
workers, transforming
themselves into the
apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for
Satan himself is
transformed into an
angel of light.

satan can quote the scriptures more than you do and can use of it well more than you are doing now.

He shall cunningly make his followers believe he is for Christ so that when he brings up iniquity, they will certainly not know it.

I know such trick. No matter how long it takes, you will shine the light and bring forth darkness when you have already captured them.

All this man is saying is that the temptation of Christ by satan, the quote and the warnings in the bible makes no meaning cos they are all staged.

This will certainly gladden the hearts of atheists and make them laugh from ear to ear. Not knowing that the angel of darkness is at work.

guy, did you write all this?

Well, how right you are!

The guy is an abuse to scripture.

Internet has prevented us From knowing the sort of persons we are talking to.

Thanks.

Boomark: The Lord rebuke you!

advocate666/777.

o! You also saw it?

good for you.

obadiah777: SATAN COMES IN MANY FORMS TROUGH PEOPLE.

yea, this is true. Lol

watch youself.

obadiah777: LOL YOU ERR NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES. YOU ARE SPEAKING ABOUT THE BOOK OF REVELATION CHAPTER 12 VS 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. <<< THE GREAT DRAGON WHICH WAS CAST OUT WAS THE ANCIENT ROMAN EMPIRE AND BEING CAST OUT OF HEAVEN MEANS THEY WERE CAST OUT OF RULERSHIP. THIS HAPPENED AROUND 180 AD WHEN THE ROMAN EMPIRE WAS KICKED OUT OF RULERSHIP AND CONTROL OF THE WORLD BY AN ISRAELITE ( NEGRO ) GENERAL NAMED SEPTEMIUS SEVERUS. THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS SO THAT THEY COULD SPREAD THE GOSPEL TO THE GENTILES ( THE PROVERBIAL TWO OLIVE TREES BEFORE THE BEAST ). AND THEN OFFER THE GENTILES A CHANCE AT SALVATION ( ROMANS 11 VS 11 ).

satan is even using some people in this forum.

Even satan himself quoted the bible.

Ubenedictus: becos b4 now pedophilia was considered a phychological problem that can be treated with therapy, the said priest went 4 therapy and were certified to be cured, the phychologist also gave advise that the said priest b transfered at intervals, d bishops didnt just decide to be shifting accused priest up and down i think wekipedia answered dis kwesun well oh! U want to use the victim card? Hahaha, becos free said d wt made false prophesy so u say d cc bishops didnt handle pedophilia well. Do two wrongs make a right?

the bible clearly said that such kind of people should be disfellowshiped but your RCC disregarded the bible as usual and ended up committing that much attrocities to later come after the damage has been done to give "medicine after death" thinking they are then following the bible.

leave tradition and follow the bible always.

Boomark: @barristers

Why did Oahray have run because of chukwudi44?

what do you mean by this ^^^

advocate666: How did you come about this conclusion?

Note ,

the word was: "the day you eat from the fruit you will surely(positively) die"

so, if he had continued without eating the fruit he will not had died.

Again, :

the word was:

"have in subjection the fish, birds, and animal and "SUBDUE" it" note, "subdue"

Adam was to perpetually subdue (control) all creation, will he continue to control all of creation at death? No.

He was to stay alive to be able to subdue them continually.

Since man dies, that is why the word "subdue" was not repeated to Noah after the flood though almost all the statement directed at Adam was repeated to him, but the word "subdue" was removed since Noah will not live forever like Adam was supposed to have lived.

So,
Adam was supposed to live forever had he not disobeyed.

advocate666: I thought your point of asking the question was to determine if I was a real or fake Satanist. LOL

Anyway, Satanism starts first and foremost with the rejection of ignorance. Reducing Satanism to a "do as you please" philosophy is a myopic view. "Do as you please" is one of the consequences of Satanism. Pleasure is a gift from Satan. You need knowledge first help you find that which gives you pleasure.
Adam and Eve had inside of them the existence of pleasure of sleeping with each other but they did know know it. The knowledge came after they had obeyed Satan, acquired and ate the fruit of knowledge. So you see, their sexual pleasure was a consequence of their Satanism, not the ultimate authority.

