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Ndipe: How about telling God to fight your battles? Is that a sin also? How can you tell God to fight your battles and at the same time pray to Him to bless your enemies? Well, God never lies, He never fails.

is your belief and utterances not suppose to be guided by what the bible says?

If you dont know what the bible says on this issues why not say so?

true2god: Ok keep soundin vry ridiculous. Who did the calcualation? Who sanctioned the calculation? Who has the right to give another bogus date? Who has the right to nullify the date? The ansa is the JW GB. U r defending wat u hav no right to sanction, contribute to, or do ur own research, except the one tailored for u to acept. Are u telling me that the prediction of 1925 (berth-sarim) can be nullified by the GB as false while the 1914 shuld remain? Or the 1984 and 1994 which had been declarred null and void. If all other dates they forcasted had been declared null and void, wat gives u the impression dat 1914 date is not false? My broda dnt tink like a programmed robort, use ur God-given wisdom.

it is obvious You dont know.

But i know the calculation and it is ok with me.

Why are you forcing your opinion on me?

Must i follow your foot steps?

You are taking drugs for my own headech,

why are you not even bothered by the extortion taking place in the church?

The JW are not a party to that, but you will not see it, your interest are on your twisted dates that dont convey the truth of what the JW said.

Mee234: Any question the muslems can not answer or anything that shows the indecency of muhamed is from anti-islamic site.

is the hadith anti islamic?

Jenwitemi: Hahahaha! That is all angles covered, eh, anony. Give up and accept that your god is a nothing, a nobody pretending to be what he is NOT and will never be. Omnishege!

guy,
is this you?

If this was a weekend i would have concluded that you are browsing with some bottles.

However, what ever you are on pass it round naa!

Jenwitemi: Hahahaha! That is all angles covered, eh, anony. Give up and accept that your god is a nothing, a nobody pretending to be what he is NOT and will never be. Omnishege!

guy,
is this you?

If this was a weekend i would have concluded that you are browsing with some bottles.

However, what ever you are on pass it round naa!

MacDaddy01: Why has the thread not been moved back to the islam section?

https://www.nairaland.com/1024221/difficult-issues-islam

I think the mod need to step up his game.

There is this thread on muhamad being a womaniser, we were all learning one or two things from it, the next time i wanted to go through it, it has gone from the board and i was later told it has been moved to the islam section.

It was really frustrating.

Considering that the thread was open for the open religious section.

Quite unfair.

How will people learn when information is hidden?

speeder: In total amazement

why are you amaze?

plaetton: We have all been made to believe that the bIblical god Yahweh was an omnipotent god upon whose power, the the ancient Isrealites destroyed al their enemies.
Well, sorry to burst your bubble. Not me, but this obscure biblical verse that is never ever read out in church shows that Yahweh is not as omnipotent as we have been intimidated to believe.

In this verse,it clearly states :

And the Lord was with Judah: and he slew and drove out the inhabitants of the mountains; but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. . Judges 1:19

This is a very significant bombshell. It means that the lord was with Judah to drive out the weaklings of the mountain, but when confronted with superior firepower and iron chariots of the valley dwellers, the omnipotent power of the Lord could not prevail.

Any comments?

did the vas say that it was God that was hand fighting or it was the tribe of Judah that was doing the fighting?

But that the lord was with him/them that they will not be defeated, or that they will succeed in getting the land

If it was the lord himself that was doing the fighting with his own hand was it that the men body was iron that the lord that is a spirit person cannot kill them?

Or is it that there chariot was iron and that made them immortal that the lord that is a spirit can not see them or be able to kill them?

Did you think Yahweh just enjoys killing people?

I think that scripture is simply reporting honest history without adding or sugger coating it.

Meaning that the lord was with Judah, but that Judah for reasons best known to him decided not to confront them since their chariot is of iron chariot.

Was it that he went back to prepare his men for the challenge the scriptures did not say.

What if he had concluded that they are not of imediete threat?

DID you also see Vers 22 ? It also said that the lord was with them though another tribe?

Did you also see Vers 27 they did not also drive those inhabitant away.

That chapter is filled with the record of town that the other tribes did not drive out though the lord was with them, till Vers35.

The lord being with them was not a reference to individual but to the different tribes that made up the 12 tribes of israel.


maybe the lord being with them help them to identify the nations that will be of eminent threat.

Did you feel that Yahweh is unreasonable that he kills arbitrary?

Yaweh allows killing only when it is justified/ has reason and absolutely necessary even though some verses may not go into detail.

