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It is a common claim by muslims that they also believe in Jesus. They also accept that the Gospel was given to Jesus. Then my questions: 1. What is the meaning of the Gospel? 2. Some muslims say Jesus taught the people saying ''worship my Lord and your Lord, my God and your God''. But is that all the words and teachings of Jesus in the Gospel? What are the other aspects of the Gospel Jesus preached or taught that they believe? 2. Where did they get those teachings or preachings of Jesus that they believe in (with references)? Thank you. |
How is a religion that permits killing of fellow human beings in the name of allah be the best? I once heard a muslim say '' the woman is a christian, if I kill her I will get reward from allah''. Can you imagine that? Who is this blood-thirsty allah that employed muslims to kill for him or her? If human beings are meant for killing for rewards, why did God create them at all? Does it mean allah is incapable of killing his enemies by himself and he has to place prize (rewards) for his faithfuls to kill for him or her? |
You are deceived and deceiving others. You will later discover you are deceived but it will be too late. You are to be pitied. O ma se o. |
sino: No personal experience, heard a lot of stories from my dad and also alfas in my hood.Yes, this is the true nature of islam as a religion: communicating with evil spirits (jinn) through incantations. Since communication with evil spirits (God's enemies) is permited in islam, how is the religion from the true God? That is just one of the reasons I have been telling those who have ears to hear and minds to reason that Gabriel that spoke to Mohammed could not have come from the true God. He was a jinn who disguised as an angel. This is why muslims are comfortable with magic and having relationship with evil spirits. Think of it yourself, what does an alfa who is supposed to be a man of God have to do with incantation to conjure jinn (evil spirits)? What does a 'babalawo' (herbalist) do? The same thing. Or is a babalawo who conjures evil spirit also a man of God? I once preached to a babalawo (herbalist) together with an alhaji at the same time after a co-operative meeting one day. The babalawo (herbalist) when defending his religion said they have the same system with the muslims and the alhaji did not dispute it. It means islam is another department of the Devil like other cults as they both contact the same masters (evil spirits). No wonder muslims don't believe in miracles through Jesus but are comfortable with magic through satan and his evil spirits. How possible can muslims get to God's paradise with their association with the devil and his jinn? Satan is destined to go to hell fire with those who associate with him. To become an alfa in islam, after studing the quran to know the will of Allah, the next thing is to study the art of arabic magic. How do you call islam a religion of God then? Is your Allah a god of magic? No wonder Allah's paradise is full of women for se.xual immorality. The Bible says by their fruit we shall know them. I advise you to repent and follow Jesus before your eyes are closed in death. No second chance after death. |
Dear Ghazzal, You are welcome to the thread. You tried to answer my question on authors of the Gospel but done incorrectly. You said the Gospel is the message given to Jesus and that if written, it has lost. Right? Why wouldn't it be written? There were several books of the prophets before Jesus which is called the Scriptures. Fortunately, your quran refers to the Scriptures severally. It means there were books and writers before Jesus. Were there no educated people in the time of Jesus that His records were not made in writing? It is practically impossible that the whole writting about Jesus got lost. Was Jesus so unimportant that His own book among other books got lost and there are no copies anywhere? That is a lie of the Devil. You said the quran talks about a book and it doesn't have to be written. What is a book? A book is written documents fastened together. I put it to you that your quran was talking about the Bible. The truth is like smoke, it cannot be covered. You cannot say something is a fake if you do not know the original because the fake is an inferior copy of the original. It is when you place the original side by side with the fake that you identify the difference. To say the original Gospel (which you don't know) is lost and the fake is now available does not tally with good reasoning. By the way, you talked about the direct words from Jesus without the authors's words in the Bible. Who wrote Jesus words? The people who were not eyewitnesses? If they were not eyewitnesses, how did they get His direct words? It further shows all the critisisms you people are making are done for the sake of criticizing the truth. The quran was raised by the Devil against the Lord Jesus. The same he did in the time of Jesus when he raised the vain religious people against Him. That of islam is not new. The more anti-christ agents try to suppress the Gospel the more it explodes. Praise the living Jesus. |
