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 Islam › Re: Scientific Miracles from the Quran by truthman2012(m): 9:37am On May 16, 2013 |
hadbak: isn't it obvious that Adegboyes miracle is man made in order to sell/advertise his church?What power does a man have to do miracles? Jesus said 'greater things than the miracles He did we would do'. Pastor Adeboye doing miracles is the fulfilment of the words of Jesus. Miracles happen only at the mention of Jesus name. This is why nobody can do them in the name of any other so-called religion founders. If you would allow the spirit of Jesus to live inside you, you too will experience miracles. Jesus said miracle working (not fighting) is a sign that a person is sent by God. God would not send a prophet without the power to do what no man can do. |
| Islam › Re: Scientific Miracles Of The Quran by truthman2012(m): 5:55pm On May 15, 2013 |
@ larrymoore All you people call CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible are not true. It is only your lack of understanding of the Scriptures. A man may marry his brother's widow (Deut. 25:5). Lev 20:21 does not talk about a dead brother but one that is alive. It is not talking about widow. Why are you lying? Luke 14:26 Jesus was talking about people who would want to be His disciples but facing oppositions from bros, sist, father, mother etc. 'Hate' in this sense means 'reject' their oppositions even HIS OWN LIFE. It is a long sermon. Eph 6:2 is a wrong quotation. Always verify your quotations. Prov. 31:6 - Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish.... Is that what you call recommendations to drink? You don't know irony of words. Infact, I have gone through your quotations and discovered they are either not relevant to your subjects or outright misinterpretations as the ones above. Those who extracted the Bible passages did so with prejudice and they have no knowledge of the Bible. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 12:25pm On May 14, 2013 |
larrymoore: which is more contradictory btw bible n the quran? Thre are thousands of scientific and mathematical contradiction in the bible, because of ur prejudice u won't see to dat check this out and don't tell me I need any long faded holy spirit to explain these contradictions; A man may marry his brother's widowMany of your quotations are wrong as your subjects are not found there, while you interpreted others wrongly. @ larrymoore and mahdino You muslims pride yourselves in the quran being the words of Allah and therefore it is not subject to contradictions and errors. But now that soooo many errors are discovered from it, including the issue of 'man created from clot', does it still remain the word of God if Allah is God? Can God commit errors? The passages you extracted from the anti-Christ sites to bring out what you call contradictions are not so but lack of proper understanding of the Bible. Spiritual things are understood properly by spiritual people. You have to understand that the Bible is made up of (1) The direct word of God - i.e thus saith the LORD...., (2) The inspired word of God - i.e as Spirit gave men of God utterance. (3) The individual speakers' opinions. Places that appear as contradictions are where individuals expressed their opinions, which differed one from another. This you also find in islam hadiths, i.e individuals stating their opinions, which differed one from the other. I don't quarel with hadiths because they are man-made and subject to errors. But God cannot speak and commit blunders |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 9:40am On May 14, 2013*. Modified: 9:08am On Nov 06, 2015 |
@ larrymoore and mahdino You muslims pride yourselves in the quran being the words of Allah and therefore it is not subject to contradictions and errors. But now that soooo many errors are discovered from it, including the issue of 'man created from clot', does it still remain the word of God if Allah is God? Can God commit errors? The passages you extracted from the anti-Christ sites to bring out what you call contradictions are not so but lack of proper understanding of the Bible. Spiritual things are understood properly by spiritual people. You have to understand that the Bible is made up of (1) The direct word of God - i.e thus saith the LORD...., (2) The inspired word of God - i.e as Spirit gave men of God utterance. (3) The individual speakers' opinions. Places that appear as contradictions are where individuals expressed their opinions, which differed one from another. This you also find in islam hadiths, i.e individuals stating their opinions, which differed one from the other. I don't quarel with hadiths because they are man-made and subject to errors. But God cannot speak and commit blunders as see in the quran. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 11:45am On May 12, 2013 |
