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mazaje: When the Most High apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the gods; the LORD's own portion was his people, Jacob his allotted share.

Deuteronomy 32:8-9 (NRSV)

i dont know where you got this from.

mazaje: according to the number of the gods;

the words there is not gods.

plaetton: The first thing that anyone reading the bible will notice in almost all the old testament books is the image of Yahweh/El-Shaddai, lord, creator and commander of the universe, weeping and sulking about being abandoned by the Children of Israel to worship other gods.

In view of this, how can anyone who reads the bible seriously claim that the Israelites were not polytheistic?

How?

the name of the Jewish God is Yahweh.

I notice that you have been trying to changes name to El-shaddai to suite you theory of El and what have you.

Do you know the meaning of the word El-shaddai?

There are many WORDs that are used to praised Yahweh in the bible that are not necessary his name but attribute (eg. powerful, strong, great, man of war, etc)

that does not change the name of God to the attributes.

If i should say that satan is powerful and the bible also said that Yahweh is powerful, does that now change the name of satan to powerful?

Or does that now made satan and Yahweh to bear/answer the same names? No.

The name of Yahweh is not Elshaddi.

Find out the meaning of elshaddai please sir.

Logicboy03: 30 years old?


I no old reach that one, bros!


Guy no vex, at the end of the day we could be friends in real life!

why not?

See ya!

Unlike the death of all (wo)man today that have the prospect of a resurrection to life John 5:28,29

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. " (John 5:28-29).

"ALL those in the grave will hear his voice and come out" = ALL

^^^

that prospect is the difference between us and those that will be resurrected and that will have to die again (second death)

in the instance of the second death there is no hope of a resurection and as such it is signified with the symbolism of the word "fire" Revelation 20:14,15.
This people that under go second death will also be kill by God and not on the basis of Adamic sin.

Those that God has personally deem deserving of death and had to be killed by God has no more hope of living cause there own case is closed and final, such people even in the bible there that were killed by God without hope of a resurrection are also symbolised with fire, showing that there case is closed and their death is eternal death.

So again are those that will be destroyed at the end of this system of things, there destruction being by God means that they have no more hope of a resurrection and is symbolised by fire. 2peter 3:10.

So, in the bible, fire is consistently being used to symbolised everlasting death.

Lack of this knowledge is the reason for not getting the sense of what "fire" means in the bible and not taking one scripture out of "context" of the "whole bible" .


Be in fear of him that can kill both body and soul in Gehena(fire = everlasting death)

(meaning , be in fear of him that can kill human without the hope of a resurrection)

From my study of the bible, i have come to understand that it was not in God's plan that human go through all the trouble we are all going through Today,

the reason for this is due to the sin of our forefather Adam, and Ofcouse, God had warned him that if he should disobey his instruction that he will die(cease to exist)
GENESIS 2:17.

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

So, when Adam did actually disobeyed with the help of satan, God had to abandon him Since God and satan cannot shear, with that separation from the source of life, Adam went back to the dust the place he was taken from at the first place, from dust to dust, GENESIS 3:19.

"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." (Genesis 3:19).

Befor Adam was created from the dust was he existing some where else?

No, since that will mean that he was not in actuality created by God and his existance in the garden of eden was not the origin of man/him.

The problem that God came back to fixe when he told Abraham "that by means of your seed all the nation of the earth will certainly bless themself was the problem that he new that Adam will have if he disobeyed, GENESIS 2:17 = death.

So, the wages of sin is death, as was in the case of Adam GENESIS 3:19, from dust to dust.

In like manner, today, the scenario facing man is to stick to God and keep his commandment and have everlasting life or do otherwise like Adam and cease to exist/lost out on everlasting life like Adam did.

The bible consistently says, "the wages of sin is death and the gift that God gives is everlasting life through Jesus christ our lord.
Romans 6:23

It will be an irony if this was false and not true, that both sinners and righteous will both have everlasting life.

