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benalvino: You are right... the verse says the almighty is coming... We know Jesus is the one coming.
Still trying hard to find a solution huh?

Jsmyth:

BERNIMOORE: benalvino





lets see whats there in A and B below;


(A)
Exodus 6:1-3
New King James Version (NKJV)


2 And God spoke to Moses and said to him: “I am the Lord. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty,[size=14pt] but by My name Lord[/size][a] I was not known to them.

can you see that in A above, you can see how that verse was rendered useless, when the lord says 'im the lord', but my name 'lord' i was not known(forget the uppercase/lowercase rendering of LORD,it sounds same thing and hebrew words are not case sensitive), definately God wants his name to be distinct, but trinitarians who forms the commitee that revised kjv killed the real intention of God and the name he wants to be adressed


compare with the old version

(B)
Exodus 6:1-3

King James Version (KJV)


2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord:

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty,[size=14pt] but by my name Jehovah[/size] was I not known to them.


the old version (king james version 1611) states, "but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them"


you knew that if the YHWH or JHVH was fixed the way it was in the old versions throughout, benalvino, you seem to be more convienient with that

true2god: Guy stop ur confusion taticts as tot by ur pple. Can u quote isaiah 9:6 word for word as rendered by NWT. If im not wrong it rendered it 'mighty Jehova'. Stop being cunny, we r no kids here.

deSika: i noticed you and yur friend Ijawkid did not have anything to say to these verses as they are so clear. thats the truth for you bro. when you hear the word do not harden your hearts. Salaam

deSika: the truth contained here


bible verses talking about a Yahweh speaking about another Yahweh. dont say you didnt see them o.

benalvino: other Lord? didn't the verse say there is One lord Jesus?
then why the father is also a Lord even though there is only one lord Jesus?

I don't care how you applying it... the problem is the one lord statement so address it.

truthislight: Learn how to apply titles.

If you want to see other lords go to court.

Jesus is the only lord to man while the father is the almighty God.

Trinitarians abuse of the bible by removing the name of Yahweh is the reasons for your confussion right now, go tell your fellows thank you.

If the Tetragramaton was not removed/replaced with 'Lord' will you be this confused ? No.

You better run for your life from this evil people.

truthislight: Learn how to apply titles.

If you want to see other lords go to court.

Jesus is the only lord to man while the father is the almighty God.

Trinitarians abuse of the bible by removing the name of Yahweh is the reasons for your confussion right now, go tell your fellows thank you.

If the Tetragramaton was not removed/replaced with 'Lord' will you be this confused ? No.

You better run for your life from this evil people.

benalvino: you see... then is the father a false lord?
abeg am confuse clear this out... since Jesus is the Only Lord

benalvino: lol so there are some truthful Trinitarians to you? clap for your self for making no sense whatsoever

BERNIMOORE: benalvino



you see how tight you are boxing yourself to a corner, bolded above is a pure diversion

if you can remember what culminate into this was that you said christ 'made himself' to take the form of a man, that is he obeyed himself to take mans form, now you changed that he is obeying death, How can he be obeying the instruction of death brother? when you really knew that what we are talking about is about obeying an instruction to carry out an assgnment, now see other translations explaining better who jesus was obeying his instruction to come down and take the form of a man

phill 2:8



New Living Translation (©2007)
he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal's death on a cross.

English Standard Version (©2001)
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by[b] becoming obedient to the point of death[/b], even death on a cross.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by[b] becoming obedient to the point of death[/b], even death on a cross.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death-- even to death on a cross.


NET Bible (©2006)
He humbled himself, by[b] becoming obedient to the point of death-[/b]-even death on a cross!

christ was obedient to the father ..[size=14pt]to the point of death[/size]! not obedient to death

deSika: na wa so you guys have been polytheist all this while.

deSika: Christian: Let me ask you only one question and after you answer it, I’ll answer any question you want. First I need to clarify a few things. In the New World Translation, John 1:1 reads: “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” Then in Isaiah 9:6 (NWT) we read: “For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” So then, does Jehovah equal almighty God?

JW: Yes.

C: Now Jesus isn’t Jehovah, right?

