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Mike chinos: Jesus is God he came as a man just to save U̶̲̥̅̊ and me. He pre-existed before all things. He said he is the alpha and omega the first and last

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Your error.

Jesus is not the alpha and Omega

But Jesus said:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18).

shdemidemi: Like I told you before, the invisible God appeared in the Old Testament. He walked, He spoke, His back was seen and all, in whose image do you think the 'invisible' God do all these things?

See, this below is the way that things in the OT
Was done:

"Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him." (Exodus 23:20-21).
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What was that ^ angel authorised to bear ?

You really need to start trusting Jesus.

He said NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD at "anytime".

Smh for you

italo: @ OP, whose words are these in Rev 22:12,13?

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

Is that person God or man?

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Error! Error! Error!

That place was talking about Yahweh and Jesus.

Rev 22:6-13 talked about Yahweh sending his angel, then from verse 16 and 17 talked about Jesus the root of Devid.

see:


"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:6-13).
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That ^ is talking about Yahweh that sends His angel.

After Yahweh sends his Angel, then Jesus sends his angel in subsequent vers 16 below:


"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Revelation 22:16-17).
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The almighty is not of the root of David.

Yahweh is not a morning star.

"The lord God of the prophet" is Yahweh. QED.

Smh.

manmustwac: Who are you?
Chukky requests for that username then you immediately create a new moniker with it. You must be a hardcore troll eh Mister Troll

KraticKratus:
My mind is with Satan. But christian logic is really christian.

https://www.nairaland.com/1342847/question-jehovahs-witnesses-others-satan#1342847.6

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Now we know "who".

italo: When I am ready to open a thread to discuss Christian matters, I will holla at christians, not an obstinate heretic who says that 'satan compiled the Bible under God's inpiration.'

when DID HE SAY THAT ^ ?

chukkynwob: KraticKratus....will be fine thanks dear

KraticKratus: Sorry. Taken.

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cyrexx: Not laziness, dear. You have no faintest idea of the extent and the depth of research I undertook before I came to the conclusion that all these religions and their claims were purely man-made and man-perpetrated.

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With which heart did you do that ^ ?

Is it the same heart that advocated free sex and sex abandon on this forum for the unmarried that has the capacity to "research yahweh" ? No, it is impossible, tell that to novices.

Conscience they say is "an open wound".

Charity they say begins at home.

manmustwac: At least four times the time i visited two churches in nigeria. So what the congregation usually dose is to divide the their doh into four then drop am small small

Why should the time they say is "worship time" be use to soliciting for money ?

Was that what the people went there for ?

There should be no money talk during "a time for worship", no offering.

They should keep a box by the corner and anybody that is compeled by his own heart can go to the corner and put whatever he has without distraction no announcement for such during "worship".

Why the over emphasis on money ?

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It will be a reproach to quote the post of certain people on this read.

Mr anony: This just shows your ignorance of God's nature

ignorance of which God ?

Trinity ? Yes.

Yahweh ? No.

Bidam: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

What is "spiritually discerned" about this philosophy that Annony is wishing out here ?

I fear for you people !
Smh.

Mr anony: First question you need to answer: Do you believe that God is omniscient? Yes or no.

The reason I'm asking the above is because if yes then we can proceed, if no then you would have no basis to argue about what the Son didn't know.


P/s: I am sure frosbel is happy to have his thread derailed because it allows him to escape without answering the questions posed to him.

Of what use is the bible to you since you seem more at home with philosophy ?

Between the bible and your philosophy which should we take home that will guarantee us life ?

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. " (Matthew 7:21).

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take note, your philosophy is a sign of danger.

The bible is the express "will" of God.

Mr anony: Lol, sometimes I really feel sorry for you lot and all the scripture you have to diligently deny in order to keep your false doctrine afloat.

There are certain translation that are objectionable.

Are you of the opinion that that Hisblud translation that affixed the TETRAGRAMATON there as being the one that came down from heaven is right ?

Frank4YAHWEH: '
Yes, I believe that all translations have been twisted, so we have nothing to talk about.

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).

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it is really a pity that that ^ plans of Yahweh is futile, curtsey of you Frank4YAHWE.

Of what use is that ^ statement in scripture then if translation has rendered "all" the plans of Yahweh invalid in all translations !

No thanks to you.

benalvino: thats not what divine means abeg you... divine comes from God... GOD is good satan is bad... why is Jesus the Exact image of the father and we are not?

Because Jesus is exactly what the father is... characteristics... behavior everything...
are you the exact image of the father no... are you the exact image of jesus no... How are you divine then? you are the image of adam at the moment... we are trying to be the image of christ and how can you be that? is by being Christlike which means behavior and his footsteps...

i am concentrating on Satan because you said he is divine how can you make such statement. Bad thing like satan cannot be divine o... Cause Divine is from God alone.

Satan was and is an angel turn bad.

Angels are divine beings.

benalvino:
we dont have divine powers oooo... look up divine you will know that it has to do with the supreme being... that is where it is from... divine is not in you it come from God.