Dear Donroxy, Tbaba has not said any new thing to be defended. His argument still centres on worship of Jesus and the writer of the Gospel in the Bible and I have correctly defended them. I don't need to keep repeating the same thing. I asked tbaba the writers/authors of the Gospel the quran refers to and because he doesn't know any apart from the Bible, he said Gospel needed not be written. Why? Every one of God's prophets' words and deed have written documents, why is that of Jesus an exception? I am still waiting for him to tell what the Gospel the quran talks about looks like, the author/s, the contents and where it can be found. Surprisingly, Mathew. Mark. Luke, John and others that he doen't recorgnize as authentic writters of the Gospel are the people he quoted their writings to support his arguments. If he believes their writings and uses them to butress his points, how are they not authentic? |
Tbaba I must commend your efforts and knowledge. But what is next in your life is salvation, which I pray will be your portion in Jesus name. Knowing the word of God without salvation is knowing the 'letter' and the bible says letter killeth. I pray you will not know the bible for your own condemnation in Jesus name. You have quoted severally from the bible but do you believe Jesus as the only source of salvation from hell fire? You sound like believing all Jesus said about His relationship with the father. This same Jesus said He is the way, the truth and the life, no man can get to God except through Him (John 14:6), do you believe that? Matthew, Mark, Luke, John who you don't recorgnize were the ones who wrote your lengthy quotes on Jesus/God relationship which you are using as your points. I once asked a question - Who wrote the Gospel that the quran refers to? Did you say it needed not be written? The works and words of prophets before Jesus were written, why not that of Jesus? Why is the quran in written form? Mohammed was an illiterate man. Although he claimed he committed the revelations he received to memory yet you have it in written form, which you believe is authentic. Human memory can fail, people do forget things, it is human to forget. This why the English people have a saying that the faintest pen is better than the sharpest memory. There are several reasons to doubt the quran. Firstly, Mohammed could not read and write. He had to dictate his revelations to somesone else. How are we sure it was what he dictated that was written as he could not verify them as an illiterate man. Secondly, Quran narrations of history of events are disjointed and incomplete. For example, what did it say about the lives of Moses, Abraham, Noah etc. Nothing it said about how Abraham left his people at God' s order, his marital life, children etc. Quran has no complete records of any prophet, or any event. The quran is disjointed because he talks about an event and without completing it, it jumps to another only to return to it later when it is not relevant. How would a spiritual person believe such revelations. God is a God of order. The Devil tried to use the quran to make the works and words of Jesus of no effect but as usual Jesus knows how to save his own even among the muslims. Up till date there is no proof that Gabriel was sent by the true God. This is the reason for the failed attempt to legitimise Mohammed as the Comforter Who Jesus said the world cannot know because they could not see Him but lives inside us (John 14:17). I wonder if people did not know and see Mohammed. It is Satan's strategy for muslims to bury their dead immediately. He knows a dead buried cannot come back to life again. If muslims are allowed to come back after death, nobody will remain a muslim after seeing what awaits him at death. Satan is a good strategist and very wicked. |
1. Jesus as a spirit from God. A man including Adam has no pre-existence before birth or creation but Jesus had. Jesus said He knew God and was from Him (John 7:28-29). This why He was a spirit from God and not the general term you refer to as ''ruh'' for everybody. Your Quran specifically said so to Jesus as it never said the same for other prophets. 2. Worship of Jesus. The wise men worshiped Jesus as a baby (Matthew 2:11) It means it is wise people that worship Jesus. Herod knew Jesus deserved to be worshiped. Herod was a king and yet he said he would worship Jesus (Matthew 2:7- ![]() Jesus Himself knew He is Lord (Matthew 7:21, Matthew 26:20-22). What do the faithfuls do to their Lord? Worship Him. 3. Jesus can do anything. Jesus can do all things because He said: (a) Whatever (anything) we ask in His name, He will do it (John 14:13-14). (b) All power on earth and heaven have been given to Him (Matthew 28:18). This was a statement made after His death and ressurection. 