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@ ayenny02

All you have stated does not answer my questions. Is it that you don't understand them or you are pretending?

Let me reframe the questions may be you will understand this time: Gabriel appeared to Muhammad for the first time. He did not bring any written document and commanded him to 'Read'. Read what? Is that not a LIE? Yes or No.

You said Gabriel brought the revelations from Allah to Muhammad to recite to the people. Revelations can ONLY come in three ways: Writing, Voice or Picture. Did Gabriel bring the revelations in writing for him to READ and cram and later recite to the people? Or did he bring Allah's audible (recorded) voice for him to hear and cram and later RECITE to the people?

What the Quran says is 'READ' not RECITE because Allah teaches by PEN (writing). Allah does not teach by RECITATION. Why should Muhammad be ordered to read as an illiterate man? Why should he be punished for his inability to read as an illiterate man? Is that not an act of WICKEDNESS on the part of Gabriel?

Pressing Muhammad three times almost to the point of death, is that not an act of VIOLENCE?

What did Allah teach Muhammad by PEN (writing)?

For the purpose of clarity, please answer the questions paragraph by paragraph ommiting none.

As for your list of contractions, I am only waiting for your answers to the above. I will answer them. Let's do it one after the other. I promise.

I pray and miracles happen. Infact I pray for miracles to happen. What is the reason for praying if not expecting a miracle? I am telling you my personal experience. I cannot lie to you and thereby offend God. Never.

I have prayed for a SS patient who I visited because she did not come to church on a Sunday and immediately after the prayer in Jesus name, she became well.

There was a brother who was suffering from a disease the doctors could not diagnose. In the company of my wife and another pastor, we prayed for the man. As we were praying, the man (a tall man) fell down and a voice spoke through him, which was not his own voice. We knew it was the voice of the demon troubling him. The man because well and is now in UK. These are just but a few miracles I have personally witnessed.

I tell you the truth, miracles happen in Jesus name. No other name can do miracles. This goes to confirm the words of Jesus in the Bible. He said in my name we will heal the sick and cast out the devils. It is happening live.

Believing in a miraculous Book, which cannot impact the power of miracles on its believers is meaningless.

Satan knows the universe, he knows sciences even the ones man is yet to discovered. Of a truth, he has access to all of God's creations and can tell so much about them.

@ ayenny02

I cannot find in all your posts where you said Gabriel did not tell a LIE when he said 'READ' and he did not come with any written document to be read. OR 'Recite' when he had not said anything to be recited.

I cannot find in all your posts where you said Gabriel was not VIOLENT when he pressed Muhammad thrice almost to point of death.

I cannot find in all your posts where you said Gabriel was not WICKED when he punished Muhammad for no offence.

You have not even answered how Allah taught Muhammad by pen (writing) and yet he could not read and write till he died. Is Allah a good teacher? What is your answer?

Yet you said I should go back to your posts. You have been caught in lying twice in this thread. You are qualified to be called a LIAR.

lanrexlan: Brother,read Isaiah 29;12-''And the book is delivered to the one that is not learned,saying read this,I pray thee and he said I'm not learned''.
Who's the unlearned and what's the book?

If you believe the quran is from satan(nausoubilah),then you must the bible is from satan also.

You said anyone that denies Jesus true status is a liar and deceiver,then his apostles are deceivers and liars.
Acts of Apostles 2;22-''O men of Israel,hear this words;Jesus of nazareth,A MAN approved of God amongst you through miracles and wonders which God did through him in you midst,and you bear witness.''
A MAN approved of God,meaning a prophet not son of God nor God nor God in Human flesh.

Gospel of John 5;30-''I can of myself do nothing,as I hear I judge and my judgement is righteous,for I seek not my own will but the will of my father you sent''.
Jesus can't do nothing by himself,all the miracles is performed is through God.....Peace

Although I always like your gentle approach but I discovered you are mixing things up.

Isaiah 29:12.
Did the quran talk about a Book?

Was the quran delivered to Muhammad as a Book?

Did Gabriel come with a Book for Muhammad to read?

Was the quran not revealed by recitations?

Why therefore did you think the Book in that quotation is referring to quran and Muhammad?

