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thehomer: Here you go. I hope you'll also be willing to present your evidence when you're asked for it.

thehomer: I don't think he implied it was an evolutionary step.

Ihedinobi: Sorry. This is how I write. I don't really need people to believe me. If any true Christian reads me, he'll whip his Bible out. That's the idea.

OLAADEGBU: And who are you to tell us whether tithes are biblical or not? Do you even believe God exists talkless of believing in the infallibility of the Word of God?

The fact that atheists, satanists, false teachers and backslidders all agree that the practise of tithing is unbiblical doesn't mean that you are right because one with God is more than a majority.

OLAADEGBU: I meant what I said with the statement 'doctrines of the Bible'. The doctrines of the church is also the doctrines of the Bible. Below is an abridged form of the Bible doctrines we believe. How many of them do you object to?

http://dclm.org/AboutUs/WhatWeBelieve/DoctrinesShortForm/tabid/158/Default.aspx

Ptolomeus: Well Olaa ...
A man can not be wrong all the time ...
If you live at the expense of the tithe (which as noted is indeed immoral iun)
At least he should seduce fools into paying ...

OLAADEGBU: Having attended 'deeper life' for a few years, are you saying that you didn't learn any of the doctrines of the Bible or you did but just didn't believe in them?

OLAADEGBU: While it may be true that some do idolise Pastor Kumuyi but don't say what you don't know. He is doing his best to discourage us from doing idolising him. I once witnessed him telling off the congregation who were missed him after being away abroad for some missionary trips. He told us off by saying that something to the effect that: 'Am I God'? He made us realise that whether he is around or not we should come to church to worship God and not man.

If you have personal problems with the church I'll advise you to sort it out instead amicably instead of this campaign of calumny.

true2god: You must be a good attorney in the making. But i must tell u dat 1914, just like dec 25 or xmas day, has no biblical backin at all. U said fixing date does no harm to pple but dats not true. Do u knw the number of career dat were destroyed wen u guys predicted 1975 as the end or the date for armagdon? Do u knw the psychological impact it had on the pple dat put their hope on the dates that were erroneosly predicted? Do u actually knw that so many JW abandoned their career with the hope of a better life in paradise earth after 1975? I think u hav a limited knowledge of the impact these failed prophecies had on pple. One of your articles actually encouraged pple not to take their professions serios but to engage in active publishin work 'for the end is near'. Dats the few negetive impacts ur failed predictions had on pple.

true2god: My argument here is this, if the JW GB had nullified all other dates as 'misunderstandin' why are they still stickin to their 1914 trade mark? If they are human beings that make mistakes by quotin and giving bogus date as an interpertation to the fulfilment of bible prophecy, nullified other dates as 'mistakes' and upheld 1914 as truth, wats the rationale behind retaining 1914? Is it not the same 'research' that gave right to 1914 gave right to other nullified dates? Unless u dnt want to admit the inconsistencies in ur doctrines, JW r renouned for. Admitted, pple make mistakes but had there been anytime JW GB aplogiz for their mistakes? The ansa is No. If someone cannot aplogiz for mistakes dat shws dat hes bent on continue makin the same mistakes. If u want to be honest hw r u sure they wont change some of their present beliefs in 5 yr time. Anyway u r not in the position to ansa because wat u r meant to accept as true or false is handed down to u frm brooklyn, NY.

true2god: Ijawkid pls r u now sayin dat JW now have a better understandin of Bible chronology unlike before that they didnt hav a good understanding? Do u knw the millions of pple dat were misled owing to this gross misunderstanding? Wat apology did they offer for their errors? Wat is the tendency dat wat they believe today as truth wont be false tomorrow? The fact is that before u release any info to the public u must do a good scrutiny and ensure that wat u r tellin the publc is true. My bone of contention is that if other dates that the JW GB fixed had been assumed false, why are they still keepin to the 1914 dogma. If 1918; 1925; 1975; 1984 had all bein nullified as 'misunderstandin', wat about 1914?

Goshen360: Those who are deluded to pray such prayers and their leader(s) are all deluded. They don't even know their real enemy hence, they fight imaginary battle that God didn't sanction. We do not have such example within the NT Church practices.

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We can chat well and discuss this pertinent issues..

OLAADEGBU: When Adam stayed out very late for a few nights, Eve became upset.

"You're running around with other women," she charged,

"You're being unreasonable," Adam responded, "You're the only woman on earth."

The quarrel continued until Adam fell asleep, only to be awakened by someone poking him in the chest. It was Eve.

"What do you think you're doing?" Adam demanded.

"Counting your ribs," said Eve.

-- J. John and Mark Stibbe

OLAADEGBU: When Adam stayed out very late for a few nights, Eve became upset.

"You're running around with other women," she charged,

"You're being unreasonable," Adam responded, "You're the only woman on earth."

The quarrel continued until Adam fell asleep, only to be awakened by someone poking him in the chest. It was Eve.

