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Nadheer15:
You see your problem, can't you present your points reasonably? Must you abuse or curse, go get a life mehn!

What do you term abuse?

If somebody said something that is not the truth, is it an abuse to call him a liar?

Nadheer15:
Thrash! What of Sam Shamoun, Craig Winn, Matt Slick, Anderson, etc?!

Islam is all about devilish LIES!

https://www.nairaland.com/2507051/muhammad-vs-other-prophets

Jagoon:
The fruits mohamed bears is the islamic terrorism that has plagued this earth since the earth was cursed with his birth, if only his mother had aborted the vermin when he was still in the womb.

Ironically, Alliar (allahh) said he sent Muhammad as a mercy to the peoples (Quran 21:107).

Muhammad could not be the prophet of the true God who said ''But the prophet who speaks a
word presumptuously in My name
which I have not commanded him
to speak, or which he speaks in
the name of other gods, that
prophet shall die.’(Deut. 18:20).

By God's standard, Muhammad would have been put to death. So it was not the true God who sent him with the quran.

Again, these are obvious LIES by the god of Muhammad:

1. No prophets before Muhammad married the wives of their adopted sons as claimed by allahh.

2. No prophets before Muhammad apologized to God for declaring the words from satan as claimed by allahh.

I have challenged the muslims to come forward, they are not fit. It is a pity. Desist from a lying god and accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

What a prophet.
This is serious.

Good afternoon muslims, still searching?

Jagoon:
Honestly I think they are actually possessed by some negative spirit. The fact that they actually have to lie so much to defend there pathetic religion should tell them that their religion is false.

They are truly possessed by lying spirits while Al-liar (allahh) himself is satan under the veil. He said he could only speak to Muhammad under veil instead of speaking directly to him (Quran 42:51). He again contradicted himself when he said he spoke to Moses directly (Quran 4:164). Why was he masquirading?

true2god:
Osama Abdullah is an arab racial supremacist who sees no wrong in the atrociticies of mohammed. He, in most cases, also lied that mohammed never did any wrong. But when you point out mohammed's deeds\instructions in the quran and the hadiths, he will quickly shout 'out of context' without giving any alternative meaning. If you accused mohammed of marrying a 6-yr old baby (when he was 51), he will say it was acceptable then but not now.

Muslims are funny people who hardly apply logic to see that mohammed can never be a prophet. In one hadith mohammed described one of his black slaves (cos he was also into slave trading) 'RAISIN HEAD'. That means mohammed is a pure rascist with that sort of 'stereotype' description of fellow human. Mohammed is the only known religiosly global figure that legitimately enslaved black with approval of his coran.

Shame on any black who defends the evil of mohammed against we blacks.

Muslims are addicted liars.

Liars deceive their own selves because right inside them, they know they are lying.

basilico:
Muhammad the prophet. Who only received revelations when wearing Aisha's clothes and not his other wives.
Today we call a man who wears feminine clothes a transexxxxual.

Right!

A Transexual and Crossdresser.

proo212:
@Truthman2012, Malvisguy and True2god, i'm sure you know the owner of answering-christianity.com is Osama Abdullah. Just listen to any of his debates and you can see the exact mindset of someone who would use his website as material for rebuttal.

Keep on the good work guys and God will continue to use you. I know its very laborious but the harvest is plenty. This is the only motivating factor.

God bless you bro.

Good morning muslims.
Still searching for answers to my questions since yesterday?
I am becoming impatient.

truthman2013:
quote author=truthman2012 post=36685221



WTF! So I just wasted my time replying all your alleged strong substition?.



I am well trained..



…I am not.




terrorist /ˈtɛrərɪst/
noun
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

So tell me how I am a terrorist? How have I terrorize you? Are you that allergic to the truth?



You are supposed to refute them and not to make all these baseless accusations.



Nooo, not so quick. We won't be going to your next thread until you admit that your lie has been exposed here. It is either you admit or refute my rebuttals one after the other..Then we would go to your next thread.

..truthman..

Nonsense!

There is nothing to refute in your misinterpretations of the quran, giving it your own meaning to suit your arguments. If not, how could you say Christians clearly mentioned in the quran were muslims? And that is the way you have been concocting lies all along pretending you are defending. Smh!

I know there is nothing to refute in my new thread ''Muhammad Vs Other Prophet'', where AL-liar (allahh) lied as usual that the people of old also married their adopted sons wives. Who are the people of old who did so? Not in the bible, not anywhere, so how do you defend that?

He (Al-Liar) also said satan cast his words into past prophets' mouth as he did to Muhammad but he cancelled them, who were the prophets, not in the bible, not any where? How wouldn't you run for the thread?

