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Where are the muslims na ?

Let them come and talk about why allahh is so ignorant of history.

BETATRON:
I vicegerence isn't a partner in the sense of being worthy of worship but a being with loftier qualities than all others, a better being the best in fact ....don't understand what you mean by "rule over who" kindly elucidate

You said:

Who is a vicegerent-- a vicegerent is a person exercising delegated power on behalf of a sovereign ruler(google)

BETATRON:
like I said the bowing down is to acknowledge adam and mankind as the best of creatures even the bible stated that man was created in "God's image"....and bowing down here is used in the sense of humility

My sincere apologies totally forgot that I was dealing with an ignorant person as regards the verses of the koran, one who unintelligibly cherry picks some verses of the koran and turns a blind eye to other...and ultimately comes to unleash his ignorance on NL

Well here are the verses I was talking about

1st--Behold, thy lord said to the angels "I will create my VICEGERENT on earth--koran2 vs 30

2nd--and behold We said to the angels "Bow down to Adam " and they bowed : NOT so iblis
-koran2 vs 34

3rd---Allah said "o iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to ONE WHOM I CREATED WITH MY HANDs? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high ones?

4th- iblis said "I AM BETTER THAN HE" thou createdst me from fire and Thou createdst him from clay

Here you go

---so it is seen in the 4th verse that iblis only refused to bow because he feels he is better than mankind not because he feel that mankind isn't god...so the prostration isn't a sign of worship but a sign of humility again

---it is in the africa culture that one should bow to his parent or to an elderly person as a sign of humility not as a sign of worship as you have wrongly stipulated

bowing down before christ is disliked in islam because it is done as a sign of worship ...the bowing down to adam as a sign of humility isn't just to adam but to the vicegerent of God on earth "mankind"

So allahh created an assistant (partner) who would help him to rule, which you call viceregent. Then why do you say allahh has no partner? Allah is incapable of ruling without an assistant.

Adam was to rule over who?

Please note that man and angels, even jinns if they exist at all, are not living in the same realm. How was Adam to rule over them for which they have to prostrate for him? Spiritual deception.

olaitanaluko:
Beautifuly couched and researched upon! But the question of why was the Quran itself revealed should be considered,because the bible which the world should even follow,has been expurgated..So, God decided to Inpunge
Quran in his plan.So to speak!

Could all-knowing God make such a silly mistake? Saying Samaritans, which never existed at that time caused the Israelites to worship the golden calf?

Allahh must be manipulative, the quran is falsehood.

Are there errors in the Qur’an? –

Are there historical inaccuracies?

If the quran is the word of the all-knowing God, why would he make this glaring mistake?

While the list of historical inaccuracies and anachronisms is vast, one has been selected for discussion here. Surah 20 relays the incident of the golden calf. In Surah 20:85-88, 95 we read:

“He [Allah] said, ‘We have tempted thy people since thou didist leave them. The Samaratin has led them into error.’ Then Moses returned…and we cast them [(gold) ornaments], as the Samaritan also threw them, into the fire.’ (Then he brought out for them a Calf, a mere body that lowed; and they said, ‘This is your god, and the god of Moses, whom he has forgotten.’)…Moses said, ‘And thou, Samaritan, what was thy business?’”

Now, let us consider this for just a moment. How can a Samaritan have led the Israelites astray at the time of Moses (approx 1400 B.C.) when the city of Samaria was founded by King Omri about 870 B.C.? The Samaritans did not exist until after the exile of the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the resettlement of the area under King Sargon II in 722 B.C. with non-Israelites who then adopted a syncretism (mixture) between the religion of the Jews and their own polytheistic background. The Samaritans did not exist until 530 years after Moses. By this mistake alone, the Qur’an can be rendered unreliable and certainly not an inerrant work of God.

So, when I say islam is not from the true God, am I not right?

The world was not expecting islam. Jesus said:

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come (Mat. 24:14).

God expects the Gospel of Jesus to be preached till the end of the world, islam is not in God's plan of salvation for mankind.

Do muslims have anything to say ?

