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Frank4YAHWEH: I will proclaim Yahweh's decree: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have become your father (Psalm 2:7).

This is prophetic of when Yahshua would become Father Yahweh's son. Note that there was a time when Yahshua became His son. This tells me that there was a time that he was not His son.

No man has seen Yahweh at any time; the only begotten son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him (Yahchanan [John] 1:18).

Note the Trinitarian bias in the following transaltion of this verse:

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. - New International Version (©2011)

And people try to tell me that there is no bias in translation! Poppycock!

For Yahweh so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (Yahchanan [John] 3:16).

And this is the will of him that sent me, that everyone who sees the son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day (Yahchanan [John] 6:40).

Most of the Scripture passages that you have presented simply make it known that Yahshua is Father Yahweh's only begotten son. I do not deny this. We also can become begotten sons (daughters, children) of Father Yahweh, but this does not have anything to do with our pre-existing our birth or being born of a "virgin" just as it does not have anything to do with Yahshua pre-existing his birth and being born of a "virgin." What it is that I deny is that he pre-existed his birth and that he was born of a "virgin", not that he was Father Yahweh's only begotten son. He was the only begotten at that time, sin he is the first fruit of the "first fruits" of many begotten ["born again"] sons (daughters, children) As I had stated previously, I do not believe the accounts of Matthew and Luke as they have been translated and I prefer what is prophesied in Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word over the accounts of Matthew and Luke. Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word is what Yahshua, his disciples and the Apostles lived by. They did not have a so-called "New Testament", since this was written and compiled at a much later date. In order for the accounts of Mattew and Luke to harmonize with Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word, the Messiah was not born of a "virgin", but was in fact a desendant and of the seed of Dawid as Father Yahweh's prophetic word proclaims.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them (Isaiah 8:20).

The accounts of Matthew and Luke as they have been translated most definately do not speak in accordance with this testamony and His inspired prophetic word.

Yahshua: Born of a "Virgin"?
http://frank4yahweh.xanga.com/773295646/virgin-birth

Frank4YAHWEH: It is FATHER Yahweh's inspired prophetic word that suggest that the Messiah the SON of Yahweh was not born of a "virgin", since it prophesied that he would be a desendant and of the seed of Dawid:

* The Fruit of His Loins, According to the Flesh

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that Yahweh had sworn with an oath to him, that of * the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Messiah to sit on his throne; (Acts 2:30).

Kepha quoted from the following:

‘Yahweh declares to you that Yahweh Himself will establish a house for you: When your time is over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for My Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his Father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever’ (2 Samuyl 7:8-16).

This clearly contemplates this Dawidic heir is of the "flesh and blood" of Dawid. See also similar Dawidic-lineage prophecies for Messiah in Isayah 11:1-2 and Yeremyah 23:6.

Shaul too understood Yahshua was born of the flesh of Dawid:

Yahshua the Messiah our Master ... was made of the seed of David, according to the flesh;.... (Romans 1:3-4.)

Yahshua the Messiah of the seed of Dawid ...[2 Timothy 2:8].

Of this man’s [i.e., Dawid’s] seed has Yahweh, according to his prophets, raised unto Ysryl a redeemer, Yahshua. (Acts 13:23).

Yahshua being of the seed of Dawid or of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh as prophsied in Scripture can not be born of a "virgin". I choose to believe *THE PROPHETIC WORD of Father Yahweh that Yahshua, his disciples, and the Apostles lived by rather than the LATER TRANSLATIONS that erroneously translate Yahshua as being born of a "virgin."

frosbel: Because no one goes there now , and there is no one there now .

frosbel:

mcfynest: did you knw that jehovah was an error made by a monl by placing the vowels wrongly? i prefer YAHWEH

plappville: 1 corinthians 7: 6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
10 ¶ And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

See what i mean. First was not of a commandment why the second is a command from God through Him

plappville: Was Paul saying God (speaking) through Him or He was advising them personally?
I asked because, we see some verse when He will say, (its from me) and other He will say (from the Lord) so which one? Thanks alot.

plappville: Paul certainly cant be refering to the Sabbath God holy day as weak and Useless.

plappville: He was talking to new converts here abi? People who used to have thier own pagan feast, laws etc garding them before Paul preach Christ to them.

expertfingers: Gal 4:9 But now you know the true God. Really, though, it is God who knows you. So why do you turn back to the same kind of weak and useless rules you followed before? Do you want to be slaves to those things again?
Gal 4:10 It worries me that you follow teachings about special days, months, seasons, and years. I fear that my work for you has been wasted.
[ERV]

That was Paul the Apostle speaking...More relevant verses:

Col 2:16 So don't let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days).
Col 2:17 In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ.

plappville: Who said that?

musKeeto: ^^^^

U no well o...

Pastor Olu T: What i want to achieve or simply stating what the bible says is that Hell is real n beyond grave or pit.

