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Logicboy03: So 64% of Japanese people are satanist fools because they dont believe in God? How you look at your country with ALUU beatings and then look at the 2nd most peaceful country in the world (Japan) and not die of contradiction?

good questions.

God STOP paul in his missionary from going to asia at certain point saying it is the seat of satan.

But today we have alot of asians believing in Yahweh.

Besides, Jesus did not say that it is the broad way(wide road) that leads to life but the narrow cramp road.

Populations or numbers are insignificant,
Cus God can turn stones to serve him.

advocate666: Unbelievable, eh? yet you use it to support your points.

Leaving the increduility of the story aside, let's look at what happened there. God threatened eve not to eat fruit or else die. Satan told eve that if she ate fruit, she will gain understanding of her world. Eve ate fruit and gained knowledge of herself and her surrounding. So Satan was NOT lying. No temptation: Eve wanted to eat fruit. Adam wanted to eat fruit.
Instead of thanking Satan for shinning their eyes, mankind is blaming Him. However, you cannot hide the truth forever.

^^^
Good campaign for satan.

We all have freewill.

Can satan give everlasting life?

Logicboy03: Its another religion. I want to do things for doing sake not because I idolize some guy

but you belive the story of satan in the bible that he is bad an as such he exist but that of Yahweh you said he does not exist, you see your life?

Do you know we will not be here in this condition without what that happened with those two people?

You cant take own and leave the other.

That we live in an age that satan show himself to his followers(the real satanist church and churches) does not mean that Yaweh does not exist.

inurmind: I like u. U seem to be a very fair being.
To whoever is reading this, know that whether u are a theist or atheist, if u are always biased, u will always be a blind warrior.

you have not shown what is wrong with being a satanis.

So, what is wrong with it since satan does not exist?

Logicboy03: You christians that are confused about who Satan is? If I ask 3 different Jehovah's witnesses who Satan is, they would give me 3 different answere.

you serve satan intent very well.

Satan hides his identity to lead people to say he does not exist.

You are already serving his purpose and that is why the bible calls those that say there is No God "FOOLs" since they have already been deceived by satan's tricks.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Funny enough, I agree with you. I have been through the churchgoer to atheist to satanist phase before God saved me. Atheism if followed logically leads straight to satanism[/quote]true, but too much long rope.

Remain an atheist and you lose God's kingdom at the end of the day.

It is different when one have a problem with "religion" and when one comes out to plainly state that "there is no God"
*smh*

[quote author=*Kails*]So not true OP.
I am monothiestic.. For the record,
But i can say on behalf of most athiest, they do not believe in God or a devil. They are the "show me and i will believe it " kind of ppl. Most are simply on a journey so to speak and just want answers.

Lets stop assuming that because ppl do not believe what we do that they are evil.[/quote]you have a point though.

But that is for those that are asking question in other to learn, but not for those that are determined to refute the existance of God.

Some atheist are NEVER in it to learn.

Logicboy03: Satan that doesnt exist?

so, what is wrong with being a satanist?

Logicboy03: I actually prefer satanists to christians but I cant be a satanist

Logicboy03: It makes no difference. I dont believe in anything spiritual. I actually prefer satanists to christians but I cant be a satanist

So, what is wrong with satanist if not what the bible says about satan?

Did you come to know about satan in your dream?

ijawkid: You ""prefer"" at least means you still believe that there are invincible spirits.....

If you would prefer satanism(but wouldn't still want to be part of it), then why did you leave God simply because to you,you felt there was no material evidence to prove his existence.....??.....

liar!
Logicboy below

Logicboy03: @ bold.


It makes no FREAKING sense

hypocrisy!

Logicboy03: It makes no difference. I dont believe in anything spiritual. I actually prefer satanists to christians but I cant be a satanist

there is no neutral ground Brooo!

Its either you do what Yahweh says or you use your brain and do exactly like satan said eve will do, "decide for one self"

and! No neutral ground.

It either you obey or you disobey.

Ignorance is no excuse.

advocate666: They just don't know it.

