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vedaxcool: Mathew 19
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an [size=18pt]hundredfold,[/size] and shall inherit everlasting life.

KJV


It seems Christians too are going to enjoy a 100 wives in Heaven

bad guy,

dont spoil this ma bros o

vedaxcool: Mathew 19
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an [size=18pt]hundredfold,[/size] and shall inherit everlasting life.

KJV


It seems Christians too are going to enjoy a 100 wives in Heaven

bad guy,

dont spoil this ma bros o

mkmyers45: @First-Bolded: Many will strongly disagree with you as many atheist try to ascribe higher levels of morality to atheists...

@Second-Bolded: How do you confront your own sins? How do you even define what is sin to yourself?

from what you have shown him it shows that to some atheism is just a convenient way of living the life that suit them/convenient to them so as not to have to answer to anyone. Eg, a deity.

Muhamed, your actions seems to be too bad.

All your followers seem to have gotten confuse trying to defend you of your wrong doing.

Why did you not leave a better example for them to follow?
Then their work of defending you would have been very easy and not undefendable.

When a poster is posting rot and insulting people it is ALL glaring for all to see.

And actions can be taken by the mod for that be it discipline or something.

When a mod keeps moving people thread from one section to Other section as (s)he pleases it defeats the essence of being/going to a forum to discuss.

Not even on religious topics can that be justified.

Are we kids?

prothelley: @ Barrister
@ truthislight

When it comes to dealing with the Jw, I apply caution in order not to add or remove from God's word according to the last chapter of the book of Revelation.
I have studied more than five times wit jw at different times and location as life takes me to and fro. And I discover one attitude they possess; proof me wrong pls
1. They are arrogant
2. They are self righteous, claiming to be the only chosen ones of God.
3. Most of them are VERY poor.
4. They are ONLY concern about 'paradise' on earth.
5. They dnt want to reason with what you have to say, using 'what the Bible really teaches' to force you to believe their doctrines.
6. Each time I ask a question they will tell to come to the kingdom hall first or they will need to ask their elder.........why?
7. They look down on you and claiming not associate with anyone outside their and yet they attend public schools, go to public market, enter public vehicles. My question is: since the jw are not part of this world, then why are they here. They suppose to have their own planet so as not to associate with anyone in other not to poute them. Even when the Bible makes it clear as said by the Lord Jesus, 'I came for the lost not the saved, I came for the sinners not the righteous'. If the jw are these righteous then Christ won't have come to save that which was 'lost'.

I decide not to continue with the studies after their 'Jehovah at hand' convention in 2006. I observed that their baptism is only done at their convention and the teaching they gave to back up their claims was not founded on the Bible.
1. Jesus Christ whom is the ONLY way to God was not baptised a pool.
2. Jesus was baptised prior to HIS earthly ministry and received the HOLY SPIRIT instantly. The HOLY SPIRIT which they claim was only meant for the apostles of old and not for these day christian.

Spirituality which they dnt believe is the ONLY way to reach God. Yet they close their eyes and pray, they sleep and find themselves in strange places in their dreamlands. My question is, if Spirituality is not for today christian, in what medium do you pray and receive answers? Or is it that your prayer goes thru a post office to God. Secondly, how do you called the dream realm? Is it physical or spiritual? If there is no spiritual realm how will God raise up the dead 'good' christians on ressurrectio day, since God is a Spirit. And the Bible has said that God is a Spirit and those that worship HIM should worship HIM in 'Spirit' and in truth.

On the aspect of Tithe and offering my brothers, if it is not in the Bible, I would have stop giving my Tithe and offering in church. Mal 3:10 makes it clear. Why are jw concerntrating on MOG collecting tithe and offering, when they will come to my door and 'remind' me that their magazines are without charge but encourage donations. Why will you remind me of what already know if you are not asking for money? I understand that 'the book of Bible stories and Revelation climax (which I have) are hard to get cos there are no funds to print them, what a shame!
If you say you dnt collect offerings then why are their boxes asking for donations. Who are the ones responsible for the collected 'donations' ? Why does the jw make announcement on convention ground calling for donations? What will you call that? Why then don't I go around and say that jw are collecting donations and defrauding members?
In churches, you NEVER hear pastor telling tha you MUST drop tithe and offering before leaving. Everyone does that based on Mal 3:10, no one is being forced. If you say tithe giving is for ancient Christians then no one in this generation should be practising christianity. Shiken!