ifeness: But your bible said " the gods". According to the writer of Genesis,these gods flew in the sky. Since you believe in the story of creation, you have to be aware of the fact that Africans had many. Example the yoruba,ibgo and hausa story of creation claimed the gods came from the sky to genetically modify humans.The thread talks about the Bible and the Quran. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 9:23am On May 12, 2013 |
NL member: Truthman and mahdino, neither of you have a valid case so just cut the arguments out. Your holy books claim that women were created from ribs while men were created from dust so your accounts of creation are rubbish unless you can explain how a full human being can be created from only one rib.Thank you. I suspect you know more than God. Scientists research into nature - the handiwork of God. So many things they can't explain and they leave at that. For anyone to be able to explain everything God does, he must be God himself. How do you explain Jesus walking on water? How do you explain man sleeping and still waking up and not continue sleeping as in death? How does science explain 'dream'? Little science says there is no God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 8:20am On May 12, 2013 |
smoy: You asked for it and u got it, just a verse in quran distabilised u and being beating around the bush calling people liars and names, see, juggling around anti Islam sites will not help in your intellectual buid up especially in this field rather it will only derail the little you got stocked in. Quranhas spoken if u don't believe then u wiww acept the scietist evidence that dust, seman and water were all source of man confirming what Quran said since 1400 years ago. Mahdino, u made your case please.How do you mean 'distablised'? You have made no point. The lengthy assays and histories your people post, where do they get them? Who started the uncomplimentary statement? Wake up. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 8:02am On May 12, 2013 |
mahdino: Man in general. the clot is a congeled blood at the early stage of the embryo which clings @ Ure. Wall.'Man in general'. Then back to my earlier question: whose seman (fluid) was used to create Adam? |
| Islam › Re: The Sources Of The Quran by truthman2012(m): 10:35pm On May 11, 2013 |
@ lanrexlan Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael even though it didn't please him to do so. He had to obey Sarah because God supported her to send them away (Genesis 21:9-12). God promised to make Ishmael great because of the love He had for Abraham afterall he was his seed but outside legitimate marriage. It was for illegitimate marriage between Abraham and Hagar that God sanctioned their sending away. Correction - it was not Abraham who settled Hagar and Ishmael in Paran, Arabia. Abraham only prepared them for the journey and sent them away (Gen. 21:14). You said when Abraham wanted to lay the foundation of Kaaba, he visited Ishmael and told him his mission. Although there is no authoritative source of this statement but if it is true it further confirms that Abraham and Ishmael were not living together in Arabia. How then was the black stone sent to both of them in Arabia? I pray God will give you understanding to see how the Devil tricks people into believing errors. |
| Islam › Re: The Sources Of The Quran by truthman2012(m): 10:35pm On May 11, 2013 |
@ lanrexlan Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael even though it didn't please him to do so. He had to obey Sarah because God supported her to send them away (Genesis 21:9-12). God promised to make Ishmael great because of the love He had for Abraham afterall he was his seed but outside legitimate marriage. It was for illegitimate marriage between Abraham and Hagar that God sanctioned their sending away. Correction - it was not Abraham who settled Hagar and Ishmael in Paran, Arabia. Abraham only prepared them for the journey and sent them away (Gen. 21:14). You said when Abraham wanted to lay the foundation of Kaaba, he visited Ishmael and told him his mission. Although there is no authoritative source of this statement but if it is true it further confirms that Abraham and Ishmael were not living together in Arabia. How then was the black stone sent to both of them in Arabia? I pray God will give you understanding to see how the Devil trick people into believing errors. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 9:10pm On May 11, 2013 |
mahdino: the verse I quote to u earlier in quran chapter 3 which God said BE and it was. That is the word of God,that is a miracle part of Jesus, to show that God can still create even without the dust or two coming togetherWhose creation does the quran refer to when it says Allah createth man from clot? I mean which man? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 5:57pm On May 11, 2013 |