"What do you think you're doing?" Adam demanded.

"Counting your ribs," said Eve.

-- J. John and Mark Stibbe

speeder: hey, i respect you cos u're one educated guy. If it were other Muslims they would have started a fight abt the answers we gave. Thanks for standing to your faith educatively. But that doesn't make it right either

OLAADEGBU: Moving on to the next question:

Do you agree with me that Jehovah will put all false prophets to shame? by not bringing to pass their false prophecy? Do you also agree that false prophets will try to hide their reason for feeling ashamed to conceal the reason for feeling shame by denying who they really are? Let your magazine speak.

"Jehovah, the God of the true prophets, will put all false prophets to shame either by not fulfilling the false prediction of such self-assuming prophets or by having His own prophecies fulfilled in a way opposite to that predicted by the false prophets. False prophets will try to hide their reason for feeling shame by denying who they really are.”—
" — Paradise Restored to Mankind—By Theocracy!, 1972, pp. 353-354

OLAADEGBU: If you have been following the prevarication of your Society that I have been posting from page 1 you would have realised that it was them changing the goalpost to keep you guys fixated on them. Since you would not touch those earlier predictions with a bar pole let's leave those and move on to your question of generation. What does your Society say or said about how long a generation would last?


"When the term 'generation' is used with reference to the people living at a particular time, the exact length of that time cannot be stated, except that the time would fall within reasonable limits. These limits would be determined by the life span of the people of that time or of that population. . . . Today, much as it was in the time of Moses, people living under favorable conditions may reach 70 or 80 years of age" — Insight on the Scriptures, vol. 1, 1988, pp. 917-918

So, If the "generation" of the "time of the end" would last up to 80 years, what date failed to bring the end as prophesied by the Society?

1914 generation + 80 years = 1994. Can you tell us how your Society excused away this false prophecy knowing that we are now living in 2012?

Again I will be posting how your Society's publication in 1995 responded to this:

"Jehovah's people have at times speculated about the time when the 'great tribulation' would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we 'bring a heart of wisdom in,' not by speculating about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we 'count our days' in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. . . . Is anything to be gained, then, by looking for dates or by speculating about the literal lifetime of a 'generation'? Far from it" — The Watchtower, November 1, 1995, p. 17, 19

OLAADEGBU: I was expecting either you or your comrades to respond to my challenges but there is no show. Let's see more questions answered by you or the GB.

What time period did the Watchtower Society say would bring “the end”?

"THE Bible speaks of the time in which we are living as the 'last days' or the ‘time of the end.' . . . The facts show that this is a limited period that has a definite beginning and a definite end. It began in 1914. . . . there are people still living who were alive in 1914 . . . 'This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' Some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. This means that only a short time is left before the end comes!" — The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, 1968, pp. 94-95

This is from your Society's publication interpreting what they think the Bible is saying about the last days. Did you see the definite beginning and end stated there?

Sweetnecta: @Abouzaid: Abouzaid, what age did holy Ghost become intimate with Mary? Did the holy ghost thigh [first indication of rape] at 14? How many times did holy ghost over shadowed and came upon her? Did the holy ghost have intimacy with his creation, the woman Mary to produce your human God Jesus? Yes or no?

abouzaid, i can respond to each of your false allegations and make your God look worse than a common criminal.

No man is ever accused of molesting his legal wife, just because she is very young to him. I know. I am married to a grown women who is very young to me. Remember your God did not marry Mary. Oh no. He didnt see fit that she was good enough to be respected, hijacking her from the hand of old man Joseph who was yet to pay for her, though your Bible says he was already "toastng" her. This whole Mary thing with the ghost God and Joseph is frosting with fraudulence activities: She did not have anything to say about "nothing".

We read that Aisha [ra] participated in the formulation of the marriage contract. You are a nigerian. How many woman you know participated in the formulation of their marriage contracts? Do you know what marriage contract is in christianity if you are? Its prenuptial agreement. Islam invented it.

Many notable nigerian married younger wives; Ojukwu was one of them. Tell me a christian in any part of the world, in any time from Paul onward who has any morality to stand up to Muhammad [sa] or any of his followers [ra]?

I will then tell you where you are completely wrong.

wiegraf: ^^^
You sound like you have issues with "smart guys". You went on a similar rant with me iirc. If "smart guys" did something wrong to you don't take it personally. There are all sorts of intelligences, "smart guys" may be dumber than you in other areas. Certain members of this forum, not to mention the outer world, prove with distinction that you don't have to be a "smart guy" to succeed. Besides, take your issues out on whoever jizzed in your breakfast, not us.

Try and understand, as far as "smart guys" are concerned, there's nothing wrong with human lifespan. Even if there were it wouldn't be critical to our survival (else we'd be extinct). Evolution doesn't have a purpose, but you're so deluded and arrogant that you think the sun shines just for you, the universe rotates around you, and an all powerful being that incidentally looks just like one of us (complete with beard, no less), your special friend that makes you feel special, loved and will give you good things if you ingratiate constantly, is trolling us.