JW: That’s right.

C: Jesus equals a Mighty God?

JW: That is correct.

C: Is Jehovah a true God or a false God?

JW: Jehovah is a true God.

C: Is Jesus a true God or a false God?

JW: Jesus is a true God.

C: Okay, here’s my question: How can you believe there are two true Gods when the Bible says there is only one God? After all, it says in Isaiah 43:10-11 (NWT), “Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.” And Isa: 44:6 (NWT) says: “I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.”

JW: That passage is teaching that there are no capital “G” gods.

C: Hebrew doesn’t have capital letters so the capitalization of the “G” in those passages is an insertion by the NW translators to make us believe there are two categories of gods. It is equivalent to their just inserting the word “almighty” in the text. If the Lord had wanted to proclaim that “besides me there is no Almighty God” instead of what it really says, “beside me there is no god,” He could easily have had Isaiah insert the word “Almighty” in those passages. But He didn’t.

JW: Well, we only worship one God.

C: If I only loved one wife but was married to two women, I would still be a polygamist and your believing there are two true Gods even though you only worship one of them still makes you a polytheist. The Bible says there is only one God.

JW: But the Bible calls Satan a God.

C: Is Satan a true God or a false God?

JW: A false God.

C: You still have two true Gods.

JW: But in Ex. 4:16 (NWT) it says that Moses “will serve as God to him [Pharaoh].”

C: It says Moses will serve “as God.” In other translations of this verse it says Moses will be “like God” to him. Do you see a difference between serving “as” God or “like” God and really being a god? For example, if I said an older woman was “as a mother to me” it wouldn’t mean that I actually came out of her womb, right? Do you see the difference?”

JW: But the word “God” is just a title that can be used for those on the side of God.

C: Then there would be lots of true Gods, but John 17:3 (NWT) says “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” If that’s true, how could you say that Jesus is a true God?

JW: As I said, we only worship one God.

C: But I’m not asking about how many Gods you worship, I’m asking about how many Gods you think are true. Can you think of a time when someone says that ‘X’ is the ‘only true’ ‘X’ that it doesn’t make everything else in that category false? If there God is the ‘only true’ God then any other god must be a false god, but you have already said that Jehovah and Jesus are both true Gods and that makes… count them… two true Gods.

JW: 1 Cor. 8:4-6 says “…there is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called ‘gods,’ whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords,’ there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.” See, the Father is God, not Jesus.

C: But you’ve already agreed there are two true Gods and this passage says there is only one God.

JW: You’re talking about the Trinity.

C: No, I’m pointing out that Jehovah’s Witnesses are polytheists who believe there is more than one true God, even though the Bible tells us there is only one true God.

JW: We didn’t come here to argue. [What?]

C: Okay, well, if you want to bring someone back, I’ll be glad to talk with them. [That hasn’t happened yet.]

This is all about logic. After all, if there is one God and if there are three persons in the Bible called God, then the three persons must be the one God. It is no surprise that I have yet to hear a coherent answer. I carried on an email dialog with one JW and after several months she ended our discussion with, “You just like to go around and destroy other people’s religions!”



http://www.clayjones.net/2010/08/a-question-the-jehovah%E2%80%99s-witnesses-can%E2%80%99t-answer/

BERNIMOORE: @benalvino



your post is dry! not even a single bible quote.


it was you who choose to misunderstood the fact, thereby making mockery of jesus


very good, but why didnt he kill them, lets see what is holding jesus;


ok lets see what bible say concerning what you just said;

hebrews 5:7

"During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and [size=14pt]he was heard because of his reverent submission[/size]".

who was jesus offering prayers and petition? is it himself? answer!

and who was jesus submitting to?

obeying whose instruction to die? whose will? lets see;

Matthew 26:39

Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet [size=14pt]not as I will, but as you will."
[/size]
why will jesus 'affirm' his fathers's will concerning his death, and not his own volition? keep running pls.

