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Islam › Re: The Meaning Of Al-Quran by truthman2012(op): 3:56pm On Dec 19, 2012*

vedaxcool: As a child could read? Did you have any choice in matter whether to read or not? If not? Why did your parents force you to learn since you were a complete illiterate then? Answer this question and your have answered your question!

Gabriel said recite! It means the Recital! Simple and short!

Since you practice evangelism by lies, I will leave you to find the source of your torture story, atleast why was Jesus tortured just because of other persons sin?

Scribes wrote it down for him, the same way secretary take down the minutes of a meeting.

The qur'an is called the recital not the reading, as usual ignorance has no place in Islam, but for argument sake even the pagans of mecca asked why don't a book come from heaven, Allah reveals the truth the way he wants. Now I ask you the same question, if the bible was meant to be read why didn't God send down the bible in book form instead it came through a dubious inspiration business in which mathew and Luke copied wholescale from Mark?

For one who worships a man the bible accords rapistz, inceztrous, aldultrous, murderous, prostitutious, etc ancestry to stand here labelling other people beliefs as false when the greatest falsehood lies on his palm must really be the only way you rationalise the unreasonable beliefs in the bible.

I don't know how to answer you because you don't know the quran or you are lying which is another name for islam: lai lai (lie lie).

My friend Gabriel did not command Mohammed to recite but read. The likes of sweetnecta cannot say so.

Wait a minute: even if it is recite (which is not anyway), what has Gabriel revealed to Mohammed that he commanded him to recite? Wouldn't he tell him something first before he would command him to recite. He appeared to him the first time, Mohammed did not know him, no prior revelation and the first thing is command him to recite. Recite what? Liars.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 3:38pm On Dec 19, 2012

Sweetnecta

There are many things you cann't understand as a carnal man. Spiritual things are for the spiritual people.

You still refer to Mohammed as 'another Comforter'. Spiriual ignorance. Another Comforter is the Holy Ghost. How can you say Mohammed, a sinner, a killer, a rapis.t in war, a man who beheaded and burnt many people alive is a comforter? Is that how to comfort people? Do you know the English meaning of comforter?

Do you know why Jesus talked about the Comforter? Jesus said ''I will not leave you (disciples) comfortless''. Why? Because he was leaving them in the midsth of those who hated them for testifying that Jesus is the Son of God. People like you (anti-christ agents) who hated Jesus for who He is (Son of God).

How was Mohammed to comfort the disciples for the departure of their master when he was not born at that time? The whole event too place in Israel not Saudi Arabia. When you talk, say something reasonable.

You accept that jinn also means demon (evil spirits). Then why are muslims dealing with demon by way of magic (charm)? The job of alfa in islam is to make charm for people who need spiritual help. I know many of them in my area, they even lead worship of Allah in the mosque. I know one who has a mosque in his compound. I read on this site that Mohammed was giving lecture to a demon (jinn). It means islam has direct relationship with demons - God's enemies which again means muslims are friends to God's enemies.

The spirit that revealed quran to Mohammed impersonated God's Gabriel to deceive human race. That spirit was not from God. Carnal people like you may not be able to dectect and so many others like you under satanic deception. A mad person cannot discover is mad until the demon inside him/her is cast out. Likewise, you cannot discover you are under deception until demon gabriel is cast out of your life. All you are saying is not you, it is gabriel inside you speaking.

When you see Jesus you will know it is Jesus. When you are in the spirit everything becomes clearer to you. Besides, a demon cannot speak in favour of Jesus. Did Gabriel speak in favour of Jesus? No, because he was a demon. He came to support those who killed Jesus for saying He is the Son of God. Therefore if a Spirit appears to a person and talks in favour of Jesus, it is Jesus.

Islam › Re: The Meaning Of Al-Quran by truthman2012(op): 1:45pm On Dec 19, 2012

@sweetnecta

Your answers are off-points as they do not address the questions. I have advised you to link up with your fellow anti-christ agents (those you place their video) possibly they will be of help.

Let me help you a bit. Reading is different from recitation. Are they the same? You read only from what is written and recite from what is memorized. Mohammed was not commanded to recite but to read. Isn't it? My questions are clear.

Mohammed was commanded to read what? Gabriel had not said anything yet nor came with any written documents. Read what? Mohammed himself was surprised at the command and he asked 'what can I read'? Why? Because there was nothing to read.

What a liar is Gabriel and his sender commanding illiterate Mohammed to read when there was nothing to read. The Bible says Satan is a liar and the father of all liars (John 8:44).