Read verse 11: It is a vision that is compared to a book that is SEALED, which MEN (not spirit like Gabriel) delivered to the one that is LEARNED. The same book is delivered to the UNLEARNED in verse 12. The statements are a proverb not a real book.

For your other questions: Jesus is both the Son of Man because He came through a woman and Son of God because He is the Word of God. You cannot separate a speaker from his word. Since Jesus is the word of God, you cannot separate Him from God. You are what you say.

lanrexlan: Brother,how can satan inspired prophet muhammed(pbuh)? When the accusation you made against the prophet was made to him by the pagans of Makkah during the revelation of the glorious Quran,that prophet muhammed(pbuh) received revelations from satan,then Allah revealed the following verses.

In Surah Al-Waqiah 56;79-80''A book none can touch but the purified ones(The Angels).A revelation from the Lord of alamin(mankind,jinn and all that exists)''.

Surah Al-Isra 17;88-''Say;If mankind and jinn were together to produce the like of this Quran,they could not produce the like thereof,even If they helped one another''.
Surah Al-BAQARAH 2;23-And If you(Arab pagans,Jews and Christians) are in doubt concerning which We have sent down(Quran)to our slave(Muhammed(pbuh)),then bring a surah(chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses(supporters and helpers) besides Allah,if you are truthful''.

If the Quran is from satan(nausoubillah),then he(satan) will be telling his followers to seek refuge from the most gracious Allah when reading the Quran,and not to follow his footsteps abi?.Allah said in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-maidah 5;90-''O you believe! Intoxicants and gambling,using arrows for seeking luck or decision are abominations of satan's handiwork.So avoid strictly that abominations in order that you may be successful''.
Allah told muslims in many verses of the glorious Quran that we shouldn't follow the footsteps of the accursed one,satan.Verily,he is a plain enemy to humans.Allah posed many challenges to humanity that If the Quran is from any other person other than ALLAH,then should produce a book or a verse somewhat similar to the Quran.For the past 1,400years,nobody has ever to produce the like of the Quran......Peace

All your quotations is still the quran testifying to itself. You should not expect it to say otherwise. Do you expect it to accept the accusations against it.

It was the same Satan who played the roles of Allah, Gabriel and Satan, all for DECEPTION.

Any spirit or man who denies the true status of Jesus is a LIAR and DECEIVER (1 John 2:22-23).

The contents of the Bible were not said in opposition to islam or Muhammad because islam had not come. The Bible was referring to the Pharisees and Saducees who were playing the roles muslims are playing today.

When Satan lost grip in using the Pharisees and Saducees because of the expanssion of Christianity, he came up with another strategy by introducing islam. Muslims and Pharisees and Saducees are one and the same in belief and faith.

ayenny02: Thank God you accepted that JESUS IS A MESSENGER OF ALLAH and SON OF MARY not a Son of ALLAH, so the next thing for u now to accept islam as your religion

Why were you lying before. It means I know the quran perfectly more than you do and I exposed your LIE.

You have still not said anything about Gabriel starting his revelations with LIES, VIOLENCE and WICKEDNESS. Was that how the true God revealed His words before Muhammad? Yet you called the quran 'holy'. What is holy about a book containing LIES, VIOLENCE and WICKEDNESS?

It does not matter the status the quran (Satan) gives Jesus (Son or Messenger), the TRUTH is that it is only Him who has the power to save. The Devil has no choice but to declare Him the MESSIAH.

I will respond to your long post on what you called contradictions. I have gone through the quotations, and as usual of you, they are misinterpretations deliberately or due to your shallow understanding of the Bible.

ayenny02: @truthman2012, please I need ur answer

ARE U SURE THAT THE BIBLE IS HOLY (YES or NO)

1a). 2 Samuel 24:1
24 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1b). 1 Chronicles 21:1
21 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

QUESTION------( is lord of david then satan)


2a). 2 Samuel 8:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.

2b). 1 Chronicles 18:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots.

QUESTION--(seven hundred OR seven thousand)


3a). 2 Samuel 10:18
18 And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.

3b). 1 Chronicles 19:18
18 But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.

