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Ubenedictus: there is no contradiction in the deposit of faith, no contradiction in d tradition handed by mouth and the tradition handed by epistle.
I repeat there is no contradiction in the word of God, no contradiction between the tradition of mouth and the tradition of epistle. It is one word of God delivered thru words and epistle and i repeat for the third time it doesnt contradict.
Paul made it clear that the christian must accept both the tradition delivered by mouth and that delivered by epistle. One who accepts one and ignores the other is not following the word of God. That is why i rely in the word of God for doctrine and that word was delivered thru the apostle by word and epistle.
The so-called contradiction u seem to see is a figment of your imagination, it doesnt exist in reality.

plappville: This is pure ignorance and pride. He has first refuse to here out @Oahray, pressing to prove he love Jesus more than anyone does by ending up in errors.

alexleo: The issue i raised here is something we have been discussing here openly so i dont understand what you mean by i shouldnt advice openly. The advice is not for Frosbel's benefit only but also for those who are towing that line of thought. I personally called Frosbel because in my own view he appears quite sincere in following the bible. Some others dont believe hell after death just because they are afraid of it and wants to wish it away but frosbel is just being sincere thats why am pointing this out to him so that he prays for God's guidance.

obadiah777: THE LORD UNLEASHES SATAN IN THE WORLD TO WALK UP AND DOWN AND TO AND FRO IN IT SO AS TO SEEK OUT THOSE WHO FORBEAR. THERE ARE TWO CAMPS OF PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD. THOSE WHO HEAR THE WORD AND THOSE WHO FORBEAR THE WORD. SATANS PURPOSE IS AGAINST THOSE WHO FORBEAR.

ZECHARIAH 1 VS 10 And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth << LORD UNLEASHING SATAN TO WALK TO AND FRO THE EARTH

JOB 1 VS 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. << SATAN REPORTING TO THE LORD AFTER GOING TO AND FRO UP AND DOWN THE EARTH

REVELATION 6 VS 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. << SAME RED HORSE, WHICH IS SATAN, IN ZECHARIAH 1 VS 10 WHICH I QUOTED EARLIER, THE LORD GIVING HIM A LARGE SWORD TO REMOVE PEACE FROM THE EARTH.

NOW THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT SATAN AND GOD WORK TOGETHER, LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE TWO CAMPS ( HEAR AND FORBEAR ) IN THE MIDST OF THIS SATANIC UNLEASHING >>> NEXT POST

seriallink: I agree, God created Luficer but certainly not Satan! Even when Lucifer became Satan by conceiving sin in his heart, he is still a creation of God. It's just that he has perverted his wisdom, so he is no longer a son of the Most High. Think about it brah!!!

Reyginus: Oh! I'm sorry. I meant post 69 and 66.

Oahray: #smh... Maybe I should stop.
@true2god, the reason for threads like this is not to win arguments or make yourself the sole righteous person there is. There are people out there who hunger for the truth. Its as simple as stating your beliefs with bible backing. The Bible is the authority, not any church. At least the Jehovah's witnesses show you from the Bible. Do you bother to listen and reason from the Bible? No. Because you have your mind all made up already.
For once in a thread, I thought I was dealing with people mature enough to consider evidence before ranting away in a show of fanaticism. I was wrong. I guess I just do that some other time, or in another thread, as my reason for contributing isnt simply to win any argument.
Any lover of truth will examine his beliefs carefully.
Peace.

true2god: I hope u read my post before commenting. Nowhere in the new testament the bible writers of matthew, mark, luke John and the apostles who wrote the epistles made reference to Jesus as as arch angel Michael. Non and nowhere. Any contrary doctrine is a straw man doctrin trying to shift the person of Jesus to an angel. Do u knw that human beings will judge angels, includin arch angel Michael, on the last day (1 cor 6:3)? It is in the scriptures.

In order word humans bein will Judge Jesus also,a.k.a, your angel Michael. Do u knw that human beings are related equal with angels? Where do u get ur doctrines and who is feeding u lies without questioning?

Wat u guys are sayin (callin Jesus angel michael) is not differnt frm one yoruba man callin His jesus 'Jesu oyingbo'. If your Jesus, watchtower Jesus, is angel Michael den the Jesus u r servin is like 'jesu oyingbo', which is quite different from my Jesus.

My Jesus is:
1) the mighty God, Isaiah 9:6
2) the prince of peace, Isaiah 9:6
3) the everlastin father, isaiah 9:6
4) the alpha and omega, rev 1:17-20
5) the Word made flesh, John 1:14
6) the creator, John 1:10
7) the Lion of the tribe of Judah
the root and offspring of David
9) the bright and morning star
10) the great teacher
11) the express image of the father
12) the 'son of God'
13) the future judge of the world
14) the image of the invisible God and the 1st born of all creation, colosian 1:15
15) God manifestation in the flesh, 1timothy 3:16.
16) Emmanuel, God be with us
17) the savior of man-kind from sin
18) the way, the truth and the life
19) the one in whose name all knee must bow
20) the baptizer with the Holy spirit, John baptizes with water.