At the bible book of Roman 6:7, we are told that he that had died is free from sin"

so, on what basis will the resurrected once that have died and are freed from sin be tormented?

bearing in mind that they have already died and have been acquitted from sin they committed while alive and Ofcouse the wages of sin is death?


If i should steal a car and sent to prison, on serving the prison term will i still pay for the car i had stolen?

Eternal torment is an irony of justice and is not a bible based teaching.
Peace

Pastor Kun: How does this rant answer my question I asked you to show us from scriptures were we as christians are asked to tithe of our income and you are telling me I don't know the meaning of tithes. Why don't you tell me? Cos according to my bible tithes is 10% of food stuff produced from the land of Israel. If you have any better biblical definition state it here and also state why it should be applicable to believers who are under grace.

some people are angry that the truth is coming out and exposing their fraud and as such they are uncomfortable.

ogoamaka99: Sorry, i had been away and left my laptop behind. Pastorku, you don't know the meaning of tithe. If you do, nobody will tell you to pay or not to pay. Nevertheless i advice you TO FIRST GIVE YOUR HEART TO GOD and you will not refuse other obligations.

this guy may be surviving on tith money.

Can you answer pastor kunle questions?

If you cannot then stop telling lies.

italo: Yes. We should RESPECT one-another's opinions, but should we ACCEPT them and live our Christian lives by them? Or should we respect them and still hold on to our own opinions and live our lives by them?

this are why there is a deviation from the .

Our "own opinion" and not what the bible says.

ogoamaka99: IF WE UNDERSTAND THAT, THINGS WILL BE BETTER. But our problem is that we take our opinion to be the best, the only correct opinion. We sees any opinion that differ from ours as dunce. Let respect one anthers opinion

christianity is not based on our opinion but on what the bible says.

It is not a family BUSINESS scheme.

italo: But there are people who say they operate by Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition and it is scriptural to do so. They even quote scripture to back their position. You say you go by Scripture alone and it is scriptural to do so. You also quote scripture to back your position. Who then has the authority to judge who is right between you and them? Should we just accept that they corrupted the truth because frosbel said so? Even though they also think you are corrupting the truth.



Others will disagree. They will say scripture supports them. They have their opinion; you have yours. What about God's opinion. Who can we trust to tell us?



But each man's understanding of what is the truth of scripture is based on his own reasoning. Who, among men then, has the authority to define God's opinion of truth?

any understanding that contradict other parts of bible is not a bible based knowledge and as such should be discarded.

God cannot contradict himself.

italo: How do you know what the Bible says? Is it not your personal opinion that you end up declaring as what the Bible says? E.g if you read the Bible and deduce that Jesus is God; and Mr X reads the Bible and deduces that Jesus is not God, who is to judge who is right and who is wrong? Don't you judge based on personal opinion? So how is your position different from Ogoamaka's?

Please answer these questions. No hard feelings.

the bible explain it self.

ogoamaka99: Yes we can have our own opinion on religious issues because of differences in understanding. If you understand something, the way you believe and react will differ from the way somebody else believe and react. Surely you react over an issue based on your opinion. Take for instance tithe, why do some christian pay and some don't pay?

my friend, can you answer the question i had ask you?

What should be the final authority for christian teaching?

Your opinion or the bible?

OLAADEGBU: You can ask atheists that question. The existence of God is a mystery to them likewise those who don't believe in the doctrine of the trinity which teaches the nature of God. It doesn't make sense to them but to them who are being saved it is the power of God unto salvation.

^^^ how true is this?
same old story.

Logicboy03: A headlamp doesnt have a reflector. Ode


A reflector headlamp has a reflector inbuilt in it.



A reflector is not a light. Your copy and paste argument from a christian apologist site fails!

well, i think i am through with this kid.

He is not fit for the issue or even competent to counter the bible cause he is not even grounded on basic of things/designs.

If you are 30yrs old you need about 15 more years of seriouse learning or more to even start.

Sorry mate.