Satan's greatest gift to mankind is the gift of knowledge which he gave to us through Eve. When people gain knowledge, they find out that godly stories are bullcrap so they turn to atheism. This atheism fulfills the wish of Satan.
Although Satan would like everyone to bow down and worship him, this is however not his priority and unlike god, will not punish you if you don't acknowledge him. What gives him most pleasure is seeing children of men gaining more knowledge everyday and freedom from the godly oppressors and doom preachers.
Although some atheists might deny this assertion, it doesn't matter as He is not bothered. If however you take a step further from Atheism and bow down and worship the true Master, upon your knowledge will be added wealth, power, pleasure, health, happiness etc.

hahaha. Lol. ^^^

*smh*

true talk!!!

Ignorance is no excuse.

frosbel: Sorry , but this does not prove anything.

There is a clear difference between the angel and Jesus.

Jesus is not an angel , btw.

maybe we have a divid and rule arrangement in heaven, where Jesus have his own angels and arch-angel michael have his own angels and satan also have his own angels while in heaven.

If Yahweh's angels are united serving Yahweh then we know that there is NO divide and rule and they will all have a common leader.

Unless the bible is contradictory and says that Jesus will do things that had already been assign to arch-angel michael then we dont really know who to look to to stand up for God's people at the end of days.

Again, We dont really know if it is arch-angel michael or the lord Jesus that will call for the resurrection of faithful servant of Yahweh, since that task has already been given to arch-angel michael long long time ago and we know that Yahweh cannot lie.

This and others beg for answers since Yahweh Always inform his servant of his intention.

There are too many duplication of responsibility and we are to believe that Yahweh is confuse because of someone personal sentiment? No, that is impossible.

It is those that dont yield to scriptural evidence that has to explain how come they know more than Yahweh, the owner of the bible that repeated the resposibilty of Archangel michael to Jesus after Jesus has been reveal as the masaiah.

frosbel: Sorry , but this does not prove anything.

There is a clear difference between the angel and Jesus.

Jesus is not an angel , btw.

fortunately we all have eyes and can read.

salt 1: Truthislight, where is the passage in the book of Hebrews?
Many of the OT laws were not done away by Jesus: He raised the standard higher. Check out His definitions of adultery, murder, and retaliation.
Sometimes when people don't pay tithes to God, they pay it some where else.

you did not give reason why you people doNT do animal sacrifice again, abi do you? Pls explain.

About Hebrews 7, you really meant you red it but did not get it?

Try again here :

"And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:" (Hebrews 7:5).
"And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth." (Hebrews 7:8..
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"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).
^^^
maybe you have a command to tith in the NT like it was in the OT.

And in the NT men that die still collect tith like the levi that do die.

And it is a must that you keep performing animal sacrifice because you can not keep part of the law and leave. Such is the reason for a curse.

If you dont do animal sacrifice you have to give a reason also here if you are a honest person.
Peace.

Anyigala: No need to do that, as a Catholic, its quite shocking and disturbing that you have no clue what the Church you claim to belong to believe and teaches. I suggest that you should visit the websites posted earlier for your answers.

why no need?

Are you afraid that he will set a lot of people free?

Are you not tired of making atheist out of people that should have been a servant of God and end up saying that it is God that did not "destined them" to be saved?

Is it today that he became a catholic?
I have debated with him many times in this forum.

But it is today that you are sending him links to read, what have the church been feeding him all this while?

What if he had kept quite and became an atheist or an agnostic like others.

What have you guys done to help logic boy, calloti, and musqitto to mention but a few?

You and co are a disgrace to God and man.

Anyigala: Keep them coming Mr, I think you have a total of 44 of them.
I strongly doubt if you are a Catholic Christian as you claimed. For if you are, you should know that all you have written so far are groundless. All these claims have been written and recycled over and over. I must responded to them on nairaland more than once. Since you claim to be Catholic, why don't you read "Catholicism and fundamentalism" by Karl Keaten or "Why Catholics are right" by Michael Coren. They have answer to all your questions and will even explain to you the origin of the book you are getting all the stuff you are writing here from. You May also want read "Rome Sweet Rome" by Scot Hahn, "Crossing the Tiber" by Steve Ray and "upon this rock" also by Steve Ray. These two men are just two of many and highly intelligent Protestant/anti catholic priests who asked all these question and in search of truth couldn't ignore and mock Catholic Church's claim and one by one eventually come back home.
I don't have time to start debating your lists one by one, the time it took you to find these spurious allegations on the net or read the anti catholic books you copied them from, you could easily have found the answers on hundreds of Catholic blogs and websites if you are genuinely seeking answers.

and those your quotation is from which bible?

