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malvisguy212:
nonsense, someone vow not to change his word and leter he change his word , if a human being act like this , you will agreed with me , he is unstable in his word.

Dont mind them bro.

Rilwayne001 aka fake 'truthman2013' has been searching for defence since yesterday morning (more than 24 hrs ago), he has not found any and he cannot find because it is not available.

How does he want to defend glaring lies unless he is preparing more lies for defence? Fake 'truthman'!

malvisguy212:
nonsense, someone vow not to change his word and leter he change his word , if a human being act like this , you will agreed with me , he is unstable in his word.

Dont mind them bro.

Rilwayne001 aka fake 'truthman2013' has been searching for defence since yesterday morning (more than 24 hrs ago), he has not found any and he cannot find because it is not available.

truthman2013:
I will certainly reply the OP even though its going to be a futile mission because I know for sure that you will never accept the glaring truth for what it no matter how many times authoritative backings is provided for it.



I urge you to come back and show me these rebuttals of yours. Let us know how you refuted the thread.


A lot. Just be patient. [/colorl



[color=red] hahahahahahahaha this got me really laughing out loud. So my interpretation of the bible is devilish while your interpretation of the Quran is impeccable as displayed in the OP? You are such a joke old man. Just hear yourself, does that make any iota of sense?? I don't understand your bible, but you understood the Quran clearly, isn't that your point? Ridiculous.




You ran away from 2 of my threads now. What do you have to say about that? And here I am standing gidigba on your threads packing an astounding rebuttals to your useless thread.



So in essence, you have can't defend christianity in my threads hence the reason why you gasping for breath here?

..truthman..

What has stopped you from refuting the OP since yesterday and you have all the time for the trash you have been posting since? Looking for lies?

Don't trouble youself searching the internet. I have done the searching looking for muslims' defence, it is not available.

abduljabbar4:
The fool wants me to follow the surest path to hell(christianity). Answer the questions you are running away from 1st on truthman2013 thread. Have you ever seen me answering those who spread lies against my religion just because it is the worlds fastest rising religion on earth? I don't know why truthman wants to asnwer you sef.

I laugh at you guys still avoiding the questions. I discovered each time I raised those questions in my responses to various threads, muslims looked away from them. Then I knew you have no lies to defend them.

You guys take solace in your claim that islam is the fastest growing religion. If the whole world turn to islam and all go to hell as allah has promised, what does it benefit you?

With what you have read in the OP, nobody in his right senses would still trust islamic allahh. People with their senses intact would have discovered allahh is not the true God who owns heaven. I mean heaven, not the fictitious al-jannah where women abound for s.exual immorality, an example of which was demonstrated by Muhammad on earth.

truthman2013:
...absolute BS. You haven't debunke anything. You actually ran away with tails between your legs. Why don't you drop christianity since you can't defend it…



What authoritative backing are you talking are you talking about? do you ever believe in any? Most of your silly threads have been refuted with these authority backing times without numbers, do you ever succumb to the truth? did it stop you from bringing them up again as usual? Your head is impervous to correction.



..run away from who? oga, let finish our biz.

..truthman..

It is so clear now that you have no refutal for the OP, you are only buying time.

In your refuted thread, I made about 3 or 4 posts with clear evidences. But what have you said on this particular OP?

Waiting for me to accept your devilish interpretations of the Bible as a condition for your comment on this thread is not a clever way of running away from trouble spot.

I am so sure you have nothing, I mean nothing to defend allah's manipulative statements stated in the OP. I challenge you.

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abduljabbar4:
Exactly

Nonsense!

You guys skipped the OP for lack of defence and made false allegation against the Bible. Smh!

You have no proof from the Bible or any Christian source that the Bible was changed apart from the muslims and atheists saying it. Unlike islam where I cited even the quran that allah was changing his own revelations to deceive the people.

The same allah directed the people to use the Christians and Jews Scripture as I earlier cited. I advise you to reject being deceived by satan in disguise who wants to send you to hell.

truthman2013:
No one is avoiding you question. I will certainly reply them accordingly. But before then, lets finish our business here https://www.nairaland.com/2486885/god-never/1

..truthman..

I have debunked your thread there with tenable evidences. No need for further unnecessary arguments.

If you have anything to say on this OP, don't bring in your own idea or any islamic clergy's without authoritative backing as you used to do.

