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veraponpo:
Lalasticalala.

Front page please.

Are these truly so in the Quran?

chiedu7:
GOD & ALLAH ARE NOT THE SAME.

GOD CANNOT LIE

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;


ALLAH IS THE GREATEST LAIR

Surah 3:54
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers


GOD SAID THAT ALLAH IS THE FATHER OF LIES

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

GOD ALSO SAID THAT SATAN DECEIVES THE WORLD

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:


1] NOW WITH ALLAH BEING THE BEST LIAR
2] SATAN BEING THE FATHER OF LIES.
3] SATAN DECEIVING THE WORLD

DO THE MATHS

dijam:
Bismillahi rahmanir rahim, for your questions, Marriage to the divorcee of ones so to say adoptes child is not bad. Islam does not give room for adoption and Allah commands that all child should bear the fathers name. I am not saying that people should not take care of orphans or other people children but they must not carry the name of the guardian but that of their father. The reason is because they do not have the same blood.

dijam:
Bismillahi rahmanir rahim, for your questions, Marriage to the divorcee of ones so to say adoptes child is not bad. Islam does not give room for adoption and Allah commands that all child should bear the fathers name. I am not saying that people should not take care of orphans or other people children but they must not carry the name of the guardian but that of their father. The reason is because they do not have the same blood.

Trottle:
Stop tryong to distort whatever you have no knowledge of.

Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom. [Qur'an 22:52]



They call this the ‘lapse’ of Muhammad (sa) (nauzubillah). This refutation will explore the sources of the missionary argument and find out if the story holds water.


Sources of the Missionary argument

The missionaries have two major sources:

(1) Ibn Sa'd
(2) Ibn Jarir al-Tabari




It is worthy to note that the alleged story was transmitted from al-Waqidi ( Muhammad Ibn Umar ) to Ibn Sa'd who was a known fabricator of events, Imam Al-Shafi'i who was a comtemporary of al-Waqidi and knew him personally has this to say :

“Al-Waqidi is a liar.”

and also:

“In Madeenah there were seven people who used to forge chains of narration. One of them was al-Waqidi.”

Imam Ibn Hanbal says thus about al-Waqidi:

“Al-Waqidi is a liar”

Imam Bukhari who collectted and compiled the most authentic book of ahadith, Shahih Bukhari said he didn't write a single letter by Al-Waqidi. So the credibility of of the story transmitted by al-Waqidi to Ibn Sa'd is zero. Now we'll turn to al-Tabari:

Al-Tabari mentions the so-called[b] 'Satanic verses'[/b] story in his Tarikh as well as an important set of statements in the introduction of his book, which states:


Let him who examines this book of mine know that I have relied, as regards everything I mention therein which I stipulate to be described by me, solely upon what has been transmitted to me by way of reports which I cite therein and traditions which I ascribe to their narrators, to the exclusion of what may be apprehended by rational argument or deduced by the human mind, except in very few cases. This is because knowledge of the reports of men of the past and of contemporaneous views of men of the present do not reach the one who has not witnessed them nor lived in their times except through the accounts of reporters and the transmission of transmitters, to the exclusion of rational deduction and mental inference. Hence, if I mention in this book a report about some men of the past, which the reader of listener finds objectionable or worthy of censure because he can see no aspect of truth nor any factual substance therein, let him know that this is not to be attributed to us but to those who transmitted it to us and we have merely passed this on as it has been passed on to us.


( Tarikh al-Tabari: Tarikh al-Umam wal-Muluk p. 550.)


So what Al-Tabari is basically saying is that don't blame him if what he records sounds fishy, which makes this story unreal. Another element in why the story is not credible from al-Tabari is because , Karen Armstrong in her book Muahmmad [sa] devotes a whole chapter to this subject. In it she says Al-Tabari:

‘In his history Tabari preserves a tradition which gives a very different version of the story ’ (p.113)

Thus both transmitters of this story are unreliable.

Other Problems with the Story

Other than the reliability of the transmitters there are also many other problems with this story;

It is mentioned in the story that after reciting the so called 'Satanic Verses' verse 52 of Surah al-Hajj were revealed in connection with the story, but in reality Surah al-Hajj was revealed 7 or 8 years later which completeley shreads this story to piecies. It is obvious to any rational person that this story is pure fantasy and furthermore, Ibn Hisham who wrote an exahaustive biography of the prophet (sa) never mentiones this story at all.


References:
* Islamic-Awareness
* Karen Armstrong
* Other Texts
difference between Muhammad and Other prophet

a. A High-Quality Human Being

Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) is a human being, yet he is a very high-quality and eminent human being. This eminence has been recorded by The Supreme Creator and declared to us. When one looks at his life generally, it is seen in the first place that he acted in control by the Supreme Creator’s revelation, that he did not wait any remuneration for his duty, he was sincere to the utmost degree, he invited people to believe in Allah’s existence and oneness and that his aim and goal was immensely clear.

b. Protected

Allah the Glorious protected His Honorable Messenger from sins and made him an untainted and flawless being. He also protected him from all kinds of dangers which could come from people. He saved him and eliminated all kinds of complots resorted by enemies at many dangerous points when he faced death and it was impossible to escape.
He presented a clear example of coexistence in peace and with differences in community which is needed by our modern world and he shared the same city with people of different religions and beliefs.

