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Alfa Seltzer: Shows what the bible is really. A book of manipulation. A joke of a book. A useless tool good for brainwashing those with hormonal imbalance. No wonder churches are full of foolish women .

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Ah! I see, like your neighbours wife you said you had been sleeping with.

wives are not happy to have a husband that sleeps around o.

Hoping your wife is very happy with your skillful escapade.



Dont mind this "donatus" church women.

you are having problems with titles, i have shown you that the word God/god is a title that satan, stones even bear, let alone Jesus christ.

deSika: na wa when you say Jesus is the son of God. which God are you referring to.

see what the bible says:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6).
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The bible calls the son "mighty God".

deSika: so why are you now bringing satan is called god into the issue.

Because the bible calls satan god:

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:4).
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I am not the one calling satan "god".

But the word God get category.

deSika: permit me to rephrase myy questions as i see that you are an artful dodger.

pls take note, when i say God I mean the creator God.

We have Yahweh the almighty God the one that gave his son Jesus power to create as a master worker.

Then Jesus, the son of God, the mighty one, the one called "mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6.

deSika: i will now proceed to use the word god without a capital letter
1. the son of the creator/almighty god is a what.

Error! ^
how can the son be the almighty God ? What will the father be called then ?

Did you not read the Exodus 6:3 that Yahweh is the almighty God ?

deSika: can a cow have a goat for a son

No. The son of a cow is a cow and the son of a goat is a goat, that is why the son of almighty God Yahweh is called "mighty God", Isaiah 9:6.

deSika: 2. what kind of spirit being is Jesus

Jesus was a powerful spirit person befor coming to earth via a miracle done by the father for him to come as a man with blood to pay the ransom.

deSika: a. an angel (non creator god) spirit being

The word angel means messenger, if Jesus ever went on a message for the father,
what do you think that makes him ?

Apart from the father Yahweh, Jesus was above all other personage in the univers.

After Jesus faithful service here on earth, he was further elevated by Yahweh as a reward for a faithful service in making the fathers name and will known:

"And again, when he(the father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Hebrews 1:6-9).
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The father annointed the son and exalted the son.

deSika: b. creator god spirit being

Jesus was and is still Yahweh's master worker.

deSika: what you failed to understand is this my friend.
God the father is also called mighty God, why will Jesus be called the exact name of God the father.

Error ^

The bible calls Yahweh the almighty God.

And Jesus the mighty God. QED.

benalvino: That same Jesus called him self God almighty

That ^ is False!

Only from a dishonest heart that say father and son are equal.

That a king and a prince are equal.

That prince charles is equal to the king/queen of England.

deSika: uhm your case is a serious one o. First of all. Am sure that you understand that Jesus is the word. The bible says in the begining was the word. The word was with God. The word was not with God as a man. The word became flesh. The fleshy Jesus and the word that was with God are the same essence. The word became flesh, became man and as a man must need have a blood. Does not remove the fact that he is still the word (a non man). Does it still not make sense to you.

You tell me, does that make any sense to you ?

I dont know why you are drawing what that is not important.

There were angels when God created the earth, and the first person that Yahweh created is Jesus, simple.

Why are you saying that Jesus is Yahweh ? Why not the other angels that Yahweh created after Jesus ?

deSika: good, you are coming up. JESUS and YAHWEH were there. No angels. Thats good.

So can i get you to confirm to me that you agree that there is a 'more than one person' about God when he says 'let us'

Then from there we can move on.

deSika: good, you are coming up. JESUS and YAHWEH were there. No angels. Thats good.

Where do you get no angel from ?

Did you not read this:

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (Job 38:4-7).
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See ^ what the the bible says happened up there in the bible and stop imputting your personal opinion.

deSika: So can i get you to confirm to me that you agree that there is a 'more than one person' about God when he says 'let us'

Nonsense!

This are two separate persons.

you are having problems with titles, i have shown you that the word God/god is a title that satan, stones even bear, let alone Jesus christ.

deSika: na wa when you say Jesus is the son of God. which God are you referring to.

see what the bible says:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6).
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The bible calls the son "mighty God".

deSika: so why are you now bringing satan is called god into the issue.

Because the bible calls satan god:

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:4).
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I am not the one calling satan "god".