Annunaki:
Honestly I don't see islam surviving the next 50 years in this information era. All of islam's dirty secrets are being exposed daily on the internet and even the most ardent muslims are beginning to ask uncomfortable questions about their cherished beliefs. The vocal ex muslim movement is growing and they are working very hard to expose islam and get more people to renounce islam. It's only a matter of time before they attain a critical mass in numbers and become able to take on the islamic establishment. This will further embolden muslims intimidated by their culture and apotasy laws to renounce islam. At this point, there will be a mass renunciation of islam and it will crumble like a pack of cards.

Succinct !!!

BETATRON:
...this one is promising to be another failed attempt bro....

Here is the full and better interpretation of the sin satan committed

1st God stated to the angels "I'm going to create my caliph (vicegerent) on earth

Who is a vicegerent-- a vicegerent is a person exercising delegated power on behalf of a sovereign ruler(google)

Now asking the angel and the devil to bow down to man is only to acknowledge his vicegerency and power and as a sign of humility of other creatures to him as the best of creatures not as a sign of worship

This is evident in the response of iblis to God when God asked him why he erred and refused to bow..he said "I am better than him"

So the sin of iblis isn't a refusal to worship adam, but a breaching of God's command as is evident in the verse you posted and a display of gross arrogance and pride

Trash !!!!

Was Adam a ruler? Ruling over who as there was nobody apart from himself in the then world. Did God need a vicegerent to rule? How weak is allahh that he needed an assistant?

Why should angels bow down to Adam? Was he to rule over them? Do angels or jinns and man live in the same realm?

I hate people making statement they cannot substantiate. You have no single reference to any source. You just decided to formulate lies as as your defence. Where did you get the idea of vicegerent?

Was Muhammad not a vicegerent? Was Muhammad not greater than Adam according to islam? Why are you not bowing down to him? If Adam was a vicegerent, Muhammad too should be one as he was even greater in islam than Adam.

If allahh has a vicegerent, it means he has a partner, who equally was worshipped by other creatures who bowed or prostrate for him. It will make no sense to deny that a vicegerent is not a partner.

If Adam was a vicegerent, why was Jesus not, afterall the quran says the likeness of Jesus is that of Adam? Then, why is allahh opposed to bowing down or worshipping Jesus?

Again, islam is satanic deception.

Annunaki:
And this singular act by mohamed and further endorsement serves as justification for millions of muslim paedophiles worldwide over the centuries to continually molest little girls. Their pathetic religion actually allows them to 'marry' and divorce a girl even before she reaches a age of puberty. Honestly there is no word in the english dictionary bad enough to describe how vile islam really is.

Islam is evil, it is soooo evil. Muslims do not see it so because they are under islamic manipulation. Up till now, am yet to find a word or phrase to describe islam satisfactorily.

(Quranl 18:50 Pickthal) Remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and his seed for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you? Calamitous is the exchange for evil-doers.

[Quran 18:50 Yusufalli] Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!

Bowing down or falling prostrate is a way of worship, why would God command angels or jinns to worship man?

The accusation by muslims against the Christians is that they worship man, Jesus. This same act allahh permitted in that quranic verse.

Islam is purely satanic manipulation.

analice107:
I agree totally, and again if I may add, remember Satan challenged Yahweh that he also shall seat on a throne and be worshipped as God? Satan knew that fellow Angels don't worship themselves, so that worship must come from man, so, for Satan to have worshippers, he must come up with a religion. Now he didn't go entirely away from the Jedo-christian faith, he clung to the Abrahamic faith, he gave them a version of Christ, a version of the last day, a version of the anti Christ. Completely another gospel which looks like it, but indeed another. Satan convinced them that the Bible is corrupt so that they will look down on it. He filled them with a Haughty spirit, they claim to be the best while inside the fight to suppress inferiority complex. Just start a discussion with a Muslim, 5 mins, he starts shouting, screeching, he starts insulting you. Some even go to the extent of telling you that, you feel you are better than them. The spirt of Islam is cowardly. Even with the highly educated. They lack self confidence.
Having a form but denying the power thereof. Now when you try to evangelize the Muslims, they tell you they know Jesus more than you. The quote the Bible and twist the message.

Satan has his own religion, God is not going to stop him, He will allow Satan flex his muscles, then everything will come crumbling down like a pack of cards, dont worry. When the Anti-Christ shows his face. You and Muslims go fight for sit inside church. Make Satan show himself now, time dey come.

You are very correct.

