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Pastor Olu T: Ok, let start with the scripture i quoted Luke 16:19-31.

I have replaced pit/grave with Hell and it does not make sense to me. sorry can't quote the whole scripture for i am using my phone.

When you are ready, let me know.

musKeeto: Bump

Motor Jam you ?

Alfa Seltzer: I have informed them before. See here https://www.nairaland.com/1105108/all-atheists-satanists

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yeah! Thats true.

shdemidemi: Ok, do you agree that the visible image of our invisible God is Christ according to Colossians 1:15?

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

You mean Boomark son is also his image ?

Yes, thats true, we agree.

Alfa Seltzer:
You can't move from atheism to Satanism. It's like saying I'm moving from Eko to Lagos, or I'm flying from the world to Earth. Makes no sense.

Lol.

I trust you to always deliver.

You are saying that atheism and satanism is one inside the other. Ok.

But those in the first ^ bubble will always delude theselves saying it is not affiliated.

Do well to inform them please.

Ciao

Alfa Seltzer: This is why you are still a christian: you haven't read your bible yet.

That is why you keep moving from atheist to satanism since the message of the bible flew over your head when you said you were a christian.

Your mind is playing tricks on you.

While you think with your dick while reading the bible what did you expect ?

Bidam: I am asking you the third time not for me but for other viewers. Define resurrection,let's see? Your straw man arguments won't get you any where if you really wanna learn.

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. " (John 5:28-29).

that ^ is what Jesus called resurrection.

Jesus and paul had said its is Furturistics.(the parable of lazarus had already been said by Jesus christ)

Ah! You forget so quickly, see it there in John.

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Bidam: you are olodo number 2..go back and read my post clearly.

is that ^ the answer to this below ? :

truthislight: Now, we are making a head way on you as it concerns resurrection, please, keep it up.

Again, since you say there is a resurrection of "all" the dead in the grave, as shown by the John 5:28,29 and Rev. you quoted. That all the dead in the grave and sea, etc will come out during the resurection, meaning that they the dead remain in their grave till the resurrection and not that they are in heaven/hell.

So, please, never you quote the parable of the rich man and lazarus and teach something different, like people being in heaven/fire/"hell" befor the resurrection, meaning that lazarus was not literally in heaven, neither was the rich man literally in fire/"hell", but a parable.

Always remember that people going to heaven immediately they die negates the bible teaching of a resurrection for "all".

Or else, you will be teaching that the resurrection had already occured befor paul wrote his Letters.

And that people had already ascended to heaven as against Jesus word that "no man has ascended to heaven".

Peace.

Dont you think you have a lot more to do when addressing that ^ above ?

Well, take my advise then and stop the lies.

Peace.

Bidam: you are olodo number 2..go back and read my post clearly.

is that ^ the answer to this below ? :

truthislight: Now, we are making a head way on you as it concerns resurrection, please, keep it up.

Again, since you say there is a resurrection of "all" the dead in the grave, as shown by the John 5:28,29 and Rev. you quoted. That all the dead in the grave and sea, etc will come out during the resurection, meaning that they the dead remain in their grave till the resurrection and not that they are in heaven/hell.

So, please, never you quote the parable of the rich man and lazarus and teach something different, like people being in heaven/fire/"hell" befor the resurrection, meaning that lazarus was not literally in heaven, neither was the rich man literally in fire/"hell", but a parable.

Always remember that people going to heaven immediately they die negates the bible teaching of a resurrection for "all".

Or else, you will be teaching that the resurrection had already occured befor paul wrote his Letters.

And that people had already ascended to heaven as against Jesus word that "no man has ascended to heaven".

Peace.

Dont you think you have a lot more to do when addressing that ^ above ?

Well, take my advise then.

Peace.

[quote author=frank3.16]Why do muslim ladies wear mask? How can mask forbid u from temptation. Will mask stop u from lying? Is the only tempation u know related to sex? Theives wear mask too[/quote]The slightest opurtunity those women have to be close to another man not their husband they fall like a pack of cards, though married.

Its obvious that in this religion sex and its related matters thereof are over emphasis.

Why ?

Bidam: The Bible clearly teaches two resurrections, one for the saved and one for the damned (John 5:29; Revelation 20:4-6; Revelation 11-15). It might do you some good to go study, rather than come here spewing thrash.Typical Ad hominem that should not be replied when ijawkid started it in the first place. SMH!!!

Now, we are making a head way on you as it concerns resurrection, please, keep it up.