If not killing them will still Guarranties them the land in question why then take chances with the life of his men?

It was usually a confrontation with casualties on both sides.

[quote author=E_monkey]Early marriage was a common custom among the Arabs back then. It was a widespread and accepted thing in their Arab traditions and was not done because of Islamic tenets.


He did no such thing. Quote the hadith to show that he did it.[/quote]well, i hope you are saying the truth.

On this forum a guy nakash or so said he did and quoted an iranian of so source.

but if this things are lies it should not be difficult for the islam guys to defend him?

true2god: Tanks for ur response. If im correct the term christendom u assume here are all other xtain denominations aside frm JW cos JW is not part of the chritendom and i stand to be corrected here. Ok, u made mention of shepherds in the 'christendom'. They are leaders and can take responsibilities and criticism anytime they go wrong on xtain principles or teachings. At least those pple u mentioned do not exist in secrecy: they are public figures. Even non xtains knw dem. But the pple that are consist of the JW GB are anonymous, i stand to be corrected if im wrong by u mentioning their names. At least biblical prophets, teachers, apostles, even rabbis have their names mentioned in the bible and are well knwn bible characters. Even today's men of God are public figures. They are knwn, there lifestyles are predictable, they are criticised, even in the media, anytime they deviate. This gives room for checks and balances for pple in leadership. But thats not the case for JW GB. U cant question their doctrinal authority or else u will be shunned or disfellowship. Watever they say must be acepted hook, line and sinker without verification. Afterall they are the 'earthly mediators' between JW members and Jehohah. Besides, thats y u cant hold anyone responsible for the new and the old light stuff cos the authors are mask in secresy. Anyway the issue here is that if other yrs that were predited had been nullifies as 'errors', why is 1914 still revered? That my simple question.

am surprises that you youself cannot see that from what you have said that the JW dont follow any man as a "MOG"

they simply follow what the bible says and as such there is no need to project man.

So, all you have is your bible and you as a JW, not to wait on somebody.

If you want to follow the bible absolutely then go to JW, if you then feel or see that they dont follow the bible why should you even join them at the first place?

You dont need to see any body/man "GB" face to serve/follow God so they dont need to project any man.

the bible is there final authority QED.

The issue of 1914 is a bible base calculation that shows when the masaiah will start his ruling after sitting at the right hand of God all along.

You dont even know what the bible says that is why you want to change God's plans. A calculation that start and ends in 1914 from the bible you want it change?

Since you dont know God's plans why not meet the JW to put you through?

JW dont change dates once they dont fixe date, they explain the bible the way it is.

The bible gives signs to help us know we are living in the last days, if you dont like that, then, that is your person. Opinion.
Dont force it on others.

God will not bend because of your wishes it is mortals that bends.

If someone tells you that JW change dates it is because the person does not have all the facts.

They dont owe you an apology cus they did not fixed a date that "nobody knows"
how can they fixed a date?

Liars you are. If you did not understand what happened why not ask them?

if someone gives you an apology it is in error cus they have done you no wrong.

Some one is ensuring to do God's will and you are bent on making it heavier on him

you will not/want to even want to get involve except collect tith and defraud people and you come talk lies on top of your laziness in doing God's will.

Have alife.
Peace

Joagbaje: if you want to discuss inteligibly i may consider. but if youre out to rain insults, count me out of this getto street fight. thanks.

if what i have said are false then you will have what to tell me.

If what i have said annoyed you how then do you think all those that have been defrauded of their money in the name of tith will feel?

Tithing is not for christians.

but christians are to use their resources for worship voluntarily.
Not under compulsion but from the heart because God loves a cheerful giver. = = "voluntary"

That is the standard for christians.

Nobody should or will suffer for non payment of tight cus all should do what is hard work with their hands as to have enough for themself and to give to those that are in need.

QED

OLAADEGBU: Who said that you don't meet together? and for what purpose?

they meet together to study the bible and from there the move to do their preaching from house to house.
That is their work to teach people the bible.

They dont meet together to collect tith.

They dont meet together to collect offering.

OLAADEGBU: Who said that you don't meet together? and for what purpose?

they meet together to study the bible and from there the move to do their preaching from house to house.
That is their work to teach people the bible.

They dont meet together to collect tith.

They dont meet together to collect offering.