"be fruitful and become many and fill the earth"

^^^
how were they supposed to do this if they were not to have sex and the fruit was the causative for sex?

Were the animal they were observing not having sex as it were for them to also see?
*sigh*

advocate666: No man. I did not contradict my Master. Neither did He lie as you guys accuse him of.

It is like if a doctor wants to inject you and you told the doctor that you heard that that type of injection kills people and the doctor tell you that i'ts a lie, that you won't die. Will you say that the doctor promised you everlasting life?

Nowhere in Genesis did god promise eve everlasting life. He said they will die if they eat it. NOT they will live forever unless they eat it.

^^^
now i know you learnt well from your master, and the only thing you learnt well from him is how to tell lies and deceit.

"He is the father of the lies".

Like father like son.

Was Adam supposed to die had he not eaten the fruit? No.

Continue being deceived, your folly.

And dont forget that God that made the statement does not live on planet earth that revolves round the sun to create day and night that is a relative thing depending on what part of the earth you are.

So, what you call day is not affecting God.

Day is relative.

Besides, he sees both those in "day" and those at "night"

so, God means of counting of time is different from that of human that makes use of the sun in our solar system.

God say by my own time, a day = 1000yrs.

Adam lived 930yrs, less than a day to God that made the statement.

Psalm 90:4 and 2peter 3:8

am not deceived like you.

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but muhamed who lived close to the period that Jesus walk the earth says he was a true prophet, but you and co that live 1600 years later said that Jesus is fictitious who is supposed to be insane here?

Just asking.

"Who the gods want to kill they will first make them mad"

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Delafruita: definitely fictitious

with your muslim background i know it is muhamed that will not be a fictititious character, however muhamed said we should listing to this fictitious character called Jesus christ, was he insane?

If muhamed was not insane is it you that is insane? Who knows!

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Joagbaje: Yes , I still stand by that thread , the law was for the Jews and the law was abolished.



We don't tithe because the law says so. We tithe because it's a spiritual principle . These principles exist in the law , before the law and after the law. Spiritual principles are forever . Prayer , fasting, worship, justice, mercy, honoring your father, tithing , offering, etc are principles in God . They are man's response to a God.



Let me ask you two questions .

Honoring your father was a law right? Is it done away in the new testament ?

Thou shall not commit murder was a Jewish law, is it done away in the new testament?
Thanks

so if am getting you correctly, a compulsory paying of 10% of your money to a pastor/church is a spiritual principle?

What part of love of man does it fulfill?

It is only dead head that you can deceive with that to part with their money (compulsory 10%)

it is really a pity that you dont know what spiritual things are.

You are like esau that sold his birth right(spiritual thing) because of red stew(physical things = tith) and lost out on God's blessing, in this instance God'skingdom.

ijawkid: I wanted OLA to be humble like the apostle paul and every other 1st century christian....

This is what paul who had done everything for the GOODnews said..if only OLA was a quater of paul his statement wouldn't have cracked me up....::::::
These are pauls words @ phillipians 3:11-14:::::::


Philippians 3:11–14
11 and so, somehow, attaining to the
resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or
have already arrived at my goal,l but I press
on to take holdm of that for which Christ
Jesus took hold of me.n 13 Brothers and
sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have
taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting
what is behind and straining toward what is
ahead, 14 I press onp toward the goal to win
the prizeq for which God has calledr me
heavenward in Christ Jesus.
______________________________

Paul knew that it was only when he endured right to the end faithfully that his name or his chances of survival into the heavens would be sure......

OLA's statement totally displays PRIDE.....and like I said for the fact he supports isreal in its blood shed in recent times shows he himself isn't ready for heaven.............

You can hear these words also in zephaniah 2:3....

##King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth,
which have wrought his judgment; seek
righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye
shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.


##GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Search for the LORD, all you humble people in
the land who carry out his justice. Search for
what is right. Search for humility. Maybe you
will find shelter on the day of the LORD's
anger.
____________________________
You see the use of the word ""MAYBE""??



Our gaining eternal life can only be a reality when we ""endure "" to the end not when we are presumptuous......

this men are noise makers.

Thinking that the undeserved kindness of our lord(Jesus christ) is a means for dishonest gain.

The conscience of some people are dead as can be seen by the exploitation of people that is going on in the name of God.