Desist from a god who tells obvious lies. The bible says satan (allahh in disguise) is a liar and the father of liars.

Demmzy15:
Better respect your old age o

Or else what?

What can you say that you have not said before?

Do you think am moved by your abuses? Afterall your prophet called the Jews monkies and apes. You have a prophet you take after.

Where is this tartar na?

Al-taqqiyah in action.

truthman2013:
quote author=truthman2012 post= 3667827



..You have shown beyond doubt that your head is impervous to correction. Its just too sad that as old as you are, you still want to remain a chronic liar to death. Please think twice on this route you are taking. It is destructive. Its leads to hell.. Jesus according to your bible will deny knowing you.



Once again, even though you are old enough to be my dad, I won't relent in teaching you what you are ignorant of lol... let me put the verse into its rightful context and you should judge it yourself whether its is about todays christians or not: Verse 5:69 appears in the following context

Quran 5:65-74. If only the People of the Book had believed and been righteous, We should indeed have blotted out their iniquities and admitted them to gardens of bliss. If only they had stood fast by the Tawraat, the Injeel, and what has [now] been sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil. O Messenger, proclaim the (message) which has been revealed to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. And Allah will protect you from mankind. For Allah guides not those who reject Faith. Say: "O People of the Book! You have no ground to stand upon unless you establish the Tawraat, the Injeel, and that which has now been sent down to you from your Lord." Verily, that which has been sent down to you (Muhammad) from your Lord increases in many of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So be not sorrowful over the people who disbelieve. Surely, those who believed and the Jews and Sabians and Christians -whosoever believed in Allâh and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them apostles, every time, there came to them an apostle with what they themselves desired not - some (of these) they called impostors, and some they (go so far as to) slay. They thought there would be no trial (or punishment); so they became blind and deaf; yet Allah (in mercy) turned to them; yet again many of them became blind and deaf. But Allah sees well all that they do. They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.

These^^ verses begin by mentioning that the majority of the people of previous scriptures deviated from the truth while some still held fast to their scriptures. Then it mentions that Allah, in His infinite mercy, has sent to the people of the scripture another messenger to guide them back to the truth after they had deviated. They need only believe in Allah and the Last Day and accept the messages that were sent to them in order to attain salvation.Immediately after mentioning that anyone who has faith in Allah and does righteous deeds will be rewarded (verse 5:69), the Qur'an goes on to clarify that the Christians and Jews being referred to here are not those who killed the prophets or blasphemed by ascribing divinity to Prophet Jesus. Rather, verse 5:69 refers to those who follow the true message brought to them by their messengers. It clarifies that the Jews and Christians have now gone astray and conseuqently they do not qualify for the reward given to those who have truly believed and performed righteous deeds. This reward is for those who follow the messages of the Prophets, to worship one God alone and to keep the commandments. If one rejects the prophethood of Muhammad pbuh, they have not followed the message of God. But if one accepts the prophethood of.Muhammad pbuh, then they are amongst those referred to in the verse who will be rewarded, and they are considered Muslims.

**Yawns..I've tried enough here, I may not be ccoming back to this. **



The Quran consists of the story of the past prophets and the seal of the prophet (peace be upon them all) including God's eternal commandment and promise for humankind.

Is the buybull not meant for all ages? Why do you always segregate the OLD testament Law? were they not from YHWH? Do you support jagoon's claim that the OT is not in use again?



Because I was created to serve my creator. Why are you a christian?



Islām is the verbal noun of Form IV of the root, and means "submission" or "surrender." Muslim, the word for an adherent of Islam, is the active participle of the same verb form, and means "one who submits" or "one who surrenders." - wikipedia.

"submitter' to the will of God is called muslim, not just believer in God.

…Hypocrite.

[color=red] Confused old man.

Trash!

To your featherhead.


What is the difference between Israelite Christians and other Christians?

The Quran recognised them as the people of the book.

Just formulating lies thinking you are making sense.

You should then refute the formulated lies.

Quran also recognises the Christians as idolaters for believing Jesus is the Son of God. Nonsense.

That doesn't change the facr that they are people of the book. And they are more regarded that the pagan, hence, the reason why Allah permits us to marry them as well. Therefore, you have no point here.

I have severally debunked this your lie. The treaty was between Muhammad and the pagans. It had nothing to do with the Jews and Christians. Why were the Jews and Christians included in Muhammad's genocide? You keep repeating the same trash. Smh!
If it was a war situation, the war should be between Muhammad and the pagans who broke the treaty (even though this has no authentic hadith backing), then why fight them "even if they are people of the Book"? Yes, Quran 9 again because it says "kill anybody who did not believe in allah who forbid not what is forbidden by him" This is a general term affecting anybody who did not forbid what muslims forbid, in other words, all non-muslims.

