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Christianity EtcRe: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by truthislight: 9:14pm On Jun 17, 2013
You wish to believe what you want.

basically, God gave Jesus a Revelation, and as such, he spoke the words of Yahweh.

Since it was Yahweh that Gave him the revelation to give to John, it is Ofcouse obvious he said those about His father.

benalvino: cant run from the truth it will follow you...

Revelation 1:8-9

New International Version (NIV)


8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Jesus call him self the almighty... how you wan say someone call God name when jesus is the one talking... How can he just talk about him self then at the end he called another person the almighty... how will that make sense?
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" (Revelation 1:1).
.....................

You have to get used to that ^.


And dont forget this:

"Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw." (Revelation 1:2).
..........
^
It was the word of God all along.

And, less i forget, Yahweh is also coming, afteral, Jesus came to reconcile man back to Yahweh like it was in eden.

See:

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:2-4).
...................
^^
Yahweh will come and be with man.
Christianity EtcRe: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by truthislight: 8:52pm On Jun 17, 2013
benalvino: I didn't... like I said the word have different meaning... its not about how they twist English to mean something else whereas it is about how they translate a particular word. so KJV is not actually wrong. worship is worship there is not a single way you can differentiate it. David got the civil Homage.
So, king james version was wrong for using "worship" for david instead of homage you mean
Christianity EtcRe: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by truthislight: 5:44pm On Jun 17, 2013
benalvino: He made him self nothing... lol cant you get that?

Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant
,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

Guy you they play with English you think say I be mumu... No worry look for

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

what do you learn from the red fonts?

it clearly shows he made him self... like that. all the verse you brought no one shows who made him like that... but this one is telling you he made him self now you want to use English to twist... lol who made him so if he didn't drop all his deity?
All you have done there ^ is show the difference between christ and satan.

While satan wanted the position of God, Jesus christ simply humbled himself. Dazz all!
Christianity EtcRe: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by truthislight:
benalvino: I didn't... like I said the word have different meaning... its not about how they twist English to mean something else whereas it is about how they translate a particular word. so KJV is not actually wrong. worship is worship there is not a single way you can differentiate it. David got the civil Homage.
So, king james version was wrong for using "worship" for david instead of homage you mean ?
Christianity EtcRe: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by truthislight: 5:03pm On Jun 17, 2013
benalvino: meh...
now you agree that he is One with the father? the thing is Jesus never calls his father our father. he says my Father and your father... our relationship with the father is by adoption. that is why Jesus is the everlasting father.

Now do you believe Jesus and the Father are one both of them are same in nature they are the ONE GOD. john 1:1 except you want to render it as a god(idol)
that unity is found in genesis where God pluralize him self.

we have to go through the mediator. we have to be one unity with the son when we are in unity with him then we are in unity with the father... cause the father and him are one.

“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Why double standards ?

Same thing that was said about the father and son Jesus being one in unity you said no, that they are equal, but between us and christ being one, you said yes, that it is in unity that we are one with christ and not that we are christ and equal with christ.

Why double standard ? Are we equal to christ though we are in unity with him >>> we are one ?

Smh for you.
Christianity EtcRe: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by truthislight:
benalvino: I don't care about the rev 19 amd talking about 1:8
Ofcouse! You dont care about the bible and its consistency, you dont think the bible is consistent at all, all you care about is the pegan triology.

Revelation 1 talked about Jesus and then called Yahweh the almighty the alpha and Omega, just as it did in Rev22:6-13.
After talking about Yahweh, the God of the prophets, it then talked about Jesus, the root of david Rev. 22.16,17. Simple.

Revelation 19 is only repeating the thread of the whole bible that Yahweh is the almighty God as recorded in Exodus 6:3.

It is only a liar or an ignorant person that thinks the bible is inconsistent.
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight: 1:21pm On Jun 17, 2013
cool
Christianity EtcRe: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by truthislight: 12:27pm On Jun 17, 2013
Bidam: Jesus was never an angel.
The word "angel" means messenger.

cheesy ^
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by truthislight: 10:37am On Jun 17, 2013
manmustwac: Both of you should continue in one of the threads if u reply & continue here I will hide the posts. sad
Just dont hide my post please.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by truthislight:
Uyi Iredia: after dwelling on the matter to stop excusing God. Judging from my thoughts and those of my late mum's I think all Christians do. To be candid, I can, in theory, play the Devil's advocate for God.
Could be, for example, that Christians, love a God who killed a lot, kills and will still kill (even killing them).
You have every reason to fear Yahweh, cause you and only you knows your ways, simple!

As for me, i love Yahweh/Jehovah with every atom/cell in my body.

Not when he has provided infallible laws that will guide and protect me for as long as i will live............