See them?

They dont based anything from the bible but rather philosophy of men and tradition.

When they want to claim, that is when you see them quote: " on this rock i will build my church" = peter, lies !

Christianity indeed!
*sigh*

Obi1kenobi: i am agnostic but an ex - practising Catholic.

This is simply for the fact the Catholic church may see the bible as a foundational guide for the faith but not the sole building block of it and I find this view rational. It's somewhat naive to consider a human contraption like the bible the sole christian guide. It's all about faith because if you believe some of the ramblings from Paul or Peter (who were recorded to even be at loggerheads with each other), there's no logical reason you couldn't do the same for a Papal declaration seeing as they often claim them to be divinely inspired too. This is how church traditions like those concerning Mary's intercessory role came about. Faith, and not the Bible, is the foundation of christian belief.

^^^
still the same lies that the RCC taught you and turning people to atheist/agnostic



the NT is a writing by christ apostles and not a product of RCC.

The apostles wrote letters and taught the christians what and how to follow in their service to God/faith and this books had there names, and the early 1century congregation knew the writers that sent them the books
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See some sample of the apostles letters by their own mouth in the bible

peter:
1.

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;" (2 Peter 3:15).

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness." (2 Peter 3:16-17).
(note: his epistle)

Paul:
2. "The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write." (2 Thessalonians 3:17).

(note: every epistle)

3. "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." (2 Thessalonians 2:15).
(note: our epistle)

4. "And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus. The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments." (2 Timothy 4:12-13).

5. "Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction." (2 Corinthians 13:10).

6. "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:" (1 Corinthians 5:9).
(note: his epistle)

7. "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." (1 Corinthians 5:11).
(note: I have written unto you)

8. "Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not." (Galatians 1:20).
( I write unto you,)

9. "How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)" (Ephesians 3:3-4).

(note: as I wrote afore in few words,)

Congregations to exchange letters :

10. "And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea." (Colossians 4:16).

This are just few letters from the apostles not to talk of revelation and others that they the apostles wrote.

^^^
compare that with what the catholics church has taught you and you come to believe to become an agnostics.

Therein lies the danger of the satanic act of saying that the NT is a product of the roman catholic church.

Satan is very wise and smart indeed.

Dr young: I pray through Jesus and believe in love your neighbour. But you do not get to decide what is satanic or not cos you are not the great judge. Leave the catholics alone. Meanwhile do you believe everything in the bible?

yes i believe every thing in the bible!

italo: @ Truthislight,

The early Church was the Catholic Church so all the apostles were Catholic. It was only to differentiate the Church from some heretics also calling themselves "church" (as we have today) that they started using the word "Catholic" to distinguish. So the Church wrote the NT, that's why they had the authority to compile and arrange the Bible. There were many books that the Catholic Church did not include in the NT. Why would they have the authority to choose which is scripture and which is not if they didn't write scripture?

The books of Mark and Luke nowhere state that Mark and Luke were the authors or that they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. How do you then know this? Because the Catholic Church told you. Why do you believe them? Because the Church is infallible. Why is it infallible? Because it is guided by the Holy Spirit so cannot teach error.

desperation!

Is the word Catholic in the bible?

What has that to do with the apostles?

Keep deceiving yourself.

There is nothing that RCC will not do to keep people in bondage and blind them to the truth of God's word as contained in the bible by dilutting its efficacy.

The NT are the words and writtings of the apostles, what has that to do with RCC "gave us the NT" (bible) ?
*sigh*

keep deceiving your self.

salt 1: I am really struggling to understand you. The quotation I used are the direct words of Jesus saying that in addition to paying tithes, you shouldn't forget justice and mercy. So how is that old testament?

Jesus simply made a statement on what was acceptable in the old covanant and does not mean that christians operate by the rule/law of the old covanant.

At the book of Hebrews 7, Tithing was Brought to a stop.

Besides, christians are not under the "law" of the Abrahamic covanant and Tithing was part of it.

If you take out Tithing from the law why leave behind animal sacrifice?