sakaguchi: Just to note, your introductory writ was not balance, it favours one side of the argument.An argument is for or against, you don't expect it to favour both sides, otherwise it is no argument. Besides, the thread is about statement from the two books, which I believe one and disbelieve the other, in which case you don't expect me to favour the two sides. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 5:39pm On May 11, 2013 |
mahdino: pls brother, I don't see any reason why u should be confuse in clear explanations. Let me give u an example when someone says that tea is made up of water and sugar and milk and coffee that does not mean that it is a contradiction. It just means that he knows well what makes a tea. Today its a well known fact that all the quran says about creation is correct.Your explanation is not acceptable. Everybody knows that tea is not only one ingredient. Clot and dust have no relationship. They are not complementary to each other. That the quran first said man was created from clot and later changed it to dust is a sharp contradiction. No twist. When it (quran) said Jesus is the word of Allah sent to Mary and later changed it to a creature from dust like Adam, is it like tea too? Is Allah's word and dust the same or complementary to each other? You can call Satan anything but not a fool. His is great in wisdom of deception. We discover him only with spiritual wisdom. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 4:23pm On May 11, 2013*. Modified: 4:42pm On May 11, 2013 |
mahdino: Your knowledge of creation is very weak,it Is devilish to allege And conclude On a thing u don't have knowledge on. The Quran 3:59 verily the lIkeness of Jesus before Allah(Alah,Elah, Eli, God) is the likenes of Adam. He created him from dust, then he said To him : "Be" and he was.How does dust resemble clot (fluid)? Quran is soooo contradictory to say man was created from clot and later dust. Can't you discover deceit in Allah's words. There are so many of such deceits in the quran. It is the same quran that said Jesus is the word of Allah sent to Mary. How was He made from the dust like Adam at the same time. Liar |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 3:10pm On May 11, 2013 |
ooman: ^^^well if Adam was created from dust, which dust exactly did god use.Man was created last. Dust had been in existence for God to use. |
| Christianity Etc › How Was Man Created? (Bible Vs Quran) by truthman2012(op): 2:53pm On May 11, 2013*. Modified: 9:10am On Nov 06, 2015 |
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Quran 96:1-2 Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth. Createth man from clot (semen). COMMENTS: The Bible says man was created from dust and the Quran says no, man was created from clot (semen or sperm). I believe the Bible because when Adam and Eve sinned, God pronounced they were dust and to dust they would return (Genesis 3:19). This is why at death everybody turns to dust. I don't believe the Quran. Clot (semen) is only applicable in pro-creation and not at creation. Adam was the first human created by God. If Adam was created from clot (semen), whose semen did God use? Is the Quran credible? |
| Islam › Re: The Sources Of The Quran by truthman2012(m): 1:16pm On May 11, 2013 |
@ ayenny02 Hagar was not Abraham's wife, she was a maid. Other women (including Hagar) who bore children for Abraham were not wives but concubines (Genesis 25:5-6). Concubine means man living with a woman not lawfully married to. Abraham sent all other children away except Isaac, the son from his legitimate wife.So Hagar was not Abraham's legitimate wife. Abraham was from Mesopotamia (Genesis 24:10). That was his town where he sent his eldest servant to go and get wife for Isaac (Genesis 24:1-4). He lived in Canaan (Gen. 24:3). Sarah lived in Canaan (Gen. 23:2). This shows Abraham was living with his legitimate wife in Israel. Therefore it is not true that the black stone was sent to Abraham in Arabia. He was not there. The black stone was a 'marker' of the Arabian 'god' - Abdulai's and Muhammad's Allah. Abraham was a Jew. The Jews are his descendants (seeds) practising his religion (John 8:31-33, John 8:37). |
| Islam › Re: The Sources Of The Quran by truthman2012(m): 3:07pm On May 10, 2013 |