But the word God get category.

deSika: permit me to rephrase myy questions as i see that you are an artful dodger.

pls take note, when i say God I mean the creator God.

We have Yahweh the almighty God the one that gave his son Jesus power to create as a master worker.

Then Jesus, the son of God, the mighty one, the one called "mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6.

deSika: i will now proceed to use the word god without a capital letter
1. the son of the creator/almighty god is a what.

Error! ^
how can the son be the almighty God ? What will the father be called then ?

Did you not read the Exodus 6:3 that Yahweh is the almighty God ?

deSika: can a cow have a goat for a son

No. The son of a cow is a cow and the son of a goat is a goat, that is why the son of almighty God Yahweh is called "mighty God", Isaiah 9:6.

deSika: 2. what kind of spirit being is Jesus

Jesus was a powerful spirit person befor coming to earth via a miracle done by the father for him to come as a man with blood to pay the ransom.

deSika: a. an angel (non creator god) spirit being

The word angel means messenger, if Jesus ever went on a message for the father,
what do you think that makes him ?

Apart from the father Yahweh, Jesus was above all other personage in the univers.

After Jesus faithful service here on earth, he was further elevated by Yahweh as a reward for a faithful service in making the fathers name and will known:

"And again, when he(the father) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Hebrews 1:6-9).
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The father annointed the son and exalted the son.

deSika: b. creator god spirit being

Jesus was and is still Yahweh's master worker.

deSika: what you failed to understand is this my friend.
God the father is also called mighty God, why will Jesus be called the exact name of God the father.

Error ^

The bible calls Yahweh the almighty God.

And Jesus the mighty God. QED.

deSika: no connection bro between what you posted and what yu highlighted.

Was Jesus called God in your bible. YES
was he called mighty God. Yes
was he called everlasting father. Yes

i showed to you that there is a scriptural difference between mighty God and almighty God.

There is a difference between mighty God and almighty God.

If You want to deny it or start lying, good for you, i have done my part.

deSika: oga does singing for joy mean that they were among the creators uh. one thing you can do for yourself is to
1. show where angels create or have the ability to create
2. how does job 38:4-7 show that the angels were involved in creation.

oga inshort your verse clearly says that it was God that made the earth and others. and it was the job of the angels to sing and not for them to partake in the creation business.

does that help you


by the way did Micah 5:2 and heb 1: 8 help you to understand that Jesus is not a mere human being.i want to know whether you are beginning to catch it little by little.

You are only trying to press on your unscriptural idea that has no bone in the scriptures.

There were other people there when the earth was created, simple.

I also showed to you that Jesus was there and Yahweh was there, this two have the power to create, since Yahweh gave Jesus that mandate.

What you are arguing for is all in your head and have no scriptural basis.

There were different people there to ensure that that discussion ensued. simple.

deSika: it should not make no sense to you o, try and understand it. just stay tuned and i will show you from the scriptures soonest. my only worry is this, when you see it in the scriptures will you believe it.

You did not give answer to the question if Jesus as spirit person can pay for the ransom of mankind ?

Joagbaje: No rather I issue different translations that can break the truths into simple language for those who confuse themselves like you. . And I believe I'm at liberty to use any translation or is there a Nairaland recommended translation?

Chei ! Joe dollars dey do guy

Joe, e be like say tithing cash dong drop for church.

I have learnt not to take the words of Joe dollars to the bank, so i went and produce what he said bellow

Joagbaje: @Jesuslord85

Says who? Can you quote the scripture ? Dog , horse,Carmel are all unclean animal . God only said not to eat them. If people could rear horses why can't they rare pigs .

Matthew 8:32-33
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine. . .

If you study that passage ,the shepherd of those swine were Israelites

"And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters." (Matthew 8:28-32).
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How can one verify from that ^ that that the swine headers were Jews ?

Even though it was a samaritans village, the samaritans of Jesus day were a mixed race of Jews and gentiles from the former 10 tribes of Israel.

Joe will do anything to keep the cash rowing

JesusisLord85: Sorry my brother, I must refute you. Leviticus is full of passages where, if one goes back on a promise he must add 20% on top of the value of what ever is pledged. Example below:
Leviticus 27:18-19 "But if they dedicate a field after the Jubilee, the priest will determine the value according to the number of years that remain until the next Year of Jubilee, and its set value will be reduced. 19 If the one who dedicates the field wishes to redeem it, they must add a fifth to its value, and the field will again become theirs.