I will keep repeating this to your deaf ear: I have made you understand severall times that there is no rationale in using Quran 9 to support your baseless point of Muslim being ordered to attack NON-MUSLIM at will. I have pasted for you the historical background of Surah 9 up dere. Please refer back to it and see where I rightly pointed that it was a verse revealed at the time of war when the Pagans sought to kill the Prophet (pbuh) after breaking the peace treaty they signed with him. So we should understand that the revelation was for a particular time. Exactly when I quoted to you from your bible 'thou shall not kill' only to read NUMBERS to see where Moses was ordered to kill some people..your defence was that it was during a war time, when actually you were unable to present scripture to back it up. Now here I am. Using the Quran to backup the fact that the verse was addressing the oppresed of those times and not bounded on people of today. In essence, Quran 45:14 is an eternal commandment bounded on us, while Quran 9:29 was for the oppressed of the prophet time, whom the.Pagans sought to kill after breaking the peace treaty.


..To you, the word "Christians" in that verse shows they saw the truth of islam and accepted it wholeheartedly.

Yes, the verse and its context made us understand this clearly: Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 82-83:
Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly
And when they hear what has been revealed to the apostle you will see their eyes overflowing with tears on account of the truth that they recognize; they say: Our Lord! we believe, so write us down with the witnesses (of truth).

You must be reasoning up-side-down.

Lool.. Perhaps you think Im reasoning up side down as a result of you reasoning like a goat.

So they were still called Christians after they have converted to islam.
Sorry, I made a mistake there. They actually haven't converted to Islam but they wanted to convert after seeing the glaring truth, hence, ".. Our Lord! we believe, so write us down with the witnesses (of truth)"



You must actually be smoking weeds. [c000]See the kind of lies you are telling…

hahahahahahahaha LWTMB. I don't smoke weed, old man. I'm very sure that you must have smoke a lot of weed during your youthful days hence the reason why your brain is now deteriorating.. ( no offence) LMAO..

The writer of the link is liar like yourself. Those people in verse 83 you referred to are not Christians. Anyone who is sober for islam is no more a Christians. The writer wasn't addressing verse 83. He wrote about verse 51. Get your glasses if you can't see clearly.

If the case is truly as you want us to believe, why would the quran say muslims should not take Christians for friends, I mean if they have decided to leave Christianity for islam?

That means, you didn't bother to read the link. Again, here for you: http://www.answering-christianity.com/friends.htm

My friend, go and rest your brain, you must either have taken weeds or overworked your brain.

Loooooooool.. I don't smoke weed, old man.

I don't need to try harder, the SUBSTITUTIONS, already highlighted still stand very STRONG.

It doesn't stanfmd strong man. Why didn't you bother to tacke the first two alleged abrogation?? Does that mean you accept that nothing like abrogation in them?

..truthman. .

Trash!

Untrained, uncultured, saucy terrorist.

Lying and joining all irrelevant quranic verses to mean what he wants them to mean, calling Christians muslims. Smh!

See your false god further LIES here: www.nairaland.com/2507051/muhammad-vs-other-prophets

tartar9:
e pa you are just a clown.keep recycling old topics and expecting us to answer you.

Give the link to the old topic and let's see. Thank you.

Hah! hah!, where are these muslim guys now.

I challenge Rilwaney01 aka fake truthman2013 and his cohorts to answer the questions.

If they cannot I will not hesitate to call their god a liar.

Rilwayne01 aka fake truthmaan2013[/b]

For whom is salvation? For JEWS, CHRISTIANS, SEABIANS. But later substituted with 'ONLY MUSLIMS (Quran 5:69 vs 3:85).


Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 69:
Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve..

What you failed to understand here is that, this verse was not refering to todays jews and christians rather to the Jews and Christians of the time of Moses and Jesus respectively.You can come up to say this is a lie, but I don't care if your brain is unable to see this, but let me put the verse in its rightful context for the truthful people reading this. The proceeding verse of Surah 5:69;

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 70-71:
Certainly We made a covenant with the children of Israel and We sent to them apostles; whenever there came to them an apostle with what that their souls did not desire, some (of them) did they call liars and some they slew. And they thought that there would be no affliction, so they became blind and deaf; then Allah turned to them mercifully, but many of them became blind and deaf; and Allah is well seeing what they do.

^^The context has made us understand that the verse you pointed to to buttress your delusion was actually talking about past event of how the children of Israel went astray. But Quran
in 5:69 makes us understand that not all of them went astray the bolded part of verse 71 hints about it too, and Indeed they shall be rewarded duly from their LORD.