What have you succeeded in saying there ^ ?

Are you being honest or you are being dishonst ?

benalvino:
we dont have divine powers oooo...

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You need upgrade on that.

Supernatural powers are Divine powers, take note.

benalvino: truthislight be honest... I believe your religion you dont believe Satan is divine... don't you think ijawkid is going out of bound? say the truth... do you think Satan is divine?

You should have seen that divine have alot of meaning, it actually depends on what u have in mind.

For one, satan is a spirit person like christ.

We also have divine powers.

We have divine likeness.

Divine image.

You should always ensure to define your terms properly befor stating it.

Peace

benalvino: Nope... yahweh didn't do such to other people... the case here is other gods which are no gods by nature. Jesus is God by nature...

moses wasn't god... he was made like a god to pharaoh that alone shows he is not a god but seem like a god to just pharaoh and not me and you... cant you get it.

besides the sole claim here is we are god and the question still jumps out. why is Moses who is a god is made to be like a god to pharaoh. that is to show you we are not gods because that verse originally prove that Moses is not a god to begin with.

What i get from Ijawkid's post is that the word God is a title that even humans get.

So that when you see christ etc being called God, you dont affixed your three (3) gods into it.

And he then showed you Psalms where Yahweh called humans Gods. QED.

If you wish to add salt and pepe to what he had said, then, suite yourself.

benalvino: you might have done it unknowingly but i cant recall if you ever did it either... but i hope you have changed anyways... you use to use insulting ways to try to prove you are correct or belittle someone... which is not a good way to express your point of views.

Well, if you are talking about my reaction sometimes to the insult and degradation that Yahweh is given by trinitarians in this world, then, No apologies!

benalvino: Back to the topic...

ijawkid and co... maintain that God can be anybody that it is just an ordinary title. numerous time he uses other people try to equate them to Jesus level or try to downgrade Jesus to their level... One example is the savior argument we have... in fact from the way he is talking Jesus is not the savior but the father or Jesus is not the only savior there are people like Moses and others who are his savior too despite the fact that bible says Jesus is the savior of mankind, he doesn't see or notice the uniqueness of Jesus... he is just like the swat team that rescue people from an hostage situation. only by looking at reality TV, you will notice that there are a lot of savior on TV. police, firefighter etc... even in the midst of Christ people were casting out demons from others with his name and guess what saving is taking place. but are all this saviors saviors? didn't the bible says Jesus is the only savior? didn't the bible say the father is the only savior? why bring Moses who also need saving right now?...
this is one place salvation is based on and he doesn't see the uniqueness of Jesus being called Christ or messiah... He was asking me what it means in a way that it means savior like Moses and other.

if moses saved ten people in the hands of pharaoh at a point in time... does it mean he saved mankind?
are the people he saved back then including him didn't look onto Jesus to save them from death?
if other men are saviors why would Jesus have to come from heaven?
why didn't God still use the so called saviors ijawkid is talking about?



a question he looks as stupid because it kicks him in butt is the one concerning Moses and yet he hasn't said anything about it.

He said we are a god: and i ask since we are a god why does God have to make Moses be like a god to pharaoh?
red color to be like red color?
isn't it what it is in the first place?


the very strange argument is we are God but if we do not seek worship we wont be destroyed... where is that taught in the bible?

If we are all God and didn't seek worship is okay in the eyes of God; then why should he destroy the carved wood and stones that did not ask anyone to worship them?

when he says he will destroy all the gods that did not create the heaven and earth is he talking about ones that did not ask people to worship them or not, or is he talking about other gods in general?

Now bottom line is God says a lot of times that he didn't form any God many times. And God which Jesus and the father is, is not a rank... they are God by nature they have all the qualities to be God

this is Jesus:
Who, being [b][size=14pt]in very nature God[/size], did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;[/b]

this is other gods
"Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which [size=14pt]by nature are no gods[/size]." (Galatians 4:8 ).

That is why the God keep saying there is non like him... and he didn't form any.

you cant try to take away the deity of Christ o...

For pass over the isles of Chittim, and see; and send to Kedar, and consider diligently, and see if there be such a thing. 11Has a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which does not profit. 12Be astonished, O you heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be you very desolate, said the LORD. (Jeremiah 2:11);

So the idols — and all the gods of the peoples are idols — are not an inferior rank of second-string gods or Demi god as ijawkid believes, they are "no gods." The qualifier 'strange' or 'other' negates, it does not establish, their true deity. And their future is not bright.

He is showing you a parallel so that you dont misconstrue similar instances refering to christ and affixed a three (3) gods there while ignoring other instances that Yahweh had done such to other people.

Showing those scriptures to you is to help you learn and not rush to detract from the honor/worship due Yahweh.

Thoniameek: There're better ways to make a point or pass knowlege without making others feel not intelligible and bad.

Not intentional then.