Niflheim: my last and final contribution focuses on the works of j.c. Venter who created synthetic life forms by injecting carbon producing bacteria into algae cells to produce algae that releases carbon instead of oxygen,and can be used as a more efficient biofuel................ALGAE THAT PRODUCES CARBON INSTEAD OF ABSORBING IT?...............THINK OF ALL THE OTHER NUMEROUS POSSIBILITIES............THANK GOD(OR IS IT SATAN) THAT I AM NOT A FOOLISH CHRISTIAN!!!

yea, great guy,

algae that he created

Are we saying that man has not made archivement?

Niflheim: please forgive me for deviating from the main topic,but i want you guys to read up on the METHUSELAH FOUNDATION which made a mouse live for 5 and a half years even though their average life span is 2 years.they know that aging is a disease but due to 'christian hypocritical ethics',they have not been able to experiment on humans!!!

ok, agreed, the mice then lived ever and ever here

So, let them keep it up, Thats cool.

Man will then live ever and ever here, not hereafter.

That wont Be a bad thing, it will only turn me to an atheist.

Or, is that a bad thing?

Niflheim: please forgive me for deviating from the main topic,but i want you guys to read up on the METHUSELAH FOUNDATION which made a mouse live for 5 and a half years even though their average life span is 2 years.they know that aging is a disease but due to 'christian hypocritical ethics',they have not been able to experiment on humans!!!

ok, agreed, the mice then lived ever and ever here

So, let them keep it up, Thats cool.

Man will then live ever and ever here, not hereafter.

That wont Be a bad thing, it will only turn me to an atheist.

Or, is that a bad thing?

OLAADEGBU: Your Society is categorised as a Cult for a reason.

you have become God to have the final say.

You and your friends keep posting lies on a thread and think it is good to deceive people.

The bible that says that one should know the truth of what the bible says to have eternal life.

but you and your deeper life teach lies from the bible and this can cost people their life.

What i have only done here is point out the false hood/threat/exploitation that you and your deeper life are spreading and you call me a culttist.

do culttist teach the bible?

I see JW go around to teach people what the bible say, meet them they will be very willing to proof/show you what they teach from the bible.

Look at what you just did right now calling me a culttist for expressing my freedom on an issue. On a bible matter.

That is how you heap lies Against The JW for their saying the truth.

Jesus said that
"a lamp cannot be lit and put under the measuring basket but will be put on top of the table for all to see," likewise he added "let you light shine befor all men so that they will see your good works and give praise to your father who is in heaven"

I see the JW going round every day to let their light to shine befor all men,

is it because of that that you and your deeper life hate them?

Is TV and internet no longer a sin?

Look who is talking.

[quote author=frank3.16]@ poster, I don't know what religion u worship ur God in, but I will suggest u concentrate more on pleasin ur God by doin his will at all times instead of bashin and sayin tins about other peoples religion.

Honestly as a Christian,I am sick all this bashin of other peoples religion especially between the Christians and moslem. What happene to freedom of religion and respect for other peoples religion. If anyman chooses to whorship stones how does that affect u.

Pls Christians let moslems be and let them follow Mohammed, amd moslems let us follow our Jesus. Bashin each other will never help us[/quote]that is if that religion allows others to live there lives while the live theirs.

Are you not aware that your just talking can lead them to kill you?

How are we sure it is to prevent you from knowing what they worship that give room for the threat and killing?

men, speak the truth and call black black, if not, may a 50 years old man marry your 9yrs old daughter?
Otherswise you make yourself a hypocrite.

[quote author=E_monkey]The problem with you people is that you start threads with bias against Muslims already firmly planted in your hearts and so whenever you are told that a statement you posted is false, you immediately protest and go to google to search for all manner of falsified information from anti Islamic sites and then come back to claim that your falsified info is the 'truth' and the Muslims are trying to hide the truth.
You claim that the Hadiths you posted were authentic; what makes you so sure? Are you an Islamic scholar? An Ustadh? I don't know what got you banned or which of your posts was hidden but you people have to learn to start threads with good intentions and not with the intention of making trouble/insulting Islam and Muslims if you don't want to keep getting banned.[/quote]are you saying that you hadith dont contain the info that muhamad got married to a 9yrs old child?

Are you saying that he did not thigh a 6yrs old girl?

Is it not the same hadith that contain the pilar of islam?

Gbamar: If you want to be 'Islamically educated' on this issue Sincerely login in to 'ISLAM FOR MUSLIM' .( There you will be properly be enlighten)

i dont want to be ban,

i learnt that the mod bans people that goes their to ask questions.