Surah 3, Verse 85:
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

To further buttress my point; Islam is not just a muslim thing. It means "voluntary submission to God". Therefore, those who submitted to God through the message of Moses and Jesus as at their time practised ISLAM. Abraham who was called Muslim (see 2:128, 2:131, 2:133) not because he practised the Islam we are practising today but because he submitted to the will of God as at that time.

What did you mean it is not for today's Jews and Christians? See how you are lying again. Where is it stated that the verse is referring to then Jews and Christians? Liar.

So by that you are saying the quran is not meant for all ages. Then why are you a muslim? Smh!

"Who said islam is not a muslim thing"? Which other believers in God call themselves muslims? Hypocrite.

Will Allah reward the good
deeds of non-Muslims? YES. Later substituted with NO (Quran 2:62 vs 9:17).



The explanation here is exactly the as the one I just did up here. Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 62:
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

The context was talking about the Israelite. I don't think I need to makes more explanation on this, refer back to the one I made up here.

Meanwhile,,Quran 9:17 was even refering to the idolaters as I have made you understand the historical background of Quran 9 that the Idolaters broke the treaty of peace they signed with Muslims and also sought to kill the prophet.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 17:
The idolaters have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness to unbelief against themselves, these it is whose doings are null, and in the fire shall they abide.

Trash!

What is the difference between Israelite Christians and other Christians? Just formulating lies thinking you are making sense.

Quran also recognises the Christians as idolaters for believing Jesus is the Son of God. Nonsense.

How should muslims treat those who do
not believe in an afterlife?
BE KIND TO THEM. But later substituted with ATTACK THEM (Quran 45:14 vs 9:29).

I have made you understand severall times that there is no rationale in using Quran 9 to support your baseless point of Muslim being ordered to attack NON-MUSLIM at will. I have pasted for you the historical background of Surah 9 up dere. Please refer back to it and see where I rightly pointed that it was a verse revealed at the time of war when the Pagans sought to kill the Prophet (pbuh) after breaking the peace treaty they signed with him. So we should understand that the revelation was for a particular time. Exactly when I quoted to you from your bible 'thou shall not kill' only to read NUMBERS to see where Moses was ordered to kill some people..your defence was that it was during a war time, when actually you were unable to present scripture to back it up. Now here I am. Using the Quran to backup the fact that the verse was addressing the oppresed of those times and not bounded on people of today. In essence, Quran 45:14 is an eternal commandment bounded on us, while Quran 9:29 was for the oppressed of the prophet time, whom the Pagans sought to kill after breaking the peace treaty.

I have severally debunked this your lie. The treaty was between Muhammad and the pagans. It had nothing to do with the Jews and Christians. Why were the Jews and Christians included in Muhammad's genocide? You keep repeating the same trash. Smh!

If it was a war situation, the war should be between Muhammad and the pagans who broke the treaty (even though this has no authentic hadith backing), then why fight them "even if they are people of the Book"?

How should muslims treat infidel family? STAY WITH THEM. Later abrogated and substituted with DON'T STAY WITH THEM (Quran 31:15 vs 9:23).

Quran 9 again? Refer back to my explanation above.

Yes, Quran 9 again because it says "kill anybody who did not believe in allah who forbid not what is forbidden by him" This is a general term affecting anybody who did not forbid what muslims forbid, in other words, all non-muslims.

Should Muslims have
Christians for friends? YES. But later replaced with NO (Quran 5:82 vs 5:51).


I don't know what you are smoking, but you are definitely high on it. Quran 5:82-83 talks about those who saw the truth, recognised it and accept it wholeheartedly i.e. those who converted to islam after accepting the truth. It is not just compatible with what you want us to believe up here

To you, the word "Christians" in that verse shows they saw the truth of islam and accepted it wholeheartedly. You must be reasoning up-side-down. So they were still called Christians after they have converted to islam. You must actually be smoking weeds. See the kind of lies you are telling

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 83:
When they listen to that which hath been revealed unto the messengers, thou seest their eyes overflow with tears because of their recognition of the Truth. They say: Our Lord, we believe. Inscribe us as among the witnesses.

As per Quran 5:51 please read here for better understanding: http://www.answering-christianity.com/friends.htm

The writer of the link is liar like yourself. Those people in verse 83 you referred to are not Christians. Anyone who is sober for islam is no more a Christians.

If the case is truly as you want us to believe, why would the quran say muslims should not take Christians for friends, I mean if they have decided to leave Christianity for islam? My friend, go and rest your brain, you must either have taken weeds or overworked your brain.

ARE the SUBSTITUTIONS not clear enough?