Gabriel came introducing islam with lie and violence. He strangled Mohammed thrice for no offence. What can be more violent than that? If he could torture Mohammed who he wanted to use to carry out his deception, who could he not deal with. No wonder the killings being carried out by muslims throughout the world.

When Gabriel is blood-thirsty, he has the muslims he uses to supply blood. All muslim nations are never at peace. The Bible says there is no peace with the wicked.

Gabriel is a violent spirit and this is why muslims are violent beings. Their religion was introduced with violence and once they are possessed with the spirit of islam (demon Gabriel), they become wild, violent. The more a muslim read Gabriel's message (quran), the more wicked he becomes. Every alfa I know looks wicked, ready to kill.

Please note that Mohammed's Gabriel was not the same with Mary's Gabriel. That of Mohammed was a wicked and violent spirit from Satan while that of Mary was a gentle spirit from God as he didn't punish her before he delivered his message. Besides their messages are not the same.

A writer said muslims are the first victims of islam and so it is. Anything Gabriel/quran says against Jesus and Bible is a lie because he is a liar. Quran is the book where all demon Gabriel lies are stated in writing for the deception of mankind.

Islam › Re: The Meaning Of Al-Quran by truthman2012(op): 10:46pm On Dec 18, 2012

Sweetnecta: let me advise you mr. truthman2012.

tbaba explained what Quran is to you. you dubiously refused to accept what the definition is among muslims.
the muslims practice the meaning of Quran, everyday.

you are neither a muslim nor an arab. how in this world created by God did you come to know the meaning of Al Quran more than muslims the world over?

if you are a nupe, how can i a non nupe man know the meaning of the word nupe more than you? if you didnt know how disingenuous your argument is, there it is. it is ridiculous that it stinks.

the arabs know the root word of QRN and in all forms it can be used. the book before it was written down was called Quran. The first verse revealed, indeed the first word is IQRA. you dont read what you are just told in oral form, but you must repeat it first as in recitation of what you heard.

You are still dodging the five questions I asked. This is unusual of you. Itemise them one by one as you used to do and respond to them individually before I draw my conclusions on the subject and make it known to the whole world.

If you don't know (as it seems now), you can link up with your co-anti christ agents for reinforcement, local and foreign.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 9:08pm On Dec 18, 2012

Sweetnecta: truthman2012 and his mislabeling.

is God 1? according to truthan2012, not but 3. so to him God is human; Jesus, ghost; the holy [kind of] Ghost.

he has the smart to call God a ghost, but he does not believe that there is a jinn; unseen spirit that has free will like human and will be subjected to judgment, like human.

so he believes that there are only demons, but no jinns.

@Truthman2012: whats the holy ghost?
is it a jinn or demon? if it is neither, tell us what it is, plainly.

from your bible, there are many spirits of God, please are all the same kind or different? tell us about each, its nature and tell us if it a demon, a jinn or what, exactly. or are they all ghosts? how many and how is one ghost different from the other in the group?

Spiritual things belong to spiritual minds as carnal minds cannot comprehend them. The Bible in the book of Revelations Chapter 12 makes us to understand that there was war in heaven and eventually Satan and his supporter-angels were cast down. These cast-down angels are now called demons (evil spirits). Some of them now live in waters (rivers and ocean), some in the air, trees, etc.

You must have noticed the quran never mentioned demons. Why? Because Gabriel is one of them. He led you into deception that there are jinns, some good some evil and that is why muslims contact jinns through arabian magic or charm. They don't see anything wrong with magic because that is the source of islam.

I ask you, can you be associating with jinns (demons) - God's enemy and expect to be in God's paradise? Never. The English people say the friend of my enemy is my enemy.

Islam › Re: The Meaning Of Al-Quran by truthman2012(op): 6:38pm On Dec 18, 2012

@Sweetnecta

I want to advise you to go back to the questions raised and read with good attention. Make sure you really understand it and respond appropriately. I still cannot connect your long story to the issue at hand.

Islam › Re: Simple Spiritual Equation by truthman2012(op): 4:08pm On Dec 18, 2012*

Sweetnecta: @Mee234 and truthman2012; if it is your belief that we are all lying, tell me which comes first speech of the professor and your writing his teaching down in a lecture? i have seen many people who hardly take down notes in lectures. for example most public lectures today are listened to by the audience. many songs can be song like the original singer by just listening to it. if mere songs can be memorized, imagine what God gives to humans as spiritual words that spanned 23 years. is your argument that Quran is not what is recited? what do you think Quran is, then? give us the definition of Qirat, Iqra, Al Qari, AL Quran.

