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bizmahn: You sound familiar.Once Kun appears with his usual crap,there are folks you expect to see around...and vise versa (edited)

Who should be the liar here sef ?

You or him ?

Its like you are not happy seeing people like us in this forum.

well, sorry, the truth cannot be hidden, if what you have is backed by God's word the bible, you dont need to border that people "like pastor kun are always around".

bizmahn: You see yourself? You will easily go to the old testament to magnet scriptures that support alcohol drinking & your inordinate lusts but when the same old testament demands/requires tithes,animal sacrifices,sabbath observance & the likes, you declare them abolished.Who's fooling who?
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For those that have ears, we are in the new testament dispensation of Christs requirement of sinless righteousness.Christ increased the requirement of righteousness & didn't reduce it matt.5:21-48.Alcohol is addictive as much as cocaine.You may say you only sip little but MANY ADDICTS STARTED WITH A SIP.Do not start what you will later regret.

Why not quote the Bible NT to show that alcoholic drink is a sin and not just tell people from your head ?

It seems the only sin that pentecostal churches sees/know and preach this days is "alcohol is a sin", contrary to what the bible says and from scriptural evidences.

The bible is a ballance book that shows us the two sides of every thing we do even the talk we talk and what we say, that the bible says the tongue is dengerouse, does that mean we should not talk again ?

Please, i dare you to proof that alcohol is a sin from the scriptures, hence you should better keep quite for ever and for good on this matter.

So, go ahead, am waiting.

Peace.

Kamsy10: so I asked you which church you attend in your other thread critizing the catholic church and you ran away and came over here. lmao
Since you said in your other thread that catholics and t.b Joshua followers will go to hell, I asked you which church do you attend so that we can follow your heavenly pastor. Alas, Immediately I asked that question, you abandoned the thread and ran away.
Why are you so ashamed of naming your church, rather hiding behind your keyboard and attacking others.
If you are scared of naming your church, how are you going to convert the hell bound team of catholics and t,b Joshua team nah?

cant stop laughing.

I dare you to mention your church

Are you aware that this action is called derailing of thread and it is an offence in NL to do such ^ ?

Cant you read the op ? What you posted and the op, are they on the same line ?

Smh for you

[quote author=Mynd_44]We are starting to get carried away again ooooo. Lets not chat here.[/quote]discussions on matters affecting this section can hardly be classiified as 'chat', and that was what mine and striktlyme was.

Talking about deleted ID's is about this forum and not a "chat".

striktlymi: Yeah I know he is right but creating a thread in the General section is a looooong thing for me. I already sent Seun a mail with the link. Let him do with it what he please.

Ok.
You maybe surprise that @mynd may push it further even without your knowing it.

i feel uwkward quoting a post saying 'nobody' since i cant be talking to myself.

[quote author=Mynd_44]This post belongs in the general section dont you think? It might have good points and all but it is waaaaay beyond my scope and that of this section. No offense[/quote]@Striklymi

what mynd said is true.
Why not open a thread in the general section of NL to pass this accross ? Am sure it will fly with the admin since they are sound suggestions.

Peace.

Alfa Seltzer: He's a bigot. He told Obadiah that criticising a mod is reason for a ban which earned me my first obadiah ban. He's crooked and byassed towards xtians.

Nope!

@Mynd can be anything, but NOT a bigot, NO!

^^

Dont mind the op, he does not know what is leading him and giving him the fake msgs.

Alfa Seltzer: Seun hasn't even declared he's looking for a mod.

Is @Obino not a supermod ?

texanomaly: Oh, I'm pretty sure you just told me to park well. I'm just not sure what that 'o' word means.

let me try to decipher it.

"No day form Olodo" = dont play 'foolish'ness(mugu).

"face your line jare" = mind your business men!(please, abeg).

Something like that.

By the way, we cannot have a perfect mod, just the willing best option that really loves the job and is sure to have the 'TIME' .

Am sure one of Obediah777's and Ajibam's problem is TIME.

In addition to all consideration, an applicant should first consider the time factor, not when the jod is gotten, the person starts complaining of not having enough time. that will be a function of foolishness.

Meaux001: Welcome, Ishi!!! Correct chica

Who is this @Meaux001 sef ?

Smiling @Ishilove like Obediah

[quote author=Mynd_44]Just cos a lot of people like someone or think he can do the job does not mean he can. The mod position is a sensitive one; you know that.[/quote]This ^ is a truthful statement.