Again, since you say there is a resurrection of "all" the dead in the grave, as shown by the John 5:28,29 and Rev. you quoted. That all the dead in the grave and sea, etc will come out during the resurection, meaning that they the dead remain in their grave till the resurrection and not that they are in heaven/hell.

So, please, never you quote the parable of the rich man and lazarus and teach something different, like people being in heaven/fire/"hell" befor the resurrection, meaning that lazarus was not literally in heaven, neither was the rich man literally in fire/"hell", but a parable.

Always remember that people going to heaven immediately they die negates the bible teaching of a resurrection for "all".

Or else, you will be teaching that the resurrection had already occured befor paul wrote his Letters.

And that people had already ascended to heaven as against Jesus word that "no man has ascended to heaven".

Peace.

ikemofepo: Frosbel, we need to talk. You're doing a great work here, howbeit, knowledge needs to be balanced with love. It is hard for people to see what you're saying especially when most of us have been taught by Men (of God) and not by the God of those Men. You've punctured the heart of the notion that Man is a spirit, he has a soul and he lives in a body. I searched through scriptures and I saw that if that lie is debunked, then many other things like the false immortality of man (which people don't understand is a gift from Christ who brought it to light by the gospel) amidst many other teachings will crumble. Ecclesiastes 12:7 says that ALL Spirits return to God at death...Genesis 2...man became a living soul...and hundreds of other scriptures that debunk the immortality of the soul of man (outside Christ) and the fact that man is a spirit. Deception will soon be over in churches, I see more light coming in and people breaking lose from the yoke of bondage.

I respect Joseph Prince so much, but listening to his teaching on tithing, I could not help but cry. I'm certain he must have wondered why people believed him. It was saddening. Most grace teachers that want to still teach tithing always get choked in between their messages. They know it for sure. It finds no place in the gospel of Christ.

One thing is certain. I fought hard against peeps that tried to teach me that righteousness was by faith apart from the deeds of the law. I had actually not studied, but I wanted to argue. Indeed, when I wanted to start studying, I was looking for parts of the bible to support my arguments, not to learn, and Oh, I found. But the Holy Spirit revealed truth to me. Very soon, many will start to study the bible with the mindset of the nature of God, which is love, and do away with eternal torment for the soul of Man!

^^^ on red

frosbel: Thank you brother.

Bidam: Here comes the comedian.The comedy show has started. Do you believe that Jesus is Yahweh?

Is that ^ the answer to the post i had made earlier ?

Ant you even ashamed that you cant even defend yourself ?

See it again here:

ijawkid: Special in what way??...

When your whole doctrine contravenes the foundation of christianity....

RESSURECTION.......

1 Corinthians 15:12-19

New International Version (NIV)
The Resurrection of the Dead

12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
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If dead persons are already in heaven enjoying themself, why will God bring them back to earth via the resurrection ?

@Bidam stand is of the greeks and their 'hell' philosophy.

Bidam does not believe in the resurrection of the dead coming back to life, since he said the dead are already in heavenly bliss via the spirit.(he beliefs the spirit is the real person)

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can you clarify yourself and your teaching ?

Dont "the dead go to heaven immediately they die and the wicked go to hell like you teach using the rich man and lazarus" ?

Please, clarify yourself. Or ever keep silent whenever the bible is being discussed.

Peace.

ijawkid: Special in what way??...

When your whole doctrine contravenes the foundation of christianity....

RESSURECTION.......

1 Corinthians 15:12-19

New International Version (NIV)
The Resurrection of the Dead

12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
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If dead persons are already in heaven enjoying themself, why will God bring them back to earth via the resurrection ?

@Bidam stand is of the greeks and their 'hell' philosophy.

Bidam does not believe in the resurrection of the dead coming back to life, since he said the dead are already in heavenly bliss via the spirit.(he beliefs the spirit is the real person)

frosbel: A reminder.

Lol. True.

musKeeto: If only you'd question evolution for giving men 'sperm' and women 'ovaries'... Maybe each gender should have both..

Now, there are certain train of reasoning/thought processes that does not give room for absurdities as an option.

Am surprise.

[quote author=dr.seno]lolz revisited[/quote]whats new ?

IYA NGBALI: -God punish you bible ministry

That ^ can be possible with all the cursing and wishing enemy to die in churches this days.

Smh for them.

@op, the list is incomplete yet i guess.

benalvino: I said the new Jerusalem... the wife is clothed with the "righteousness" or righteous works of saints. The saints are the church.

Is the church coming down from heaven or the groom is coming down from heaven, which is which ?