I wonder if it was not a thing to be recited what is it and why are we reciting it? The most noble in honesty is the one who was told to tell something against himself, against his family, against his tribe, against his nation, against his people that he told it as he was exactly told, in words, exactly. it is very easy to have hidden what was revealed to him in secret. After all, the enemies of Islam always say that no one saw Gabriel. Since Muhammad [sa] did not lie about Moses [as] Pharaoh, regardless of his paternal grandmother [Hagar] being an egyptian, did not down grade Mary the mother of Jesus but elevated her as he was commanded as the best woman, saying Jesus is the christ, instead of not saying it, I say Muhammad [sa] is okay by me. God says Muhammad [sa] is okay, who am i to say no? Further, all the arguments put forward in the Quran are extremely logical and easy and complex minds to absorb.

which satan give a message and says to the receiver please curse me when you recite this message? all who recites it till the end of time must curse me?

how many satan are there? the one i know is cursed by Muslims.

the one you know is blessed by you?

in Islam we are told to seek refuge of Allah against the accursed satan.

what are you told in your Bible, since we in islam are definitely the opposite of you? do you praise satan or you are copying us to curse satan? please post how you praise the accused satan, except that you will be copying Islam in this case.

Who is copying who? When did islam come? Which religion first existed? You people are funny. Where did Gabriel get the history he revealed to Mohammed wrongly and incompletely?

Satan had been cursed by God already. He knows human curses have no effect on him as the curse of God is superior and is enough. He allows you muslims to curse him to deceive you so that you will not know he is the one behind the message brought by Gabriel, which you call the quran.

Gabriel started his revelations with a lie and violence by strangling Mohammed almost to death. So islam has been violent and continues with violence througout the world till date. Remove islam from the world (even in Nigeria), there will be peace everywhere. Wicked Devil's religion. We are knowing them by their fruits.

Islam › Re: The Meaning Of Al-Quran by truthman2012(op): 2:10pm On Dec 18, 2012

donroxy: Truthman,

Another thread of yours again.... Hmmmmm........ Ur third thread within 3days ........ Na wa oooo....... Is this not same topic we were debating in ur previous thread........

U have not asked a reasonable question here...... Because u shd be able 2 provide ur source where u read ''muhammad was tortured 3times and forced 2 read by Arch-angel Gabriel.......

It's like Questioning God, why was Jesus born with holy spirit as against the way other prophets were born.......

Ohhhh, the mother of jesus erred about holy spirit as jesus father was somewhere else in nazareth....... Do u see how crazy that sound...... Dats how crazy ur questions sound!!!

As a reasonable man which u claimed 2 be, the first question u will ask me is:

Donroxy, gimme the source where u read jesus was not born of Holy spirit but his father were somewhere else.............hmmm.......

I ve 2 come dis low 4 u to understand how ur question sound......

Give us ur source and we shall answer ur question......

Another vituperation and Propanga.......!!! Am expecting another thread of urs before Night........

Are you quareling with the word 'torture'? Your islamic scholars know that is correct. But if that is your excuse for not wanting to reply, remove the 'torture' and take only 'forced'. Or was he not forced when he was told to read the first, second time before he finally responded the third time?

By the way, what does it mean when Gabriel strangled Mohammed the first three times he appeared to him? That is what I mean by torture.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 1:48pm On Dec 18, 2012

donroxy: @Truthman 2012...........

u ve jumped into another issue entirely, why do u like derailing ur own thread........ By d way,

Just note that, There is answer 2 every question u asked concerning Islam.... The answers are always scriptural(Quran)........

Yes, the Quran made us 2 understand that there are two distinct BEINGs on planet earth .... We human and the JINN........ Other than Animals right....

The Jinn are also divided into two groups; Those that enjoined Goodliness/Godliness and the Bad ones just like we human!!!

What u heard 4rm dat Alfa is also correct!!!!

As 2 ur vituperations, thats what u usually resolved to, i think am used 2 it!!!!

Gabriel was a demon (evil spiri) that was why he recorgnized jinn. He only impersonated an angel to deceive the spiritually blind. There are no jinns anywhere but demons. His first approach to Mohammed shows he was a demon.

Islam › Re: The Meaning Of Al-Quran by truthman2012(op): 1:35pm On Dec 18, 2012

Sweetnecta: which group of people [tribe] you belong to mr. truthman2012?

if i know, i can use their story which you will be most familiar with [hoping you have heritage from that culture; stories, etc] to explain what Quran means.

This does not answer the questions raised.