QUESTION--(seven hundred chariots OR seven thousand men? Forty thousand horsemen OR footmen? Shobach OR shophach)


4a). 2 Kings 8:26
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel

4b). 2 Chronicles 22:2
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

QUESTION---( twenty two OR forty two years)


5a). 2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

5b). 2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.

QUESTION---(eighteen yrs OR eight yrs? Three mths OR three mths and ten days)


FROM NEW TESTAMENT

1a). John 5:37
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

1b). John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?


2a). John 5:31
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

2b). John 8:14
14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.


ARE U SURE THAT THE BIBLE IS HOLY (YES or NO)

YES. YES. YES

This long post will derail the topic. It should be posted under what you people call Contradictions. See u there.

ayenny02: Q4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Pls where did you see your own translation. Atleast you shud have accepted that Jesus was just a messenger of God not son of God. Maybe you did not read it very well.

Brother, leave the falsehood and accept the truth religion

You keep dodging something: What do you see to Gabriel starting his revelations with LIES, VIOLENCE and WICKEDNESS?

You people have started replacing Allah's revelations like Muhammad did in his life time? Are you are trying to 'perfect' it?

Pickthall 4:171
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The MESSIAH, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him.......

See also Shakir 4:171. I am not surprised you are lying, you practice a lying religion. A religion that the foundation started with FALSEHOOD.

ayenny02: Q4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Pls where did you see your own translation. Atleast you shud have accepted that Jesus was just a messenger of God not son of God. Maybe you did not read it very well.

Brother, leave the falsehood and accept the truth religion

You keep dodging something: What do you see to Gabriel starting his revelations with LIES, VIOLENCE and WICKEDNESS?

You people have started replacing Allah's revelations like Muhammad did in his life time?

Pickthall 4:171
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The MESSIAH, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him.......

See also Shakir 4:171. I am not surprised you are lying, you practice a lying religion. A religion that the foundation started with FALSEHOOD.

ayenny02: Brother, you are very funny, how will I accept Jesus as my saviour where himself can't save himself in Bible and don't forget that u have accepted that your Bible was full of lies

When Jesus was hanging on the cross, the chief priests, scribes, and elders mocked Jesus, saying,  “He saved others; he cannot save himself. He is the King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him

Also in
Mark 15:34 says "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?....WHY CAN'T HE SAVED HIMSELF

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"?  Can't GOD do anything he wills? 

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

If Jesus was a SAVIOR, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?

There is nowhere I accepted the Bible is full of lies. You misterpret my statement as you misinterpret the Bible.

You have nothing to say to Muhammad false prophethood and Satan that pretended as God to him. You see nothing wrong with Gabriel's LIES, VIOLENCE and WICKEDNESS with which he started his revelations. The next thing is to talk ill of Jesus who your quran recorgnises as MESSIAH (Quran 4:171).

Do you know the meaning of MESSIAH? Saviour, Deliverer, Anointed. Depite the lies of Allah, it was too much for him to deny the divine TRUTH that Jesus is the SAVIOUR. Jesus is in-charge of saving mankind, your unbelief does not make any difference.

What excuse do you still have for not accepting Jesus as your SAVIOUR? The Bible says it, the Quran says it. If you love your soul, you had better come to Him.

Rossikk: You are wrong that what I am saying "cannot be found in the bible or Koran". It is YOUR interpretation of what you read in the bible that is a problem for you. For instance, genesis refers to the 'Elohim' - a group of 'gods', whose leader says to them "let US make man in OUR image". That straight up suggests multiple "gods" we're involved in fashioning homo sapiens. Christians will twist those words to mean something else because it contradicts their fairy tale of a single 'God' creating man. But the genesis account actually corroborates the accounts of various cultures across the world to the effect that man was fashioned by groups of visiting beings who came from 'the sky'. Today, we can extrapolate that these would have been advanced extraterrestrials with the technology to engage in advanced genetic engineering capable of developing new species like man, using methods like genetic splicing. Other biblical references to flight capabilities, such as Ezekiel's Wheel, and Elijah entering and taking off in a 'chariot of fire' also suggest very strongly, deep extraterrestrial involvement in human affairs on those early days, as do references to extant subsea capabilities - Jonah in the belly of a whale for 40 days etc. We KNOW that a man cannot reside in a whale's belly for over a month, and that "whale" would be the only possible way for pre-industrial men to describe.... a submarine.