I got over your web issues many many years back.

All you get from me is from what i had confirm befor now while i was still curious.
I need no such thing as a web aid to point to you the accuracy of the scriptures.
Ciao.

frosbel: One other thing, we all agree not to 'murder' the English language.

English words will be defined exactly as stated in the English dictionary and not by some magical art of mental gymnastics.

how can some lexicographer that has not red the bible befor be an authority on bible language/word that are translated from hebrew to greek?

Dictionary can only be an authority on words that has no biblical conotations.
Peace

Just learnt the first time on this thread on NL that logicboy can hold his anger and be sane, on this thread without over reacting.
There is hope for him.

Logicboy03: You jest keep entering a deeper hole!

A reflect is not a light.


The moon is not a light.



Yaweh fails

just like an headlamp is not a light but a reflector but you see the rays from it and calls it light.

is it possible that all surfaces can serve as a good reflector?

Is it by co-incidence that we have the moon having a surface that can reflect the sun so efficiently that it illuminaty the night skies on planet earth that has life?

Why not use a black object to reflect light and see how well you will do?

So, all the rocks that you have seen are all having effective reflective surfaces?

My illogickid, i will design a head lamp for you using black, yellow, brown, blue, and red rocks for you to come and buy and put in your yet to be bought car, and if you complain that the headlamp made of rock is not bright enough for your night driving, if you do, at that point, well, your wisdom here will be plain illo............
Nonsense.

You seem to be extremely naive considering the things you take as mere chances in nature.

musKeeto: lol.. two pages in and d debate never start...

Ugarith texts? lol..

plaetton, how does your wife cope?

Hmmmmm!

Plaeton is married

He sounds young to me!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]My friend frosbel, you are still rationalizing stuff while dodging the question: According to John 1, Is Jesus the same as the Word or is Jesus a creation of it?

I will keep reminding you of this question until you get it. I really am not interested in dragging out a "trinity war" all I want is for you to know Christ. Until you know the person of Christ, Christianity will continue to elude you.[/quote]i dont think that mr Frosbel has ever denied the deity of Jesus christ.

The son of a king is a prince = royalty.

What i think he has ever said here that is in divergence is his origine. QED.

Bringing the statement bout him believing that Jesus is God(mighty God but not almighty God) is not necessary.

toba: i have a complain to make

i dont know why this is sounding so funny to me.

I was thinking this thread was meant for complains?

Or, is your own complain in camera?
Lol.

Otherwise, then. You are at the right place my friend.
Lol.

toba: i have a complain to make

i dont know why this is sounding so funny to me.

I was thinking this thread was meant for complains?

Or, is your own complain in camera?
Lol.

Well, then. You are at the right place my friend.
Lol.

Logicboy03: See the lies?


A headlamp is a headlamp!

A headlamp with a reflector is called a reflector headlamp or reflector lamp.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#Reflector_lamps




A reflector has never been reffered to as a light! Never in the modern day science.


Keep lying for the bible!

ok i see,
then you can drive at night without it.

Lol.

wiegraf: Breathe, man, breathe. You don't want to become afflicted with a certain disorder that seems to hit long time religionists on here. I'm sure they were sane at some point in time, but gradually gave in to the madness. Breath, man, breath.

dude, what are you up to?

Hahaha, lol.

Can you expanciate on this:

wiegraf: You don't want to become afflicted with a certain disorder that seems to hit long time religionists on here.

what exactly can that be and who and who have been affected by it?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Oh shut up already and read the Deuteronomy 32 that I sent you. Why are you being so willfully ignorant?


My issue is not with your quotation, It is the meanings you are reading from them that are wrong. I have posted the Deuteronomy 32 for you to read in context and insert for me the characters Yahweh and El as you have claimed. Why are you avoiding it?
I want you to do some actual intellectual work so that we can now move forward to treating the rest of your claims proper.

If I have been gracious enough to take note of your argument, I think it is only fair to demand your involvement too. Perhaps you really didn't want my involvement. All you wanted was someone to tell stuff to.