4. None is good but the father. This is a language of humility, not wanting to ascribe goodness to Himself. How would you feel if somebody told you that you are a good man? Would you say 'yes' that is true? 5. Writers of the Gospel. Matthew was a publican, a tax collector who became a follower of Jesus. Luke was a physician who also became a follower of Jesus. The writers of the Gospel wrote the deed of Jesus and they needed not to write their own history that is why they are not popularly known. If you want to know more about the writers, you can search the google 'who was so-so in the Bible' and you will get enough info on them. Jesus was sent to the whole world (John 3:16). Saying Jesus was sent to Istrael alone is like saying Mohammed was sent to the Arabs alone as Surah 14:4 says '' And We never sent a messanger save with the language of his folks, that he might make the message clearer for them.....''. I want to believe arabic is not your native language. I am sure you believe Jesus came to this world and His activities were written down by some people. The written history of Jesus' deed is what is called the Gospel, which your Quran recorgnizes. This Gospel is not found anywhere else other than in the Bible. May I ask you, who wrote the Gospel your Quran refers to? What is the content and where is it? There is faith and truth. It is not what a man believes that really matters, the big question is, is it the truth that he believes? For example, an idol worshiper believes so much in his idol, but is it the truth? Islam and Christianity do not have the same message and belief. One must be wrong and the other right. The right is from God and the wrong from the Devil. You may not believe me but I have seen a good christian who died and came back again because christians don't bury their dead immediately. There are many of such cases but this particular one happened in my church. He saw things in reality in heaven. The Bible says ''there is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved'' |
Hello Tbaba. I like your mature way of presentation. You are a refined gentleman like ghazzal. But I don't want to agree with you that Jesus was like Adam. Adam was made of clay while Jesus was God's spoken word. The nature of Adam is the same as me and you and other prophets but Jesus had a divine nature as He had no earthly father. Besides, as a spirit from God, Jesus had been in heaven with God for an infinite period of time before He came to the world. It means He had been existing before His birth which cannot be said of Adam or me and you or any prophets. Because Jesus had been with God from eternity to eternity, He knew God and heaven so well and that is why His account is authentic. Jesus said ''he that has seen me has seen the father -God'' (John 14:7-11). This means whatever Jesus said it was God saying it. It was only in the Bible we have the words and teachings of Jesus and there has been no falsification of them up till now because the Devil has not succeeded in falsifying them. I still strongly maintain that any revelations or statements which contradict the words and teachings of Jesus on any area of life is not from God as He (God) cannot be inconsistent. |
Both Books (the Bible and Quran) agree that Jesus is the 'word' of God: Quran 4:171, John 1:1-2. You cannot correctly separate a speaker from his word. Therefore if you equate Jesus with God's word as said by both Books in the following statements, what do you arrive at? God's word is God Himself speaking. God's word = Jesus is God Himself speaking. Isn't it? Salvation came only by God's word = Jesus. Isn't it? Revelations contrary to God's word=Jesus is false. Isn't it? It was this God's word that became Jesus in Mary's womb. Isn't it? Since Jesus is God's word, any revelations in any other religions that contradict Jesus (God's word) is not the word of God and by implication, it is from satan. This is because any word that is not God's word (Jesus) is not from God. Questions: 1. What is God's word (Jesus teaching) on marriage? What is other contrary religions' teaching about this? Have many wives? That is not God's word. 2. What is God's word (Jesus teaching) on paradise/heaven? God's word (Jesus) said we shall be like angels who have no male or female. A paradise full of women for se.x is not God's word. 3. What is God's word (Jesus teaching) on peace and revenge? God's word (Jesus) said love everybody as yourself, no fighting, no killing in defence of religion or God. Anything different from this is not God's word. 4. What is God's word (Jesus teaching) on sin and salvation? John 14:6. God's word (Jesus) said is the only true way to God. Any contrary revelation is not God's word. Any revelations or teachings different from that of God's word (Jesus) is false and satanic. |
I am not surprised at this muslim gay development. Islam has never been a religion of holiness. Multiple wives, sleeping with slave women, brea.st feeding grown up men, killings etc. What is the surprise? The worst will soon happen. |
Sweetnecta .....your dubious in evil days. Who is dubious? The writer of the quranic verse or the person who quoted the verse? The fact that there are different translations of the word of Allah is an indication that you muslims don't have the real and true understanding of his word. Different quran with different contents. Satan is an author of confusion. |