Some people will really have to reward themselves this heaven, afteral christ said he will tell some people :
"get away from me i never knew you"

plaetton: Excellent piece.

Thanks for opening my eyes to Deuteronomy 32: 8-12.

lol

why will you not say thanks to your pal, cus you have posted the same thing befor.

See how pety your line of reasoning is?

Upgrade guy.

alexleo: The bible made it clear that hell is place of torment and heaven a place of rest. If somebody tells me he had an experience of hell and his story about it is that of torment as the bible describes it what is not biblical about it? It will only be unbiblical if somebody tells me that he experienced hell and that it is a place of comfort and joy. And i said when this testimony is coming from thousands and thousands of people in various parts of the world. People of different churches, people of different religious background. People of different cultural background, then there is need for him to pray more about it for God's guidance. What is force about it? I didnt even say he must consider what i said and do it.
Friend, the worst thing that can happen to any human being is for him to believe that when he dies evnerything ends in the grave only for him to discover when he dies that he was wrong in his believe. Also if a sinner believes that he wont burn forever in the lake of fire only for him to discover that he will actually burn forever. Eternity is a place all of us will experience indvidually. Nobody will experience any side of it for another person so whats the need forcing somebody? We are just discussing this things to help ourselves in the heavenly race. I have nothing to lose in another person's stand about it. I know the message of hell or eternal torment is quite a scary one that human beings would like to avoid or make it look somehow bearable but i'd rather believe it as scary and horrible as it is than believe a simplified version of it.






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but Jesus went to HELL

newcreatio: So, what is the bottomline of all that has been said here?
Let me surmise it like this, and it is true:
1. Tithe is not required in the NT, in the NT what is required is cheerful giving. Call it any name Tithe, Lithe, Bithe,give it cheerfully.
2. Not tithing is NOT a SIN. But our indoctrination has made it so so difficult to be able to properly divide the Word of Truth. It is not our fault because by the abuse of the law of repetition we have all being programmed in such a way that we don't have clearly defined belief system. As long as you are a part of an organized church order, you are in deep shit on this topic, you have no choice than to be an apologetic. Sadly I am too.
3. In the NT everything operates by FAITH, and some ACTIONS. Faith can bring ANYTHING alive, tithe principles inclusive.
4. I tithe. The difference with you and me is, I am not in bondage to it. If I miss it, I don't LEGALLY kill myself for it. God is in heaven watching all our comical acts, movies, dramas, comedy, tragedy, seasonal, reality shows, wondering if he should ever make that statement again, "it repented the Lord that he made man".

must you comment?

free123: how can u see d value when u have been blindfolded by JW sect? did u truncate d book of Hebrews from ur bible as u did to other verses that expose ur falsehood? can u for once think outside what u have been fed in JW? Is there any where in d bible that Jesus is called Angel Michael? Is there anywhere that angels are told to worship Jesus? Is Jesus called God in ur own bible? Did Michael create d universe? do u worship angels? what does d bible say about worshipping angels?

if God Almighty is our Saviour and Jesus also our Saviour - showing their oneness; what made u leave this issue to stick to calling Jesus angel Michael because He will be coming with an arch angels voice? Is Michael d only arch angel?

In fact joining issues with u is an effort in futility.

^^^
did you read this thread from the start?

Hebrews out of context issue again.

But satan is an angel but is called "the God of this world"(system of things) at 2cor. 4:4.

Even men are also refered to as a god in the bible.

The word god is a title that is given to entity that receives worshipful honour.

Even if you worship a stone it will automatically attain the title God.

This are issues that have been addressed already on this thread, go read it up and fault it if you want and come back then we can give a reply.

I cant be going in circles.

Logicboy03: Yes, of atheist threads

well, some of their thread is like a train with a break failure.

^^^

hazard!!!

Goshen360: Also, the much neglected verse JUST LIKE the "commandment to take tithe" is INSIDE the law, so also is "those who have the commandment, Levites" also paid tithe IN THE ACT of Abraham (Hebrews 7:9-10). When scripture says the law is abolished, set aside, disannulled (verse 18-19) and the law changed due to change in priesthood (verse 12), it means the entire law is set aside including all its regulations, sacrifices and commandment to take tithes because it's all inclusive package in the law.