Not all appointed mod will just want to delete their profile/resign and go, some may want to do something silly.

striktlymi: I used to agree with that but the events of the recent past may force me to review my position.

Guy, leave Obediah alone, the issue here is not whether he was a good or a bad mod but that he is no where to be found.

Though it was a parable, still i wish to ask you a question to set something streight.

highyo: WHY GOD WILL SEND PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT HELL?
You can see that it was Abraham that was speaking to the rich man, and Abraham said, even if The lord send someone, they will not still belief, just as you have not believe.
If you have believe, then the word of God has not being fulfilled, the word said, if I send someone, they will not still belief. So you not believing, you have completed the word

Did Abraham in the parable send someone or he said that they should listen to the people preaching to them, hence did not send ?

If he Abraham did not consent to sending someone to preach, your messages are from who then ?

That context of the bible to judges is quite dufferent from when the bible directly calls people "sons of God".

The children of Israel were chosen as a whole as Yahweh's special property, and we know the terms that sustained that relationship > animal sacrifice.

Hence, they where property/sons of the most high.

Bidam: whaat? are you blind to this OT scripture

Psalm 82:6

New International Version (NIV)

6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.

that ^ does not identify individuals as "sons of God", but a reference to the office of judges.

"God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy." (Psalm 82:1-3).

Kay 17: ^^
I understand your apprehension. Yet I want to clear and unequivocal reponse from you.

Is God comprehensible?

"No man has seen God at any time; but the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom position of the Father, he has explained him." (John 1:18).
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Simple!

^^^
For someone that did not and has not quoted scriptures to show that "sons of God" are humans on this thread, you sure have a very big mouth,

smh.

Kay 17: Again,

Can God be comprehended?!

Your comprehension of basics is becoming questionable.

Kay 17, i had a better estimation of your person better than that ^ you are displaying there ^.

You are showing that you have not comprehended all we have discussed thus far.

Cool down men!(or woman).

Think deeply, let the evidence dictate, and not your limited imaginations.

Peace though

People really need to get the sense of what the bible said about Adam and what Happend in Eden and the significance of Yahweh driving Adam and eve out.

Why Jesus had to come.

Churches wount teach people simple truth, but concentrate on money money money, all the time.

Pastor Olu T: U kept going back n forth, I have given u the floor a long time to tell us all how one can obtain spirituality by his consciousness. So we are listening to ur teachings, except u have got nothing to say?

His own problem is that, if he agrees with you that Genesis6 was talking about fallen angels, it may rob off on their African traditional religion/peganism/Demon worship

Hence his struggling to cover it.

Bidam: My point is even in OT it is not foreign.The patriachs understood it.The pharisee made a mess of judaism by taking God to be distant and separated from them:Jesus used the Torah to prove to them that God is their father.

The genesis acct you quoted is not angel in that context.It says specifically sons of God.I believe the other scriptures in Daniel refers to Jesus who was concealed in OT.The job acct refers to angels even in Context.

Patriachs of Old like Abel,Enoch,Noah,Abraham,Isaac Jacob,Joseph,Moses,David etc knew by Faith they are sons of the mosthigh.

David even had that insight and he penned it down in Ps 82:6 even Jesus had to remind the legalistic pharisees of that fact.

To say it wasn't until the NT we had that knowledge is not true.

Jesus Sonship was unique in the sense that He came to die for the sins of men and that is why the bible use capital Son.other sons are small 's'.

Even God called Isreal His Firstborn son in OT..so what do you say to this interesting points i raised up?

Where are the bible passages to support your stance ?

Even Jesus knew this very well, hence he said:

"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the sons of God. " (Matthew 5:9).
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That ^ is futuristic.

doubleDx: They were faithful servants/messengers of the MOST HIGH until evil was found in them....That was when they became fallen Angels! Why is this so difficult to understand? Were they not all created by the MOST HIGH? These were certainly not the same set of Angels that rebelled against God alongside Satan; they were a group of watchers that later became fallen Angels/Demons after sinning against the MOST HIGH....

I'm tired of arguing over this topic! Let the Holy spirit lead & show us the truth....

**Unfollowing**

Why not asked them, if all men were sons of God, why did Jesus have to come and buy us back to God and from who did Jesus buy us from ?

If humans where sons of God, was it God that Jesus bought us from with his blood ?

