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ayenny02: so, how many son of God we have in the Bible, let me list some for you to understand that not only jesus was son to God:
Job 2:1
2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Genesis 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Exodus 4:22
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

2 Samuel 7:13-14
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Luke 3:38
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God

AND MANY MORE IF YOU REQUIRED FOR MORE

It is good you know that the Bible God has as many children as He wishes. But why is it that it is Jesus alone that your quran is bitter with being called the Son of God. Is he not aware as you are that God has many children but only Jesus is the begotten?

Why does Allah hate Jesus so much? Each time he mentions Jesus name, he addresses Him as the son of Mary, whereas he does not address any other by their mother's name. Doesn't he know Jesus father? In what culture is a man addressed by his mother's name?

ayenny02: Thank God that you have known the truth and accepted that Jesus Christ was not crucified and not killed. Small Small now you go accept that Christianity is falsehood.

Q3:55
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

Quran 3:55
.....''O Jesus I will take thee and raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah (if God) take people from the earth? Is it not through death?

''O Jesus I will raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah raise the living to Himself? Only the dead is raised to life. You don't raise the living, you raise the dead.


Therefore the correct interpretation of Quran 3:55 is:

O Jesus I will take (kill) you and raise you to Myself... Unless Allah would say something and mean another thing.

Jesus was killed and was raised.

ayenny02: Christianity had deviated a long way from the original teachings of Jesus. Jesus said in

Matthew5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

God then sent as part of His original plan His last Prophet as revivalist to restore all these changes: the Roman Julian calendar introduced as the Christian era; pork not prohibited; circumcision abolished by Paul
Galatians 5:2
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

All doctrines of modern Christianity are made by Men: the trinity, Divine Sonship of Jesus, Divinity of Jesus Christ, Original Sin and Atonement.

Your knowledge of the Bible is shallow. The NT is the spiritual fulfilment of the OT. In OT the Law was on paper while it is in the mind in the NT.

God did not send Muhammad, Satan did. What is revival? To bring back to life. Muhammad was not a revivalist. Instead of bringing people back to life he was killing them. Muhammad was the only ''prophet'' who led war, killing people he was supposed to save. He was a sinner warning people against sin.

For your information and consumption: God called Jesus His Son (Mat. 3:16-17, Luk. 3:21-22, Mark 1:10-11). The true Gabriel called Jesus God's Son (Luk. 1:35). Jesus called Himself Son of God (John 9:35-37, John 10:36, John 14:7). It is not modern Christianity that you called it.

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ayenny02: Christianity had deviated a long way from the original teachings of Jesus. Jesus said in

Matthew5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

God then sent as part of His original plan His last Prophet as revivalist to restore all these changes: the Roman Julian calendar introduced as the Christian era; pork not prohibited; circumcision abolished by Paul
Galatians 5:2
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

All doctrines of modern Christianity are made by Men: the trinity, Divine Sonship of Jesus, Divinity of Jesus Christ, Original Sin and Atonement.

Your knowledge of the Bible is shallow. The NT is the spiritual fulfilment of the OT. In OT the Law was on paper while it is in the mind in the NT.

God did not send Muhammad, Satan did. What is revival? To bring back to life. Muhammad was not a revivalist. Instead of bringing people back to life he was killing them. Muhammad was the only ''prophet'' who led war, killing people he was supposed to save. He was a sinner warning people against sin.

For your information and consumption: God called Jesus His Son (Mat. 3:16-17, Luk. 3:21-22, Mark 1:10-11). The true Gabriel called Jesus God's Son (Luk. 1:35). Jesus called Himself Son of God (John 9:35-37, John 10:36, John 14:7). It is not modern Christianity that you called it.

ayenny02: You don't trust Quran but you disagreed with ur Bible after the clear envidence from your Bible. Don't worry continue with ur disbelief and your conscience will be telling you that you are not on a right path.

You shall know the truth and it will set you free. Who is the truth? Jesus (John 14:6) Sura 3:55

You know the truth only if you wish to know. I qouted the quran because that is what you believe in. Even Allah recorgnises Jesus and His followers better than the muslims. Thank you.

ayenny02: Ok tell me how Jesus worshiped his God then?

Read the Bible. Search for the truth.

ayenny02: See how you failed woefully, you better leave ur misguided religion and come to religion which God will accept from mankind.

I asked to produce proof how Abraham was a jews and come here with rubbish, go back to my explaination how judah was named jews as nick name. The quran says the truth abt Abraham;

And in Q3:67
Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.

Also I asked you to give authoritative references where Bible called ismael an illegitimate son but come here with empty head without any proof.