Logicboy03: Lol......many christains dont agree with your version of hell

it has nothing to do with what people think but what is consistent with the scriptures.

salt 1: Tithing not for Christians? Of course we pay tithes.
Matt 23: 23
Woe unto you.......for ye pay tithe......and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy,and faith. these ought ye to have done, and NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE. This means that in addition to pursuing law, judgement, mercy and truth, you do not omit paying tithes.
Tithing and offering is God's plan of financing the church: taking care of the Levites (ministers of religion), buying vehicles for evangelism, PA equipment, gen sets and other things needed for the propagation of the gospel including taking care of the poor, needy, widows and orphans

Tithing is not for christians.

What you quoted up there is not an instruction to pay tith among christians.

Tithing is an old covanant thing the scripture you quoted is not a command for the new covanant christians to pay tith.

Beside, the statement was made under the old covanant and it was the blood of christ that kick started the new covanant.

Tithing command is not a christian thing.

musKeeto: truthislight.. lol..

[s]but seriously, u need to work on ur double posting.. [/s]

ok thanks.

frosbel: and about Micheal

"12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: " - Daniel 12:1

Micheal apears to be a warrior angel and is probably the head of all angels.

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." (Revelation 19:11-13).

"And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (Revelation 19:14-16).

"And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great." (Revelation 19:17-18).

Now note the other names of this angel of war:

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (Revelation 19:14-16).


and his name is called "The Word of God." (Revelation 19:11-13).

This ^^^ should make it simple for you to know who the angel of war is and that has been standing up for God's people.
Peace

frosbel: and about Micheal

"12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: " - Daniel 12:1

Micheal apears to be a warrior angel and is probably the head of all angels.

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." (Revelation 19:11-13).

"And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (Revelation 19:14-16).

"And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great." (Revelation 19:17-18).

Now note the other names of this angel of war:

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (Revelation 19:14-16).


and his name is called "The Word of God." (Revelation 19:11-13).

This should make it simple for you to know who the angel of war is and that has been standing up for God's people.
Peace

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Ubenedictus: Hahaha, so what happened to d angel wen d human Jesus died.

there is a difference between having everlasting life and immortality.

The angels have everlasting life.

Jesus was the first to be given immortality after being resurected to heaven after a faithful service here on earth.

Everlasting life is sustain by Yahweh and can be taken back.

Adam had everlasting life and lost it when he disobeying.

"There shall be no more thence (dying as an infant) an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall die as a mere boy" (Isaiah 65:20).

^^^ people have everlasting life dying at 100yrs is as a "mere boy"(still very young)

angels have everlasting life.

Ubenedictus: what about scripture ref. to show us that the "overcomer" is caught up to the throne of God. Besides d post u quoted doesnt have a "conclusion" i said "pls shed more light" does that sound like a conclusion?
Ok, the point u are making is that d city of God yet to come gave birth to an overcomer who was caught up to God's throne (i'm waiting 4 d remaining ref.)
thanks

since this is a sybolic statement,
the woman taken to the wilderness means that the woman and her child were taken to a place where the dragon cannot harm them.

The heavenly Jeruselam that is Yahweh heavenly organization is the source(mother) that produce the new Jerusalem that christ and others that conquer will join him christ to rule the nations with a rod of iron.

This child is the government that will over throw satan govenment that is ruling the earth right now and as such satan is determine to destroy it.

This new Jerusalem is coming down from heavenly Jeruselam (the mother/woman)

it is this same new Jerusalem that Jesus said we should pray: thy kingdom come" and christ is the king.

The term spiritual is Israel Is a reference to the royal priest hood and co rulers with CHRIST.

They are bought from among mankind to rule with christ.

This are the formation of the rulers:

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4).

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6).

since this are to rule and judge it means their are other set of people that they will rule and judge over.

Ubenedictus: and i m calm as water was my reply, only to recieve ur bags of insult

you mean this?

Logicboy03: Not really, you are as excited as a catholic priest in a boys changing room

lol.

Ubenedictus: here comes the insultive logicboy!
Thank 4 d insult.

hahaha, it was a very funny statement to me!

Logicboy03: Not really, you are as excited as a catholic priest in a boys changing room

Logicboy03: Not really, you are as excited as a catholic priest in a boys changing room

this is funny my friend!

Its possible you are talking from experience knowing you to be a former RCC

Logicboy03: Not really, you are as excited as a catholic priest in a boys changing room

this is funny my friend!

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