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andromida: The kingdom of God is priority in all things.I have used the scriptures to support my position i do not know how you missed that. i think you need to go over my previous post you seem to have misunderstood what i am saying.

andromida: It is a known fact that not everyone can handle prosperity. some will fall as james 6:9-11 says but should we then be poor to guard against forfeiting eternal life.? we all know the power of money,if you see people who are humble when poor you may not recognize them when they become rich. The Bible is a whole book it is sad when people concentrate on only parts. Any child of God that focuses on money may lose his salvation because the LOVE of money is the root of all kinds of evil not the USE of money and while here we must use money and God did not plan his children as wretched beggars.Also see 1Tim 6:17. I insist being rich is no sin in the sight of God it is your attitude as a rich person that can sink you not your wealth even as your attitude as a poor man can equally sink you. Being poor does not make you a better christian neither does being rich make you a better christian.

Ihedinobi: This here is all the problem I have with your position. How does this statement agree with 1 Timothy 6:9?



Does "diff" mean "different"?

OLAADEGBU: If you say that Jesus Christ is angel Michael are you then saying that it is right to worship angels?

Goshen360: Exodus 32: 14 So the Lord relented concerning the disaster He said He would bring on His people. The HCSB Translation

During the plagues against Egypt, Moses frequently prayed on behalf of Pharaoh and the Egyptians. Now Moses prayed for the Israelites (vv. 30-32; 33:12-16; 34:8-9). That the Lord told Moses about the situation and did not immediately destroy the Israelites left the door open for Moses to pray for them and for the Lord to relent (unlike Jer 15:1). As He would Himself proclaim, compassion, grace, and the capacity to forgive are among God's most prominent characteristics (Ex 34:6-7; cp. Jnh 3:9-10; 4:2). Earlier the Lord had needed to persuade Moses to accept His plans; now Moses uses the Lord's own words to persuade Him to have mercy on His people. This displayed the depth of the victory that the Lord had won in Moses' heart.

People like you are reading the bible just to find holes and point of criticism. It doesn't profit you. Here you have it that the sense of the Kjv doesn't mean God does evil, the sense is punishment and if God chose to relent towards his punishment, who then are you to question him. I don't intend to enter argument with you because I already know you. I don't just want you get away with this because of many worldwide readers.

cyrexx: oops, my bad, i thought it is the perfect and reliable Word of the perfect and reliable God, that should contain no loopholes. i guess i'm wrong

musKeeto: No one should be rich. You work hard to get rich... or you get an inheritance.. or get lucky... No one is born with a right to be rich.. not even getting 'born again' would do that...
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Billyonaire: By mandating that the Bible is the Authority and that one should align to any of the school of thoughts, you are already expecting to find the answers you seek within the confines of the Bible and the school of thoughts. I am sorry to inform you that the answers you seek, may not be found within the box you decide to put every opinion bearer in, because the concept of Predestination goes beyond the concept of Christianity and the theories you align yourself to. If permitted, I could give you detailed answers you seek but outside the scope of the Bible and theorems. For now, I will keep wealth of knowledge t myself until I am permitted to be outside my house to actually see the dimension of the house, cos there is no way I can know the architectural designs by staying inside the box-cum-house.

5solas: It necessarily takes away freewill.

However, the point of my post is that everything that happens is predestined.

OLAADEGBU: His Son's Name
July 27, 2012

"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his Son's name, if thou canst tell" (Proverbs 30:4).

The obvious answer to these rhetorical questions must centre in God, the Creator of all things. But the fascinating revelation in this Old Testament passage is that God has a Son and that both have names.

When Moses asked God His name, "God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM . . . This is my name for ever" (Exodus 3:14-15). Later, Moses, in his song of deliverance said: "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name" (Exodus 15:3). The name Lord (Hebrew Jehovah or Yahweh) means, essentially, "I am, the self-existent one."

As far as His Son's name is concerned, it is revealed in Scripture in many ways. In the Old Testament prophecy, "His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). How remarkable that a "Son is given" who is also named the mighty God and everlasting Father!

In His incarnation, the angel commanded Joseph, "Thou shalt call his name JESUS" ("Jehovah saves" ), but he also said, "They shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us" (Matthew 1:21, 23).

There are many other titles by which the Son of God is identified, but perhaps the most significant are noted in connection with His final return in triumph. "His name is called The Word of God" (Revelation 19:13), identifying Him as both eternal Creator and incarnate Saviour (John 1:1-3, 14). As our eternal King, "he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" (Revelation 19:16). HMM