Rev 21:2 says the heavenly Jerusalem is coming down from heaven "as(like) a bride adoned for her husband"(meaning it is well prepared like a bride will be prepared for her wedding day):

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Revelation 21:2).

It is not saying it is a bride, but the way it is well prepared is like the attention and preperation as would a brid

Bidam: The Bible clearly states that there is only one God. Deuteronomy 6:4 states, “Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one.” Isaiah 44:6 states, “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me.” Clearly, these verses reveal that there is only one God. Yet, there are three separate persons in the Bible who are called God and have the characteristics only God can have. The Trinity is a difficult concept to grasp, because we are finite beings trying to explain an infinite God who is beyond our understanding.

Thats ^ a lie.

This are other things that the bible calls God:

"Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto." (Isaiah 44:15).

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:4).

Etc etc etc

add them to your multiple gods to satisfy your urges for multiple gods.

Smh for you people

striktlymi: Okay, cool!





I am not sure if it's different from other spirits...I must confess I am yet to do a research on that but what I agreed to was the ability of the human spirit to experience some level of emotions...this, Sacred scripture seem to agree with:

Job 7:11
King James Version (KJV)

11 Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul..

Yeah!, agreed. But the spirit is sometimes in the bible is described as ones mental disposition.

Even the influence from a spiritual being is also refered to as spirit in the bible.

When this influence is refered to, it is personified in the bible though not a person.

"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:" (Ephesians 2:2).

striktlymi: Like I said, understanding of Sacred scriptures is key...

God made man from the dust...this was not a living human being yet...this is the flesh and is what goes back to the soil. The breath of God is the spirit which enabled the body (flesh) to come alive. Without the spirit in that body, there is no living human.

The spirit, represented by the breath of God, goes back to God because it came directly from him and not the soil, while the flesh that was made from dust goes back to the dust.

As much as i agree on that ^ as being what the bible says, it was this seeming consent that made me post those scriptures:

Uyi Iredia: Actually by feeling I meant emotion. But why don't you think 'spirit' lacks tactile impression ? I think it does, especially if it has other senses (like sight) functioning.

striktlymi: After some thought, I have to agree to the extent that spirits can demonstrate some emotions like, being happy, sad, pain etc but I don't think they do it exactly as it is done by the flesh.

I was just wandering how pneuma can do that ^.

This pneuma seems to be different from spirit creatures, though they are called spirits also.

striktlymi: Understanding Sacred scriptures is very key....



What returns to the Earth? The spirit or the flesh? The flesh was made from dust and it must return to the dust but the spirit was not made from dust and so it returns back to God as depicted in your own quote below:





The above talks about what happens to the flesh, not the spirit. The spirit goes back to him who gave it.

Is the spirit a person that God puts into the man ?

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7).

Spirit = greek pneuma = breath

deSika: truthislight, you ignored the truth in my thread, so continue inyour delusion. u could not debate with the truth when you saw it, yet you wont accept it. good for you. i have played my part

What

You said Jesus was a spirit on earth, meaning he could not had paid the ransom since spirit creatures/heavenly bodies dont have blood.

You cant be seriouse!

benalvino: So rev 1:8 was the 2nd coming of Christ then.

Rev 1:8 is Jesus delivering a Revelation from Yahweh to the church:

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;" (Revelation 1:1-4).
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See Revelation 19, from verse 11 to 18.

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Jesus coming to executes the vengence of God:

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; "That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great." (Revelation 19:11-18).

benalvino: the father is coming for Armageddon ?

After amagedon is when the father is coming.

The person executing the fathers vengance is Jesus christ.

The judgment is also done by Jesus.

Itsfacts: Who is coming with great cloud? God was with the apostles

Jesus is coming, Yahweh is also coming.

Jesus will come for destruction of the wicked and judging, then he will rule for a thousand years after which he will hand over to Yahweh:

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6).


"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:28).
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So, what do you think will happened when Jesus hands over the rulership back to Yahweh ?

The coming is a restoration of the condition between man and God almighty Yahweh, as it was in Eden befor the fall of man.

All Jesus came to do is to restore back that relationship, by redeeming man and restoring man back to perfection befor Yahweh can relate with man again.

Peace.

benalvino: @ bernimoor who is the husband that is coming to take his bride(the church)?

Be on the line, dont derail your thread.

Bidam: I rightly pointed out the fact that you were emotional in your outburst. we are here to rightly divide the word of truth concerning the trinity and so far you guys have failed woefully in this thread and the other one opened by Mr. Anony. If you feel attacking founding fathers of the faith is your calling

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You must be on jamaican weed or something