@ the two poster I quote, pls answers these questions.

you dont sound like a tith giver but rather a tith receiver.

^^^^
those things that you pen down there are nothing closely representing what the bible and JW say.

Infact your knowledge of the bible and your honesty is begging.

You are not the only one that meet JW, so i believe that others that have met them can form their opinion also about them.

For you, you have distorted the facts and i cant west my time on those extensively.

Imagine saying that JW cannot answer your questions!



People really need to change for the better.

The JW ensure to pay their taxes and as such are entitle to use what the government do with their tax money.

Jesus christ said that his followers are no part of the world and as such they stair clear of the world as much as possible, if as a christian you dont like/Obey that instruction dont take it out on the JW but take it out on Jesus christ that gave the instructions.

You came on this thread to justify payment of tith? lol

their are many thread on this forum go there and proof that tith is for christian and dont emberass yourself here.

If you collect the JW publications and you dont want to contribute, that is good for you it is who you are.
Out of the heart abundance the mouth speaks.

You also want JW to be buying jet and not be poor, well, suite yourself.

The JW do work with their hands and dont need to exploit people, some of those people that you call poor actually left their well exterblished businesses and high paying jobs for the sake of the excelling value of the goodnews of the kingdom just like apostle paul did.
This you cannot do since your love for christ has not gotten up to that level.

Is your love for christ selfish?

true2god: Hi my broda, so when when are u planning to become a Jw? R u still thinkin about it or somehw confused?

how happy you will be to hear him say that he is no longer going to join them.

At list that will help to masage your ego.

^^^^
SADIST.

I told you and all to bring out your dusty bible and proof this "false prophet" of JW wrong you cannot.

Dont you know that it is beliefs that are base in the bible that will give eternal life?
1timothy 2:3,4

so, if their belief are bible base then people are on there way to attaining eternal life.

Peace

Willzkid: I thought the watchtower is infallible, so they can make mistakes afterall?
What if the whole Jehovah witness group was all a mistake spawned by charles russel and the watchtower society all d while..
I hope u will be this humble to repent?
SMH

that young man was sampling your sincerity?

Look at how you have fallen head on.

Your hatred for the JW is like that of a drowning man you will grab any leave to stand up.

Why not as a bible carrier use your bible and come out to proof where they need repentance?

Joagbaje: Maybe you should open a fresh thread on this for me and you only. All these Agbero posters will mess up this thread. We don't have to fight with truth. Let truth speak for it self. Whoever gets into personal attacks is not seeking truth. He is rather manipulative trying to force his opinion on others . That's fleshly and evil.It's worldly wisdom . Wisdom from above is peaceful.

James 3:14-17
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

what is wrong with this thread? It is still very short naa

Just 1.5

[quote author=t-med]I'm fully aware dat we will disagree when trying to prove whom the 70 years referred to. I've also noticed that many JW prefer to talk about the organization's doctrine e.g Blood, God's name,607 BCE etc however, many of them do not like to discuss their organization's past; the failed prophecies;1925,1975 embarassing failure and the beautiful mansion Rutherford bought for Abraham and others in the bible, to prove his resurrection doctrine.

Kindly do me a favour by answering this simple question(just a yes or no will do, u don't need to bury ur thought in words)

has ur organization ever prohesy wrongly?

Did they say resurrection would happen in 1925 or not? ( i believe U shuld know this, u don't need o ask me to provide evidences, only if u are trying to cover up d errors of ur organization, after all you must have heard of Bethasim, even non- JW know this(not sure if i spelt it right though))

I cannot but wonder why JW ignore this past especially When pple demand a reasonable explanation for the failure.