Verse 9-10 also places the act of levites paying tithe in the act of Abraham and disannulled the law, the act of Abraham is also disannulled because the argument is the levites were still IN THE LIONS OF ABRAHAM when he gave tithes to Abraham. By one man all sinned and by one man all is made righteous. If we all sinned by Adam and in Christ, we are all made righteous, it simply means we have nothing in Adam anymore.

leave them, since they dont accept the principle of christ redemption of Adam sins as used for the tith it means that they also reject the redemption of christ "through one man"

greed = blindness

@Goshen360

hide your address o!

Tithers can assasinate you o!

This bros G get sense o!

See how him they use Joagbaje hand by force dey preach tith to stop. Lol.

image go soon come cry foul.

That christ collected tith! (image = money)
lol

free123: how can u see d value when u have been blindfolded by JW sect? did u truncate d book of Hebrews from ur bible as u did to other verses that expose ur falsehood? can u for once think outside what u have been fed in JW? Is there any where in d bible that Jesus is called Angel Michael? Is there anywhere that angels are told to worship Jesus? Is Jesus called God in ur own bible? Did Michael create d universe? do u worship angels? what does d bible say about worshipping angels?

if God Almighty is our Saviour and Jesus also our Saviour - showing their oneness; what made u leave this issue to stick to calling Jesus angel Michael because He will be coming with an arch angels voice? Is Michael d only arch angel?

In fact joining issues with u is an effort in futility.

^^^
did you read this thread from the start?

Hebrews out of context issue again.

But satan is an angel but is called "the God of this world"(system of things) at 2cor. 4:4.

Even men are also refered to as a god in the bible.

The word god is a title that is given to entity that receives worshipful honour.

Even if you worship a stone it will automatically attain the title God.

This are issues that have been addressed already on this thread, go read it up and fault it if you want and come back then we can give a reply.

I cant be going in circles.

true2god: No one is havin any pain here. No one will either buy ur Jesus christ the angel Michael idea from ur watchtower magazine, not from the Bible.

Think for ursef once and stop dependin on evry hand-out given to u by JW, whether true or false. Its a pity that if Jw tomorrow tells u dat Jesus is no longer angel michael but someone else u will equally change belief.

Jw as a sect is satanic who comes in sheep clothing but is a ravellin wolve and its unfortunate u'v gone too deep to see anythin wrong with a false xtain cult.

Hav u seen watchtower magazine criticizng the church of the latter-day saint (mormonism), the grail, eckancker? No. They all belong to the same cult but in a slightly differnt dimension.

I'm not lettin u understand the dangers in Jw, cos u hav had enof exposure on it, but for others who might come across this thread as a novice in their activity. JW is not a xtain organization but a cult hidin under the umbrella of xtainity.

how can we take you seriously when you dont even know what the bible says on issues?

You just said some post ago that you will judge archangel michael that drove God's enemy satan away from heaven. Rev. 12:7

you dont know your left from your right.

Read your bible.

This is a bible discuss.

How can you be able to help others when you dont know you left from your right?

Am tired of this circle of childs play with you.

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free123: how can u see d value when u have been blindfolded by JW sect? did u truncate d book of Hebrews from ur bible as u did to other verses that expose ur falsehood? can u for once think outside what u have been fed in JW? Is there any where in d bible that Jesus is called Angel Michael? Is there anywhere that angels are told to worship Jesus? Is Jesus called God in ur own bible? Did Michael create d universe? do u worship angels? what does d bible say about worshipping angels?

if God Almighty is our Saviour and Jesus also our Saviour - showing their oneness; what made u leave this issue to stick to calling Jesus angel Michael because He will be coming with an arch angels voice? Is Michael d only arch angel?

In fact joining issues with u is an effort in futility.

^^^
did you read this thread from the start?

Hebrews out of context issue again.

But satan is an angel but is called "the God of this world"(system of things) at 2cor. 4:4.

Even men are also refered to as a god in the bible.

The word god is a title that is given to entity that receives worshipful honour.

Even if you worship a stone it will automatically attain the title God.

This are issues that have been addressed already on this thread, go read it up and fault it if you want and come back then we can give a reply.

I cant be going in circles.