Islam › Re: Simple Spiritual Equation by truthman2012(op): 1:32pm On Dec 18, 2012*

tbaba1234: ^Islam is what defines my character.... I try to emulate the best of mankind, the prophet muhammad (may the peace and blessings be upon him).

Maybe someday, you too will come to Islam and discover true tranquility.

But other muslims I know who did not live with the christians at the start of their lives (when a child is learning good or bad behaviours) are not the same with you.

They are fighters, arsonists, killers, having no kind words. They do not have the virtue of Jesus.

Islam › Re: The Meaning Of Al-Quran by truthman2012(op): 1:07pm On Dec 18, 2012

Abdul Adam56: Did u heard dis or u read it?If u read it wch book?Pls

Hear or read what? That the meaning of quran is 'the reading'? Or that Mohammed was not commanded by Gabriel to read? Are you a muslim? If you are, you need to acquire knowledge about your religion.

Islam › The Meaning Of Al-Quran by truthman2012(op): 12:57pm On Dec 18, 2012

When Gabriel appeared to Mohammed, the first command he gave him was 'read'. Mohammed as an illiterate man could not read but after a torture three times, he was forced to ask ''what can I read''. This is where the quran derived its name 'the reading.

The narration above poses some questions:

Firstly, why should an illiterate man be forced to read?

Secondly, what was there to read as Gabriel did not come with any writing or book? That Mohammed asked ' what can I read' shows there was nothing to read. IT MEANS GABRIEL STARTED HIS REVELATION WITH A LIE.

Thirdly, after Mohammed was tortured to read, was he able to read afterward?

Fourthy, the quran was revealed as recitation which Mohammed memorized, how do you read from the memory of Mohammed as Gabriel did not tell him to write it down.

Fifthly, if Allah had wished quran be named 'the reading', one would have thought that Gabriel would come with the quran in written form and handed over to Mohammed to be read by people. Why wasn't it so?

I want the muslims to react to the questions first before I conclude that the quran is a bunch of falsehood and confusion.

Islam › Re: Simple Spiritual Equation by truthman2012(op): 12:02pm On Dec 18, 2012

@tbaba

It is a pity that you were once with children of God and you were not converted. This kind of situation is very rare. I pray God will have mercy upon you and intervene in your case.

Even thought you are not converted, it still reflects in your manner that you once mixed with the christians. If you recall, I once called you a refined gentlleman. At that time I never knew your background, there was something I noticed.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 11:47am On Dec 18, 2012

donroxy: Who am I to persecute u......thats funny though...

Muslim belief in Jesus christ among other prophets of Allah(swt)..... Muslim must also belief in Gospel of jesus(the message jesus was dissipating which is ''people must worship only ''ONE GOD'' ......... ONE and ONE GOD ALONE, NO PARTNER MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH GOD) among other scriptures NOT the scriptures written by John,luke,mark inspired by PAUL!!!!

Muslims among other Monotheist(jews,judahist et all) MUST never believe that ''Jesus is the son of God''

Muslims Among other monetheist MUST never believe in Holy Trinity ''God the father, who is Also the son, who is also the Holy Spirity''

ISLAM IS INDEED THE WAY AND THE TRUTH!!!!

Liars. How can revelations from a demonic angel be the truth? May God open your spiritual eyes.

I read a thread here by buzola, one of your muslim brothers that said Mohammed gave lecture to a jinn (evil spirit). How did he contact an evil spirit and were relating together - giving him lectures he learnt from arch-demon Gabriel.

How can you believe Gabriel and Muhammed carry God's message? What can be more corrupt than demons' messages?

Like I said in one of my posts, muslim alfa are doing nothing but arabian magic. After studing the quran, the next thing is to learn arabian magic and you are bold to call them men of God. Which God?

You cannot associate with evil spirits in this world and expect to be with God in paradise. Never.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 9:05am On Dec 18, 2012

donroxy: Dear brothers and sisters in islam ......

No matter how detailed and articulate u are to insinuations by Truthman ...

Quran 2 Vs 120 is what u shall later resolved to and also Quran 109 ........

Glory be to Almighty Allah (swt)!!!

Kudos 2 sweetnecta and bigmanahmad also Tbaba

Donroxy, your declaration here is your own will, not God's. Jesus knows how He will save His own even among muslims. Though they may face stiff persecutions from people like you, their souls are worth more than the persecutions.

Islam › Re: Simple Spiritual Equation by truthman2012(op): 8:51am On Dec 18, 2012

Mee234: you know what the word 'al quran' means right? You have enough Arabic knowledge to that the word mean compilation of books or something in that region. The way Islamic apologists try to make Arabic word mean what they are not especially when talking to non Arab speaking persons is a bad thing.