Thank you very much for your contribution.

DevotedOne: In The Name of The Only GOD, Allah, The Very Merciful, The All Merciful, The Praiseworthy. As salaamu alaykum, The peace be on you, everyone.



011.013 أَمْ يَقُولُونَ افْتَرَاهُ قُلْ فَأْتُوا بِعَشْرِ سُوَرٍ مِثْلِهِ مُفْتَرَيَاتٍ وَادْعُوا مَنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِقِينَ
011.013 Or they may say, "He forged it," Say, "Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah!- If ye speak the truth! Al-Qur'an, 011.013 (Hud [Hud])


032.003 أَمْ يَقُولُونَ افْتَرَاهُ بَلْ هُوَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَبِّكَ لِتُنْذِرَ قَوْمًا مَا أَتَاهُمْ مِنْ نَذِيرٍ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَهْتَدُونَ
032.003 Or do they say, "He has forged it"? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance. Al-Qur'an, 032.003 (As-Sajda [The Prostration, Worship, Adoration])




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

It was the idol worshipers in Arabia who thought Muhammad forged his revelations. No, he did not forge them. He actually received them from a spirit (Gabriel). The question is: Whose spirit was the violent, wicked and inconsistent Gabriel?

miftaudeen: What about those muslims (alfas amd imams) who have all the belief you stated, why are they unable to do miracles but resort to Arabian magic (hontu and tira)?

@truthman2012 miracle is not a thing people prepare for, its happen unexpectedly or the doer will not comes out and say i have miracle for you.it is the force or questions of unbeliever that makes miracle happen to the man of GOD. All those pastor that perform miracle had agreement with shaytan.

You are very very wrong. Miracles don't happen by accident, you make it to happen.

John 11:38-45
When Jesus raised Lazarus, was it unexpectedly. When He was preparing to raise him, people did not believe He could do it. They told Him there was no need as Lazarus was already smelling. Jesus said to them: ''Have I not told you if you believe you shall see the glory of God?''. So many miracles He did in the public, making it to happen deliberately.

Muhammad and his faithfuls cannot make miracles happen deliberately because deliberate miracles happen only in the name of Jesus.

Miracle is not done by Adeboye alone. Anyone who believes and have enough faith can do it. I have prayed and seen miracles happen. Many miracles. All it takes is faith in Jesus.

It is natural to be afraid when a person sees what is strange. That was what happened to Mary and Zacharia. But Gabriel told Mary ''Fear not''(Luke 1:30). He also told Zacharia ''Fear not'' (Luke 1:13). No report of torture or torment.

But when the satanic Gabriel appeared to Muhammad, no words of peace or encouragement. He just picked him and started punishing him for no offence. Can't you see the difference between the two Gabriel? I'm sure you have seen but only pretending.

Allah/Gabriel started his revelations with FALSEHOOD and VIOLENCE. How could he say 'Read' when he did not come with any document? Read what? Lying spirit (Satan). If it is 'Recite', what has he said to Muhammad that he expected him to recite? Quran/Islam has a false foundation. You cannot build TRUTH on FALSE foundation.

Wait a minute: ''Who taught with pen''. What does that mean? How did Allah/Gabriel teach Muhammad with 'pen' (writing) and yet he remained an illiterate till death? The quran is full of lies. Allah likes writing so much and yet he chose an illiterate as his prophet. He writes on rock, tree, under the bridge, anywhere and on anything. Deceiver.

You cannot fulfil the Law in the power of the Flesh as muslims are trying to do:

Covering the faces of the women so that men will not see them to prevent fornication. But men dress like them and go into them.

Washing of body parts to appear neat before praying when the inside (heart) is full of dirt (Mat. 23:25). You can fight, abuse, kill but just observe your duty to Allah. The muslims are the Pharisees, hypocrites of today.

If the practice of the law (as muslims are doing) is enough, Jesus would not have come because the Pharisees and the Saducees were already doing that. Despite all their efforts in observing the law Jesus still called them hypocrites.

Finally, my advice to you is to accept Jesus and come out of a religion introduced by Satan. Hell is real.