@ayenny02 You said Allah sent the black stone to Abraham and Ishmael to determine the location of where His house would be built. This is one of the confusions we find in the Quran. Abraham was an Israelite, a Jew. His wife was Sharrah and they had a maid, an Egyptian named Hagai. God promised Abraham that he was going to have a child of covenant and many other children. When God's promise tarried, Sarrah lost faith and advised Abraham to go into their maid, Hagai in order to have a child. The result was the birth of Ishmael. Not long after, Sarrah too had the promised child, Isaac. Sarrah, after having her own son told Abraham to drive away Ishmael and his mother. When Abraham was reluctant, God intervened and ordered Abraham to do exactly so. That led to the sending away of Ishmael from Abraham's family. So, Ishmael and his mother left Abraham family in Israel and they settled in Arabia. Abraham lived all his live with his legitimate family in Israel. He never abandoned them and migrated to Arabia. He could not have left the promised child and his legitimate wife and live with Ishmael, who God approved his casting away. Otherwise he (Abraham) would be acting against God's instruction, which he never did. Therefore, how would God send the black stone to Abraham in Arabia when he was not there? How would God choose Arabia, where the cast-out child was living to build His house and not Israel where God's approved family was living? The above is a proof that Kaaba was not built by Abraham. It was built by idol worshipers, which was incorporated into islam. |
| Islam › Re: The Sources Of The Quran by truthman2012(m): 11:49pm On May 09, 2013 |
@ ayenny02 Thanks for your detailed explanations without any word of abuse. May I ask you some questions. I hope you will not ignore them which is usually the case when muslims on NL cannot defend their faith and not ready to repent. Most times they hide or delete such threads. Skeleton in the cupboard. 1. When did Allah send the black stone - was it pre-islamic period or during Muhammad's time? Your answer to this will go a long way how sincere you are. 2. (a) The impression you created is that the black stone is not so important in islam. Then, why would Allah send something that was not of serious essence? (b) What is the purpose for Allah sending the black stone? 3. In any culture of the world including Arab's, people kiss what is so dear to them. Kissing is a sign of love and affection. Why would Muhammad kiss the black stone that is of no significance? Why did he so fall in love with it? Please be brief as much as possible as lengthy write-up is boring. |
| Christianity Etc › Lying Wonders by truthman2012(op): 5:15pm On May 09, 2013 |
History has it that a child (male) was born in a royal family in Ede, Osun State, South West of Nigeria. He was born with 'thunder stone' (edun aara) in his hand. Thunder stone is the property of an idol called Sango in Yorubaland. Sango is known as 'god of thunder'. When Sango strikes with thunder, its priest goes there to dig out the 'thunder stone'. Though this a wonder but definitely not from God. It is a demonic act. Sometime between 1981 and 1983, a documentary was shown on the then NTA Lagos. Some fishermen caught some tortoise in the sea with the inscription of the photograph of an acient Japanese warlord on their back. The photo was digital clear. No doubt this is a wonder but not from God. It is a demonic act. Recently in Nigeria, many inscriptions have been appearing on rocks, trees. under the bridge etc. Some children were born with a Book in their hands. Like the above, they are all demonic manifestations. Lying wonders. When Jesus was born, he did not come with any Book in his hand neither did he appear differently from other babies despite all that was prophesised about him. God is not a magician. Brothers and Sisters in Christ, don't be carried away by these lying wonders. They are demonic deceptions. 5 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Scientific Miracles Of The Quran by truthman2012(m): 2:56pm On May 09, 2013 |
mojibbz: lol!!! may Allah(S.W.T) forgive me for ever commenting on ur ignorance! And may he also forgive u for BLASPHEMING!!!Thank you. I asked some questions, which you could not answer because you didn't know them. Who is ignorant then? May God deliver you from spiritual bondage and remove the veil of satanic deception from your eyes. Amen. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: The Sources Of The Quran by truthman2012(m): 1:53pm On May 09, 2013*. Modified: 2:37pm On May 09, 2013 |
[quote author=ayenny02]Those statement are fallacy. Thus it lacks an authoritative reference. It was those christian that inserted the noblest name "Allah" into the names of the Arabian gods. Allah the Almighty is an idol in the common sense of d christian as shown in the statements. If all christian agree with those statement, then all of them, have agreed that Jesus Christ is a son of an idol. This is confirmed in the Arabic translation of john 3:16 in the Bible published by the Gideons Int. Let us read as follows: "For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" The Arabic translation of the above by the christian bible themselves is as below: 16 فَقَدْ أحَبَّ اللهُ العالَمَ كَثِيْراً، حَتَّى إنَّهُ قَدَّمَ ابْنَهُ الوَحِيْدَ، لِكَيْ لا يَهلِكَ كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الحَياةُ الأبَدِيَّةُ. The point of interest in the above John 3:16 is that the christian translated God to Allah. Then, is Allah an idol or God? Therefore if the christian believe that it is wrong for them to call Allah an idol, they shuld publish