I have always said it that islam is the religion where satan fulfilled his ambition to be worshiped as God. The reason satan was thrown down from heaven was his plan to overthrow God. That is the exact thing he did in islam. To achieve his plan, he condemned the word of God (the Bible) and replaced it with his own, the quran.

The funny thing is: the quran didn't say the real action satan took to rebel against God, it says satan refused to bow down to Adam. Why would God ask anybody to bow down for man? Bowing down is another name for worshiping. Would God command His angel to worship man? Look at the lie told by allahh. I tell you, muslims need deliverance to be able to see that allahh is a liar.

Today, muslims accuse the Christians of worshiping a man, Jesus. The same thing their allahh did by telling satan to worship Adam.

asalimpo:
The president is a muslim-so islam will really show its ugly head.
See what is blatantly happening before us and yet the police and law enforcement agents do absolutely nothing!

It is very serious.

Common sense should dictate to the muslims that God's religion cannot be as bad as islam. I know they will likely say islam does not permit such acts. The truth is that it is islamic to defile little girls. A good case is Aisha defiled by Muhammad at the age of nine. Again, a follower of Muhammad had just married a wife and Muhammad asked him how old was the woman and the man said so and so years old and Muhammad said he should have married a young girl so that they could be playing together.

Only God knows how many little girls that were defiled by Muhammad, which is not on record.

JimsonJaat001

1.DECLARATION OF FAITH
Mark 12:29.
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord
our God is one Lord:

Which God? The God referred to here is Yahweh,, not islamic allahh.

2-(PRAYER).
Matthew 26:39.
...And he went a little farther, and fell on his
face, and prayed,.

Did he do ablution?

Did he face any particular direction like muslims face kaaba?

Jesus fell on his face, he didn't prostrate like muslims.

He wasn't falling down as a routine for prayer. He did it only once.

3-(ALMS).
Hebrews 10:24.
...And let us consider how we may spur one
another on toward love and good deeds,

This is not about alms giving. Love and good deed doesn't necessarily mean giving money.

4-(FASTING).
Matthew 4:2
After fasting forty days and forty nights, he
was hungry.

Did Muhammad and muslims fast for forty or thirty days?

5-(PILGRIMAGE)
PSALMS 84:5-6
Blessed is the man whose strength is in You,
Whose heart is set on pilgrimage.
As they pass through the Valley of Baca,..

''They passed through the Valley of Baca'', going to Zion not going to Mecca. The Israelites go to pilgrimage in Zion annually.

Since Judaism and Christianity existed before Muhammad, whatever you see in the Bible was faked by by muslims. Till today, muslims continue in faking Christianity. They try to copy our music, they have started using pulpit like the Christians, in no long time, they will start sitting on chairs like the children of God, when in fact they are slave of allahh.

There is need for Christians to keep watch over their daughters with all deligence, muslims have developed another strategy of forced conversion.

The case of Eze Oruru has just been settled. This evening again, I heard on AIT news that one Lucy Eje, a girl of 15 was abducted by a muslim and forcefully converted to islam.

The painful thing is that when such happens, it is like the police are always handicapped to come to the aid of the parents for fear of religious crisis. The case of Lucy had been on since 2009, and when the father wrote a petition to the then Inspector-General of Police, nothing was done as muslim in Zanfara gathered to burn a police station.

Why must muslims be bent on polluting Christian girls? The case of Chibuk girls, over 200 of them is still fresh in our memory.

My people, see what the adherents of religion of peace are doing o !!!

Please keep watch on your daughters to prevent islamic kidnappers.

DeathStroke007:
se you blind ni abi you brain dead?
.you asking me who is Allaha.. ask Eaosha na.. not me..


He spoke Hebrew and Aramaic... go ask what Aramaic and Hebrew call God..


smh

You do not deserve to be taken seriously, you write like a kindergarten.

Small boy, look at the lengthy nonsense you posted up there. How old are you?

You know nothing about the Bible. Total ignorance.

Oyin93:
u d one being manipulated here

How?

DeathStroke007:
what is this one saying?


Jesus called God Allaha
Hebrew called God Allaha
Muslims calmed God Allaha..


from where the name of God is known. their scripture....






People worshipping a god(Sango) are of same religion..





Jesus, Hebrew, Muslims called God Allaha, a and that does not make them a Muslim?