They just want don't want to face d fact

I will not be surprised if u do not answer any question about their failed prophecy. After all, that's what most JW do(although,i will be sincerely glad if u do otherwise).[/quote]you mean with all your passion all you can get to discredit the JW is this ^^^^?

You mean that all their doctrine are correct that is why you cannot produce a biblical evidence to make your case Against this JW that you call "false prophets?"

Now, how did the "false prophet JW" manage to get their doctrine perfectly correct that you cant even proof one of their doctrine wrong?

Now, you have to do better than what you are doing now.

Bring your bible out and proof that JW teaching are false since they are" false prophet" according to you.

D P

MacDaddy01: I actually posted this topic in the islam section but it got moved

its like that your friend does not want to see you come near the islam section.

MacDaddy01: I actually posted this topic in the islam section but it got moved

its like that your friend does not want to see you come near the islam section.

Lots of questions banging for answers!

Enigma: The attitude here mirrors how atheists (with assistance of misguided "intellectuals" etc) have abused the concept of "separation of church and state" and turned it on its head almost to the complete opposite of its originally intended purpose and meaning --- to almost now mean that anything "religious" is not to be tolerated.

It is also an unconscious demonstration of the double-standards and duplicity that the atheists are rightly accused of.

Christians start threads and say 'for Christians only' yet atheists go there to defecate on it ---- they claim "oh this is a public forum not your church".

Now we have an atheist saying people should not use scriptures ----- on a thread in the Religion Section!

Why not go and post the thread in the Politics section ------ and then come here to invite the concerned desired participants to go and join the thread?

All good.

^^^^
truth i tell you.

how does hypocrisy really look like?

How will they know.

Its no longer a religious forum its now a political forum.

Fortunately it is on the net else they can wipe off all nuisance religious freak.

Delafruita: do the CDs ejaculaate?their tozoa had better be worth it

in the the name of religion anything sales.

So God will not answer prayer without this cd?

Ok it is not about God but about having a child.

Why not take it to the hospital and sale it there?

Is worship for God only driven by what we want?

What about love for God?

plaetton: What?
What have I added and subtracted from your bible? I only quote what is clearly written. Perhaps you are irked because you find the particular bible quotations embarrassing. That is your problem.
Blame the word of your god, not me.

Every single day and every single hour , we have bible thumpers quoting this and that from the word of god and expecting everyone to swallow, hook line and sinker, without questions.

But once in a while, when those of us not gifted with scriptural reasoning(appologies to Ijawkid) exercise our right of reply, then you all go on your silly tantrums, much like spoilt little brats.

The Right of Reply; that is what we non-religious people are exercising on this religilous,sorry, religious forum.
Our right of reply is inviolate.

please excersis your right o.

But dont/never hide under a cover that you love the bible to deceive people.

D P

[quote author=speeder][/quote]certain ways of life is chosen simply out of convenient.

Eg islam,

since it will shield them on their evil practice of molesting children.

Having kids as wives, many at that.

No wander they empheisies on virginity for the girl child.

What about the male child being a virgin for the female child?

Should the girl child not get married to a male child virgin?

Cause it seems to me that not all girl child will get this oportunity since she may end up being a third or fourth wife.

Where then is the justice for the girl child?

This is evil/sex slavery for women.

The Clown: This thread still dey?

have you shown up?

We have been waiting.

OLAADEGBU: Come off your high horse and smell the coffee! Information on why folks leave JW's are all over the world wide web and you are here feigning ignorance. Help yourself to a videolink of why people leave JW's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aov4lWw3H0s

And if you would'nt or cannot watch it then below is a summary of what was said:

i was almost thinking Ola will dere list what JW teach that is false so that we can use it to educate people here on this thread

but he refered us to a link of JW detractors.

Sorry Ola. Next time list what they teach that is false.
Peace

Food for thought.

If we pray for God tor kill our persive enemy/sinner,

how then/when will they repent as God wish them to do?