Smh.

ajayikayod: Lik i said, allowing ur interpretatn. Ur meanin of Job 1:6 doesnt agree wit Gen 6. Job 1:6 made a clear distinction btw d good and d evil. Sons of God and Satan. If all angels (good/evil) can b refered to as "sons of God" Job wouldnt hav distinguished satan (falling angel) from d rest. Every whr in d scriptures whr open undertandin were transmitted about who sons of God were, they hav always been known to b servants/messengers of God not rebellious being. D writer of d scriptures as inspired were very apt in making clear distinctn btw d good and evil, angels and demons/devil etc. Ask ur self, can God refered to satan as His sons? or can He call demons His messengers?

Consistencies is one of d basis of scriptures interpretation. Following ur interpretation, u agreed dt sons of God in Job 1:6 were God servants except d seperated one (satan), u agreed dt d son of God in Daniel is God's servant but whn u r interpreting Gen 6, u deviated dt d sons of God thr were fallen angels evn though they all hav d same hebrew words "bene elohim". Wat communion had light wit darkness!. Is thr anyway u can find such closeness in d epistles (lik calling d unbelievin one sons of God?). Fallen (angels) means separated, rejected in authority, rights, position and location and ar now enemy of God. They were never of God again, forever and so can never b sons of d Most High God.

D interpretation of d sons of God as written in Gen 6 to be fallen angels was extracted from extra biblical materials (lik BoE). We ought not to bring such into d authority of d scriptures. Whn d scriptures is silent, lets be silent too instead of bringin in external revelations which has no place in d scriptures.

Actually, an earnest study of d scriptures showed dt d "sons of God" in Gen 6 were never supernatural being but i chose to walk from ur interpretation and show u d deviation in such meaning as compared to others.

Where are the bible passages you are quoting if the bible is on your side ?

Smh.

Bidam: Funny i did not read any contemporary commentaries before arriving at this. I just followed the leading of the Holy Spirit to arrive at this. And i did reply you based on the context.

For you to say Job's account was because it was OT so sons of God was refering to fallen angels,( though i agree the sons of God here are angels but not satan who was an arch angel) then you also have to prove to us from scripture that children do not have angels, peter doesn't have an angel,Paul doesn't have an angel.These guys are sosn of God in their own right and they do have angels who behold the face of God daily.

Jesus made a profound statement to the pharisee before He went to the cross..He called the pharisee children of the devil, stating that the devil was a murderer from the beginning.So who did the devil murder from the beginning?

Ofcos genesis was the book of the beginning and the only first murder recorded was when Cain murdered Righteous Abel.

Look at what God told him. Sin is crouching at your door.it desire is to have you but you must master it.sin here refers to satan who was invisible speaking vile thoughts to Cain.Cain was tempted and he fell big time.God also spoke to cain in his thoughts but Cain never yielded To God's voice.

No man(including adam) has seen God except Jesus.God doesn't speak in a loud audible voice but through our thoughts.The only time God spake audibly was during the ministry of Jesus. The OT is coded in the sense that it was when Jesus came that he revealed the activity of satan and how he operates.Apart from the genesis,Isaiah and Job account that mentioned satan.No where does OT scripture mentioned satan's activities and this is where athiest arguments thrives on.

Take for instance scriptures like and an evil spirit from the Lord tormented Saul. How can an evil spirit comes from God? It was Jesus that brought light in the NT concerning how evil spirit possess vessels.So to say an evil spirit possess Cain to murder his brother is in order.

In OT the Holy Spirit does not possess vessels.He rather comes on them to do specific tasks.But in the NT Jesus said He will send the comforter in the Person of the Holy Spirit, who will be in us till His second coming.

As far as i am concerned anyone who yields to the influence of satan like the pharisees Jesus was accusing, are sons of the devil in OT and anyone who yield to God's Spirit are sons of God.

still empty of biblical references !

Smh.

Bidam: Pst T. sons of God in this context refers to the genealogy of Seth from Adam, after Cain murdered Abel and left the presence of God, he went and build his own city. You can easily trace two different genealogies here.Cain and his sons became murderers and invented tools like iron for war and we all know the devil is a murderer, so i can confidently refer to Cain and his sons as sons of the devil. While Seth and his sons as sons of God. It was at the time when Seth begat Enosh that men(sons of God) began to call on the name of the Lord.
Under the sons of God genealogy you will see guys like Enoch and Noah who made a mark by walking with God, in order words their communion and relationship with God was unmatched and impeccable.