Pastor Olu T: I thought u said i should replace Hell with pit/grave?

gbadexy: I think I heard that satan was arrogant and tried
to overthrow God in heaven in a battle led by
arch angel against the demons.
Now what was jesus' role in that scenario? Was he
in existence then and what role did he play in the
battle and was he mentioned in that scenario
specifically?
When was the first biblical documentation of the
contact between satan and jesus? Was it at the
mountain during the 40 days prayer or in heaven
before then?
Over to the experts here.

daviddext: Is it too good to be true or what ever you think. Yes I tell you. Why you may ask. Let me take you to the scriptures and to open your eyes to see what you never new

God talked about the birth of Jesus long before you great grand parents were born. In Isaiah 9:6 " For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" and Jesus said to the pharisees in John8:58 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am" compare his words with God's word to moses in Genesis 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: anms he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you"

THIS ARE NOT MY WORDS BUT OUR CREATOR WORDS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESERVED BY IS POWER. IF YOU HAVE ARGUEMENTS. PLEASE DO THAT WITH YOUR CREATOR,THE MIGHTY GOD. BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS TO KNOW HOW YOU WILL ACCEPT JESUS, I WILL BE WILLING TO ANSWER YOU.

daviddext: Jesus was the LORD that gave the command "Satan You Are Banished From The Kingdom Of Light And Glory". That was Jesus' role. He is God whom satn rebelled against.

musKeeto: Plaetton carry Christians for mind for this thread o... Let me skim through..

plaetton: We see here that by his own words, Yahweh had no legal jurisdiction over the affairs of Nineveh.

Pastor Olu T: Luke 16:19-31

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell (Pit/Grave) he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

I have done just that replacing Pit/Grave with Hell in the passage and still do not fit in?

plaetton: Thank you, shinealight.
I doubt if my christian friends are capable of grasping your points for what they are worth.

@Anony and co., lets examine your post closely.



Absolutely not.
But I must give you plenty of credit for your sincere efforts.
I have read this passage over and over again, and I suggest that you should do so too.
The last sentence reads " and the lord heard Hezekiah and healed the people".

So?Healed them from what?
When did the word "healed" become synonymous with the words forgave' ? , and why would the writers or translator choose to use healed instead of forgave?

What crime was committed against Yahweh and where does it say that Yahweh forgave anyone? I think you are just reading meaning into words carefully written in the bible.



Again, I urge you to read the above carefully as I have.

1st, what is very clear is that NO Crime, None whatsoever, Zero , Zilch is ever alleged to have been committed by the people of Nineveh, yet yahweh threatens them with destruction, we should assume , because of the greatness of the city.

Well, as they say, "the fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom".
So the king of Nineveh, along with his people easily capitulate, took a pro-active approach to surrender by wearing sacloth, ashes and fasting as a show of penance and loyalty to the wrathful power of yawheh.

Wearing sacloth covered with ashes, combined with dry fasting for an indefinite period of time by an entire population would be the cultural equivalent of walking and living naked in the market place in my home town.
That would be the 2nd greatest punishment next to death.

So technically, if at all the people of Nineveh they had committed any crime against Yahweh(though never mentioned), one could as well say that they deserved what they got.

But here, I don't see a crime or transgression against yahweh, and therefore the issue of forgiveness can hardly apply.
Whatever greviances that Yahweh may have had with the city of Nineveh, the people outsmarted him by pro-actively inflicting themselves with deeds of great discomfort in an attempt for recompense, restitution and appeasement.

In summary, Yahweh sent Jona to Nineveh to threaten the people.

This is what we would call a SHAKEDOWN in modern parlance.

The people got the message, terrified at the prospect of getting yahweh , they cowered, and then cleverly enacted acts of appeasement at great discomfort, pains and possibly death to the weak and vulnerable members of the population.

So, I am sorry Anony and co.
Great effort . You came very close,
But sorry, no cigars.

shdemidemi: Like I told you before, the invisible God appeared in the Old Testament. He walked, He spoke, His back was seen and all, in whose image do you think the 'invisible' God do all these things?

shdemidemi: please answer my question


Genesis 18:8

"And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; (these three men) and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."


All three ate, but who are these three people?

truthislight: But Jesus said:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18).



See, this below is the way that things in the OT
Was done:

"Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him." (Exodus 23:20-21).
.......

What was that ^ angel authorised to bear ?

You really need to start trusting Jesus.

He said NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD at "anytime".

Smh for you

freedom61: @ titingz i see yu are enjoying posting a criticism here, meanwhile your islam section mod has just started a movement to ban criticisms from that section. if you can do this here, then i see no reason why it cant be done over there.

take my word to him

freedom61: always want to argue yourself out shey. satan get angels with him where im dey. unfortunately fr you. Jesus dey with the father, so Jesus no fit get im own independent angels wen go dey do him bidding outside the fathers.

added to the fact that Jesus will = the fathers will

italo: Dont you get it?

The story is a lie.

Nothing like that ever happened.

It was fabricated.

In what language will you understand it?

plaetton: I commend you for your good effort.
However, all your references just reinforce my position that there is so much talk about forgiveness, but no biblical evidence to support the assumption that god forgives without commensurate punishment or recompense.

The biblical god, a.k.a Yahweh, in over 2000yrs of direct dealings with the hebrews, never ever forgave anyone without punishment.

frosbel: how come the old testament is silent on Jesus except in Prophecy ?

Also if Jesus pre-existed, and according to your logic there is ONE GOD but Three persons, how come there is only ONE Throne in Heaven with the one sitted on it referred to as the ancient of days, why should there not be 3 thrones for 3 persons ?