I will advice to leave that false you are in and accept true and accepted religion

I don't trust the words of the quran, which you call your proof. They were revealed to Muhammad by a violent spirit, which could not have come from the true God.

I realise the spirit of islam (violence) is already working inside you, going by your harsh words. Thank you.

ayenny02: Can u tell me how many christian performed those verses I qouted above unless you tell me is not in the Bible

You should know that Christianity is not the same as Judaism and they are not practiced the same way.

thelonelyshadow: You know, there is this scientific idea about the creation of man called evolution, i don't know if you have heard of it but it sounds pretty credible

I am not a believer of evolution. In evolution theory they say something transformed to man or so. The questions are:

1. Who created the thing that transformed itself to man?

2. What thing transformed to woman? Where did both male and female meet and who taught them to mate? What were their names and their children's?

3.Why is it that we have not seen anybody formed through evolution again or is not a continuos process?

4. Where did the evolution scientists say the various kinds of plants emanate from? What is the source of their seeds?

5. How did they say the sea came to existence? How and where is the air formed?

6. What did they say about dreams? How do people go into dreams and what is responsible for dreaming?

So, soooo many questions. Please throw more light especially on the questions.

ayenny02: @truthman2012

Going through my explanation about Abraham, do you accept that;
1. Abraham was not a jew

2. Where in the Bible is it written that Ishmael was an illegitimate son?

3. Bring an authoritative references against the story how Abraham and his son built Kaaba?


I need ur response. Thks

This argument appears endless and that is why I got disinterested talking further.

The Jews told Jesus that they were Abraham descendants. Jesus agreed with them (John 8:31-37). If this is not enough for you to believe Abraham was a jew, leave it.

You said Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham to marry, did that make her his legal wife? Was Sarah the mother of Hagar to give her out in marriage?

If Hagar was Abraham's legal wife, would Sarah as a wife herself have the gut to ask her to leave the house? Why would God support Hagar being sent away if a legal wife?

If you will answer those questions objectively, you will get my message.

If you are now settled with the questions of illegitimate marriage, then there are yet two more questions and they are;

(1) Why would God choose to build His house with the illegitimate family, which He supported their being sent away and not with the legitimate family? Pls note that Ishmael was not the child God promised Abraham. Why would God leave Isaac, the child He promised and build house with Ishmael?

(2) From your writing, there is no argument that Abraham and Ishmael were not living together because you said Abraham went on a visit to Ishmael. How then was the black stone sent to both of them in Arabia as a mark or pointer of the location of Kaaba?

I rest my case here.

maclatunji: Out of 6 geopolitical zones, Christians only outnumber Muslims in 2 of the smallest ones. The SouthEast and SouthSouth. Keep making yourself happy.

This may interest you more: as the day of judgement draws nearer, the population of muslims and other religions will increase tremendously. Many christians will fall away from the truth, giving heed to seducing spirits.

Jesus said narrow is the way that leads to heaven and few people are walking there. But broad is the way that leads to Hell, heavilly populated.

Therefore, keep making yourself happy with your population.

@ ayenny02

I want to believe you did not understand my post because in all you said I could not see where anyone washed his legs hand, nose, mouth etc AT THE SAME TIME and face Kaaba putting only his forehead on the ground like muslims.

All I could see are people kneeling down praying. I even saw praying with fasting, how relevant this is, I don't know.

I saw some people praying facing a particular direction requesting God to answer their prayer because they did so (no washing of all body parts like muslims). It was their personal decision to face the direction, it was not commanded by God and not a ROUTINE.

Pilgrimage. Christians too go to Jerusalem to see those things the Bible talks about not to worship an idol like the muslims do in Mecca.

Acts 21:26
The Jews have days they set aside for purification of the temple, which Paul also had to observe. It was not every hour or every day affairs.

In all you have stated nobody followed the muslims way of praying. Those who washed their hands and legs never washed the mouth, nose and ear at the same time.

Those who faced a particular direction praying never washed any part of their body. No where did anybody complete the proccess of muslim prayer at the same. You people just picked one here one there and incompletely joined them together.

frosbel: They can be 90% for all we care, God's kingdom is not measured by quantity but quality

Thanks bro.

That which is higly esteemed amoung men is abormination onto God.

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miftaudeen: There are two types miracle. A miracle done by all d prophets of Allah and a miracle done by d follower of shaytan in order to deceive people. Mind u he whoever not believe in oneness of God and all His prophets can never perform miracle of God rather he would be aids by shaytan's miracle. For u to know d man of God firstly study his ideology then ask ur self, did his ideology tends to recognise d oneness of God?, did he believes in all d prophets?, did he follows d step laid down by God in d stripture?. If u get these from a person that means is a man of God and u can only find these qualities from muslim b'cos they belief in one God and His prophets.