Christians calls God Jehovah or Yahweh..
Traditional religion calls God Eledumare
Muslims calls God Allaha..


which category did Jesus and Hebrew belongs to..




you don't have to answer me...



your answer is your choice..

Allahh is not an issue of nomenclature. What the Yoruba's call Eledumare is not Yahweh just as allahh called by the Arabs is not Yahweh.

In fact, allahh said he is not Yahweh the God of the Jews and Christians:

Quran109:1-6]

1.Say: O disbelievers! (I.e the Jews and Christians who believed not in allahh as in Quran 9:29)

2. I worship not that which ye worship;

3. Nor worship ye that which I worship.

4.And I shall not worship that which ye worship.

5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

6. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Allah ordered Muhammad to tell the people that he is not Yahweh, the God the Jews and Christians worship. But it is Yahweh we know to not be God since creation, who is allahh Muhammad represented many years after Jesus had come and gone?

Oyin93:
and u too,hypocrite!

Hypocrite ?

I wouldn't blame you, your problem is as stated in the thread. May you be delivered from satanic deception.

Allah has told you in a clear term that he is the best of deceiver, yet you couldn't discern because you are under manipulation.

bash4us:
@Op, Why not face your faith and strive for salvation and let God judge at an appointed time. What right do u have to judge anyone?

The Bible says if a watchman failed to blow the trumphet when danger is coming, people would die but their blood will be required of the watchman. If I have the opportunity to warn the muslims, I am under a duty to do so.

Oyin93:
Liar!

May God deliver you in Jesus name.

peteregwu:
You are very much correct. Islam is a spell in the life of Muslims. One of our pastor was preaching the gospel and an alpha asked him secreltely, "I have been looking for a way to come out but it is impossible, because their is a curse upon anyone that comes out of Islam from generation to generation." I have come to realise that without doubt Islam is demonic and from Satan himself. Look at the fruits of Islam; blood shed, killings, sacrifices, worship of kabba,hatred, polygamy approved, and marrying girl child etc. Infant a lot more.. .May Jesus deliver them.

Take a look at the Middle East, Muslims don't have peace every where.

Hummn !

True talk.

ninovandross:
the greatest problem of man is RELIGION

Wrong.
The greatest problem of man is SATAN.

Anyway, the thread is not addressing atheists.

Do you wonder why despite clear evidences that islam is not from God, muslims still stick to it?

Do you wonder why despite allahh saying muslims will first go to hellfire for an indefinite period (Qur'an 3:185, 19:68:72), yet they could not desist from their arch-enemy who want to send them to hell?

The reason is: it took Satan about 650 years of thorough planning to destroy the finished work of salvation Jesus did. Satan is an arch-spirit far greater than man in power and wisdom. If he does something within a minute, no man is capable of undoing it forever. You can imagine how difficult it is to undo islam he planned for for as long as 650 years. Therefore, ordinary evidences or letting muslims know the truth may not suffice. They need the intervention of the Lord Jesus for deliverance.

When someone is under satanic boundage, no amount of physical efforts can deliver such a person. I have witnessed a situation where the wife charmed the husband and he becames a slave to the wife. No amount of advice from friends and family could work. It was after the death of the woman during child delivery that the husband's eyes got clear and discovered he was under manipulation.

I heard the story of a man who used to patronize a prostitute. The woman spiritually manipulated the man into real marriage. They were married for 25 years with 5 children. But the woman needed to be making a certain sacrifice sporadically to revive the potency of the charm, which she did for more than 24 years. She stopped the sacrifice believing it is no more necessary because of the length of time she had done it. So, she stopped.

One day the husband came home from work and when he saw the woman he exclaimed: woman, what are you doing in my house? I used to know you as a prostitute in so and so place, why are you in my house? For good 25 years, the man had been under spiritual manipulations and it would have been so for his entire life if the woman didn't stop reviving the charm. The Devil is up to anything evil.

Another example is that of a lunatic. He wouldn't know he is not normal. I have seen a mad man calling sane people mad. He would only discover he is mad after he is delivered.

The moment a person recites ''shahada'' allahh sends after him/her at least two jinns (demons). A muslim lady confessed every muslim has two jinns attached to him/her. This is the reason nothing reasonable about the falsehood of islam makes sense to muslims. You would even be amazed what defence they are putting up. It doesn't matter their level of education. It is not their fault, they are under islamic (satanic) manipulations.