I promise to remind you of your promise to reply in case you want to run away for want of evidence.

Questions muslims have been avoiding and they are actually avoiding them again.

I do advise you all to drop islam for the FALSEHOOD you have discovered. Join us in our journey to God's true Holy Heaven, where there are no males or females has allah falsely asserted.

You are welcome.

mustymatic:

............no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.
Many have tried and failed woefully, the word of Allah (Quran) will never be changed.
In other words the Bible is the most edited book in history

Trash!

You didn't answer any of the questions. The one you attempted to answer is not about allah's words being changed by men. The question is why was he (allah) inconsistent, replacing almost all his revelations by himself, if not all.

The word of allah will never be changed by men but he himself can change it after he had said there can be no change to his words. Lying god.

What about ALL other questions?

When was the bible edited and by who? At Muhammad's time it was authentic:

How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43).

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47).

Jagoon:
It's either allah is mohamed or he is Satan himself on a mission to lead people away from God.

I strongly believe it is the latter.

THE INCONSTENCIES IN ALLAH'S REVELATIONS.

Allah clearly stated that his words are not subject to change.

[Quran 10:64 YusufAli] For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; NO CHANGE CAN THERE BE IN THE WORDS OF ALLAH. This is indeed the supreme felicity.

But he (Allah) defied his own words by saying:

''When We SUBSTITUTE one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not [Quran 16:101 YusufAli].
The people at that time accussed Muhammad of forgery having discovered the INCONSTITENCIES in the revelations he claimed he received.

Questions:

Why did allah defy his own words by changing his revelations, SUBSTITUTING one for another?

Why happened to the revelations being changed, were there mistakes?

Since allah could not keep his own words, how can you trust his promises?

THE MUSLIMS' CALL TO WAR.

It is the usual defence of the muslims that islamic wars are for SELF-DEFENCE or REPRISAL.

Can the same be said for the following islamic statements?

Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking
a religion other than Allah's,
when every soul in the heavens
and the earth has submitted to
Him, WILLINGLY or by
COMPULSION?"
By compulsion means the muslims have to fight the unbelievers to submit.
This is first attack and not SELF-DEFENCE or REPRISAL.

Then, it is untrue that every soul has submitted to allah on the earth as the quran asserts. A larger number of the world population are non-muslims. Why is he telling an obvious lie.

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
This is clearly a case of first attack.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
The reason for the fight is that people failed to believe in allah and did not forbid what is forbiden by him.

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."
Here, Muhammad was ordered to fight the people, not for SELF-DEFENCE or REPRISAL but for FORCED CONVERSION.

malvisguy212:
its a choice, you believe or you reject,you chose to reject God base on the OLD covenant ? Good for you .

I've been saying this for long and I will continue to say it:

The angel Lucifer fell and became Satan (“adversary”) due to his desire to supplant God. This was Lucifer’s single-minded obsession. He not only rejected God by attempting to supplant Him, but he urged humans to do likewise. Satan urged Eve to choose against God for her own self-fulfilment:

Genesis 3:1-5
He said to the woman, “Did God actually
say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the
garden’?” And the woman said to the
serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the
trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You
shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that
is in the midst of the garden, neither
shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the
serpent said to the woman, “You will not
surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” .

LET US ANALYSED THIS:
The tactic is clear: firstly, question God’s
statements, then, contradict God’s
statements and, finally, urge rebellion in seeking equality with God.

This manifests in atheists as
1. Questioning whether there is a God to
make statements in the first place, so
God did not say anything.
2. Contradicting the statements said to
have been spoken by God.
3. Seeking equality with God by replacing God with the self.

This satanic deception appeals strongly
to atheists as it bolsters two of their
desired delusions:
1 absolute autonomy: being free to do as they please, and
2 the lack of ultimate accountability:
there are no eternal consequences for
doing as they please.

The fool say there is no God ,he is not a fool because he is an atheist , but he is a fool because he think he can get awy with his bad moral behaviour, he think God will not notice his sin .

Exactly so - ''QUESTION God's statement, CONTRADICT God's statement and urge REBELLION against God''.

The atheists have soft spot for islam, yet they say their is no God, is allahh not a god?