Is it not God's will that the sinner repent and sin no more?

nedostic: @Omo Alata,

I have 2 questions for you. Can an evil power die? Agreed we can render the powers of darkness impotent.

The other question I have for you is to show me where its written in the Bible that we can bind demons?

I do want to prempt your answer, but I am sure you do quote Matthew. 16:18-19.

I am awaiting your response.

The bible is not made for people not to think. Its a compilation of scriptures to guide us right and we should always be careful not to quote scriptures out of context, otherwise we err!

One thing that has actually not helped us much is the (mis)translation of certain verses in the bible. Its pertinent for us to really study the scriptures rather than believe all what tradition has passed onto us.

Our Lord Jesus Christ has given us a prayer guide-OUR LORD's PRAYER.

[b]Please anyone,who cares enough to know the truth should fee free to go through this website on the true meanings of binding and loosing.
More so, we can do a detailed search on this via any search engine of our choice. [/b]http://www.intercession.addr.com/teaching/001_prayer_intercession.htm

the point i agreed with you the most is on translation.

People dont want to get the actual sense of the passage in questions but the translation that suit their argument/doctrine.

Such kind people will and have simply miss their way.

Key:
Cross check from other translation

true2god: With due apology i never meant to insult. I believe we r reasoning together but somehw on a slightly different dimension. Note dat im not blackmailin any1 or organizatn and i dnt tink any of my post is causing an injury to any1. Blackmail, to my understandin, is to fabricate lies against someone. Ok tell me, where in all my post, hav i blackmaild someone or an organization. Some of wat i, and some other contributors, are quotin were actually old and immediate JW publications. Some respondents actually quoted watchtower magazines printed by WTBTS and u call dat blackmail. Evrytin in there is written in black and white. If u say human being make mistakes, yes its true and globally acceptable. If u say the apostles of old really anticipated the comin of the messiah u r correct. But non fix dates, eg 1914, as time of 'his presence' cos it all amount to bringin the gospel of christ into ridicule. Mathew 24 gave us an ample sign or event that must occur before the comin of the messiah. The scripture described likely events, natural disasters on a global scale, nations going on war, as a sign to herald his comin. Jesus further said the 'time of my comin knw man knws'. I dnt tink u r familiar with Berth serim of 1925. Where JW predited the comin to earth of great men of faith which was later proved false (u can prove me wrong). Last yr an american evangelical pastor predited the end of the world and he failed, he shifted the date backward and it failed again. Hw do u see the man? A false prophet or not? Or just a human error? If tomorow someone quoted that man as a false prophet can he accuse any1 for cheap blackmail? Na waooo.

yes, that is the difference, between JW and other MOG's

the JW dont give prophesy or fixed a day for the end of the world.

And they never did cus nobody knows.

UnLike the man you refered to, the JW are not like that.

The JW will show you what the bible says from your bible and not from there head.

You have twisted what the JW said on the days you are quoting here.

1914 date is a bible base calculation and if you wish to know meet them when they come to your house which they will surely do and they will show it to you.

On one of the thread on this forum that some one opened "Jehovah's witnesses question and answer board"

the proof for 607BCE was given there and if need be i can copy it here.

1914 is not said to be the date for the end of the world and we all know that no one knows that date,
but the 1914 calculation shows the year that christ Started His rule in heaven when he casted satan out from heaven to the earth, this calculation is not a JW calculation but a bible base calculation.

This calculation can be verified from the JW anytime any day if it is not a bible base calculation, that you dont know about the calculation is not JW fault.