repentance on this case against Allah, the true God. [/quote It is not acceptable to change the meaning of Abdullai/Abdu-allah in the year 2013. The meaning had been and will continue to be 'servant of Allah'. Why should a change be accepted as Arab language has not changed? Whatever special Deity people believe in and worship they call their God. Have you heard of 'god of thunder', 'god of iron' etc. We use small 'g' because we don't believe them as God but for their servants, they believe them as 'God'. Abdullai, Muhammad's father name means servant of Allah. He was known to be an idol worshiper serving Allah. This means Allah was his idol which he believed to be his creator. The 'black stone' was the image of his Allah. The black stone was the image of the 'god' of the hanifans (including Abdulai) which they were refering to as their true God (Allah). When Muhammad returned to Mecca in victory over his opposers (other idol worshipers) who believed he was trying to impose Allah, the god of father on them, he destroyed all other people's idols in Kaaba and retained the one belonging to his father - the 'black stone'. The black stone had been in existence before islam and it is still part of the religion till today. The reason for confusion is that the Arabs christians do not have any other word for the true God than Allah which was also used by Abdulai, which Muhammad promoted. The Allah referring to the father of Jesus is not the same as the Allah of Muhammad who is an idol which is not a father because he has no children. Gabriel who gave revelations to Muhammad was the spirit of Abdulai's idol, Satan himself and that was why Muhammad was able to suppress other junior spirits in-charge of other idols. |
| Islam › Re: Scientific Miracles Of The Quran by truthman2012(m): 12:30pm On May 09, 2013 |
mojibbz: if u say that none of what the op said is enough proof that The Holy Qur'an is the word of God. Then, give us proofs to support ur so called claim!!!What do you want me to prove? That the Devil (Satan) existed before man? Didn't your Quran confirm that already? That the Devil knows the whole universe and can talk about them before man got to know them? Any demon and angel know them very well. Don't they? Is it not a lie that Adam was created from clot (Fluid)? Whose fluid? Can the true God tell such a lie and other lies discovered in the Quran? It is the Devil that has the attribute of lying, not God. My friend, get out of among the people who are under satanic deception to escape hellfire. I pray I will see you in the true heaven of our Almighty God. Amen. 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Scientific Miracles Of The Quran by truthman2012(m): 9:34am On May 09, 2013 |
Dear friends, The Devil was in existence before Man. He was a witness when man and everything that God created were created. Ordinary human scientists discovered a number of things God created through carnal research talkless of the Devil who actually witnessed the creations. He is in position to give an account of the creations. He saw them being created. Like God the Devil can also prophesy and talk of things before they happen. All of this is possible to spiritual beings. They are not neccesarily God's doings. The Devil does talk, prophesy or reveal things through Babalawo, Alfa and false Prophets. But no matter how the Devil prentends to be God, lies would still be found in him. For example, Quran says man was created from clot (fluid). Fluid is only applicable to pro-creation through sex.ual intercourse, not at creation. Adam was the first human creature. From whose fluid was he created? All you have stated therefore in this thread are not enough proofs that Quran is God's word. 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 9:44pm On Feb 20, 2013*. Modified: 11:56am On Feb 21, 2013 |
@LagosShia You said a lot of things that are not only amusing but untrue as well. I will speak on them only briefly: We don't fight for our God but He fights for us. That does not mean preaching Him and stating the truth about Him are fighting for Him. We are commissioned as christians to let the world know the truth. You asked a question whether I was there when God spoke to Moses. Were you there too when Gabriel was speaking to Muhammad? You talked of seeing God. I am not saying Muhammad was required to see God, he was required to hear from God like prophets before him. Why did Allah refuse to speak directly to him? It was because Gabriel had no sender. You said God has no mouth. This is more than funny. Because Muhammad could not hear from Allah, the implication is that God has no mouth, eh? Was Muhammad the only prophet in history? What makes a man a prophet? Ability to hear from God. If God has no mouth, how was He talking to the angels to send them messages? Even if He has no mouth, He has a means to speak. Allah may not have mouth because he could not speak to Muhammad, the true God has. Hellfire: ''....We will leave the unjust therein''. 