There is a meeting point for atheism and islam as the deity that is responsible for atheists not believing in God is the one who is also responsible for muslims believing in false god.

true2god:
You are a fake 'truthman'. Mohammed copied from the bible to form his coran and you are here confusing people with a similar 'truthman' ID, cant you be yourself? I almost mistaken you for the original truthman, must muslims be always fake and copicants?

Muslims are not ashamed of copying the Christians. Why are they coping us if we are not the original? Funny, the FAKE is accussing the ORIGINAL of falsehood.

Delusiongirl20:
But the content of the bible doesn't appeal to my kind of person because most of its contents are immoral. For example, slavery, encouraged killing of other tribes - GENOCIDE, thou shall not kill but the same god told the Israelites to kill men, children, then keep the virgins, and numerous other immoral acts encouraged in the bible.

''Thou shall not kill'' was one of the 10 commandments within the community of Israel, it doesn't apply to war situation between two nations.

mustymatic:
All the messengers of Allah preached the same message (belief) revealed to them,the oneness of Allah, its only the jurisprudence that changes. I'm explaining to you, when you explain the bible where do you get aid? the quran is not translated jus like that. check other translations for better understanding, why would I lie? na wa for you ooh ..
Keep deviating from the op

This is where you got it wrong. The Jews already believed in Oneness of God. Therefore Jesus didn't need to preach it to them:

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is ONE (Deut 6:4).

But mind you, the one-God referred to there is not islamic allahh but Yahweh.

abduljabbar4:
Thats what you use to consol yourselves. But then why is that many christians go to an Imam during Tafsirs and tell him that they want to convert. I guess they were "forced" too

Prove.

abduljabbar4:
Nothing credible but yet its the fastest growing religion in the world. You arent exposing sh!t, you are exposing your stupidity here.

No insult meant

Islam may be growing due to multiple wives married by muslims and bearing many children uncatered for. Go to the Northern Nigeria and see, so it is with other islamic countries.

What message do muslims have or what signs and wonders do they have to convince people? No message in the quran other than attacking the Jews and the Christians.

rufychuks:
This is getting scary. I googled Abuja Declaration 1989 and the information I obtained is very disheartening.
http://kingdomnewsng.com/news/103-beware-abuja-declaration-has-been-edited

Buhari seems to have been fulfilling the area of appointing muslims into strategic positions.

These people should be careful if they want peace in the country.

eitsei:
this op always out to defame n talk bad about Islam n prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)...but no matter what you do u can't diminish d superiority of Allah n Islam cos he has promised us Islam will always conquer

Islam will always conquer by what means?

That is exactly the aim and objectives of all islamic terrorist groups. Conquest means acquiring by FORCE. Yet to all of you islam is a religion of peace. What an irony!

There is confirmation aplenty; authentic and widespread. The whole body of hadith sciences serves to confirm the truth of the message of the prophet (saw). In fact, confirmations of the Qur'an are more in number and have superior authenticity to the authorship of the Bible or any other book in history.

Lies!!!

Hadiths are the words and deed of Muhammad. Was Muhammad confirming his own revelations?

There was no confirmation for quranic revelations. Who else did allah speak to for confirmation?

Demmzy15:
Salam Aleikum bro, Jazakallahu kayran for this great thread. I'll advice you to ignore this guy, he asks too many irrelevant questions. If you've noticed other threads no one pays attention to him. Most of the questions he asks are to make fun or to set a trap, but Allah is great and no one falls. Once again thank you, your thread now is a reference!

Hmmn!!

The shortest route to escape from trouble, right?

hayor93:
As if u witnessed it.

The OP is clear enough na.

truthman2013:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.…..

.....Number 31:17 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

..truthman..

Hello fake truthman2013.

Your bible interpretation is terrible o!

''Thou shall not kill'' is one of the ten commandments. It is a law operating within the community of Israel. It did apply to war situation between two nations.

truthman2012:
@ OP

What is the context of the following verses?

1.
Quran (3:56) - "As to THOSE WHO REJECT FAITH, I will punish them with terrible agony IN THIS WORLD and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

2.
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

3.
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE.Therefore STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS and STRIKE OFF every FINGERTIPS of them"

4.
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) AND RELIGION SHOULD BE ONLY for Allah"

@JustPeace01

I noticed you skipped no. 3 and 4 in your explanations, why?