Thanks, Mee.

I defined quran as a message of Satan delivered by demon Gabriel. How do I know? Demon Gabriel came to re-establish the denial of Jesus as the Son of God as done by the Pharicees and Saducees. That Jesus called Himself Son of God was the reason they killed Him. The quran is a continuation of the persecution of Jesus.

Islam › Re: Simple Spiritual Equation by truthman2012(op): 8:35am On Dec 18, 2012

@donroxy

I initially thought you were serious and that was why I wasted my time reacting to your posts. Your use of words shows you are a joker. Gbam, hahahaha, etc. You keep repeating the same thing.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 11:09pm On Dec 17, 2012

@bigmanahmad

I appreciate your articulate and detailed explanations but I am sorry to tell you that I do not agree with them.

I cannot accept your interpretation of sura 2:62 as a statement refering to the past christians just because the word 'believed' is a past tense. Christians are christians whether then or now.

Again, sura 4:136 says ''O ye who BELIEVE in Allah and His messanger and the Scripture which He hath revealed unto His messanger and the Scripture which He revealed AFORETIME. Whosoever disbelieveth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messangers and the Last Day, he verily hath wandered far astray''. Here the quran approves of christian scripture which is the one revealed aforetime.

Therefore any other parts of the quran as you have quoted that condemned the Bible (which is the Scriptures revealed aforetime) amounts to contradiction among other contradictions in the quran.

When was the christian scriptures altered or corrupted after Gabriel had accepted it as genuine in the sura quoted above? The Bible did not derive its authenticity from the quran anyway.

Who carried the cross of Jesus? You quotations are right but you would notice that Matthew and Mark agree or at least two agree and that is what is required. ''It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true'' (John 8:17).

I had ealier said that when there are two or more writers on an event, there writing cannot be the same verbatim. It was only Gabriel who spoke in the quran and yet the are many contradictions, an example is one on christian scriptures mentioned above.

Islam › Re: How To Break A Spell Or Magic - Jinn by truthman2012(m): 7:01pm On Dec 17, 2012*

Abuzola: Likewise Muhammad, jinn come to him for lecture

What would a jinn need human lecture for? Mohammed was a friend of jinn (demon, evil spirit) and was giving it lecture? Birds of the feather.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 5:24pm On Dec 17, 2012

bigmanahmad: @truthman
As you have said,we muslims believe in Jesus and the revelation given to him. The glorious Qur'an tot us that the injeel (popularly translated as GOSPEL) is no more in the form in which Jesus preached it. Bear in mind that when Quran mentioned about the injeel given to Jesus, it does not necessarily mean that it was a test book which jesus tot to his followers, it most certainly means that it was a revelation given tot to him by the angel, which Jesus preached to his people... his people later wrote them down..

There are many gospels but only few made it to the bible. Amongst them are, the four canonical Gospel (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) some of whom were not the desciples of Jesus. What was the original lang of the bible, HEBREW? GREEK? ARAMAIC?
lets be logic here, Jesus spoke aramaic yet the new testament was written in Greek...care to explain why?
TRY THIS AT HOME
there are three main lang in nigeria (Yoruba, hausa, igbo). PICK A YORUBA SENTENCE, TRANSLATE TO HAHSA, THEN TO IGBO THEN ENGLISH and see what will happen to the original meaning of the word when it was in yoruba..most times, it will change.

ARAMAIC----->GREEK----->ENGLISH...WHAT DO YOU EXPECT...
THAT IS WHY YOU FIND EACH GOSPEL CONTRADICTING EACH OTHER

What were Jesus’ last words?
Matthew has Jesus shout “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”:[Matthew 27:46,50 (NRSV)]
Mark’s account is almost identical[Mark 15:34, 37 (NRSV)]
In Luke, though, Jesus’ last words are “Father, into your hands I commend my spirit”:Luke 23:46 (NRSV)]
John confuses matters further, having Jesus say “It is finished”:[John 19:30 (NRSV)]
WHO CARRIED THE CROSS OF JESUS SIMON OR JESUS

TO MENTION FEW

You made a number of assertions here, one correct and others wrong.

You said there were many Gospels but only a few made it to the Bible. That is correct. There was nothing the Devil didn't do to corrupt the Bible but God would not allow him to succeed. Devil's success means victory over God and it cannot happen.

Before the Bible was compiled into one Book, the Scriptures were in various parchments. There were many other writings of various people? some of them magicians some occultists.

They all wanted their writings incorporated into the Bible including the so-called
6th and 7th book of Moses, which was authored by a magician. It was the early christians who by the Spirit of God discerned the word of God among the writings. This shows the Scripture had been in writing (including the ten commandment) for as long as God knows.