A God that did every thing to ensure that the massaiah comes to rescue mankind.

That you fail to see the part that satan played to twart Yahweh's plans of sending the massaiah to redeemed mankind is your business.

How blind!

Satan was determine to ensure that the massaiah does not come in many ways/attempts, it took the almighty to get his way with all those scheming.

Yahweh let all his actions to be written down honestly, but without thinking certain people will not see who the enemy was that was behind such action like that of the Amalikite.

Who was the God of the Amalikite ?

The nation of Israel was almost exterminated during the time of queen Esther due to the foolishness of king Saul of Israel that fail to exterminate completely the Amalikite.

The man Haman in the kingdom of Persia and Media, during the reign of King Ahasuerus was an Amalikite that was bent in exterminating all Jews in that kingdom and India. (bible book of Esther)

All that ^, due to the stupideness of king Saul who cannot foresee the future like Yahweh.

You, with your blind eyes and mind like king Saul is here expounding foolishness of the highest order.

Keep deceiving yourself instead of you changing your dirty life style if there are.

Smh for you.
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight: 8:46am On Jun 17, 2013
benalvino: when he claim to be the son of GOD them wan kill am. he says he is one with GOD them wan kill am...
This law was the reason they had wanted to stone Jesus, they thought he was leading them to other gods, not that the thought Jesus was saying he is the almighty God:

"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage." (Deuteronomy 13:1-10).
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight: 11:23pm On Jun 16, 2013
deSika: ohoi, so since it was directed to who, its not relevant kwo.
whether it was spoken to Obama or the GEJ, the persoon that said it is definetly not wrong. do you agree with me on that. oops

of what use is this verse to our discussion
i am trying to show you where a certain Yahweh says he is sent by a Lord Yahweh and his Spirit. pls read my original write up on this. i think its in page 3 or so

the verse answers your question "why 3, why not 2 or 1 billion"
it shows
1. Yahweh
2. Lord Yahweh
3. Spirit

thats
1. Jesus
2. the father
3. the HolySpirit

triune God.......... na for bible e dey o. shocked shocked
"Red eye rabbit"
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight: 11:09pm On Jun 16, 2013
"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God for ever and ever." (Micah 4:5).

please,gentle men, what is the name of your God ? grin
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight: 10:15pm On Jun 16, 2013
benalvino: to help them with more passage
rev 1:8

And has made us kings and priests to God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7Behold, he comes with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty


if you them like make them say no be Jesus
In Revelation, after the talk about Jesus it is Yahweh and vis a vis.

Alpha and Omega is a reference to Yahweh in the bible.

The removal of the name of YahWeh was done to confused people and it has worked on people like you.
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight:
benalvino: Nope... Not the first to be resurrected... That is another doctrine to steal away Jesus title as the first and last... I dont see how you tie it... Let me help you he is thefirst messiah and the last messiah. He is the first that God created to create every other thing and the last that will create every other thing he is the first to give away his deity and the last to become a man etc. I could go on forging titles but no worry he is the FIRST AND LAST. beginning and end... Alpha and omega...
Lol.

I quoted a BIBLE portion back up what i said, but you just said whatever you want without a quote of scriptures.

See again:

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." (Colossians 1:18).

^^^

Now, dont just talk without scriptures please.

jesus is the first that Yahweh personally resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven and the last to be so resurrected personally by Yahweh, every other resurrection will be done by Jesus christ.

See my scriptural backing up there please, dont just input your motives all the time without scriptural backup in the bible.
Christianity EtcRe: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by truthislight: 7:56pm On Jun 16, 2013
benalvino: but he was equal with God...
^^^

Please, is your Jesus satan ?

Please answer.

It seems that is what your God is, not the son of God we know.
Christianity EtcRe: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by truthislight: 3:15pm On Jun 16, 2013
benalvino:
Some of them know me very well and they know my opinion
^^^

I dont know you starting from Adam!

cool
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight: 1:59pm On Jun 16, 2013
benalvino: and the bible says even if you call them gods and make them gods they are all false gods... that there is only one GOD. how is that hard for you people to understand?
Does the bible say that the holy spirit or Jesus is the "one true God" ? No, rather, Jesus says the father Yahweh is the one true God. QED
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight: 1:48pm On Jun 16, 2013
benalvino:
lol excuse to that... will he be the last to resurrect?
"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." (Colossians 1:18).

Jesus is the first and the last.

The first that Yahweh personally resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven and the last to be so resurrected personally by Yahweh, every other resurrection will be done by Jesus christ.
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight: 1:29pm On Jun 16, 2013
deSika: it still doesnt make sense to you. Then your case is very serious o.