Perhaps you should try harder.

I don't need to try harder, the SUBSTITUTIONS, already highlighted still stand very STRONG.

[Quran 22:52 YusufAli] Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom.

The above quranic verse was revealed following Satan casting some words into Muhammad's mouth (the Satanic Verses). Then allah had to console Muhammad after his remorse for the error and allah said ''there was no messenger he had sent that Satan didn't attemt to put words into their mouth but he usually cancelled such words.

My question is: Which of the past prophets received Satan's words like Muhammad that were cancelled?

[Quran 33:37 YusufAli] Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (IN FUTURE) THERE MAY BE NO DIFFICULTY TO THE BELIEVERS IN (THE MATTER OF MARRIAGE) WITH THE WIVES OF THEIR ADOPTED SONS when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.

Quran 33:38 Yusufali] There can be no difficulty to the Prophet in what Allah has indicated to him as a duty. IT WAS THE PRACTICE (APPROVED) OF ALLAH AMONGST THOSE OF OLD THAT HAVE PASSED AWAY. And the command of Allah is a decree determined.

The above two quranic verses are about the saga of Muhammad's marriage with Zynab, the wife of his adopted son.

My questions are:

1. Why did allah say it is no more a sin for anybody following Muhammad precedence IN FUTURE by marrying the wives of their adopted sons when he knew adoption would be cancelled?

2. Which of the past prophets married the wife of his adopted son, which allah said was the practice of the people of old?

truthman2013:
To your dead-brain.



so you refused to reply my rebuttals and you expect me to be repeating myself?


The link is not a distraction. Your alleged notREFUTABLE are utterly refuted on the link https://www.nairaland.com/638130/abrogation-quranic-verses-greatest-lie It is now left to you to see the truth for what it is.



So, you expect me to repeat myself when actually I have addresed this up there in my rebuttal? You are sounding boring old man.



Who is lying between myself and you when it is obvious that you are scared to address the truth posed at you?
Stop living in denial. You failed woefully on this thread. You can't defend your bible on my thread and in your attempt to discredit the Quran, you failed. Won't you just throw your bible in the trash?

truthman..

Must you always lie fake truthman2013? I have gone through the links you gave and there is nowhere allahh's substituted revelations are quoted as I did up there. In fact, one of the links was my thread. Copy them from the links and paste them here if you are not lying or give the link to the the page where it was so highlighted.

Your case is like somebody being seriously beaten and still shouting ''am winning''. Liar.

Can you eat non-halal
meat? YES. But later abrogated and substituted with NO. (Quran 5:5 versus 6:118).

Should muslims marry non-muslims? 'NO' and later substituted with 'YES' (Quran 2:221 vs 5:5).

For whom is salvation? For JEWS, CHRISTIANS, SEABIANS. But later substituted with 'ONLY MUSLIMS (Quran 5:69 vs 3:85).

Will Allah reward the good
deeds of non-Muslims? YES. Later substituted with NO (Quran 2:62 vs 9:17).

How should muslims treat those who do
not believe in an afterlife?
BE KIND TO THEM. But later substituted with ATTACK THEM (Quran 45:14 vs 9:29).

How should muslims treat infidel family? STAY WITH THEM. Later abrogated and substituted with DON'T STAY WITH THEM (Quran 31:15 vs 9:23).

Should Muslims have
Christians for friends? YES. But later replaced with NO (Quran 5:82 vs 5:51).

ARE the SUBSTITUTIONS not clear enough?

How can you guys refute them?

Did you see all these in the links you cleverly wanted to use for cover-up?

truthman2013:
You mean those out-of-context verses you quoted to support your delusion? Well, those claims were clearly refuted here: https://www.nairaland.com/638130/abrogation-
quranic-verses-greatest-lie



I was addressing Surah 9. Please reply my rebuttal if you are truthful on this.



https://www.nairaland.com/638130/abrogation-
quranic-verses-greatest-lie



Did you bother to reply it? Do you want me to help you by copying it again? I would fo that ASAP.

..truthman..

Trash!

I don't need to reply as it would mean repeating myself.

The link you gave is a distraction. It is not what is said there but what we have seen here with our own eyes:

Were there SUBSTITUTIONS to allahh's revelations? YES. There are many and some of them already posted, which are not REFUTABLE.

Were islamic wars for SELF DEFENCE or REPRISALS? NO. There many proven cases of direct attack on those who did not believe in allahh.

Were muslims wars against only the pagans who broke treaty? NO. Jews and Christians who were not under the treaty were also killed for not believing in allahh.