ghazzal: Quran 54:18-19 - The tribe of Aad rejected warning. Then how dreadful was My punishment after My warnings! Lo We let loose on them a raging wind on 'a day' of constant calamity.ghazzal: I don't want to agree with your explanation. You are saying the raging wind was let loose in a day and it lasted for 7 nights/8 days. What about 41:16 - Therefore We let loose on them a raging wind in evil days..... Here the raging wind was let loose in days, not in a day as you want people to believe. So the contradictions remains unchanged. |
Quran 4:82 - Will they not ponder on the Quran? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity (discrepancy). The above stresses the point that the Quran has no contradictions because it was from Allah. In other words it means it is not from Allah if contradictions are found in it. Now that many contradictions are discovered in the quran it means no doubt the Book is not from Allah as He is not expected to make mistakes as the Omniscience. Apart from the contradictions being discussed in this thread there are several others. Muslims' defence to the contradictions are not acceptable because they are not convincing. Here is another contradiction to add up to the ones in this thread: Quran 54:18-19 - The tribe of Aad rejected warning. Then how dreadful was My punishment after My warnings! Lo We let loose on them a raging wind on 'a day' of constant calamity. Note: ''a raging wind on a day of constant calamity''. Quran 69:6-7 - And as for Aad, they were destroyed by a fierce roaring wind, Which He imposed on them for 'seven long nights and eight long days' so that thou mightest have seen men lying overthrown, as they were hollow trunks of palm-trees. Here, Aad was destroyed in seven nights and eight days which is a sharp contradiction to the one day stated in 54:18-19. I cannot understand why muslims believe the true Almighty God could make such a glaring mistake. Didn't Allah know how many days it actually took him to destroy Aad? Therefore because of so many contradictions found in the quran, it could not be from the All-knowing God. |
Sweetnecta: Your interpretation is wrong. We shall be like angels in heaven means there shall be no men or women like angels as angels don't have s.ex. The reason for women in this world is only for procreation and not for immoral enjoyment. I am sure you know Jesus knows heaven very well. Even your quran says He is the word of God and a spirit from God. A spirit from God must have been with Him for an infinite period in heaven (not a night visit). Therefore His account of heaven is very and more authentic as he was not a visitor there. Muhammad seeing women for s.exual intercourse in heaven was an ordinary dream. It was his state of mind that drove him to such a dream. Nothing like that in reality. |
Sweetnecta: @Truthman2012: Who told you that 2 or more is enough? even more is enough? Where did you get that from? I will tell you that 1 is enough. That 1 is God, while I am going to take it that your 2 or more is not and definitely they will be fake God as gods.I believe Muhammad's one night journey to paradise was a dream because his account was inconsistent with the reality there. He claimed he saw women of great beauty for se.x whereas Jesus said there is no se.x in heaven because we shall be like angels. |
sherifdeen12: Allah says: Quran 5:3. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.From the testimonies of two or more the truth shall be established. There is no evidence that islam is from God as no one testified to it. Even God Himself did not speak once in the whole of quran. Every revelation there was by proxy. How are we sure the Gabriel that spoke to Muhammad was God's Gabriel and not a demon from the pit of hell as God did not promise sending him neither did He (God) confirm sending him in the quran. God's prophets hear directly from God. Why did Muhammad not hear from God directly? Why was every revelation in the quran through an angel? |
Testimonies abound in christiendom of people who died and came back to life again. Some came back two or three days in mutuary. They gave account of what they saw. They saw Jesus as the only saviour of the world. Their testimonies are touching and many gave their lives to Jesus through them. Is there any such experience in Islam as the dead are buried almost immediately giving no chance for revival? If there were, what was their accounts and how did they come back to life after being buried. If muslims have the chance of coming back to life after death, no one will remain a muslim and that is why they are instructed to bury their dead immediately to avoid coming back. What a pity. |
Thank God for your great deliverance. |
nextpart: Surah 4:171 - ''O people of the Scripture utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His WORD which He conveyed unto Mary, and A SPIRIT FROM HIM''..... |
maclatunji: ^Your ignorance is great. No sincere Muslim relies on "tira" or charms. Islam strictly forbids it. Muslims know of several miracles performed by the grace of God by Prophet Muhammad (SAW). We de-emphasize such miracles because sincere belief and worship of God should not be tied to demands for miracles.Can you mention some of the miracles done by your prophet with references? |