Can you point out where i actually did that in that prayer post ?

deSika: we are talking about God here. My worry is simply why you will call the one true God and a mere god the same mighty God, could you muster up the courage to say satan is the mighty God, saying it line by line with 'The father is also a mighty God'. That should help you understand the gravity of the statement 'JESUS is the mighty God'

On red is a silly question.

We are explaining What the bible says.
It does not mean we underate the person of christ.

But you have completely ignored the father, sorry for you.

deSika: stop confusing yourself with the various ways God interacts with people. Yes he uses agents when delivering messages, but we are talking about where the bible says that God said let us make man (an act that he is part of and other persons are part of, he is not outside the act,he didnt use any agent, what you are calling agents is what i call different roles of the persons involved in the creation)

What you believe and called is all in your head and has nothing to do with the bible.

The bible is the final abiter of truth.

benalvino: this your double standard na wao?

you keep shouting that the father is the one God... is jesus the one lord as the bible says you will shout no...
is jesus the one savior as the bibles says... you will shout no and invite moses and others saying they are saviors too...

see your self?

yes the must be the messiah... cant you see? the messiah is what differentiate Jesus from your other saviors of the world. he didn't have to battle pharaoh like moses... he just came to die for hour sins very unique i may say

the one savior is Jesus i did not hear the bible say moses is the one savior or messiah...

you always 2ways man. you never have a straight forward view of something.

The point is, the father is the ultimate saviour.

It is the father that makes the provision for all salvation/saviour.

benalvino: that is why others you are calling saviors are not saviors na... cant you see. tell me where others are the saviors of the world?

that is the point you dont want to understand. Jesus is the savior chikena...

yet again this is not about the savior... my problem is you look for ways to take Jesus glory all the time.

are the other so called savior you are saying called the Messiah?

again

are they the Messiah?

you will look or someone who is fake messiah now just to take jesus glory again.

Messiaiah means annointed.

The question is, who annointed Jesus, who made him the annointed?

Why did he need to be annointed?

benalvino: that is why others you are calling saviors are not saviors na... cant you see. tell me where others are the saviors of the world?

that is the point you dont want to understand. Jesus is the savior chikena...

yet again this is not about the savior... my problem is you look for ways to take Jesus glory all the time.

are the other so called savior you are saying called the Messiah?

again

are they the Messiah?

you will look or someone who is fake messiah now just to take jesus glory again.

Messiaiah means annointed.

The question is, who annointed Jesus, who made him the annointed.

Why did he need to be annointed?

Thoniameek: Bro, me dey confuse for here o. If jesus isn't one with God, how come we offer prayer to him? and God himself come say.' if any call upon the name jesus believing, that person, he will answer'? Helep me clearify am abeg o

We dont offer prayers to Jesus, but through Jesus to the father.

Jesus is not the father, so, how can we offer prayers to him ?

Have you forgotten the model prayer (lords prayer) ?

How did Jesus say we should parkage our prayers ?

See:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. " (Matthew 6:9).

That ^ is the way Jesus said we should pray.

So, we direct the Prayer to the father, but end it in the name of Jesus christ.

Also, dont forget to mention the fathers name since in that model prayer Jesus say we should hallow/sanctify the name of the father:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. " (Matthew 6:9).
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Trinity has cause people to start prayers in Jesus name and end it in Jesus name.

Smh

deSika: so as you cant explain to me what i asked, then i put it to you that if lieing to the holyspirit is equal to lieing to God, then Holyspirit is God.

That is the way you lot always "put it" and arrived at three (3) gods and counting.

Keep "putting" gods for yourself.

Errm, dont forget the God at philipians 3:19, the belly God.

That will help you.

Mr many Gods

ijawkid: The question is who are polytheists??...

Persons who worship 3 persons or those who claim the one GOD to us is the Father alone.....

Your freinds are saying because one knows that others are called God(s) then that makes one a polytheist....

And right here it has been made known to them who the one God is....

But as you can see they are arguing that the one GOd is not the Father alone,but a combination of the Father,Son and holy spirit......

They claim 3 persons to be there God(s) and not one person........

Na him be the quarrel here o......

The people wan relegate the Father from being the one God to somebody wey be the colleagues of other persons.........they are making the Father a colleague of Jesus Christ......

Isn't that a sin deserving of destruction??...

And we are also telling them that even though other persons like men, angels, satan, Demons are called gods/Gods does not change from the fact that it is only the father, the almighty Yahweh that is our God that we worship.

In like manner, that Jesus also Bears the title God does not make him the God we worship, rather, we still worship the Father Yahweh, the God that Jesus christ also worship.

That anyone bears the title God does not change who the father is = the only true God, God almighty.

deSika: he is to be called mighty God. my question now is, is Ijawkid among the persons who will call him mighty God

Mr round a circle, why are you always going round in a circle ?

Is it because you must say something ?

If you have nothing to say, why not just read ?

Next, you will go back to Genesis with your "lets make man in our own image" nonsense.

Is this the way we should be searching for your three (3) gods in the bible ?

Ok, wait, let me go get a touch light so we can find it together.