c. His Prophethood is Universal

Yes, he is the last prophet. His prophethood is not limited to a country or a specific period of time; but his prophethood is a Universal one covering all times and places. Besides, he is the prophet of the jinn, too.
Not only people believing in him but also other people could not hide their admiration of his unsurpassable supreme character and respected this invaluable gift of the sky to the earth. For instance, Michael Hart put him in the first place in his book titled “The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History”. Great German Statesman Bismarck put his admiration of him into words as “O Muhammad (pbuh), I regret of not living in the same time with you!” and in International Law Congress in1927 showed their admiration in him by adding the following statement to the statement of result: “The humankind is proud of Hazrat Muhammad; because although he was illiterate, he developed such a great law system 13 centuries ago that we, the Europeans, would be happy if we could reach its value and truth two thousand years later.”


d His Miracles

The Lord of the Universe is a human being. However, he is a human being with a single finger pointing of whose the Moon divided into two, a human being in the palm of whose the pebbles talked, for whom the trees rooted off and walked towards saying “Salutations to you o the Messenger of Allah!”, a human being who filled up three hundred people with a few handfuls of date, in whose hands a jug of milk became abundant enough to fill lots of people, water flew through his fingers when he sank his fingers into a bowl and three hundred people took ablution with that water, for whom the log – on which he sermonized once upon a time until a pulpit was made for him – cried so loud that everybody heard it, a human being who was saluted by trees and stones on his way, who eased Ali’s pains by touching him and then Ali had never felt any pain again, besides whom the dumb children started to speak all of a sudden and said “You are the Messenger of Allah.” He was a human being, with whose touch the salty waters became mild, and whom even wild animals such as wolves and lions recognized and obeyed…
should I go on??

Rilwayne001:
Shameless old man, why didn't you add this https://www.nairaland.com/2501334/questions-muslims-been-avoiding Are muslims still avoiding it?

Belvine33:
This is exactly why I said you know nothing about the religion. Are all Arabs muslims? You don't have to be an Arabian to understand arabic. Muslims read the holy Qur'an which is written in Arabic but that doesn't make them all arabs.

Rilwayne001:
Smh seriously for your miserable life.

Belvine33:
You are not frustrated, you're obsessed. Let it go! You don't know anything about Islam or the Holy Qur'an. You come here posting fake things you got from the internet claiming you know the Qur'an. Do you read Arabic? If no you've not read the holy Qur'an. Face your religion, people being muslims should not upset you.

Yes Al baghadi who heads isis has a phd in islamic studies and he is also arab meaning he reads the original quoran in it's proper context without translation errors and certainly understand islam far better than the muslim apologists on this forum.

Demmzy15:
Chai! This old cargo, so you're like this truthman2012?!

malvisguy212:
1. God is a spirit (john4:24)
2.God have a son. My question, is it impossible for God to have a son ?
3.any day we chose to worship God , we do it for Him :
Romans 14:6
Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to
the Lord and gives thanks to God.
4.psalm 84:5( NLT)
What joy for those whose strength comes from the LORD, who have set their minds on a PILGRIMAGE TO JERUSALEM.

exco90:
He said open debate... Open open.. Open open open..

theDEVILisHERE:
No it is not
You evolved from somewhere
You have a linage
You have an Ancesstry
Your people before you got to know and commincate to their creator in a certain way
They gave him a name
If you must communcate to your creator you should use that name or you find a way to know and communicate to your creator in your own way and method devoid of an unknown influence
By creator I mean the Being the created you in your present form
I do not mean a creation (image, idol) that you or another human being made with his or her hand

Jagoon:
Allah not only deceives according to the evil quoran he is the best of deceivers equivalent to "the father of liars" who is satan.

Trottle:
Its pointless arguing with you. Now go back and read my posts well. this time slowly. and answer my questions listed above in your next reply.

chiedu7:
GOD & ALLAH ARE NOT THE SAME.

GOD CANNOT LIE

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;


ALLAH IS THE GREATEST LAIR

Surah 3:54
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers


GOD SAID THAT ALLAH IS THE FATHER OF LIES

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

GOD ALSO SAID THAT SATAN DECEIVES THE WORLD

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:


1] NOW WITH ALLAH BEING THE BEST LIAR
2] SATAN BEING THE FATHER OF LIES.
3] SATAN DECEIVING THE WORLD

DO THE MATHS

Trottle:
What I was trying to differentiate is that God in Islam is Different from that of Christianity. Christians refer to Jesus(a.s) as God even though he is human (doesn't that flaws your notion of spirituality?) As humans on earth created in pairs(male and female). even when we die it doesn't change chapter 49:13: "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted". Allah did not state that humans would assume a Uni-Gender after death so individual souls still assumes its original gender while on earth.

The translation by Yusuf Ali

And all things have We preserved on record. (29)

"So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We grant you, except in Punishment." (30)

Verily for the righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the Heart's) desires; (31)

Gardens enclosed, and Grape-vines; (32)

[/b]Companions of equal age[b]; (33)

And a Cup full (to the Brim). (34)

Humans whom were fortunate to make heaven would be granted their heart desires(sex inclusive) . So if you do not believe in 'heavenly beings' having sex then it is due to yr believe and that is your own cup of tea.

theDEVILisHERE:
Your creator is your creator
You should call him by his name
The so called creator name "God" is not indigenous to most you in this part of the world
You should call him by the name your ansectors called him
Call your creator by his name

RomanZeus:
Neither!

Atlantian:
Yahweh surfaced from the waters while Allah surfaced from the desert. Na their business, I am not interested on their Godly business, they should not be interested in mine.

sonmvayina:
Neither of them, they are both sons of the most high..but the God of gods is our father and creator..Enki. every other god bow before him.

robinicule:
i dint bother to read it.

robinicule:
God is God, the language is different!