The word became flesh and dwelt among us... Is it not in your bible. When the word became flesh did it stop being the word. If it doesnt still make sense. I dont know what to say again o
When humans go to heaven are they still humans ?

If no, apply that ^ to christ coming to earth with flesh and blood. Simple.
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight: 1:18pm On Jun 16, 2013
deSika: am sure you know the father is God. Am also sure you know that Jesus is called God with a capital G and mighty God. And yes the holyspirit is God. Question answered.
The bible did not directly say the holy spirit is a God.

If you wish to use that title i will help you and add other things and persons that the bible calls god.

1. Satan is a god.
2. Wood is a god.
3. Stone is a god.
4. Angels are called gods.
5. Humans Are called gods.

^^^

Do you need more gods to satisfy your urges for many gods ?

You cannot accept some and leave some if you say Yahweh is not enough for you.

Smh head for stupidity.
Christianity EtcRe: For Frosbel, Ijawkid And Other Non Trinitarians by truthislight: 11:44am On Jun 16, 2013
deSika: is it that you just love to argue.
Was Jesus ever a spirit being. You would answer yes.
Was Jesus ever a man. You would answer yes. The spirit being Jesus and the man Jesus are they different people, are they not the same person.
When Jesus was on earth he was a man.

Are you saying that when human are transformed and taken to heaven, that they will still remain as men in heaven or they will be given spirit body ?

If men going to heaven will be transformed and take on heavenly body, why is the transformation of Jesus christ to man being denied by you ?

Pls, go, cool down and read 1cor 15.
Christianity EtcRe: Wooing A Lady With The BIBLE by truthislight: 11:20pm On Jun 15, 2013
Alfa Seltzer: Yeah, that one always sits on the front row and sings highest.
grin
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Muslims, Atheists - Pls Hell Is Real! by truthislight: 8:52pm On Jun 15, 2013
alexleo: You want to get involved as a co agent of lies with frosbel that you are? I am never tired of battling you liars.
On whose or what authority are you creating this scandal of bad manners ?
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Muslims, Atheists - Pls Hell Is Real! by truthislight: 7:51pm On Jun 15, 2013
alexleo: See what fear can do to a hopeless preacher. Keep displaying your shame with your idiotic teachings which are only meant to deceive people to eternal damnation. God will not allow you to succeed. AGENT OF SATAN. His bitter truth is knocking your satan colonised head on the hard wall and here you are crying. Cry man, cry if you care but the truth must be told.
"christian"!
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Muslims, Atheists - Pls Hell Is Real! by truthislight: 7:17pm On Jun 15, 2013
Image123: Why would anyone take a person who does not know, or cannot say if he has eternal life seriously? frosb, do you have eternal life?
What is eternal life ?
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Muslims, Atheists - Pls Hell Is Real! by truthislight: 7:06pm On Jun 15, 2013
plappville: Sisterly, i greet ooo, longest time. This hell fire subject dey treaten 9jas seriously ooo....many die andcome back revelationsss everywhere.
Ah! See ^ ma plepp sis.

Sis how far nah ?

Longest time, great seeing ya!

Hope all is well with ya ?
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Muslims, Atheists - Pls Hell Is Real! by truthislight: 7:00pm On Jun 15, 2013
[quote author=outc@st]LWKMD!!!

You are so lucky that I have dropped this 'olodo' thingy tongue

It seems you and some other persons are used to striktlymi...[/quote]grin
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Muslims, Atheists - Pls Hell Is Real! by truthislight: 6:58pm On Jun 15, 2013
Alfa Seltzer: Good morning Striktly ,

How is your family?

OLODO!

Have a lovely day,
grin

lol.

Hoping strik did not fall for this provocation intent post. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Doesn’t The Teaching That Jesus Is Not God, But The Son Of God, Demean Him ? by truthislight:
Lovely write up @op.

The trinity shrouds out all what Jesus stands for.

In other words, we human cant achieve the fit of Jesus standing firm to do God's will as human/man, "it takes a God to serve God faithfully"(satan claims humans will not)

Well, Job did and Jesus did, since he was a man with blood.

Satan says that human cannot serve God except he bribes us.

Well, i will heed this counsel from God and imitate the example of the man Jesus:

"My son, be wise, and make my heart glad, that I may answer him that reproacheth me." (Proverbs 27:11).
Christianity EtcRe: Wooing A Lady With The BIBLE by truthislight: 5:42pm On Jun 15, 2013
Logicboy03: lmao.... grin grin grin grin craze dey worry u!

laff wan kee me!
grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Wooing A Lady With The BIBLE by truthislight: 5:36pm On Jun 15, 2013
striktlymi: @logicboy
^^^


...as if there was a time you respected Sacred scriptures.
Lol.

You did not take note of the style of writing in the OP.

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