No one can refute the glaring truth without resorting to lying.

abduljabbar4:
Must i be the one to explain mr lieman? Truthman2013 explained and the best you and your a$$ licker could do was to call him a liar out of frustration. Meanwhile have you danced naked today? Oh today is Friday

Look man, Rilwayne lied that it is the Torah and the Gospel that were substituted with the quran and I proved him wrong by citing quranic verses that show Torah and Gospel were in use at Muhammad's time.

He also claimed islamic wars were agains pagans for breaching treaty or oath and I proved him wrong by saying the innocent Jews and Christians who were not under the treaty were also killed and evident from the quran.

He said there are no substitutions in the quran and I proved him wrong by posting some of them.

Now tell me what rebuttals did he make.

abduljabbar4:
Stop displaying your buybull mentality here that's why I never cared to reply the op. Now after getting answers, the most you can do is to call it a lie when you have 0 proof that truthman lied. Indeed, anti-lieman2012 is here!

Look at allahh's substituting or reversing his own words as clearly stated up there and defend why he would say something today and reverse it tomorrow, manipulating the muslims. The ignorant muslims would say there are no contradictions in the quran.

truthman2013:
Loool. So this is what you resort to when your thread is utterly refuted? Don't you have shame at all You can't address my rebuttal but you can type rubbish?

..truthman .

Hey!

You once lied there are no SUBTITUTIONS/ABROGATIONS in the quran, now that you have seen some of them, why are you silent?

Common, speak out. Or are you searching for LIES to defend them?

abduljabbar4:
Shut up lieman after getting answers from truthman ur still not satisfied. You will keep on getting dissappointed cos our religion is the only true religion. Watch out for my questions. They are almost ready

Look at allahh's revelations and the abrogations/substitutions up there and say something. A god that is inconsistent cannot be the true God.

Let Rilwayne01 aka fake truthman2013 or yourself come and defend the list of substituted verses in the quran and let's see. He had once lied that there are no substitutions in quran.

For your information, there is nothing like true religion. The true God has no religion but His own people.

truthman2013:
Loool. So this is what you resort to when your thread is utterly refuted? Don't you have shame at all You can't address my rebuttal but you can type rubbish?

..truthman .

You still can talk?

Didn't you read allahh's REVELATIONS and the ABROGATION or SUBSTITUTION up there?

Something or rather many things must be wrong with you if you are still arguing.

''When We SUBSTITUTE one
revelation for another,- and Allah
knows best what He reveals (in
stages),- they say, "Thou art but
a forger": but most of them
understand not [Quran 16:101
YusufAli].
The people at that time accussed
Muhammad of forgery having
discovered the
INCONSTITENCIES in the
revelations he claimed he
received.

Is it not crystal clear now that allahh was changing his words by substitutions despite his boast that his words cannot change? A lying god!!!

All of Rilwayne01 alias fake truthman2013 LIES have been exposed.

ALLAH'S REVELATIONS AND THE SUBSTITUTIONS

Can muslims marry non-
Muslims?

DO NOT MARRY UNBELIEVING WOMEN (idolaters), until they
believe: A slave woman who
believes is better than an
unbelieving woman, even
though she allures you. Nor
marry (your girls) to
unbelievers until they believe: A
man slave who believes is
better than an unbeliever, even
though he allures you.
Unbelievers do (but) beckon
you to the Fire. But Allah
beckons by His Grace to the
Garden (of bliss) and
forgiveness, and makes His
Signs clear to mankind: That
they may celebrate His praise.
Qur'an 2:221

SUBSTITUTED WITH:

This day are (all) good things
made lawful for you. The food
of those who have received the
Scripture is lawful for you, and
your food is lawful for them.
And so are the virtuous women
of the believers AND THE VIRTUOUS WOMEN OF THOSE WHO RECEIVED THE SCRIPTURE BEFORE YOU (lawful for you) when ye
give them their marriage
portions and live with them in
honour, not in fornication, nor
taking them as secret
concubines. Whoso denieth the
faith, his work is vain and he
will be among the losers in the
Hereafter.
Qur'an 5:5

Will Allah reward the good
deeds of non-Muslims?

Lo! Those who believe (in that
which is revealed unto thee
Muhammad) and those who are
Jews and Christians and
Sabaens – whosoever believeth
in Allah and the Last Day and
doeth right – SURELY THEIR REWARD IS WITH THEIR LORD and
there shall no fear come upon
them neither shall they grieve.
Qur’an 2:62

SUBSTITUTED WITH:

It is not for such as join gods
with Allah, to visit or maintain
the mosques of Allah while they
witness against their own souls
to infidelity. THE WORKS OF SUCH BEAR NO FRUITS?: In Fire shall they
dwell.
Qur'an 9:17

How should muslims treat those who do
not believe in an afterlife?