You were the one who suggested that Deuteronomy 32:8-9 was referring to two different people. If you had actually read the whole chapter down to verse 44, you would have discovered that it is a song. But then the song issue is of minor importance. What I have asked you to do was to show in the whole chapter which verses referred to Yahweh and which ones referred to El by substituting their names in the text. I have even provided the chapter for you. Why are you shying away from it now?

You don't even seem to be least interested in actually validating your claims. Why then are you wasting my time?[/quote]@ Anony

you had finish work here when you did ask plaeton to show from other write up a reference to Yahweh in their text to proof that other nations did know who Yahweh was.

What you are doing here is to "give him a ride"

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]i dont know what you have to hide if any,

quoting your write up is not revealing the post.

Rev 13:8 and GENESIS 3:15

However, your two ^^^ quoted scriptures are one and the same, refering to each other.

One was when the prophesy was made about what christ will come and do in the future and the Rev. is a reference to when the decission was made.
since whatever Yahweh says must always come to pass, Isaiah 55:10,11, it then means that the statement in GENESIS 3:15 was as good as done. (bruising the head of the serpent and serpent bruising him in the "heel" = temporary (wound/death) )

the Rev. Refers to that decission.

and that in no way is pointings to the fact that the person to which that prophesy was made to was not alive in heaven.

The bible talked about a time that silence broke out in heaven when the question was ask, "who will go for us"

you have to try and seperat a prophesy and an actual statement.

There are so many statement in the bible that shows that christ had existed befor coming to the earth.

Not even when you go against the words of Jesus.

However, it is good to know where the reasons for your stance came from.
Peace

Callotti: Na today?
The main reason I avoid CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS. . . .
TUFIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKWA!!!!

wow!
your experience with RCC may have been very bad indeed.

plaetton: There is only one source of light in our solar system, the sun. Every other light is a refelection. To say that god created two lights is something that only a primitive mind could have concieved simply beciuase they could not have known that the moon was only reflecting the sun's light.
To say that god created two lights is blatantly false.
I cannot blame the primitive minds that believed god create two lights,no,rather, I blame the 21st century mind that still clings on to such primitive beliefs as belligerant idiocy.

i only blame you and the 21c scientist that refered to a car headlamp shiny reflector as headlamp, maybe their 21c knowledge of what a lamp/light source is skewed.

When next you see a great designer just give him the respect s(he) deserves even though your mind cannot relate with the obvious.

A good designer makes designing look very easy.

When you guys start gaining the much desired life experiences/knowledge you will then start having the capacities to appreciate the design technics/complexities in nature.

Untill then, it will be good for your reputation to stop exposing your ignorance.

Logicboy03: Yes, like God creating two lights when there is only one? Genesis1:16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.

The moon is not a light. It is made of rock. Someone who was inspired or told by God these things; as is said about the writers of the Holy Bible would know that right? For God knows all.




Or a flat earth mentality?
"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding." - Job 38:4

"Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;" - Job 38:6





Or the lie that women came from a man's ribs? Or that we were created from scratch rather than evolve from other life forms?

common sens is not common with you.

There are things that i considered worthy of my time and not this, but for your "like" plaeton, that makes me wonder if it runs in the "family".

Anyway, i believe you are aged mates still taking it knowledge as such i will forgive your ignorance,


is the moon the only rock in our solar system?
(use wiki, thats your brain)

What about the other planet?
(i bet their rock light reflector is not bright enough or they are not place to let light reach the earth)

If you have a car, i suppose your car, the headlamp: "bulb and reflector" are not call as a package "headlamp" though it is basically a reflector reflecting the light rays from the bulbs.

Maybe you could not learn that from observing other cars headlamp.

But your infantile brain that reason as a one way traffic cant consider that a reflector can be called/considered as a light source.

Though the bulb in the headlamp is shielded from glaring out.

Your infantile brain cannot consider all tangent in an issue under consideration.