Those verses ordered muslims to go around striking unbelievers' head for not accepting islam. In fact the killings should continue until islam becomes the only religion.

Jagoon:
Do you know islam more than the head of isis who is a devout arab muslim with a phd in islamic studies I know it is kitman you arer practising here

So the head of isis has phd in islamic studies? He knows better than non-violent muslims.

That is what I have always tried to make muslims understand. The few violent muslims are the true muslims because that was the exact thing Muhammad was doing.

abduljabbar4:
I disagree with 2 and 3.
Even in the Holy Qur'an it was stated that there is no compulsion in religion. Though i have not seen many people converting to christianity but the little i have seen are still around. One of them has a shop and till today he is still living peacefully and guess what i live in Kaduna.

What isis is doing shouldnt be associated with Islam because even though you people misinterpret the Qur'an verses, lets assume you are right.
According to those verses, have you ever seen. Where it was stated that a muslim should kill his fellow Muslim? But what do they do exactly? Most of bokoharam operations affect the muslims. They bomb mosques and villages dominated by Muslims. So if the Qur'an tells us to harm non-muslims(as you believe) why are they harming muslims? It means they arent following the instructions of the Holy Qur'an either. And many Islamic scholars have dissociated Islam with them but yet you still want to use their activities to discredit Islam.
Shekau claimed to be speaking with Allah, in your Islamic "knowledge", im very sure you know prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) is the LAST messanger of Allah. Besides it is forbidden to kill even insects with fire talkless of human beings

There is COMPULSION to islam.

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them
until there is no more Fitnah
(disbelief and polytheism: i.e.
worshipping others besides Allah)
and the religion (worship) will all
BE FOR ALLAH ALONE [in the whole
of the world ]. But if they cease
(worshipping others besides
Allah), then certainly, Allah is
All-Seer of what they do.”

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's
Apostle said, 'I have been ordered
to fight the people till they say:
'None has the right to be
worshipped but Allah.' And if
they say so, pray like our
prayers, face our Qibla and
slaughter as we slaughter, then
their blood and property will be
sacred to us and we will not
interfere with them except legally
and their reckoning will be with
Allah.'"

@ OP

What is the context of the following verses?

1.
Quran (3:56) - "As to THOSE WHO REJECT FAITH, I will punish them with terrible agony IN THIS WORLD and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

2.
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

3.
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE.Therefore STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS and STRIKE OFF every FINGERTIPS of them"

4.
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) AND RELIGION SHOULD BE ONLY for Allah"

abduljabbar4:
I dont know what you debunked there honestly. Your lies arent helping you. Just shut up and get over the fact that more people are converting to Islam

You are not honest to yourself. Compare the quranic quotes I cited and those of the fake truthman2013 and harmonise them refering to authentic islamic source if you can. Quran spits hot and cold at the same time, indicating the type of god behind it.

As for those joining islam, it is the fulfilment of bible prophecy that many people will be deceived at the end time. I pity them.

Brainwashed!!

He must have been a norminal Christian who has no proper training in God's word.

As a pointer to his ignorance, he said it is muslims that follow Jesus. How? Do must follow Jesus or Muhammad?


He didn't understand islam's true nature before he jumbed into it. He has joined the number of the deceived.

May God deliver him.

abduljabbar4:
So you mean after studying Islam for more than 20 years, a non believer knows better than me(or him).
U guys need help

The quran is a small book, about one-fifth of the bible, what did you study for as many as 20 years? You must be a very slow learner.

Even with your years of islamic studies, you still cannot discern the many inconsistencies in the small book. That is serious.

abduljabbar4:
In one of Prophet Muhammads Hadith. He instructed those presentsent to convey his message to those who were absent(those who were yet exist then). How did you get to know about christianity? Through your friends and family but without their forefathers, you wouldnt have known. I hope you understand what i mean. You read without knowing the real interpretation of such verses and then come here to spew trash

Let's see the hadith and how it interprets the quran to all generations. I know it is a lie as a single hadith cannot explain the whole quran.

The quran is translated in English, how can you say it has other meaning different from the translation? Are you saying the translators are not good in Arabic? Why did the islamic world accept their translations?

When muslims are caught napping, their usual defence is: that is not the meaning. Why do you have hidden meaning to quranic verses?

My friend, it will be better for you to stop deceiving yourself.