Tell those who believe, to
FORGIVE those who do not look
forward to the Days of Allah: It
is for Him to recompense (for
good or ill) each People
according to what they have
earned.
Qur'an 45:14

SUBSTITUTED WITH:

Fight those who believe not in
Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been
forbidden by Allah and His
Messenger, nor acknowledge
the religion of Truth, (even if
they are) of the People of the
Book, until they pay the Jizya
with willing submission, and
feel themselves subdued.
Qur'an 9:29

For whom is salvation?

Those who believe (in the
Qur'an), those who follow the
Jewish (scriptures), and the
Sabians and the Christians, - any
who believe in Allah and the
Last Day, and work
righteousness,- on them shall
be no fear, nor shall they
grieve.
Qur'an 5:69

SUBSTITUTED WITH:

If anyone desires a religion
other than Islam (submission to
Allah), never will it be accepted
of him; and in the Hereafter He
will be in the ranks of those
who have lost (All spiritual
good).
Qur'an 3:85

What should muslims do with infidel family?

And if they contend with you
that you should associate with
Me what you have no
knowledge of, do not obey
them, and KEEP COMPANY WITH THEM IN THIS WORLD KINDLY, and
follow the way of him who
turns to Me, then to Me is your
return, then will I inform you of
what you did
Qur'an 31:15

SUBSTITUTED WITH:

O ye who believe! Choose not
your fathers nor your brethren
for friends if they take pleasure
in disbelief rather than faith.
Whoso of you taketh them for
friends, such are wrong-doers.
Qur'an 9:23




Let me stop here as the list is sooo long.

SUMMARY:

Was allah changing his words by SUBSTITUTION after he had said his word cannot change? YES. If anyone doubts it, I promise to post some of the SUBSTITUTIONS.

Allah said the whole earth has submitted to him WILLINGLY OR BY COMPULSION. Is it true? NO. A number of people do not submit to him as there are Jews, Christians, atheists etc who do not recognise islamic allahh as the true God.

Are islamic wars for SELF DEFENCE OR REPRISAL? NO. Many innocent Jews and Christians who were harmless were killed for not believing Muhammad and his newly found allahh, which was one of the 360 idols inside kaaba.

Is the quran a replacement of the Torah and Gospel? NO. The quran itself confirms Torah and Gospel were in use during Muhammad's LONE revelations, not confirmed by any other prophet. Unlike the bible where different prophets from different generations confirmed the word of the true God.

Jesus is Lord, halelluyah!!!

Jagoon:
@Al TaqquiyaMan2013

The fact that you had to tell so many lies to defend your god is clear evidence that within you, you know your allah is a liar and therefore a fraud.

You see bro., these muslims have no conscience at all. Nothing rebukes them when they are lying like their allah. Since their god is lying, what does one expects from his slaves? Like god like slaves.

Rilwayne001 aka fake truthman2013

You have eventually come up with some lies. You are welcome.

Let me expose the lies in your self formulations:

Have you ever bothered to look at the inconsistency in the bible?

You lack good knowledge of the bible.

Allah clearly stated that his words are not subject to change. [Quran 10:64 YusufAli] For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; NO CHANGE CAN THERE BE IN THE WORDS OF Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.



What you refused to grasb from this beautiful verse is that - it is a promise made to the believers i.e. Nothing can change is promise for us.

Ibn katheer says: "meaning, this promise doesn't change or breach or fall short.It is decreed and firm, and going to happen undoubtedly."

It's evident in the Qur'an that the call of all previous Prophets and Messengers involved 3 principles that cannot be changed: 1) To know your Lord 2) The path that will lead to His mercy 3) What you will receive i.e reward, mercy, Jannah etc.

Although the religion brought by the Messengers wa one i.e. the believe in God almighty and submission to His will, the laws of the Prophets differed from one another. "...To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a
clear way..." [Qur'an 5: 48]

The basic message and core islamic creed and fundementals remain the same. The divinely revealed books all come from one source see Qur'an 3: 1-4) and were all revealed for one purpose and with one aim. They were revealed to show the way for mankind to live on this earth, to lead them by means fo teachings, directions and guidance.

Your lie here is that the quran says allah's words and not his promise cannot change. Twistiing!!!!!!!!!!!

Based on your your wrong assertions up there, why was he (allah)[b]substituting[/b]one revelation for another?

You have no rebuttal on this point my friend. You just formulated something. No wonder it took you so long to speak at last.

''When We SUBSTITUTE one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not [Quran 16:101 YusufAli].