'Therein' means 'inside there'. They will all be inside there before the just are rescued or delivered.... Quran 19:71 Here there is no disctinction made in where the just and evil-doers will be. They are under the same decree. Questions on 19:72 1. The just will be rescued from where? From where they are witnessing it or where they approach it? If they have to be rescued or delivered from this place, it means it a place of torment. The words 'rescued' or 'delivered' shows that plainly. They will be there for as long as only Allah knows before the rescue. 2. Where will the evil-doers be left? Where they are witnessing it or where they approach it? Both the just and the unjust are in the same place witnessing or approaching. If witnessing or approching it does not mean being inside hellfire, it means even the evil-doers too are not inside hellfire. They are only not rescued from where they are witnessing or where they approach it. 2 Chron. 33: 15-16 - The house of God was cleansed of idolatery. 17 - The people still refused and made their sacrifice in the high places, not the altar where idol worship was once carried out. They knew Manasseh was a king and not a prophet. No mention is made of that altar anymore for God's worship. In the case of Kaaba, if it is true that Muhammad destroyed the idols there, it was not completely. He left the 'black stone' which was one of the 360 idols in the house (Kaaba). The black stone could not have been for God as He does not want any object to represent Him. Why did Muhammad retain the black stone? God is not associated with anything black. Black is of darkness i.e satan. How can you translate 'to seek forgiveness' to mean protection from enemies or satan in any language. If you are right, it means the quran was wrongly interpreted otherwise, to seek forgiveness means to ask for pardon for sin commited. If anyone seeks forgiveness, he is a sinner who needs pardon. Gabriel constantly asking Muhammad to seek forgiveness knows he needs it. If a prophet commits sin, he is a sinner, no immunity. Genesis 12:1-3 was not referring to Ishmael but Abraham. You lied here. Deuteronomy 21:15-17 was not talking about Hagar, Ishmael mother because she was not a wife but a maidservant (Gen. 21:13) |
| Islam › Re: Muslims And Good Behaviour by truthman2012(m): 9:11am On Feb 19, 2013 |
Hello muslim friends. Good behaviour is a good virtue which God appreciates very much. But good behaviour is not enough to go to God's heaven. There are so many sins we commit and so many mistakes we make as humans. There are sins we commit we don't even realize. In law, when people commit so many crimes they are charged with 20-count charge or more. If they try them and find them guilty of only one or two of them, they will still be punished. They will not pardon them because they are not guilty of all the charges. With God too the pass mark is 100% to enter heaven. Those who score 99.99% will go to hellfire. Is it possible for anyone to score 100% through good behaviours? No. This is where you need the help of somebody to pay for the balance. Who? Jesus. God bless you. |
| Islam › Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 11:16pm On Feb 18, 2013*. Modified: 12:09am On Feb 19, 2013 |
@deols Madam, even though I did not want to trade words with you as a woman, I saw the need to clear some things you said. Firsly, I must commend your zeal and efforts in spiritual things as a woman. I pray God will open your understanding to realize the truth. Your case will not be 'the more you look the less you see' (abraca dabra). Shakir 19:71 And there is not one of you but shall COME TO IT; this is an UNAVOIDABLE decree of your Lord. Shakir 19:72 And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil) and We will leave the unjust THEREIN on their knees. Pickthal 19:72 Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil and leave the evil-doers crouching there. ''.......We will leave the unjust therein''. ''and leave the evil-doers crouching there''. The words 'leave therein' indicate that all will be in hell first before the just will be delivered or rescued. All must be there first before some can be left. Madam, where did ibn Kathir and Abdur-Rahman get their ''will pass over it''? Where did they see ''the bridge over hell''? Are they rewriting the Quran? They are all agents of deception. Allah made a clear decree and they are trying to twist it. Liars. I plead with you by the mercy of God to do what the reasonable people did in the Quran (5:101-102) What? They waited and pondered 'can this be true?' They asked questions and discovered the truth and took the right decision and rejected islam. God bless you richly. |
| Islam › Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 3:58pm On Feb 18, 2013*. Modified: 11:28pm On Feb 18, 2013 |