So there you have it. By the way, one fifth is same thing as 20% for anybody reading this thinking 'why is he highlighting one fifth'.

hundred(100) divide by five(5) = twenty(20)

100/5 = 20

Dont mind rubber joe

its just left for him to carry Gun to turn armed rubber

Joagbaje: .


I didnt want to enter debate . I only wanted to clarify you. So pls lets keep it scholastic and not make it a messy war.

Let me give a little background . The principle about tithing is "of all possession" . Abraham' gave tithe of all .

Genesis 14:20
. . . And he gave him tithes of all.

Genesis 28:22
. . . : and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Luke 18:12
. . . I give tithes of all that I possess.

God demanded animal and crop as offerings and tithes because they were used in the temple for national offerings and sacrifices as well as welfare of priests. How ever it's not every crop or animal that God accept as tithes and offerings. He didnt accept unclean crops and animals because they were not used in the temple. God only took what was usable. You couldn't give tithes of Carmel,dogs ,snakes or pigs etc because they were unclean . Does it mean these unclean farmers were exempted from tithing ? No . They had to give cash equivalent , it is called redemption. People had the option of giving tithes and offering by cash or kind. If you give it tithe in cash ,you add 20% extra cash.

Leviticus 27:31
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.

So cash was given as tithe in bible days. Salary earners fall under this category too

Luke 18:12
I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income. . . .

Joe dollars

You will be happy to receive someones house as tithe.

Anything to keep the money coming.

JesusisLord85: The Sabbath is holy. Isaiah 66:23 " And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord"
That is end time prophecy.

Jesus said in Matthew 24 "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day".

Jesus expected Sabbath to be observed come that time in 70ad. And Isaiah suggests it will be observed right at the end.

Shalom

The flight of 70 CE.

Lol.

You should have come up with something new na ?

This is an old trick of the bag.

Joagbaje: 3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

This scripture is not talking about material prosperity, rather, it was talking about prospering in the Truth(increase in knowledge of the word of God).

Why did you not quote the scriptures in full ? See:

"Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth. I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth ."
(3 John 1:2-4).
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Not material prosperity.

Joagbaje: 2 Corinthians 8:9
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich,

You should know that christ was in the form of God in Heaven, but emptied himself to come to earth to save us.

Joagbaje: yet for your sakes he became poor,

see above.

Joagbaje: that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Yes, spiritual riches, connected to the father, the source of life. Which other riches is greater than life eternal.

Joagbaje: Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;

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spiritually poor.

The pherisees and levites that should have fed the people word of God did not do that, as such, the common man was spiritually malnuriched, just as you are feeding people with material prosperity instead of the truth which is the word of God. John 17:17.

Joagbaje: he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,

The word of God gives hope.

Jesus word, being the truth gives hope.

The Jews were in the promise land then, so, they were materially rich

Joagbaje: to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised.

The words of Jesus are the truth, knowing the truth sets one free.("know the truth and the truth will set you free"

Joagbaje: So which gospel did you get your poverty from?

Well, i dont preach poverty gospel, but rather, the message of the hope of literal eternal life in God's kingdom:

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;[color=#990000] and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:2-4).

This is the kingdom that christ had asked us to preach for, "as it is in heaven also upon earth".

Angels dont die in heaven, do they ?know the truth and the truth will set you f

[quote author=From_Guiriga]Jesus is the begotten/unique/only one son of the Father. God is spirit. If Jesus is in the form of God, I take it he is also spirit.
That is my understanding.I cannot speak for anyone else.[/quote]You spoke for me also there ^.

striktlymi: Now I am getting very confused!

I need to understand your position here...

Are you saying from the above quote that eating blood is okay but taking it via injection is wrong?

I should be the one telling you something like that ^.

You said eating it is bad it seems, but infusing it is good.

striktlymi: You did not answer my question.

I have answered your question perfectly.

striktlymi: Sorry but I fail to get your meaning! Can you 'break' it down to my level?

Transfusing or injecting hard drugs into the body asted of eating it changes it from being drug abuse or taking drugs.

Just as Transfusing blood changes it from violating the instruction on eating and taking blood.

striktlymi: Can you tell us what they were using blood for at the time of the Apostles?