Why not out of duty try explaining to my knowledge here on this thread if those things that have been said about the muhamad of a guy is wrong?

manmustwac: Thankyou Goshen360

do you feel that what it contain is too ugly to be left in the open forum?

Pls, we need and liked the thread the way it is and where it was.

Pls, and pls,

return the thread to where it was unless you are a party to concealing what you know to be bad.

Give them the opportunity to defend/convince us that muhamad was a saint and is worthy of all the authority ascribed to him.

I always see you as an honest fellow.

Pls.

Goshen360: @ truthislight,

Next time, just do a search with the name of the thread and you will have it come up. The thread you mentioned was moved to the "Islam for Muslim" session and here is the link: https://www.nairaland.com/1021779/prophet-mohammed-womaniser-quran

God bless you brother.

but how will non moslem read/know about islam if all about them is sent to the islam section/kept in arabic?

That thread should have been left where the op opened it, or do you think he made a mistake for opening it on the open forum?

Now i cant reply to it as easy as i use to.

Delafruita: what exactly is a "true christian"?a person is either a christian or he isnt a christian.a christian is one who follows the myth of christ as espoused by the bible and then takes it upon himself to indoctrinate others into his line of reasoning by threatening them with a fiery fire that will burn forever.some "christians" have even visited this fire and all have different accounts of who they saw,the procedure they followed and their tour guide.
christians are followers of the christ of the bible and are not necessarily adherrents of the laws of yahweh which is why some have decided to worship jesus as god.
one unfortunate thing about a christian is his inability to fully understand christianity.for example,a careful study of the gospel according to mark describes jesus as been a man.there is no mention of virgin birth and there is extra-ordinary feature attached to the man except for mark16:9-20 where he describes an ascension.however,these verses have been proven to be an interpolation and have subsequently been removed by some bible translators.
luke decides to ascribe the status of a demi-god on jesus and if luke's accounts in acts of apostles are to be considered,there is a penchant for exaggerating things as evidenced in his account of paul's conversion on the road to damascus.
john then decides that been a man and been a demi-god are too demeaning.he calls jesus god.this shouldnt be suprising since john's account contradict the three others on many accounts.
mattew on the other hand is a good writer of fiction.only he narrates herod killing all children below 2 years of age.only he claims that an earthquake occured after crucifixion and that the dead came to the surface of the earth.
then we come to monsieur paul.its suprising that the man accorded the title of father of christianity never recorded the virgin birth.infact,he never talked about a single miracle performed by jesus.he never mentioned the sermon on the mount(which is regarded as jesus most important message).he never mentioned the teachings of jesus.he never met jesus,never sighted him and never recorded his deeds.
therefore in my opinion,a "true christian" is a person who has willingly submittted himself to the idea of a christ that apparently never lived and is a creation of men

hey guy,
you have been missing in action,

welcome back.

There is this thread that is dwelling on muhamad wish you were around to give ur input.

One saying that muhamad is a womaniser has been moved to the islam section by the Mod.

It contain some seriouse info.

D P

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Wow dude, why don't you just read what he is saying then point out specific parts that you feel are not in line with scripture and then he can explain himself. Attacking him merely because he didn't say "it is written" and "thus says the Lord" enough times for you is just not the way to go.[/quote]if you and i are able to see his write up as not being scriptural, what will happen to some one that does no know the bible/truth?

Will the person not swallow all and conclude that it is the word of God?

How else do YOU think deceit comes in?

true2god: Gd morning kokolete007, i am not a deeperlife member and not compuksry to be to understand the honest bible truth. As a matter of fact i studied, before, with one or two JW friends before deciding to halt it. Before JW, the church in general knew that we are in the 'last days' and had always being anticipating the comin of the lord (act 2). But non did ever fix a particular date or use any unreliable chronology to to do mathematics of 'his presence' (a term used only after series of failed predictions). We understand ourselves here better cos we r xtains, if u fix a date of christ's presence to a non-xtain that neva come to pass for once u only bring xtainity into disrepute and serios questioning. The other issues u guys brought up: trinity\hell\heaven\immortality of the soul etc do not fall within the confine of this discussion so no need to derail frm the issue at hand. U can as well start a thread on those topics for us to discuss with biblical refereces. Anyway for once im not a beliver in purgatory. And remember dat over 90% of ur new light had at one time or the other, being propagated by 'seventh day adventist' so its never new and they have discarded a whole lot of dem. I am happy u guys hav, at least for once, admitted that its not ok to fix any 'prophetic date' but y is the 1914 'trade mark' not jettisoned just as the other dates had been dropped. Is it not the same 'research' dat gav room for 1914 dat gave room for other dates that had been assumed 'mistakes'? I knw u might be waiting for official confirmation frm the GB on dis date before u take ur decision since they r the ones that tell u wat to believe as bible truth and wat not to accept. Im 100% sure dat if the next edition of watchtower nullifies 1914 u will follow suit. Dis does not give room for independent thinkin since all JW align their beliefs only on wat the GB say through the watchtower magazine. Dnt accuse me of puttin so much emphasy on JW failed prediction cos thats wat the thread is all about.

those are simple lies.