If you have a problem with evolution being purposeless, that's your problem. Make shi.t up, but don't expect the rest of us to humour you.

tintingz: are you cra.zy or what you copy and paste from one stupi.d davidicke site...i click on the site to check the first headline I saw was "Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims
http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/
Is...perversion.htm
PedophiliaLet me begin with a quote from a
fatwa by the late and unlamented Ayatollah
Khomeini of Iran." I challenge the ex-muslim to come out for debate instead posting lies to decieve everyone, from the article NO PROVE FROM THE HADITH NOR QURAN EVEN FROM HISTORY...
1: Not all sources agree with Bukhari about
Ayesha's age, Bukhari's Hadith were not
collated until 300-odd years after Muhammad's
death. Other sources give Ayesha's age as being
16 at marriage and 19 at consummation.
2: Even if her age were 6 / 9, the custom of
taking child brides was a part of Middle-Eastern
culture. The Jews practised it as well as many of
the other nations in the Middle-East and
remember too that Mary of Nazareth's age was
probably around the 12-14 mark.
3: Customs and Traditions as well as laws were
very different then from now. What is
considered unacceptable now was not
considered anything to comment about then.
OR
Aisha, the youngest, was the daughter of his
closest companion - Abu bakr - who would
become the first person to lead the Islamic
state after Muhammad. She was nine when the
contract was written. She was thirteen when
consummated. She was also loved dearly by
Muhammad, and she, Aisha, became the one
who gave us more of Muhammad's teachings
than any other companion. She was a great
scholar of Islam. Now, Muhammad married her
by way of cementing the relationship between
he and Aisha and he and her father. That is
what marriage meant to the Arabs. And if it
happens to be that such a marriage was looked
upon as acceptable at that time and place, then
where do we get off passing judgment based
upon our time and place? Our norms?
You want to talk about looking at the fruits?
Read the life of Muhammad.

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel: calling people swines and dogs without reason is horrible.
and arguing for Jesus with words of others as you have dont is even more horrible.

was it in the tradition of the Jews to baptize? how was the new idea developed and how can the disciples know how to do conduct this new concept, considering that you said they were forgetful, the reason the holy ghost came so quickly? And how wide is this "all nations" if it is more than the 12 nations of children of Israel?


and the Jesus who said he was not but sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel wouldnt have extended his message beyond the boundary and still be obeying his Sender, if the order is true on the disciples. or are we dealing here as we would deal in "by myself I can do nothing" suddenly becoming the maker of all, while we read how Satan [lana] said he owns everything and the jews [lana to the evil doers among them] became his "biblical killers"? you dont have any evidence and you can not say because he is God while we know that Ellah is God of Jesus.


meaningless.


who advised you Jesus or somebody else? Please let us see the Gospel of Jesus not gospels mostly about Jesus. How far?

frosbel: Here's the troll again, my own God obsessed Troll

cyrexx: hmmmm. very interesting indeed.

sounds like the soldiers of christ are throwing the white flag.

nice

we can now post our threads without opposition and continue our humanitarian mission of liberating mankind from the big superstition called religion.

i think i will pop some champagne now.

* singing Rihanna's song*

Cheers to the freaking weekend
I drink to that, yeah yeah
Oh let the Jameson sink in
I drink to that, yeah yeah
Don’t let the bastards get you down
Turn it around with another round
There’s a party at the bar everybody put your glasses up and
I drink to that, I drink to that, I drink to that
(Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah)

Life’s too short to be sitting around miserable
People gonna talk whether you doing bad or good, yeah
Got a drink on my mind and my mind on my money, yeah
Looking so bomb, gonna find me a honey
Got my Ray-Bans on and I’m feeling hella cool tonight, yeah
Everybody’s vibing so don’t nobody start a fight, yeah-ah-ah-ah
(Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah)


And I drink to that

thehomer: If you can tell me what problem the human lifespan poses to the theory of evolution, then you'll have something to go on. So, can you tell me what problem the human lifespan poses for the theory?

Ptolomeus: Olaa ... You are truly masochistic?
Do not you think that was already well established that Obama is a Christian, and you opened the thread for political reasons?
Olaa friend ... I am sadistic ... I do not want to have to continue to provide more evidence ...
Pinocchio ... you are behaving badly ... you're a bad boy!

true2god: If u look up u will see my response to this. The JW GB is the fraud here for always lying 'light is getting brighter' to defend their inconsistencies instead of aplogizin to the whole world who they are feedning with their publications frm Brooklyns. My broda u r just tellin us here wat u learn frm the kingdom halls, u r not to blame as long as u r ready to learn and stop the policy of never to question watever u r taaught at the kingdom hall. God created man to be inquisitiv and curios so that he learn more things. I can tell u that if u do ur personal research u might even point out certain things ur elders do no knw to dem and not always the other way round.

cyrexx: see the super trolsbel accusing me of trolling.