… The Arabic word mentioned is ayat which means ‘signs’ or ‘verses’ and which can also mean ‘revelations’.This verse of the Qur’an can be interpreted in two different ways:

a. The revelations that are abrogated are those revelations that were revealed before the Qur’an, for example the Torah, the Zaboor and the Injeel.Here Allah says that He does not cause the previous revelations to be forgotten but He substitutes them with something better or similar, indicating that the Torah, the Zaboor and the Injeel were substituted by the Qur’an.

Pure lie. Where is it stated that it is the revelations before the quran, Torah and Gospel were changed or abrogated and substituted by the quran? This is your own idea. Show authentic proof.

If the previous revelations have been abrogated and substituted by the quran, why did allah say the Gospel and Torah be used as in:

How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43).Do you make use of what has been abrogated or changed?

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47). Do you still make use of what has been changed or abrogated?

Look for another lie my friend.

Why happened to the revelations being changed, were there mistakes?


There were no mistakes,rather similar and better revelations were revealed.

Is allah all-knowing? Who gave him the better idea?

And so, biblical call to war are for what exactly

The bible did not call for religious war to convert the infidels. The wars were between a nation to another nation. It is not prescribed for us to continue. But for muslims, wars are prescribed for them to convert people by force like boko haram, isil and other islamic jihadists. I learned that the head of isil holds phd in islamic studies. He must know better than you for doing what he is doing.

Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking
a religion other than Allah's,
when every soul in the heavens
and the earth has submitted to
Him, WILLINGLY or by
COMPULSION?"


UNWILLINGLY.....The basic principle characterizing the universe, in other words the religion of the universe and of every part of it, is Islam; insofar as the universe is in a state of total obedience and service to the Will of God. Here people are asked if they would follow a way of life different from Islam though they are part of the universe which is characterized by submission to God (islam). This is not about war as you have want us to understand.

Lie! The religion of the universe and of every part of it is not islam. The word islam is a deceptive word designed by satan to include every believer in God. Everybody in the universe is not a muslim, hence the fighting the unbelievers by muslims.

Not everybody in the world submits to God, some don't even believe God exists. Even though muslims worship satan in ignorance, there are people whose religion is Satan Worship, the satanists. Do those ones too submit to your allah?

Then, it is untrue that every soul has submitted to Allah on the earth as the quran asserts. A larger number of the world population are non-muslims. Why is he telling an obvious lie.


refer back to my explanation up there.

Allah lies here. Not everybody submits to him. There are people who don't believe he exists, talkless of submitting to him.

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." This is clearly a case of first attack. Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."



This has already been addressed on one of your thread.
Surah 9, Verse 13:
Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makkah) and intended to expel the Messenger, while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

^^ This verse makes us understand clearly the context behind this surah. i.e the pagans of mecca after breaking their oaths sought to expel the Prophet (SAw) out of mecca. So they attacked the muslims first.

Islamic war is not against pagans of Mecca alone. Both the Jews are Christians were also killed till now. Don't hide under any treaty or oath made by pagans.

[Quran3:151] Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah (the Christians), for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."
Here, Muhammad was ordered to fight the people, not for SELF-DEFENCE or REPRISAL but for FORCED CONVERSION.


The statements are exclusive and biding on Prophet alone for some specific time and condition, as there were some Jews and Christians and hypocrites Muslims during his lifetime which, is clearly shown in the Quran. And this was proved as the Prophet pet his uncle Abu Talib with Islam till death but to no avail!. Aside where are we to put Q2: 256 when Allah says: “ There should be no compulsion in the religion. Surely right has become distinct from the wrong…”, and “Say O you disbelivers. I worship not that which you worship, nor worship you what I worship … for you your religion, and for me my religion” Q107: 1-6 . Why did the messenger not put chain on the disbelievers of his time like Abu-Lahab to accept Islam? When Allah says: “Verily you guide not whom you like but Allah guide whom He will and He knows best those who are the
guided” Q28:56. All these have absolved the Prophet and Islam from the evils and misinterpretations of any Quranic verse or hadith narration and have vindicated the Muslims of their stand. Even plainbibletruth acknowledged this fact when he said: Even some of his very close friends and associates were Jews and Christians. His main secretary was said to be a Jew. . Then the question is, why didn't he kill them, since thats what you wanted us to believe up here

Cover your face with your two hands for this lie.

Was Muhammad alone in the fight? What about his other soldiers?

Islam is full of lies, inconsistencies and hypocrisy. A verse says "let there be no compulsion in religion" another says "fight the people of the book, who forbid not what allah has forbidden". This is another clear case of allah changing his words I am talking about.

My friend, as you can see for yourself that you have refuted nothing. You only put some lies up to erase the fact that the muslims are avoiding the questions. Questions remain unanswered yet.