The quran never condemned the bible, instead it approved of it (Sura 2:62). What the quran is quarelling with is the sonship of Jesus, which was the message of angel Gabriel to Mary (Luke 1:35) and God Himself confirmed the message (Matthew 3:16-17, Luke 3:21-22). The same denial was the reason the pharises and saduses persecuted Jesus before islam. It is the same spirit behind it.

As for interpretation from the original language of the Bible to other languages, I don't see any problem in that. The Hebrews, Greek and Aramaic people are still alive today. Many of them can read the Bible in other languages and there has been no complaint from them.

As for Jesus last words, two writers agreed, others did not disagree, they were only silent on it, silence means consent. When more than one writer cover an event, they cannot write the same thing verbatim.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 3:22pm On Dec 17, 2012

proo212: @Truthman, these questions have been asked countless number of times and answers cannot be given, just posturing.These same questions are asked on different boards/blogs that I have read and the same, no answers can be given. And the truth is they have no answer.

History tells us the Quran we have now is not complete. Some versions are 114-116 chapters. Which is the correct version. Also, the copies that were burnt by the Caliph Abu Baker, why were the copies from Hafsah burnt and new copies rewritten? Which ones did the goats eat? Which ones died with those ho memorized them?

Thank you bros.

We are saying what we are saying not because of these people who know the truth but are twisting it, especially their leader, sweetnecta. We are saying it because of innocent souls who are following them ignorantly.

Mohammed kept asking for forgiveness of his sins till he died. He knew he was an unforgiven sinner. If the leader is a sinner, what is the fate of the followers. It is pure spiritual blindness.

Their case is like the blind leading the blind. What will happen?

Islam › Re: Simple Spiritual Equation by truthman2012(op): 2:43pm On Dec 17, 2012

@donroxy

Firsly, I am stating the truth, I am not into ordinary argument with anybody.

Secondly, you raised some issues which require my response, not an argument.

You said Jesus never claimed to be the Son of God. That is untrue. He did (John 9:35-38, John 10:36). God Himself confirmed it (Matthew 3:16-17, Luke 3:21-22, Mark 1:10-11).

You see, what the religious people in Jesus time were quarelling with was that Jesus called Himself the Son of God. The same thing religious people of today (muslims) are doing. This is the reason they deny the Gospel is not what Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote. Whereas they could not produce the Gospel written by any other.

You said Mohammed was only shocked at the sight of an angel. So, was he shocked the first, second and third time seeing an angel? Besides, the case was not that of shock, Gabriel physically strangled him to the bossom three times. This is how demons operate. They rule by instilling fear into their victims to force them to obey.

That christians call Jesus the Son of God is not their own making. It was the message of God delivered by the TRUE Gabriel, which was confirmed by God Himself.

God Himself never confirmed the message of Gabriel that appeared to Mohammed. Throughout the quranic revelations God did not speak a word. The only it appeared like God spoke at all was in Mohammed one night journey to paradise but that was only a dream - not a reality.

God could not have spoken to His prophet only in one night dream on what is as important as salvation of mankind. That was not how God dealt with His true prophets, He speaks to them directly. You never can trust a dream or interpret it perfectly.

Mohammed didn't need to be taken to paradise before God could speak to him. It was all a demonic manipulation.

Islam › Re: Simple Spiritual Equation by truthman2012(op): 10:42am On Dec 17, 2012

@Geewan

For your information I have answered tbaba but if there is any one you think is not answered, let me know.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 10:10am On Dec 17, 2012

@sweetnecta

You said a lot of things that make a sensible person wonder how you reason.

How can you say Mohammed was invisible?

How can you say Mohammed was the Holy Spirit?

How can you say Mohammed lived in the disciple of Jesus when his forefathers were not born yet?

If Mohammed lived inside the disciples of Jesus, wouldn't they be fighting and fornicating about like him (a warlord, a man with insatiable se.xual urge)?

What can you call holiness in the life of Mohammed, an addicted sinner?

Frankly speaking, you are not honest with yourself and I pray you don't die a liar.

I am not a friend of satan but I can imagine how he looks like. Condemned to everlasting fire by God, he would never look happy and so do those who are deep in islam look.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 9:17pm On Dec 16, 2012

Sorry you an old man yet you used to post lenthy threads. You are trying. I am not a young man either.

My long thread is the appropriate response to yours. I am sorry to say you have said nothing new in this lastest post of yours.