BERNIMOORE: @benalvino



you see how tight you are boxing yourself to a corner, bolded above is a pure diversion

if you can remember what culminate into this was that you said christ 'made himself' to take the form of a man, that is he obeyed himself to take mans form, now you changed that he is obeying death, How can he be obeying the instruction of death brother? when you really knew that what we are talking about is about obeying an instruction to carry out an assgnment, now see other translations explaining better who jesus was obeying his instruction to come down and take the form of a man

phill 2:8



New Living Translation (©2007)
he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal's death on a cross.

English Standard Version (©2001)
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by[b] becoming obedient to the point of death[/b], even death on a cross.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by[b] becoming obedient to the point of death[/b], even death on a cross.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death-- even to death on a cross.


NET Bible (©2006)
He humbled himself, by[b] becoming obedient to the point of death-[/b]-even death on a cross!

christ was obedient to the father ..[size=14pt]to the point of death[/size]! not obedient to death

Ihedinobi: @op

I may seem too hard and dogmatic about it, but there is a real reason that we are told to treat some people as heretics and have nothing more to do with them after having exhorted them concerning the Truth and this is no light matter.
I reject any claim to brotherhood with me when the claimant rejects the very reason of that brotherhood. I reject every claim upon Christ when the claimant rejects the Identity of that Christ.

ijawkid: @shedime

The king that has been appointed to reign recognizes someone as his superior who gave him rulership and kingdoms.......

It is obvious that the giver is not under the authority of the givee,while the givee remains under the authority of the giver....

No twisting can get you out of this....




Romans 8:17

New International Version
(©2011)
Now if we are children, then we
are heirs--heirs of God and co-
heirs with Christ, if indeed we
share in his sufferings in order
that we may also share in his glory.


I guess God would have to die well well since we are co-heirs with Christ.....

To call you mumu dey hungry me.......

deSika: so now have you seen the truth. And will you accept it

benalvino: please analyze rev 1:8 again... I dey wait.

benalvino: that is why john taught you that the WORD who is GOD became flesh

benalvino: @truthislight

"And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn." (Zechariah 12:10). The Speaker is the LORD God.

"And again another Scripture says, 'They shall look on Him whom they pierced.'" (John 19:37).

ijawkid: And again another
Scripture says, "They
shall look to him whom
they pierced." (John
19:37).


John exposed the truth by re-quoting verbatim what was suppose to be in zechariah 12:10.....

You in particular should be ashamed of yourself for using zephaniah 12:10 to prove God died and was pierced........

I've got Jewish renderings at my disposal to show the truth on zephaniah 12:10.....

ijawkid: And again another
Scripture says, "They
shall look to him whom
they pierced." (John
19:37).


John exposed the truth by re-quoting verbatim what was suppose to be in zechariah 12:10.....

You in particular should be ashamed of yourself for using zephaniah 12:10 to prove God died and was pierced........

I've got Jewish renderings at my disposal to show the truth on zephaniah 12:10.....

benalvino: @Ijawkid

you don't understand don't you? I deliberately didn't get to rev 1:8 I stopped at 7. God was speaking about Jesus that's what I mean... set a bait for truthislight and you fell for it.

benalvino: bros the topic is Jesus called him self alpha and omega... God almighty address that issue

deSika: Ijawkid ijawkid ijawkid how many times did i call you. So you are still defending your falsehood with dodgetiantis here Ijawkid ijawkid ijawkid how many times did i call you. So you are still defending your falsehood with dodgetiantis here

benalvino: how can it differ... shake your head well well... the people you call savior did they die for you sins? abeg make I hear tori.... Jesus is the savior the father is the savior there is only one savior....

I did not see other people being the redeemer who died for your sin and your pikkin pikkin sin in advance.

true2god: Accordin to JW, God didnt create satan but Jesus did. Nothin can be more contradictory dan dis.

benalvino: since the son is the savior and the father is the savior we have only one savior that is my point... that savior is Jesus and that savior is the father also yet we have only one savior...

those are not saviors... the only saviors(redeemer) is Jesus and the Father... and yet we have one savior

benalvino: satan was created by Jesus... so keep quiet... anybody can ask people to worship them just like satan. never a time the bible says Satan was equal in nature with GOD... I don't see Satan being call GOD with out him being idol. cause in reality he is not a god.

Bidam: Is Jesus your messenger?