Rossikk: When 'the gods' were creating man, it wasn't a straightforward affair. They made many errors, and tried many other configurations before finally settling on man.

Below is a mural of Egyptian dignitaries (circa 3600 BC). Those beings looking half human half other, are not fantasies. According to the the most hallowed Egyptian texts and testimonies, those beings EXISTED IN FLESH AND BLOOD AND MINGLED WITH PEOPLE. MANY WERE HIGHLY LEARNED DIGNITARIES.

https://keeblerstudios.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Egyptian-Pantheon.jpg

All you are saying, and even evolution cannot be found in the Bible or Quran. The thread is about the two Books . To avoid unneccesary diversion, I will appreciate it if we limit our discussions to the subject.

@ ayenny02

There is no way a reasonable person will accept the quran as revelations from the true God, unless the person is under satanic deception:

1. The manner Muhammad received the revelations was inconsistent with how God reveals His words. God is a God of justice and love. How come Gabriel tormented Muhammad three times for being unable to do what he could not do? Read. Read what? If you say 'Recite', recite what? Recite what has not been taught him or read what when he did not come with any written paper? Even if there a written paper, he knew he was illiterate. Then the next thing was press him to almost the point of death thrice.

2. Those who study demonology would easily understand that this is how evil spirits operate - forcing their victims to obey. Please note that Muhammad was not the first person to see Gabriel. Mary and Zacharia saw the true Gabriel before him and their was no report of torture or torment. None of them went home to say they saw evil spirit like Muhammad did. No doubt it was not God's Gabriel he saw. Tell me, why would he be punished to be sent good news.

What Satan simply did was pretend he was God (Allah) and that there was the real Satan somewhere. He talked about Satan to make them believe he was God. He capitalized on the ignorance of the Arabs then. He knew they had no much knowledge of the Gospel to detect his deceptions. They were idol worshipers.

He was changing his revelations by replacement as many times as the need for manipulations were arising. If Muhammad had not died, the quran would have changed many times over in the name of 'perfecting' the religion.

How could God say He was changing His revelations because He later had a better idea (Quran 2:106)? It was because Allah is not the All-knowing God. Satan.

How could God command His prophet to take the wife of anybody, talk less that of an adopted son and because of that changed the law of child adoption. It was this same Allah's prophet that was known for indecent acts with women. If God is a God of holiness, His prophet would not be that corrupt. Which prophet was as corrupt as him?

There are so many things I would have exposed but for time. Gradually I will do, God willing.

@ ayenny02

There is no way a reasonable person will accept the quran as revelations from the true God, unless the person is under satanic deception:

1. The manner Muhammad received the revelations was inconsistent with how God reveals His words. God is a God of justice and love. How come Gabriel tormented Muhammad three time for being unable to do what he could not do? Read. Read what? If you say 'Recite', recite what? Recite what has not been taught him or read what when he did not come with any written paper? Even if there a written paper, he knew he was illiterate. Then the next thing was press him to almost the point of death thrice.

2. Those who study demonology would easily understand that this is how evil spirits operate - forcing their victims to obey. Please note that Muhammad was not the first person to see Gabriel. Mary and Zacharia saw the true Gabriel before him and their was no report of torture or torment. None of them went home to say they saw evil spirit like Muhammad did. No doubt it was not God's Gabriel he saw. Tell me, why would he be punished to be sent good news.

What Satan simply did was pretend he was God (Allah) and that there was the real Satan somewhere. He talked about Satan to make them believe he was God. He capitalized on the ignorance of the Arabs then. He knew they had no much knowlege of the Gospel to detect his deceptions. They were idol worshipers.

He was changing his revelations by replacement as many times as the need for manipulations were arising. If Muhammad had not died, the quran would have changed many times over in the name of 'perfecting' the religion.

How could God say He was changing His revelations because He later had a better idea (Quran 2:106)? It was because Allah is not the All-knowing God. Satan.

How could God command His prophet to take the wife of anybody, talk less that of an adopted son and because of that changed the law of child adoption. It was this same Allah's prophet that was known for indecent acts with women. If God is a God of holiness, His prophet would not be that corrupt. Which prophet was as corrupt as him?