sino: ^ very sad, its quite unfortunate that those we expect to protect us are also killing innocent recklessly. To make matter worse, people do not care, since its the "abokis" they are killing, its all well and good.I realy appreciate your genuine concern as a good Nigerian. The problem is that this Boko Haram do think that when they kill they are doing the work of Allah. This I think is the reason why a person can choose to be a suicide bomber. What we can do is pray for God to open their eyes to know that He (God) is not pleased with killing people. |
Why do you serve God if you have no access to His supernatural power when you need it? Are you saying muslims don't need the power of God (miracle) in there lives? What I know muslims do is 'tira' another name for charm. This they do because they don't have access to miracle of God. Charms or magic is of satan, it is counterfeit of miracle. Since the muslims' prophet could not do any miracle (even healing ordinary headache) like other prophets, it is no surprise that his faithfuls deny the power of God. It takes holiness to draw down the power of God. It cannot not happen in a religion where the whole essence is to enjoy se.x in this world and in paradise. Those prophets who performed miracles in the Bible did not spoil themselves with women. You cannot enjoy carnality and spirituality at the same time. |
There are several accounts of men of God in the Bible who raised the dead. Even in today's world, several men of God in Christiandom have raised the dead in Jesus name. This is demonstration of God's power and an evidence that Christians' God is real and powerful. |
There is no such paradise where se.xual immorality reigns. |
LagosShia: What an annoying idi.ot and a very big fool you're .the problem with most of you blind fanatical christians is that you know nothing about what you speak of on Islam.and you don't even mind lying and talking nonsense.LagosShia Wait a minute, I'm not done with you yet. You said the major rule of adopting a child is to allow him/her to bear the biological father's name. This was not what Mohammed told Hathafa's wife, Sahla about Salim, an adopted son. Mohammed told her to put her bre.ast in Salim's mouth, a grown-up man with beard (bre.ast feed) to retain him in the house following the abolition of children adoption, occasioned by Mohammed taking over Zaid's wife. Why did he (Mohammed) not tell her to allow Salim to bear his real father's name and remain in the house as an adopted son? You people are just being fanatical in ignorance. We now know who the idi.ot and fool is. |
LagosShia: What an annoying idi.ot and a very big fool you're .the problem with most of you blind fanatical christians is that you know nothing about what you speak of on Islam.and you don't even mind lying and talking nonsense.I am not surprised at your abuses, your religion permits anything bad including fighting, fornication and adultery. No sin at all. Keep on abusing, islam is a religion of peace. Thank you. |
ghazzal: i can only laugh. if you really read it, it means you are hiding a truth. People like you lived in the time of the Prophet........ aslo in Jesus` time. they learn the truth only to distort it. May God shine his light into your mind while you still live.You are a refined gentleman, how I wish you are in Christ. Anyone that is not in Christ will be in crisis on the Last Day. |
LagosShia: Why do you like to spill your mess and ignorance in every thread? This is currently been discussed is another thread:LagosShia You are only being biased. Was I the one who opened this thread? Look up and see your mistake... Besides, have you not seen your muslim brothers repeating the same post even on the same page or you just looked away from it? Who is now ignorant? |
Sweetnecta Now I know you are only paying a lip- service to islam, you don't believe the quran at all. You said your wife adopted a girl in your house? You still adopt a child after your prophet has banned the practice? I pronounce you disqualified to talk for Mohammed henceforth. |
tintingz: yes the bible is corrupted(jeremiah said it) and muslims only follow the scriptures in the bible that goes with the Quran scriptures and hadiths.It is easy for the arabs and anyone to accept Mohammed and islam because the religion tallies with fallen human nature. The nature of sin. This is the condition satan wants everybody to be. Since you can commit ANY se.xual sin, mary as many wives and at end go to paradise full of virgins so that you can continue your immorality in front of your allah. How would carnal people not like it? It doest not cost anything to be a muslim. Only worship allah and continue in sin. Very simple. When you die you will discover that paradise does not accomodate sinners and that any soul that sins will perish in hell. |
Sweetnecta I asked some questions above directed to you, when you did not answer, I had to repeat them separately .Why are you silent? Don't run away please. Thank you. |
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