Multivitamines are food then.

frosbel: you totally stumped me with this one, where did God say we should not take blood transfusions.

Also is GOD in the habit of saving life or not ?

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God must really hate the apostles of christ for letting them to die.

God really failed for not saving their lives then.

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shdemidemi: If you want all of your 'dumb' questions to be answered in the bible, the bible would be so big, everyone might need to go to Jerusalem to have a glance.

Our body responds to biology and our spirit responds to God. We are not restricted by the gospel to take care of our body through medications.

Blood is not food.

Uyi Iredia: OT verses that condemn eating cows

Adam was not asked to eat meat.

When the instructions were repeated to Noah after the flood to eat meat, he was Imediately told not to take blood.

Allowance for eating of meat started with Noah after the fall of man.

Uyi Iredia: or abstaining from women on period are glossed over).

why not speak for yourself ?

Uyi Iredia: Even truthislight overlooks the part of Gen 9:4 where flesh is not to be eaten.

"But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat." (Genesis 9:4).
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Read ^ it again.

Uyi Iredia: • it overlooks the point that Jesus's death fulfilled the law

"That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts 15:29).

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Uyi Iredia: • it overlooks the possibility that Paul's use of the term blood could be 'metaphoric' not literal.

It was not paul that wrote it, neither was it paul that said it.

Paul was just a messenger.

Read it here again:


"For it seemed good to the Holy spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts 15:28-29).

Peace

frosbel: Let's assume ( God forbid ) that my son needs a blood transfusion to survive , what do you think I will do ?

Are there conditions for your obedience to God ?

Well, not all christians are like that, there are christians that are ready to obey Yahweh at all times even though there Lives are at stake.

Do you remember the apostles ?
Their hope of future life was based in their Obediedience to Yahweh.

frosbel: Of course it's obvious , I will generously permit the doctors to save his life by any means.

Yes, at any means even at the expense of disobeying the source of life and giver of life.

The one whose hope of resurrection is the hope of all christian that have died.

frosbel: We have to be careful that our interpretation of the bible is not based on an organisations point of view but the bible.

"That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts 15:29).

Between God and man who should christians obey ?

Our future life depends on who ? Frosbel ?

After taking blood, after disobeying God, we still expect him to resurrect us right ? How faithful !

Smh.

As though blood taking offers eternal life or those that take it dont and wont die again, or that taking it is the final Medical remedy, the Utopia.

As though there are no alternatives

[quote author=outc@st]Even the passages you quoted were referring to the use of blood for food.[/quote]Ok, if i get you right, if i dont want to abused drug by eating it via the mouth, i can use modern technics of infusing it and i will no longer be abusing it right ?

Smh.

shdemidemi: He could fulfil it because the bible says "He was made flesh"

and blood.

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Then he was not a spirit nor was he almighty God since he had blood. Simple.

shdemidemi: He could fulfil it because the bible says "He was made flesh"

and blood.

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Then he was not a spirit nor was he almighty God!

shdemidemi: He could fulfil it because the bible says "He was made flesh"

and blood.

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Then he was not almighty God!

shdemidemi: He could fulfil it because the bible says "He was made flesh"

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Then he was not almighty God!

Mr anony: Lololol, interesting how in order not to expressly admit that you read your own interpretation into the verse, you try to throw a bit of mud out there in the hope that I'll try to "protect" Jesus' reputation.
Basically all you've really done is play the trick of "if you don't agree with me you are calling Jesus a liar. You had better agree with me if you want to keep Him honest."

The verse still remains exactly what it is. Jesus never denied His deity rather He affirmed it.

Here's a verse for you to ponder.

"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star." - Revelations 22:12-16

Till tomorrow, i still wonder how any Christian can read the above and still say that Jesus Christ never claimed to be God.

The almighty ^ is not of the "root of david".
The almighty is not the "morning star"


You know that place is talking about two persons, the first person is Yahweh, the father then Jesus christ.

see:


"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:6-13).
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That ^ is talking about Yahweh that sends His angel.

After Yahweh sends his Angel, then Jesus sends his angel in subsequent vers 16 below:

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Revelation 22:16-17).
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The almighty is not of the root of David.

Yahweh is not a morning star.