Anyhow, i appreciation your dilema, its due to your inexperience, you and your likes have never had a job befor/work experience to help you appreciate nature's Designs and how stuff works and most especially give you the desired experience in life.

That ^^^ will give you knowledge that will curtail your excesses and exuberance that make will you a more well rounded individual in life.

Peace though, while you keep developing.

is the moon the only rock in our solar system?

What about the other planet?
(i bet their rock light reflector is not bright enough or they are not place to elect light)

If you have a car, i suppose your car, the headlamp: "bulb and reflector" are not call as a package "headlamp" though it is basically a reflector reflecting the light rays from the bulbs.

Maybe you could not learn that from observing other cars headlamp.

But your infantile brain that reason as a one way traffic cant consider that a reflector can be called/considered as a light source.

Though the bulb in the headlamp is shielded from glaring out.

Your infantile brain cannot consider all tangent in an issue under consideration.

Anyhow, i appreciation your dilema, its due to your inexperience, you and your likes have never had a job befor/work experience to help you appreciate nature's Designs and how stuff works and most especially give you the desired experience in life.

That ^^^ will give you knowledge that will curtail your excesses and exuberance that will make you a more well rounded individual in life.

Peace though, while you keep developing.

Logicboy03: hahah


The bible just keeps on giving!!


The more you read the more errors you find!!!

is the moon the only rock in our solar system?

What about the other planet?
(i bet their rock light reflector is not bright enough or they are not place to let light)

If you have a car, i suppose your car, the headlamp: ("bulb and reflector" are not call as a package "headlamp" though it is basically a reflector reflecting the light rays from the bulbs.

Maybe you could not learn that from observing other cars headlamp.

But your infantile brain that reason as a one way traffic cant consider that a reflector can be called/considered as a light source.

Though the bulb in the headlamp is shielded from glaring out.

Your infantile brain cannot consider all tangent in an issue under consideration.

Anyhow, i appreciation your dilema, its due to your inexperience, you and your likes have never had a job befor/work experience to help you appreciate nature's Designs and how stuff works and most especially give you the desired experience in life.

That ^^^ will give you knowledge that will curtail your excesses and exuberance that will make you a more well rounded individual in life.

Peace though, while you keep developing.

frosbel: You are saying exactly what the Antichrist will say, that Jesus Christ the Son of GOD did not come fully in the flesh, he only met us half-way.

In other words , your Jesus was GOD who just put on some flesh and played pretend as MAN, he was not 100% MAN.

Blasphemy !!!

if Jesus was not man how then do we follow his foot step and example bearing in mind that we are just human and not half God?

He Jesus set example for us to follow his foot step very closely, this will be imposible and irrational and plain deceit if we are ask to follow the foot step of a god.

Goshen360: Okay, we wan to start translation wahala now abi........I don't want to enagage in translation issues BUT there is a study I did that gave me the conclusion that Jesus wasn't firstBORN of creatURES BUT of creatIONS.......I know where your own sect belongs on this matter as it is what your sect teach. We can go on and on as to translation wahala but there is a translation that shows the meaning of the creatION being talked about. We will get there soon, if we continue.

creation = all creatures put together.

Or

all the thinks that are created = to creation.

So, what the issues all about the creation and creatures issues?

JeSoul: Believe me when I say I understand. It is certainly not fair to the 1 or 2 people who stayed on topic - happens almost everytime any thread is locked.

So what exactly would you prefer I do? with the posts, with the thread and with the offending posters including logicboy?

hahaha. Lol.

I over heard someone in a church once said "i jump am pass"

really, i jump over this decission making and passed it back to you.

Its your call.

I only expressed myself as regard that thread, however, at the end of the day, you have the responsibility of running this forum in the way you deemed fit and beneficial to all.

So. Its your call.

I only felt that the posters at both ends where a little bit emotional.

Once again, its withing your reach to use your "good office" to take a decission as you deemed fit.

Peace.