If your Jesus does not meet any of these basic requirement den it is quite obvios that the Jesus watch-tower, or u ,is preachin is different from the Jesus of the Bible. And frm my observation, usin this thread it is now clearer that Jesus of the christians is differnet from Jesus of the Jehova's witnessses. Cos Jesus of the Jehova witness is arch angel Michael while the Jesus of the christians is the alpha and omega, the first and last, the prince of peace, the everlastin father and the mighty God (Isiaiah 9:6).

true2god: Do u knw that human beings will judge angels, includin arch angel Michael, on the last day (1 cor 6:3)? It is in the scriptures.

true2god: We r not talkin about the pre-existence of christ here, of course the Bible attested to his pre-existence (b4 abraham was, I AM). One thing that baffled me here is after readin the book of Hebrew chapter 1 someone still hav a small wit to twist the Bible to suit an organiztional interpretation dat Jesus is arch-angel Micahel. Thats really pathetic!

There is no where the Bible called, imagined, portrayed Jesus as angel Michael. This is a simple lie that enamates from the devil and any organization that represents him on earth.

Heb 1:4 (Jesus was made so much better than the angels)

Heb 1:5 (the father called only Jesus the only begotten, it was not said to any angel, even angel Michael)

Heb 1: 6 (God commanded all angels to worship jesus, i mean all, incudin angel Michael)

Heb 1:8-12 ( God attributed divinity attributes to Jesus)

Heb 1:13-14(God exalted Jesus christ to 'sit at his right hand'). We all knw wat a right hand man/person means in a power structure.

Rev 1:17-20 (Jesus is the 1st and the last, the one dat lives and was dead and alive forever and has the key of hell and death)

Rev 22:12-13,16(Jesus is coming to reward evryman accordin to his work. He is the alpha and omega,not angel michael, the beginning and the end. The first and last. Jesus gave the revelations to John to testify to the churches things dat must come to pass. He is the 'root and offspring of david', the 'bright and morning star'

The person of Jesus bears no ambiguity. Arch angel michael, like other angels, is a ministring spirit unto the churches. Both Jesus and Michael are two diffrent and saparate entities. Jesus christ is the one that became a man, through whose death brought salvation to whoever belives on his name.

He is the savior who shed his blood for the remission of sins. He was obedient unto the father even unto his death. The reason God exalted him and gave him a name above evry name, that in his name evry knee must bow (in prayer). He has the power to save, heal and forgive sins.

God sent him because he loves the world and anyone that believes in him will not perish but have evelasting life (john 3:16). Anyone dat believes in Jesus will not perish, that is wat the Bible says. ALL power has been given unto Jesus both on earth and in heaven(MATTHEW 28:18). All power was not given to arch angel Michael.

Enough of dis misinterpretation and blasphemy
and twistin of the scriptures to support an unfounded and false doctrine.

Reyginus: LOLol. What's ze matter?

Reyginus: Lololol. Take a look at Post 79 and 61.

truthislight: the same spirit, life force, breath keep we and them alive.

But our mind/brain capacity is far superior to that of other creatures.

With ability to display high qualities like:

1. Justice
2. Love
3. Free will
4. Forsight
Etc, Etc, etc.

Reyginus: Lololol. Take a look at Post 79 and 61.

frosbel: FALSE !!

"Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless." - Ecclesiastes 3:19

the spirit is the breath of life that comes from God, it is not an independent being that exists apart from the body. MAN is not a Trinity and neither is GOD.

We are ONE as individuals. God is ONE and a Spirit, MAN is ONE and a Mortal.

A soul is a combination of two ingredients, a body and a spirit, spirit here denoting the breath or life that comes from GOD.

A man who is void of the spirit is dead and totally dead in the true sense of the word, he is oblivious to all stimuli with no memory or thought process existing outside the body.

Stop this LIE about MAN's immortality, only GOD is immortal.




FALSE again.

We are a SOUL , when we die, we are called a BODY.

Image123: @tislight
i don't usually reply you as you're usually around to cheerlead without any originality of any kind, or you go on a quoting rampage of quoting posts without brake. But let me make a bit of a comment.


Offering or gift is not limited to animal sacrifices. Thank God they also gave money and other things in Jesus' days, we for no hear word at all.
Luk 21:1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
Luk 21:2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee;

Image123: Offering or gift is not limited to animal sacrifices. Thank God they also gave money and other things in Jesus' days, we for no hear word at all.