@LagoShia: You said I'm silly. Thank you for your abuse. As a christian, I will not return same as violence does not have a place inside me. We don't fight for our God, it is He who fight for us. If God had been violent like the muslims, nobody will remain on the surface of the earth today. Then Whose are you? The Sonship of Jesus: God's Gabriel sent to Mary said the child she was going to have shall be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35). When Jesus was born and was being baptized, God spoke and confirmed the message He sent through Gabriel (Mat. 3:16-17). About 650 years later, another Gabriel came to Muhammad and said God does not have a son. Are they the same Gabriel from the same sender? Allah did not confirm Gabriel's message to Muhammad as He did not speak even a word in the quran. Gabriel was on his own. God's prophets hear directly from God but Muhammad as a prophet of Allah did not hear the voice of his Lord. How can you be so sure that Gabriel was an angel of God as nobody confirmed his message and moreso that it was different from the message before his own? You cannot change any information without confirmation from the original speaker. It is not done. Therefore Muhammad's Gabriel message is invalid for the reason ''confirmation required''. About Hellfire, it is clearly written in the quran that all muslims will experience it first before the just among them will be rescued and the evil-doers left there (Quran 19:71-72). They will be in hell for an indefinite period together before the just are rescued. LagosShia haven't you read it? Why are you denying it? Jesus did not suspend polygamy, He canceled it (Mat. 19:5) but Muhammad renewed it for the muslims. It is clearly stated in the quran that Allah commanded Muhammad to take the wife of Zaid. Though he was reluctant to do so but Allah pressurized him to comply (Quran 33:37-38). Why would He command Muhammad to take the wife of anybody? This Allah is so much interested in women and s.ex Allah is not the Holy God of the Bible, no doubt. About Sin and Repentance, Gabriel was continuosly telling Muhammad to ask for forgiveness and never told him to repent and forsake sins. Quote a place where he was told to repent and forshake sins. Which of the prophets was a sinner and was constantly reminded to ask for forgiveness? True prophets of the true God are holy people. On Kaaba: No surprise the places you quoted in the quran. They are truths replaced with falsehood by Allah (Quran 16:101). Ishmael was a child from a slave woman, Isaac was a child of promise. God supported the casting away of Ishmael from Abraham's family and he left and settled in Arabia. Abraham did not build a house of God with a child of promise, Isaac in Isreal, he followed the out-cast, Ishmael to Arabia to build it. Lies. Kaaba was a centre that housed 360 various idols. If it was truely built by Abraham and Ishmael for God, how did it become the house of satan. Where were Ishmael and his descendants when it was being turned to idols centre? Lies. Besides, even if it was truely built for God, since it had been polluted by Satan, God can no longer identify with the place. Why did Allah make that polluted place his holy centre? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus And God by truthman2012(m): 10:28pm On Feb 17, 2013 |
F00028: alcohol - Qur'an 5:90-91In other words you have no defence to those points (the reasonable questions). If you have no solutions to those questions, why are you in islam? Self deception? You are very unlike the reasonable people the quran talks about, who waited and pondered 'how could this be true'. They discovered it was not only a false religion but wicked and satanic and took a wise decision by leaving islam. Why don't you join the wise people, the people who the Devil cannot take advantage of. You are welcome. We (christians) love you. |
| Islam › Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 9:59pm On Feb 17, 2013 |
deols: I wonder how you do it. Do you decide, today I will go and lie against the Muslims? common op, try to speak the truth always and verify the things you hear before sharing them with others |
| Islam › Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 9:59pm On Feb 17, 2013 |
deols: I wonder how you do it. Do you decide, today I will go and lie against the Muslims? common op, try to speak the truth always and verify the things you hear before sharing them with othersLady, do you read the quran at all? Are you one of those who say our alfa said.... This is because all you are denying are there in your religion. God forbid I lie, I am not a muslim. Consult your alfas and place another post. Besides, I don't like trading words with a woman. |
...you have been lying on this thread, you have tried putting words in my mouth, you amateurishly avoided cardinal questions of your faith...and when your defence mechanism kicks in you accuse me 
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