God hates mixture, it was the sons of God that went ahead to marry daughters of Cain who was marked.They lusted after Cain"s daughters and refused to marry from their kindred when men began to increase in number on the earth.

Guess what happened? Because of these mixtures, iniquity started rising and was on the increase till it became full, then God choose Noah so He can cleanse the Earth and create another generation. Noah's righteousness before God covered his sons who were married.Who knows maybe one of Cain's daughter was taken by Noah's sons because iniquity is still prevalent today.

But the point is; God hates murder and He made a covenant with Noah giving him laws for him and his children to follow. That is what we refer to as Noahic laws.

Hmmmn, i wonder why Noah cursed Canaan and not Ham when he got drunk and was naked. I guess blacks are descendant of Canaan.But are blacks sons of the devil and cursed? I don't think so.

Not even one bible vers!

Smh for following tradition.

Frosbels problem is that it does not fall into his "Jesus did not preexist" doctrine, since it will prove to him that spiritual being can materialised as humans.

But then, is that not what the angels that met Abram, Jacob and Lot did ?

Denie the bible all you want, what it contains is there, you cannot remove it.

ajayikayod: Bros, though d sons of God as written in Gen 6 never referred to fallen angels, yet allowin ur interpretation those personalty "d sons of God" as written in dt chapter doesnt agree wit d personalty described in other scriptures u quoted. We must adhere to consistencies in interpreting d scriptures b4 we make conclusions. " sons of God" in Gen 6 were never fallen angels.

Do you care showing this consistency you talk about using the scriptures ?

frosbel: the sons of God weere human beings and not angelic beings.

Error!

Dont ignore other scriptures to feed your ego.

When does human being marrying/sleeping with daughters of men becomes a sin and unnatural ?

Why will God reject such a union(between human) when he was the one that design it ?

Does copulation between humans always produce extra size giants ?

Dogmatism is also very dangerouse you know ?

Care to show the consistency/evidence from the bible that when the bible says "sons of God", it always refers to "human being" ?

Dont just interject and run away, but be consistent please.

Is it now you are coming to this level ?

Some of us have done that and have found the way round man's limitations when it comes to God, and it was God himself like a father will do, that provided that book you call "book of men", to educate us about things we would not have known otherwise to help us learn about him.

Kay 17: *sigh*

Can man comprehend God?

"No man hath seen God at any time; but the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom position of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18).
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With that ^, the reality i see in nature has been substantiated and i learn and come to make sense of God.

I invite you to cure your infinite regress with reason from reality/facts around us and then join me to make sense from what the bible says.

Peace

wiegraf: This is what I'm looking for oga, however, I found your FB page and it seems you just joined that network this morning, which is just a little suspicious.

If you're a true professional I need not tell you how serious this situation is, and you would therefore understand my concern. For instance, you could be an agent of the devil working with the spirits to steal my soul or simply a charlatan. I would appreciate it if you provided more proof of your expertise before I contact you.

Can you please give me an account of an older spiritual case you've solved sir? Or provide some insight into what exactly the spirit that is trying to possess me wants?

Thank you

Also, I see you're involved with this movement

https://www.facebook.com/pages/People-Who-Need-Spiritual-Help/192253280818375?ref=profile

If your work is genuine, good work sir!

@all, see, muslims are much nicer.... Though xtians like muskeeto and Mee234 are helping. Thanks you two, I'll get back to you

lol.

thanks NLders for helping him thus far.

* laughing @muskeeto being a christian and helping *

If i had such powers, i would not be here laughing. Hehehehe .

Bidam: What do you understand by the word ELOHIM, Is it singular or plural? You can ask google, you always run to anytime you see debates like this.

The word Elohim(Hebrew word for God) is more of a generic name since The hebrew writings lacks some of the modern characters used to qualify writings today.

As such, the word Elohim was used for both singular and plural references to God/gods(there also was no capilisation in hebrew language).

This word was used when referimg to canaanites deities and and used for humans, also used for Idols/statue(single/singular) and also Yahweh as God.

Hence, basing your explanation of Trinity on the modus of used of the Word Helohim can at best be as a result of lack of substance to substantiate the trinity doctrine from scriptures.

Peace

hehehehe, guy, you were looking for help, now help ^^^ has arrived hehehehe. Lol.