From your statement, true miracle comes from those who believe in the oneness of God and His prophets. Didn't Muhammad believe in all that? Why was he unable to do any?

What about those muslims (alfas amd imams) who have all the belief you stated, why are they unable to do miracles but resort to Arabian magic (hontu and tira)?

If the quran is a miracle, those who believe in it should be able to do miracle as well. What is the point carrying a miraculous book without experiencing miracle yourself?

ayenny02: Simple question, how can we recognize Jesus in dream? Was he a white man, or black man, or brown man, or short, long, fat or slim man, tell me if I see him in dream I can be able to recognize him.

If you see Jesus in dream all of these your questions will be answered. I pray you see him and your life will not remain the same. He might even decide to appear to you when you are not sleeping like the experience of some people.

mahdino: . Jesus does not eat pork (pig meat) just like a muslim, Jesus prays while putting his face on the ground just like a muslim, Jesus says there is only one God just like a muslim, Jesus washes his face, head and feet just like a muslim, Jesus was circumcised just like a muslim, Jesus said follow the law of moses just like a muslim, Jesus grows beard just like a muslim. JESUS IS A MUSLIM

When will you stop deceiving yourself, Jesus did not wash His hands, legs, nose, mouth etc before He prayed. Christians do lie down, putting their face (not forehead alone) on the ground when praying, not as a law but when they feel like doing so.

Tell me where Jesus or Moses or any prophets washed their hands, leg, nose, face etc at the same time before putting their face on ground facing Kaaba praying. If it is NOT exactly this, it is not muslim prayer. Is it?

Muslims must face Kaaba and do the rituals of washing certain parts of their body before Allah can hear them because that is where his throne is. He is not everywhere. He is not the Omnipresent God.

ayenny02: So if satan appears to you in your dream he (satan) would tell you he is satan abi? How do you recognise Jesus from Satan when you don't recognise them? Can u recognise Jonatan if u see him in you dream? Liars

Who has satan appeared to in dream and directed him to Jesus who he (satan) hates so much? Can satan direct people to Jesus?

ayenny02: Simple question you can't answer. Were u among the disciples of Jesus Christ to make u recognised jesus or maybe you have Jesus photo with you to be able to recognised him. I beg leave story Mr liar and I don't blame u becos ur boss PAUL used lies too

Have you dreamt before? Dream is another spiritual existence. Aside the fact that when you dream you have spiritual knowledge, the person who appears in dream will show you who he is or else his appearance is of no use.

Jesus can go to Jerusalem and save the muslims. He knows those who are sincerely but ignorantly serving a false god. Who said He had not been there?

Horus: Don't make us laught,please,everybody can witness death,or someone dying so your example is not convincing to us,But where is your Hell?.
And it is very easy to choose your  invisible Jesus as a witness for the "proof" of your Hell because he is not here.So Where is your hell?.Where is it?Where are your proofs?.And you can't even decide what hell is. Which one is it? Is it the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10) or the pit (Revelation 11:7) or is it a place where you will be given oozing pus to drink like the Koran describes (Koran 14:16), or a place where you will be roasted (Koran 17:18), or a prison (Koran 17:?

Your questions border only on the physical . There is no physical evidence for the spiritual. What does science say about dream? Why is the air not visible? Who or what made it invisible? Where doest it come from? It is little science that says there is no God.

If you don't believe the Bible, you must believe history that a man called Jesus came to this world around 2000+ years ago because there is the BC and AD. Why don't you investigate why this man came? His mission was so important that calendar was made after Him. The western world cannot be fools that made calendar after Him.

Since the man (Jesus) is so important as that, His words should have meaning to a reasonable person.

mazaje: I have seen both christains and moslems claim that they have visited hell for some period of time. . . . the idea that people have to die before they go to hell is hilarious. . . .where and what is hell?

Your statement is not a fact. No muslem had claimed to have visited hell. If you know of any, let's see.

@ op

If your story is true, I congratulate you on your conversion. It is not easy to get converted in Nigeria talkless of Saudh Arabia.

@ op

There is a message for you in Genesis 16. It is only 16 verses. Pay serious attention to verse 12.

@ op

There is a message for you in Genesis 16. It is only 16 verses.

miftaudeen: adeboye is using demon power. while jesus (pbhm) used the power of GOD

Prove your assertion.

Tell me what miracle Muhammad did.

Quran is not a miracle. All the fallen angels (demons) could tell what Gabriel revealed to Muhammad, which you think are scietifically great.

Real miracle is praying with words of mouth and wonders happening without voodoo, spell, hontu or tira. All those are magic.