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5solas: A lot of believers are wont to thump up ‘freewill’ whenever there is a mention of predestination. They feel uncomfortable by it. To some and also to some unbelievers, it seems a ‘cheap’ way to get to heaven. Imagine a person believing he will get to heaven simply because he was predestinated to! But if we think predestination a ‘cheap’ way to get to heaven, how about grace? It seems to me a ‘cheap’ way to get to heaven too. To think Christ died for you and took upon Himself the punishment due to you and with that offering you are perfected forever and He is able to save you completely. It is much easier for us believers to believe the doctrine of salvation by grace than to believe in the doctrine of predestination.
But that there is a predestination of everything that takes place and of salvation in particular , let us go into the Bible:
*We read in Eph 1:3-5 that we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world
Having being predestinated ‘’unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will’’,
* Matt 11:
25 ¶ At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
*2Thess.2: 13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because[b] God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation[/b] through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth
*Rev. 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life
*1Thess.5: 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
From these verses it is clear also that there is a predestination to damnation, we may rightly infer it, but it is also clearly stated in the Bible:
*Rom.9: 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
*1Peter2: 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
*Jude 4 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
*Examples of predestination can be found in the Joseph story. He told his brothers,
Gen.50:20 ‘’ But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive’’.
*It was said of the sons of Isaac, "the elder shall serve the younger" and it was so.
*Judas betrayed Christ as prophesied and for thirty pieces of silver.
*Peter denied Christ thrice before the cock crowed.
*Peter was asked to go fishing and to look into the mouth of the first fish he catches and there he would find a coin to pay taxes with, and it was so!
*In the time of the judges, Barak was told he would not have the honour of killing Sisera,it would go to a woman, and it was so.

From all I have said about predestination, it should normally surprise me if they are people who still would argue there is no such thing, but I won’t be surprised for many of such persons already know the verses and still argue against it.
The teaching of predestination is supported by God’s foreknowledge. God knows how this world would end and it cannot end in any other way. His knowledge of future events is certain.
He says in Isaiah 46:9,10
“ Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:”…
God knows now how we all lived our lives , how we all died, who would go to heaven, or hell.
Can man make choices? Yes!Does he have a will?Yes. Does he have freewill? No.
Man can make choices , and as far as he is concerned they are free, but he cannot act other than God wills and foreknows. The heart of the king it is said, is in his hands “ as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will”.—Prov.21:1. He can restrain evil or permit evil.
Yet in all of this, we are exhorted to seek Him, we are to preach the gospel to all. If it was the intension of God to save all, all would be saved. He chose to save some and not all men. Men do not convert themselves, neither are they born again of themselves the Spirit of God makes the difference in who are saved and who are not. We do not find God, rather we are found of God Gal.4:9.
Paul was converted without his seeking God, it is a testimony of the fact that we are saved , not by “freewill” or anything in us but for something in God.
But as we know not before our conversion if we are chosen or not, we should cry out to Him for our salvation because to Him it belongs.
Christ did not die to give us an opportunity to save ourselves, He died to save as many as the “ Lord shall call” Acts2:39.

And as many as He saves can never be lost, for to save them was His determination and He did not die in vain.

cyrexx: LOL

bros,
its the 72 virgins Allah promised me if i blow myself up for him in jihad and all i am asking him is to give me only or two to test-run on earth now, so i can be sure that those 72 sexy virgins are real deal when i get to his paradise

cyrexx: observe and watch this:

MyJoe: Mr truthislight

1. I did not call the JW a mystical group. I was quite obviously not refering to them when I used that word and I'm sure the person I was talking to can see that.

2. I did not say or imply any of those things you said about the library in the single place I have mentioned it. Read again.

I have no further inclination of talking to you since I cannot trust myself to continue to do so the way I have so far. Thank you in anticipation of your cooperation.

cyrexx: @ truthislight, and
@ihedinobi

thank you guys for your answers, its highly appreciated. it meant a lot to me, though i am 80% satisfied.

if you check my questions very well, you will see that what i meant is that if those people eventually repented, has predestination mandated that they will never be forgiven?

in the example that truthislight gave, the pharisees knew that Jesus was the messiah and they rejected him because of greed and selfish reason. what if they repented of of their greed and selfish reason later in the future, does it mean that they will still go to hell, no matter what they do? that is the crux of my question.

ihedinobi seem to misunderstand my position, you think i hate god. it will be foolsih and totally dishonest of me if i find a convincing evidence for (Christian) god and i still deny him. that is not my position. it is religion and their concepts of god that i hate, not god if he exists, i hate religion for deceiving us that someone answers prayers when in actual fact, nobody is there to answer prayers and you are supposed to pretend as if your prayers are answered. i dont want to derail this thread but these questions meant a lot to me.

OLAADEGBU: My response to BARRISTERS has addressed your objections and if 'am to add to that I will continue from where I stopped in Hebrews. Hebrews 1:7-8 goes like this:

"And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and eve; a sceptre of righteousness, is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

This should show you beyond any doubt that our Lord Jesus Christ is not angel Michael. You can see God the Father here talking to angels in verse 7 but in verse 8 He is talking to His Son. If you read with an open mind you will see that the angels are on one side and the Son on the other. So which group of the audience does Jesus Christ fall in?

The angels were obviously created beings created as spirits but the Son has been forever and if you not that this prophecy in Psalm 2:7 was given thousands of years before the Son actually became man. Jesus Christ is the Son of God by inheritance, by human generation and resurrection, while the angels are only sons of God by special creation.