Jesus said: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come (Mat. 24:14)

God expects the Gospel of Jesus to be preached till the END OF THE WORLD. Islam is the introduction of the Devil.

May God in His mercies deliver the muslims from satanic boundage.

Mty4real:
Mr. Op you better go and sign in for special education program on science of Koran and ahadith so that on your own you will be able to settle what you carelessly call contradiction , what you are trying to do on NL will not avail you much, this is stylishly learning through wrong and foolish way. So you don't pretend to criticize after which you don't really know what you are criticizing, in fact looking at the first two verses only can justify what I am saying, how can you establish two blown trumpets instead of one with what you have cited, mtseeeew nawao well you have been advised to learn Arabic language first not translation

When did quran and hadiths become a science?

Muhammad was a stack illiterate man, not a scientist. How did the work of an illiterate man become a science? Satan has confused you islamists.

I pity you.

BETATRON:
koran3vs83....do they seek for other than the religion of Allah? While all creatures in the heavens and on earth have willingly or unwillingly bowed to His Will

The verse above speaks of a universal submission to the will of God "like I have clarified in your previous post....universal submission in the sense that they exists some laws of nature which overwhelms you and you cannot disobey e.g every living thing must die....

The word jihad is struggle or strive,,if the word jihad means battle or war prophet mohammad wouldn't summon us to make jihad against or lustful selves

Like I have said and always will say the hadith isn't a criterion for the authenticity of the koran,,,the koran speaks for it self....so if you want to discuss the koran discuss the koran

Quran is incomplete without hadith. Allahh said you should obey him and also obey Muhammad, his partner.You cannot practice islam without hadiths, which are the words and deed of Muhammad. So, you cannot deny hadiths no matter how hard you try.

Skako:
yes God destroyed them but that was old testament not new testament because Paul says

We are not under the law of
Moses;.......................... (Galatians
5:1 ).


which means we are not under gay law

Stop lying, this is:
Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

What is gay law and where can we find it?

BETATRON:
another display of ignorance...still interpreting "jihad" as fight....have you forgotten so soon that the koran clearly stated "let there be no Compulsion in religion" your deliberate wrong interpretations have lead you and a whole lots like you into misguidance .

Fight as everyone knows it means battle. It is only the muslims that lie to give it another meaning. Whyt is jihad not interpreted struggle but fight? Height of hypocrisy.

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking a religion other than Allah's, when every soul in the heavens and the earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?" But didn't the earlier verse (2:256) state that there is "no compulsion in religion"? This contradiction is resolved by abrogation - where the later verse supersedes the earlier one.


Bukhari (60:80) - "The Verse:--'You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.' means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam."

To you, that is jihad.

malvisguy212:
In the Bible we can read how Jehovah God
cares for his prophets. He protects them from
being deceived by their adversaries:
Psalms 105:14-15: “And God did not
allow any human to defraud them, But
on their account he reproved kings, Saying:
‘Do not you men touch my anointed
ones, And to my prophets do nothing
bad.’”
In complete contrast, we find Allah doing the
very opposite. He defrauds the prophets by
appointing evil men and demons to lead them
astray.
Surah 6:112: “So have We appointed for
every Prophet an enemy – devils of men
and Jinns; who inspire each other with
seductive, deceptive speech which leads
astray.”

True talk.

BETATRON:
this chewing this empty point......do you know that the devil is accredited for years of worship and dedication to God before he became the worst of creation??...what do you have to say now

What is the relevance of that?

The people who are into terrorism are the true muslims following the example of Muhammad. Muhammad said he had been ordered by allahh to fight all the people till they confess that none has the right to be worshipped but allahh alone.

What is islamic terrorists also doing?

mustymatic:
Commandments didn't mention worshipping Jesus...y r u worshipping him? Why are there gay pastors?

People worshipped Jesus, even as a baby. Even Herod said the wise men should report back to him so that he could worship him.

Jesus said ''not all who call him Lord'' will enter the kingdom of heaven. This means he was aware people called him Lord.and he never rejected it. Doesn't the Lord deserve to be worshiped?

Skako:
but that pastor proof it biblically

Quote for me the Bible verse that enjoins homosexuality.

Maybe you don't know God destroyed Sodom and Gommorah for the sin of homosexuality.

It is because your thread has been debunked, you tried to digress.

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