Image123: Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee;

Image123: @Gosh
As much as possible, can you keep it simple? i guess the goal of exposition is for us all to 'get it' or understand it more. Remember, you're trying to talk to sheep. Keep It Simple. We happen to love the simplicity that is in Christ, thanks.

i agree with most of what you wrote, so i'm just picking SOME of what you wrote that need some tweak. The quoted is not stated and is not necessary in this thread. There is no need to generate unnecessary issues and diversions.


And Jesus was what? a woman?


Jesus was also born of a woman. What's this?
Gala 4:4 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

On the contrary, its Melchi that we are told that he had no human parents!!
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Jesus was made like Him, and He was made like Jesus.


This is Melchizedek below.

Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
He was a priest and a king at the same time. That is the SIMPLE order that Jesus followed Him in, the rest na jara.

italo: You should read the whole verse. It says "hold fast to the traditions we passed to you EITHER BY WORD OF MOUTH or by letter.

So the tradition is God's word, part of it passed onto us by letter, part of it by letter.

It is easy for you to accuse other people of following "unscriptural" traditions but examine yourself first, Which of the trdition passed by word of mouth do you hold fast to? NONE.

You are the one going against scripture.

italo: @ truthislight,

What is the "Catholic Church" and when did it come into existence?

Reyginus: Lololol. Take a look at Post 79 and 61.

truthislight: the same spirit, life force, breath keep we and them alive.

But our mind/brain capacity is far superior to that of other creatures.

With ability to display high qualities like:

1. Justice
2. Love
3. Free will
4. Forsight
Etc, Etc, etc.

Reyginus: Lololol. Take a look at Post 79 and 61.

Reyginus: Lololol. Take a look at Post 79 and 61.

sunkoye: We read not of any appearance of God's glory to Joshua till now. There appeared to him one as a man to be noticed. This Man was the Son of God, the eternal Word. Joshua gave him Divine honours: he received them, which a created angel would not have done, and he is called Jehovah, chap. 6:2. To Abraham he appeared as a traveller; to Joshua as a man of war. Christ will be to his people what their faith needs. besides rahab must survive the war.

Ubenedictus: and apostle pauls voice says "hold on to the tradition..."

materxxdxa: Note that the Bible is not in itself a BOOK, but A COLLECTION of books. These books were compiled by different scholars according to the directives and inspiration of the Holy Spirit. These books were GATHERED and CANONIZED

Joagbaje: Man is a spirit ,he has a soul ,and he lives on this plane in a body. The real man does not die. When a man dies on this plane , he only checks on of the temporary abode called body. The spirit of man is immortal . Man is immortal.

Reyginus: More contradictions.
The same spirits? Do beasts have spirits?
The same life force/soul? Do beasts have the image and likeness of God?
First, it was beasts have no brain, then they have a brain. Later we have different brain, then what unites us is that 'same' brain. But this time around, it has gone beyond a circle. Now what differenciates us is our superior brain.
Are you incapable of following a single chain of thought?

Joagbaje: Of course. Jesus fulfilled the nifty gritty. But the principle of offering still Stands.

Christians will also do well doing all of these things sir. They are all types and shadows and all fulfilled in Christ.

Tithes has nothing to do with the messiah. It's Gods. Jesus didn't fulfill tithing .

What you call Church offering today is NOT according to the law but what the NT church used in the early church for sharing and distributions among the saints.

plappville: Our broda Frosbel is becoming so confused

frosbel: Worship can mean ;

religious rites or ceremonies, constituting a formal expression of reverence for a deity:


great admiration or devotion shown towards a person or principle:

Oxford Dictionary


We worship Jesus in the sense of admiration and devotion while we worship Yahweh with admiration and devotion but also with reverence.


There are only 2 races of beings , Humans and Angels.

Angels are spirits.

Jesus Christ was not and is not an Angel .

This is the same error with Arianism.

We are forbidden to worship angels no matter how highly placed that angel is.

To worship Angel Michael is to commit an act that is expressly forbidden in scripture.

There is not one place in the bible where Jesus is called Michael or vice versa , just as there is nowhere in the bible that mentions Trinity.

To now impose our interpretation on scripture without explicit approval is presumption at best.

frosbel: There are only 2 races of beings , Humans and Angels.

Angels are spirits.

Jesus Christ was not and is not an Angel .

chukwudi44: It is quite amazing you call yourself a xtian when you cannot yet make up your mind about whom Jesus is.

pastormustwacc: I have been monitoring this thread very closely, even brought non-nairalander christians to review it sef. The consensus offline is that Jesus and Angel michael are different entities entirely.
You guys should resolve already. . . .as far as the thread is concerned, i am a neutral.

Logicboy03: Google answers questions....millions of them.

musKeeto: prove it.