You guys simply twisted what the JW said and spread it on the internet, to deceive people.

The JW dont fixed date all they do is calculate what you dont even know exist in the bible and leave it at that.

Are you saying that since you dont know what is contain in the bible that no body should explain God's purpose for the whole world?

Right now you are a member of a nameless religion cus you have ulterior motive, why not come out clean you the honest man and say what church you belong Lets then compare?

Are you churchless? Then you are doing the dirty work for satan your master.

The bible says one should know the truth then the truth will set them free, and it is the knowledge of God as contain in the bible that leads to eternal life, and the JW teach the truth as found in God's word the bible.
meaning that the JW has what is required by God for eternal life.

JW shows what is contain in the bible, that you guys dont understand it is the question you should be asking yourself.

It looks as though that the only thing you have against the JW is this twisted date you guys made up, a side that there is no other.

Lets see,

1. Christians should be preachers to the whole world matthew 24:14 and matthew 28:19,20

they score 100/100

you score less

2. Teach truth from the bible (doctrine)

JW score 100/100 basing all their teaching in the bible.

You score less with all your pegan believe
and fraudulent tith

3. Christian should be seperat from the world JW score 100/100

you score zero (0/100) since you are part of the world

4. christians should have love among themself as an identifying mark. And unity.

the JW score 100/100

you score zero (0/100) couse you kill yourself in wars of the nations. Deeper life kill deeper life in wars were they go as soldiers. Nigerian deeper life christian kills cameroonian deeperlife christian soldiers.

No JW is in the armed forces of any nation all over the world....... Etc etc etc.

As a package there is no basis for comparism.

But you come to this forum to deceive people because you feel that JW is busting your bubbles.

because of this you come up with this lies to black mail them.

OLAADEGBU: The fact that you don't believe in the practice of tithes, trinity, immortality of the soul, hellfire, the rapture of the saints doesn't necessarily make you a true student of the Bible, could you be wrong?

all those teachings are not bible base.

It is only teachings that are base on God's word the bible that can be called truth.

It is only the truth that can earn one eternal life in God's kingdom.

frosbel: 1.Hell fire is real but only regarding the lake of fire and destruction and punishment of sinners.

2. The rapture is also false and was propagated by John Darby and a questionable character called Schofield. Their latest prophet is Hal Lindsey who has written a best seller series called the left behind along with countless others books. He has earned millions of dollars from his books while falsely predicting events that never came to pass.

Jesus is not coming secretly, he is coming openly and all shall see him.

3. The Tithe is false and absolutely so.

Have you noticed that when you disagree with certain churches they start to label you as a heretic, backslider etc. This is precisely why Calvin killed his best friend who disagreed with him on the subject of the Trinity.

In my opinion, the fundamentals of the gospel are salvation, holiness, love, kindness, preaching the gospel and making disciples of nations. All other additions are just making a simple Gospel too complex.

you have spoken well, but God will not burn any human in literal fire.

Fire is use in the bible to differentiate between normal death that those of such will all come out through resurrection.

And the death that there will be no hope of resurrection or that God will not bring back to life. So, fire marks the difference.

Seewealth: Sometimes i dream where i fly to escape harm. In all cases i am victorious. I never flew with wings oh. B4 u think of witchcraft. I only fly with the strenght of my hand. Fellow NL is anythg bad about it or does it have a meaning

ignore it else you will soon get into trouble believing some CRAP.

dorox: On a serious note, you need special deliverance by a powerful man of god. Flying in your dreams is never a good thing, it is one of the key indicators that you have been 'gifted' with witchcraft.
The fact that you have not matured enough to start using your wings for faster and more sustained flight means that you have not started hunting as such the road back is still open to you.

you are the witch here.