There so many things I would have exposed but for time. Gradually I will do, God willing.

FOLYKAZE: Quran is not from Allah. It is from Mohamed day-dreaming and misconception of the bible, apocrypha and ancient myths or philosophies.


You know where I belong now?

Yes, thank u.

thelonelyshadow: I believe that God created the universe and everything in it including our world and our species but i don't believe that he did it the way that the bible or the quran say he did. I believe that he created humans through the process of evolution.

After the big bang, it took a couple billion years for our planet to form. A combination of solid matter, gases and intense heat allowed our planet to come about. all the water on our planet came from gases that have cooled down and turned into liquid.

Life on our planet began in the form of microbial life which existed within primordial ooze. so technically, we did come from the earth, but we came from micro organisms within a liquid environment so, the quran is actually closer than the bible.

Humans have existed for a couple million years, but homo sapiens (intelligent humans) evolved several thousand years ago.

And as for your last question, there are many reasons why we dream,that is a whole nother topic.

No problem since you said you believe it is God who created everything only that you receive His message from scientists. You have right to your own belief and opinion.

Unfortunately, many of those who convey God's messages to you don't believe in the existence of God. How do you reconcile that?

There are still many important questions you are yet to answer. Why is it that we don't see persons created through evolution again? Is it not a continuos process? We should have been seeing humans yet to be completely formed everywhere especially in the bush. Has God stopped creating by evolution?

Who first came to existence - man or woman? Did they come to being in the same location? If no, where did they meet? How did they know what their reproductive organs are meant for.

Still sooo many unaswered questions. Those evolution scientist should be able to have those questions and many others answered in their book.

FOLYKAZE: And Moses who exist 1500yrs after the whole garden of eden and knowledge apple with human eaten them write the book of genesis.


Where did he get the story from?

I don't know where you belong but even the quran that they claim came from Allah talks about Moses and his deed, some similar to what Mose wrote.

Pastor Olu T: 02/06/2010

TOO GOOD FOR GOD?

Sometimes ago I went out preaching and met a guy who told me, you are too good for what you are doing, you are talented and good looking, you should be doing something better with your life. This thought remained in me for so long even till now that I am typing this, and since then I have been reflecting on every word he said to me.
Can man really be too good for God, or can he really be too good to serve Him and do His will?

Man has grown to the extent that he feels he is too good or too talented to waste his life on things that doesn’t really work for his selfish ambition and personal gratification; many of us see ourselves as too handsome/beautiful or young to waste our lives living for God while we have so much ahead of them.

As I meditate on these things, I kept on asking myself why man should hold on to such evil thoughts and in effect live his life accordingly. Then I came to the realization that when man really knows God, why he was created and why he should live for Him, he would have a rethink and live anew and afresh for God. As I continue I will want us to look briefly at these three questions so we can appreciate God and the need to live for Him if we are not doing so presently, or as we ought.

WHO IS GOD? This is not an attempt to define God but to describe Him as He had revealed Himself over the years, because no man can actually do that. From the bible we know that God is the creator of heaven and earth, the self existing one, the king of the universe, reigning from eternity to eternity and the creator of all things including man. If you and I know that we can’t create anything and give life to it, in fact we are created and given life to by God, then we have to worship him. We have a beginning and an end but God do not, He is all powerful and does whatever He pleases without anyone questioning Him, He kills and make alive, He can do a thing or abstain from doing and still remain God, so we can see that we don’t have a choice than to revere Him with our lives.

WHY AM I CREATED? The bible helps us to understand that God did not have to create man neither was He compelled to create, but chose to create man for love and for fellowship, not that God was deprived of love and fellowship for there was perfect love and fellowship among the Godhead, but He chose to create man and extend His love and fellowship to him, and to also make him like Himself. From the bible we know God is the king of the universe ruling and having dominion over all, so also He created man on earth in His image and likeness to rule have dominion and subdue the earth. You and I need to serve with our lives by living the lives He had called us to live and also by loving Him, to love Him is to fulfill His commandments, fellowshipping with Him in our prayer life and also through our actions, and finally rule, dominate and subdue by living in faith in Him, as the bible says “and the just shall live by his faith” by what he believes.