Islam › Re: Simple Spiritual Equation by truthman2012(op): 8:53pm On Dec 16, 2012

@donroxy

Thank you. You said different prophets at diferent times (including Jesus) had their Scriptures but not written. I have said something on this before but for you sake, I will repeat it for the last.

Ghazzah said the quran talks about a christian book which he said it needed not be written. I defined a book for him by saying ''a book is written documents fastened together''. You cannot call something a book and say it is not written. It was a frivolous defence.

You have said something similar by saying the prophets' Scriptures were not written. What is Scriptures? The Oxford Advanced Leaners' Dictionary defines scripture as the Holy Bible. It again defines it as the sacred BOOK of other religions. I think I don't need to define a book again.
Therefore it is incorrect to say the Scriptures were not written and it is the Bible.

You said the Gospel was not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke John. The Gospel as written Scriptures or documents was written by who?
Where can you find Gospel Scriptures written by others apart from these people?

You said quran is not a story book. There is a difference between story and history. The quran incompletely talked about Moses, Abraham, Jesus and other prophets who had gone long before. What do you call that?

You talked about angel Gabriel. I have reasons to believe that the angel Gabriel that spoke to Mary was not the same with the Gabriel that spoke to Mohammed. Firstly, the angel Gabriel that appeared to Mary was a gentle spirit. He told Mary that she was going to have a child who will be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35). The angel was so gentle that Mary could ask a question - she said how can this be when I know no man?

The Gabriel that came to Mohammed was a wild spirit (not a gentle spirit like that of Mary). He started by strangling Mohammed almost to the point of death three times forcing him to 'read'. The Gabriel knew Mohammed was an illiterate man, yet he punished him for his inability to read. Mohammed could not dare ask his Gabriel any question possibly for fear of torture. Was that an angel from God?

Again, Mohammed's Gabriel said Allah does not beget nor is He begotten, meaning Allah does not have a son. Mary's Gabriel said God's Son was to be born through her while Mohammed's Gabriel said Allah does not have a son. Can you see the clear differences between the two Gabriels? Anyone that is unbiased must see that the difference is clear.

The muslims are thinking of Jesus as a son brought to live vide se.xual relationship. No. Jesus is a spiritual Son of God. God is capable of doing anything He wants whether human being agree with Him or not.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 4:28pm On Dec 16, 2012*

@ sweetnecta

First of all, I notice that this question is being dodged by all of you and I repeat it again: the muslims say they believe in Jesus and that the Gospel was given to Him by God. Right? Then, what are the teachings of Jesus in the Gospel and where did they find it since they don't accept the existing Gospel?

Now let's come back to your answers to my questions. In your attempt to answer the questions, you rambled and gambled a lot. Let me summarize your answers and put my own comments.

1. Who tampered with the Gospel? (a) You said '' it was tampered with because it has 4 versions''. I believe you mean Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I am sure you know they were four different individuals. If four different people write separately on an event, do you expect them to use the same words verbatim? If four journalist cover an event, do they write the same words verbatim?

The fact that four people wrote the Gospel and the four said the same thing make it more credible than the writing of one person (i.e one version).

The only time you can quarel with it is if their statements contradict one another. Here your case is struck out for want of evidence as you failed to point out any contradition in their writings.

It is your quran that has versions with diffenrent interpretations (contradictions) on the same subject. You have Marmaduke Pickthall, Shaktar and many others interpreting arabic writings contradictorily.

(b) You talked about Paul and his epistles. What is epistle? It means 'letter'. Epistles are letters written by Paul to the churches found by him, in which he gave them advice on the faith. Epistles are letters and not another Gospel as wrongly alleged by you. You muslims too have hadiths written by many leaders of islam. These hadith writters expressed their view on islam and they are inconsistent with one another.

2. Where is the original that was tampered with? You said ''you guys have buried it''. Where did you see the original that was buried? What is your proof there was an original that was buried? It shows your religion permits you lie defending it? No surprise, satan is a liar.

You also talked about the 66 books in protestants Bible and 73 in catholic Bible. The catholic's case is another deception of the Devil like islam where he (Devil) succeeded in passing his message as God's message to the people. The catholic worship Mary instead of Jesus as done in the Bible.

The catholic and the muslims have some things in common possiblly because both of them are under satanic deception. Islam is comfortable with catholic and that was why they borrowed the use of rosary from them.

3. How did you know the original was tampered with? You said ''the lack of the original is the evidence''. How reasonable is this answer? You could not produce any evidence that original Gospel existed because you don't know the author or what it contained nor have a copy. You are talking of something that never existed as the original of the existing one. This is very serious. The fact that you are incorrectly trying to fault the existing one is not the same as having another original.