Where did your knowledge come from?

dekung: @Spicy v,
The difference between your own kind of giving (plus the kind of giving your pastors preach) and the kind of giving these world billionaires engage in is while your giving is based on reaping percuniary gains such that in your mind you have programmed that if you give 1, you will reap 100 or 1000 (something that strikes me like jackpot, gambling or kalokalo) theirs is based on unfettered altruism, love for humanity and kindness to the human race. While your own reward is in monetary terms theirs is in the satisfaction that someone would, thru their giving, live a day longer, be able to walk again and live a fulfiled life here on this blue planet. If for a moment I choose to be a christian then I believe Jesus will be a lot happier with these atheist billionaires than he will be with you or your jet flying pastors. You have another opportunity to be altruistic. There is a young lady I heard about on the cool fm radio today who has cancer on her shoulder blade. She is a recent graduate of law from the University of Lagos but this cancer is threatening to cut her Iife short. Show some altruism, show a little kindness, go to any GTB branch and ask for Funmi Lawal's account. She needs N4m for surgery, I learnt today from Nairaland and Linda Ikeji's blog that Don Jazzy has already donated N2m to this lady. Go ahead and confirm and give whatever you can. You may not get any reward for this but you would have contributed to saving a life. You pastors may not give you the opportunity to give cos they would have collected all your money in form of tithes, offerings and other outrages donations but pls go out of you way to help this poor lady by giving some money for her suggery.

Peace!

this so call preachers are the west pipe of Nigeria, they dont produce any thing to the nation GDP rather they extort and make people lazy and sit down and look for miracles.

If they dont preach that rot, lots of young men will use there brain and think of how to be creative and design things.

Infect christianity will have been a blessing since a morally sound young person will be very useful in channelling his mind without immoral distraction to any worthwhile endeavours/design.
But as it is they have been made lazy with miracles promises.

Greed blinds the individual mind and kills the conscience.

Joagbaje: You're missing it. The point here is the difference between levitical order and Melchizedek order. Levitical priesthood came with the law. Men die under this priesthood. But Melchizedek order has not record of death. Tithing was instituted under this order. So it started with Melchizedek ,then levitical now we are back to Melchizedek . Because Jesus was made a high priest under the order of Melchizedek . One major thing he was known for was tithe

actually you are the one that have miss it all that is why you are supporting the fraud going on in churches.

That scripture says that in the former arrangement that it was men that are dying that receive tith.

Note, FORMER ARRANGEMENT.

And that has been replace with a better arrengemen and as the things of the former like sacrifices and tith that men that are dying received have gone with the former arrangement. Heb 7:8 to end of chapter.

Our new high priest is christ that lives. Heb 7:8

we now operate a new convanant with christ as high priest.

It is a new convanant that is why it can accomodate us non Israelite.

Psalm 147:19,20 says " he has shown his word to jacob, his statute and judment unto Israel 20, he has not done such unto any nation and as for his judment they have not know them.

Now, are we Jews/Israel that you greedy extortionist are dealing/collecting tith from?

Where then is the light load that christ promise to christians?

Why are you collecting only tith why not also make animal sacrifice since you dont like the new arrangement?

419 in pastor skin.

All former crooks and 419 without conscience and fear of God have run into churches for selfish extortionary reasons that has nothing to do with the bible you can still open you mouth to insult God on top of it that God needs tith.

Just look at the MOG, all of them, randy guys that have no control of their dick and lust after materialism cheats.

Tith is Not for christians but you still love other people hard earn man money that you cannot produce for your self, infact, you guys are a disgrace, criminals.

^^^^
@ i dont know what sort of Mod we have on NL.

They have moved the other thread
"muhamad was a womaniser~quran"

since the mod does this i think a another thread should be open consistently so we can address this issue and give the muslim the oportunity to educate us.

Lets hope they wont move this
Thanks

nakash: Like any brainwashed zombie Lagoshia (sp) will declare that you need to quote the quran to prove what you claim. He will refuse to accept the hadiths claiming that only the quran is authentic. Just ask him Show me where the quran mentions Jerusalem . For your point of info Raymond Ibrahim offered 1m dollars to anyone who would show him where Jerusalem is mentioned in the Quran. No one has claimed the price years later. They claim its mentioned in the hadiths. Yet the same hadiths say Muhammad pillaged, raped, attacked defenceless people, enslaved, married 6 year old which they then dismiss as fake hadiths. Ask them where the quran says they should pray 50 times a day ( later abrogated to 5) facing mecca and why they should use water to wipe their asses after defeacating they will quote the same hadiths and sunna to justify.Even facing Mecca when praying they will quote their sources that they dismiss as not authentic when it does not favour them.

are you calling them hypocrite?