WHY SHOULD I LIVE FOR GOD? The bible says when man sinned, he was separated from God and eternally doomed for HELL, but because God loves us so much He sent His one and only begotten son into the world to die so that man will not perish if he believes in Him but have eternal life. To believe in the son of God and what he had come to do for the world, you have to start living for Him because it is how you live that actually portray your profession. The bible enjoins us that because Christ died and we have been bought with a price, he that live should no longer live for himself but for Christ who loves him and gave Himself for him (2 Corinthians 5: 15).

So brethren when we consider all this we will discover that there is no way we can be too good for God no matter how we feel, in fact we are indebted to Him, we should surrender all that concerns us to Him and all our good qualities should only be a compliment as we live our lives for Him, live the life He had called us to live and live purposefully.


Endtime Revival Ministry


Stay blessed and remain rapturable

Many thanks for the message. More annointing in Jesus name.

I get so happy when I see young people doing what you are doing.

nmuhd: WOMEN POLICE OFFICER IN UK REVERTS TO ISLAM
PCSO Jayne, 28:
JAYNE KEMP patrols her beat wearing a traditional hijab headscarf and even works extra time after shifts so she can attendFriday prayers at her mosque. Devout Jayne converted to Islam last April and even plans to change her name to Aminah.
The single mum, who patrols Eccles, Gtr Manchester, as a Police Community Support Officer, says: “I thought Islam was all about women being forced to slave away in the kitchen — but I foundout it was about being generous with your time, and patient and respectful of others.
“As I looked into it, I saw similarities with Catholicism and noticed values such as looking after your neighbours and cherishing the elderly, which is something older people say younger people don’t do any more. “I wasn’t looking for any religion at the time but for every question I had answered about Islam, I had five more. I think I fell in love with it
(As reported by BC and Sun, UK)

This is no news. Anybody can exercise his/her freedom of religion.

seeking@truth:
In the book of Genesis of the Bible it is held that Eve and the serpent were/are responsible for the fall of man. I have studied the whole story and found out that it was God who erred.
The followings are the errors of Jehovah/God:
1. He didn't warn Adam of Satan He had thrown down from heaven.
2. At the time Adam named serpent/snake Jehovah /god didn't alert him of how cunning it is.
3. When god was warning Adam of the Trees Eve wasn't there or not in existence.
Genesis chapter 2

As your name implies, you need to seek the truth but by asking questions before drawing conclusions. Seek Jesus because He said is the Truth (John 14:6).

ayenny02: Infact, I dey pity you after the truth has cleared to you and you are still refusing to accept the truth and to leave that ur falsehood alone.

Let me show you another lies of Apostle paul maybe you will see that clearly,

ANOTHER PAUL LIES

Acts 22:9
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they HEARD NOT THE VOICE of him that spake to me.

Act 9:7
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, but seeing no man


QUESTION---(HEARD NOT THE VOICE OR HEARING A VOICE)

Romans 3:7
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?

Philippians 1:18
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

These are enough for you to believe that your religion was full of falsehood.

Paul was not a liar as you have wrongly asserted. His critics, especially the muslims are only ignorant of the situations or circumstances he made the statements they call lies.
He was a strong faithful of Jewish religion - Judaism and his conversion must have caused serious uproars. It is like a muslim cleric converting to Christianity. What do you think will happen?

Romans 3:7
Nobody, talk less of a man of God would say he is lying. How would he expect people to believe his messages? What happened was that he was being judged on his message by the Jews who became his enemies because of his conversion. He was speaking against those things he once believed and they called him a liar. He was trying to make them know that he was pleased to be called a liar rather than making God a liar. His motive was better false preaching the Gospel of Jesus than have a right motive practicing Judaism he left.

Acts 9:7
This was not a statement made by Paul. It was a reported speech and this is shown by the letter 'he' not 'I' as in verse 6 and in verse 8, 'Saul' not 'I'. The Yoruba people say "if a reported speech is not more, it will be less than what actually happened". Don't condemn him for lying here.

Acts 22:9
This was a statement made by Paul himself. Here he gave the true account of what happened to him.