4. With what did you compare the existing Bible before you came to the conclussion that it has been tampered with? You said ''Jeremiah let you know that OT is corrupt''. How? You said ''Moses wrote his own death and burial and that let you know the OT is corrupt. Your assertion here is subjective, it is just for fault finding.

Moses death was recorded in the book of Deuteronomy 34 which is the last chapter and the last book of Moses. He was alive up to chapter 34:1-4. Verse 5-12 recorded his death.

It was the practice of prophets of old to go to mountains to seek God's face. They would go and come back to the people and go again. So Moses went to mountain of Nebro and he was communicating with the people up to 34:4. When no more words were coming from him, it is logical that the people would look for him. Getting to the mountain they discovered he was not there and his body was not found and it was believed he had died and buried by God or His angel.

Common sense dictates that Moses could not have stated the number of years he lived on earth after his death as in verse 7. It was the people that said it and everything afterwards which they added to Moses writings.

You talked about Mohammed being the Comforter again? When will you muslims stop trying to legitimize the prophethood of Mohammed by refering to the Bible. You people don't know what you are doing at all. You are worried that Mohammed is not a true prophet and every spiritually intelligent people know and you now seek his legitimacy from the Bible.

You said the Bible is corrupt and and yet you are taking from it to support Mohammed being the Comforter. You muslims are not only deceived you are confused as well.

Jesus said ''the Comforter is the Holy Ghost'' (John 14:26). Is Mohammed the Holy Ghost? Jesus said ''the Comforter is the Spirit of truth (Holy Spirit) whom the world cannot receive because they seeth him not, neither knoweth him but ye (disciple ) know him for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you (John 14:17)''. Was Mohammed invisible that the people see him not? Did people not know and see Mohammed? Was Mohammed born at that time to dwell with Jesus disciple?
Seek your prophet's legitimacy elsewhere.

About your video, who is that satanic-looking man (an anti-christ) telling lies from the pit of hell? My explanations above (through the help of the Holy Spirit) have debunked all his lies.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 5:14pm On Dec 15, 2012

Sweetnecta, quite some days. You are welcome.

You defined Gospel as good news. You are absolutely right. But you said it is remains good news if it is intact. Yes.

My questions:

1. Who tampered with it?

2. Where is the original that was tampered with?

3. How did you know the original was tampered with if you didn't see it?

4. With what did you compare the existing Bible before you came to the coclussion that it has been tampared with.

Please note that it is against natural and spiritual justice to make allegation without evidence. You must prove beyond reasonable doubt.

If you say the Bible is tampered with, you must be able to provide ACCEPTABLE evidence(s) otherwise you are making frivolous allegations. The whole world is waiting for your answers to the above questions with evidences.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 1:28pm On Dec 15, 2012

Are there no more muslims in the house? Your inability to respond shows your claim is hypocritical. Hypocrisy is a sin against God.

The fact that you claim you believe in Jesus and the Gospel is an indication that you know you are required to believe. But instead of believing truely, you only pay lip services.

Those who are muslims today, especially those who read your threads which are the sources of their confidence in islam should by now know they are being deceived.

The Gospel, which is the teaching of Jesus Christ cannot be found elsewhere other than the Bible. How do you believe any other Gospel which you don't know and can't find? What do you believe about it?

When the quran talks about the Gospel, it should be able to tell what it is and where it is if it is a complete book. But the Devil only wanted to put muslims in suspense and confussion because he is an author of confussion.

Repent, accept Jesus and be saved.

Islam › Re: What Is Islam by truthman2012(m): 8:39am On Dec 15, 2012

mr capable: What is islam? Islam is the world everlasting religion,sent to all humanity.it is the religion of instinct which was preached by prophet mohammed (saw) who called men to it so as to bring them up from darkness to light and by which Allah closed the even messages. the religion before Allah is Islam(1)
Allah said in the Holy Quran "This day i perfected your religion for you and completed my favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion"
He said "We sent thee not,but as mercy for all creature.[color=#006600][/color]

Islam does not and cannot bring anybody out of darkness as you said. Where did you get that?

Even the quran says all muslims are in darkness. Sura 33:43 says ''He it is Who bless you and His angel bless you that He MAY bring you forth from darkness unto light and He is merciful to the believers''

The word 'may' confirms that muslims coming out of darkness is yet to happen and not certain.

Islam › Re: Muslims Say They Believe In Jesus by truthman2012(op): 9:08pm On Dec 14, 2012*

How does your response answer my questions? Do you understand the thread at all?

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