You people are just twisting what JW says as to black mail them.

true2god: With due apology i never meant to insult. I believe we r reasoning together but somehw on a slightly different dimension. Note dat im not blackmailin any1 or organizatn and i dnt tink any of my post is causing an injury to any1. Blackmail, to my understandin, is to fabricate lies against someone. Ok tell me, where in all my post, hav i blackmaild someone or an organization. Some of wat i, and some other contributors, are quotin were actually old and immediate JW publications. Some respondents actually quoted watchtower magazines printed by WTBTS and u call dat blackmail. Evrytin in there is written in black and white. If u say human being make mistakes, yes its true and globally acceptable. If u say the apostles of old really anticipated the comin of the messiah u r correct. But non fix dates, eg 1914, as time of 'his presence' cos it all amount to bringin the gospel of christ into ridicule. Mathew 24 gave us an ample sign or event that must occur before the comin of the messiah. The scripture described likely events, natural disasters on a global scale, nations going on war, as a sign to herald his comin. Jesus further said the 'time of my comin knw man knws'. I dnt tink u r familiar with Berth serim of 1925. Where JW predited the comin to earth of great men of faith which was later proved false (u can prove me wrong). Last yr an american evangelical pastor predited the end of the world and he failed, he shifted the date backward and it failed again. Hw do u see the man? A false prophet or not? Or just a human error? If tomorow someone quoted that man as a false prophet can he accuse any1 for cheap blackmail? Na waooo.

yes, that is the difference, between JW and other MOG's

the JW dont give prophesy or fixed a day for the end of the world.

And they never did cus nobody knows.

UnLike the man you refered to, the JW are not like that.

The JW will show you what the bible says from your bible and not from there head.

You have twisted what the JW said on the days you are quoting here.

1914 date is a bible base calculation and if you wish to know meet them when they come to your house which they will surely do and they will show it to you.

On one of the thread on this forum that some one opened "Jehovah's witnesses question and answer board"

the proof for 607BCE was given there and if need be i can copy it here.

1914 is not said to be the date for the end of the world and we all know that no one knows that date,
but the 1914 calculation shows the year that christ Started His rule in heaven when he casted satan out from heaven to the earth, this calculation is not a JW calculation but a bible base calculation.

This calculation can be verified from the JW anytime any day if it is not a bible base calculation, that you dont know about the calculation is not JW fault.

You people are just twisting what JW says as to black mail them.

plaetton: Peace indeed.
As long as we can maintain peace while dealing with plurality of opinions, let peace reign.

what is plurality of opinion when you subtract from the bible at will and add to it at will?

Why not say you are given your personal opinion?

Deceit!

plaetton: I gladly accept.

i hope your common stance is not due to conveniences due to inherent weaknesses?

diluminati: God was always with the isrealites in victory and in punishing them. So he didnt fail in both aspects. This means the isrealites didnt need his consent to be with them all the time, he was with them even against their will and when they didnt even want him. Coz you would ask why didnt God just leave them when they followed other gods?. Please reason with commonsense. Judah's victory or punishment or failure wasnt a result of his freewill but a question of Gods omnipotent. If he choosed isreal as the choosen people, God had a major role to play in keeping that promise right? So Judahs failure is a question of Gods omnipotent abilities. It wasnt Judahs freewill but God couldnt drive the iron chariot people out, also consider your old testament isrealite way of life with their God. Hope you reason with commonsense

your questions shows lack of dept.

Why did Yahweh not leave the Isrealite?

Answer = he did not leave the israelite that are Abraham seed since he had promise to produce the masaiah through Abraham's seed, QED.

And that is because whatever Yahweh says must come to past. Isaiah 55:11

the rest of what you said is not worthy of my effort.

plaetton: This is no record of such a monumental event ever tooking place.

what then is called "cherrypicking"

you simply wish to believe whatever you want why should that be my problem?

My replying you on this thread is to prevent you that cherrypicks from the bible from using you lies to deceive people,.

You know that satan use something as normal as bread to try to deceive Jesus, and that is exactly what you are doing right now.

The inexperience will imagine they are learning something new from you not knowing that you and the bible are enemies.

Talk on what religion does that is wrong and is not even base on the bible and stop twisting what you dont even understand the way it operate.

Peace

Sweetnecta: @Nakash:

well, you seem to be making some sense though.

But the sense you are passing over is destroying the hadith that contain the pilars of islam.

You really need to come up with something better.

Again, the muslim community/islam are still into the marriage of 9years old kid today.