The Bible is not a 'perfected' Book like the Quran. It says things as they really are, good or bad, holy or unholy, no hiding. In the Quran many revelations were replaced to correct the errors made by Allah:

[Pickthal 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not

What is the need replacing a revelation if not for error? Can the true God commit errors.

Again the Quran says:

[Pickthal 5:3].........This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Quran has been perfected after removing and replacing vital information. Yet the job was not completely done as we can find many blunders.

@ ayenny02

I don't know how and where to start. It is like trying to give a lecture meant for a university student to a primary school puipil. You know it is a very difficult task.

Anyway let me begin this way: there is a difference between the Law of the Flesh and the Law of the Spirit, i.e. the Dispensation of Grace. The law of the flesh is the law written on paper, which Mose received, the ten commandments.

These ten commandment were later expanded to many laws in the Book of Leviticus. People try to keep all the laws but it was very difficult for them. God is a Spirit, not man.

If humans were spirits, it would have been easy for them to keep God's laws because God is a Spirits. Angels don't have problem keeping God's law because they are spirit beings. Many people were killed for breaking the laws.

Man's imperfection in keeping the law necesitated the coming of Jesus. He came to transform the Law of the Flesh to the Law of the Spirit. That is why He says unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom. Then He went further by saying unless a man is born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God (John 3:1-6).

That is to say by trying to keep the laws as on paper with one's own ability, nobody can attain perfection to qualify him to enter God's kingdom, because there is no way anybody can keep all the laws in the power of the flesh , i.e. by human ability without breaking any. Your nature must change from carnal to spiritual before you can have the power to keep all the laws to please God. You must be posessed of God's Spirit, which is possible ONLY by accepting Jesus.

All these Paul was trying to explain about the law but as a learned lawyer, he was speaking in ways difficult to understand, especially to those who just read the Bible on the surface of it.

By TRULY believing and confessing Jesus, and being born of the Spirit, it is automatic you obey the Laws of God without struggling.

Let me tell you the truth, if you are born of the Spirit, you will struggle to commit sin because it will not be easy for you. For those who are not born of the Spirit, they struggle to obey God's law but easy for them to commit sin.

In His capacity as the Son of God, Jesus aborlished some laws in the OT because He deemed them unnecessary. e.g free divorcement, forbiding eating of whatever you like if not poisonous. He said what defies a man is not what he takes in but what comes of him etc.

tintingz: Who gave them authority to fight wars?
Moses is a king or a prophet?

What war did Moses fight with arrows, spears, swords?

ayenny02: So, you don't believe that the doctrine of Paul was contradict the teaching of Jesus

How? When? Where? Which?

ayenny02: Was it after or before Jesus that Christianity was established

Was Jesus asked them to formed the Christianity and why jesus not formed it before he departed?

Matthew 16:18
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. JESUS BUILT CHURCH NOT FORMED CHRISTIANITY


Why Paul doctrines contradict the teaching of Jesus?

Jesus built church for who?

Was it Paul who first mentioned 'christianity'? I told you it was the people of Antioch who christened them 'christians'.

Why do you love/hate Paul that much?

Elijah was not raised to heaven because he didn't die, he WENT up to heaven by whilwind. Read the passage very well. I have been saying it often that you misinterpret the Bible because of your zeal in defending islam.

It is good to have zeal for God but not in ignorance. Your case is like that of Paul (your enemy), he was very zealous for God, defending Judaism, thinking he was working for God.You know what, he was a learned lawyer in Jewish law, he was so sure (as you are) of what he was defending.. God saw the sincerity of his heart and converted him to truth. God will also have mercy on you.

Jesus said ''I will build my church and the gate of Hell will not prevail against it'' (Mat. 16:18). The church (for christians) was in the plan of Jesus, which His disciples executed. It was not Paul's idea.

Christianity simply means 'Christ-like'. It was in Antioch that people saw and studied the disciples and christened them 'christians'. They were behaving like Chris - gentle, holy. loving. peaceful.

tintingz: oh really...

OT bible is full of wars, slavery, carnibalism which bible god authorized

We know bible god had many sons in that your bible...stop posting bogus!

Who led those wars? Kings or prophets? What is the duty of a true prophet? Warring and killing those to be saved?