I have picture of mass marriage of 9years old kids by grown up men in an islam community. About 15 marriages.

I hope i wont have to upload this pictures to drive home my points.

So, how can one excuse this and accept that the hadith was wrong as you claim?

Sweetnecta: ^^^ You can't even write out Sweetnecta? Na wa for you.
Where did I agree that Muhammad [sa] married a prepubescence and therefore justify marriage of underage, as in not adult by not reaching puberty, yet?

I am a he. Woman or man, speak the truth about me. Speak and encourage others to speak the truth about Muhammad [sa].

What your senator did is condemnable and his society, he, the society of the prepubescence bride and her parents are all to be blamed.

where did the senator learned that such a marriage will be acceptable?

Is it not from islam and muhamad?

Where will he take such child bride to and he will be accepted, is it not in the mosque?

Which environment will Acct such marriage?

Is it not the islam community?

Which set/group of people are busy marrying 6/9 years old kids today?

Is it not still the muhamad followers = islam?

It is insanity!

This mod dont seems to listen to the complains in this forum.

plaetton: A whole lot of baloney

suite yourself.

IT is not compulsory.

When your satan got herod to kill all children of two years you considered it a "fairytells"

you cant even or knew who was behind it

the bible says that stan blinds people, so watch yourself 2corinths 4:4

plaetton: Do you really want me to answer your questions in bolded?
The answer is YES.
I could open an entire thread just to prove it to you.

the issue of Yaweh and is action is what people dont seems to understand.

People will expect Yahweh to explain to them every reason for what he did.

Consider the discussion between Abraham and Yahweh recorded in the book of GENESIS 18:22 to 33.
This is concerning Lot and the destruction of sodom and Gomorah. Pls read.

Lets say you are the president of a country will you be so humble to entertain so much questions from your slave on an issue you very well know you have all the facts and that your slave is on the wrong?

Just imagine that you are the universal sovereign, will you be so patient to xplain to Abraham befor taken action?

If it is obvious That such kind banter with Abraham was a west of time you think that the universal soverign should continually get into such explanations right?

How large then will the book the bible be?

The example we learn from Yahweh dealing in the past is there to give reason that he is a God of justice in whom there is no unrigtheousness.

The thing that escape people notice is the fact that satan has always been Around and ready to thwart the plans of Yahweh.

Satan has allways been on this to prevent the arrival of the seed(masaiah).

Up till the time that Jesus appeared on earth he still made effort to detail him.

The bible is not dedicated to the story of satan but to the plans of God but only discuss satan when it is absolutely necessary.

If satan was not always around why will the book of Revelation dwell on how satan will be removed?

That Yahweh that know how satan is trying to thwart his plans and takes proper measure and not taking chances you will called him to questioning.

Can a man be on the right while Yahweh is on the wrong?

May God forbid such.

Imagine the vessel calling the vessel maker foolish

Most actions in the bible is written with the ideal that one will learned from Yahweh past dealing and put trust in him.

If one that cannot even add a year to his few years on this earth but wish to duel on his persive fault on Yahweh when he does not have all the facts it is not an issue to Yahweh.

But he wish that people should have an humble heart to read inbetween the lines and where he does not understand he should know that it is this Yahweh that kickstarted all this at the first place all for the betterment of man.

If someone says he does not want, fine and well it is never compulsory, it is only meant to serve as a witness that is all.

The trick star here is satan that has ever hidden his true identity from man but not Yahweh, Yahweh knows him well and simply wants humans to trust him like an infant will trust his earthly father.

Come to look at it who had given Adam all the good?

He wants to put satan out of the way and restore us back to his earlier plans but satan wants to remain incharge of what he got by arm twisting Adam.

(I notice that you brought Elijah's issue up on another thread, same principle applies.) Yahweh cant explain
all the time like he did with Abraham about the part satan plays.

The bible is no fancy book doctored to meet your fancy.

When satan engineered that herod should kill all kids of two years to get the masaiah you wont see it but calls it a "fairytells"
(sheen your eyes)