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frosbel:
Jesus was not born from a virgin birth.

How do you know this?
Can you prove from the bible?
Even muslims you seem to be supporting now believe in the virgin birth of Jesus.

frosbel:
Why are you so obsessed with Islam, go and sort out the massive confusion in YOUR Christianity.

Thanks.

That shows you are no more a part of the body of Christ, it is a pity. I pray that God in His mercy will restore you. Of a truth, I feel like crying. I say again, God will restore you in Jesus name.

malvisguy212:
The Qur’an is based completely on the personal experiences of one illiterate man spanning a period of 23 years.Only one person allegedly saw the
“angel.”Only one person allegedly heard a voice. The entire faith is limited to one book with only one person who allegedly received the vision. There is absolutely no way to verify anything.Our question is, “Does not this then mean that the only way to become a Muslim is to take this one man’s word for it?”

Correct.

And moreso that the messages contradict those of earlier God's prophets. Who sent Muhammad with messages different from those of the true God, Yahweh?

Demmzy15:
Wallahi it pays, sometimes you can't just ignore them because the stupidity is great. Allah is your strength.

Stupidity?

It is YOUR quran that is cited, clearly written in English and approved by muslims worldwide but you have no authentic source(s) to interpret them to refute the OP.

In desperation, one of your brothers said the quran was EDITED and hadiths FABRICATED. And you, you keep talking without any attempt to refute the OP. Smh!

@ plainbibletruth
Good!

lexiconkabir:
refute the op or accept that your religion is baseless!

Which OP?

Already totally refuted. What else do you still want to hear? Read through all my posts here.

Demmzy15:
Na so o, the man is frustrated wallahi, I dey your back anytime.

Your reasoning must be on the low level. You keep shouting ''frustrated'' all the time. If I am frustrated would I be opening so many threads? I am very zealous and excited exposing the FALSEHOOD of islam.

truthman2013:
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All these your crying won't stop anything. I asked parisbookadict the below question since yesterday and none of you is yet to reply. So why are you shouting impersonation? Whats is even your definition of impersonate?



Do you type in 'Red'?

Trash!

parisbookaddict:
Of course u wouldn't dare answer them because u will show that ur prophet was a criminal.

who are u praying for and to?? ur god can't even recognised people without arabic names plus don't forget that moHARMmaD discourages prayers for non muslims

"it is NOT fitting for the prophet and those who believe that they should pray for forgiveness for pagans, even though they be kin(family)...", sura 9 ayah 113.


Tabari IX:69
"He who believes in Allah and His
Messenger has protected his life and possessions
from us.
As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them
forever in
the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter
to us."


Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger
of Allah. And those with him are hard
(ruthless) against the disbelievers and
merciful among themselves"

My sister. you are more knowledgeable in islam than the muslimah. Great!

Rilwayne001

Was Panic-Stricken: "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him." (John, 7:1)

I told you Jesus arrestors fell without him touching them, what reason was there for him to panic?

Sometimes he would pass in their midst and they would not see him, what reason was there for him to panic?

That should be enough to tell you he surrendered himself to fulfill his mission.

"God" Walked in Fear of the Jews: "Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death. Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews." (John, 11:53-54)

He just didn't want to be distracted.

"God" Has Shown a Clean Pair of Heels: "Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand." (John, 10:39

He escaped because he was yet to finish his mission.

"God" Fled in Disguise: "Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." (John, 8:59)

He went through them without anyone seeing him, that is a display of power. He could have done so for his life time if he didn't want to surrender himself.

One of the problems of you muslim is that you lack good understanding of spiritual operations.

Jeromejnr:
Abeg, don't waste your time answering these people.

Even Jesus did not reason out logic to people to try to convert them. Instead He depended on His Father.

My intention is not to convert these hardened muslims, but the innocent ones by showing them the truth. Besides, if everybody is silent, the muslims can deceive Christians who have no true knowledge of islam. Recently, a daughter of a pastor in the Redeemed Christian Church of God was converted to islam and when asked why, she said "but we worship the same God". Is that true? It is not enough to teach our children the bible, it is important to let them know the deception in islam which also claims to come from God.

In one of my threads on this forum, a nairalander who came from both Christian and muslim background said his father, a Christian told him islam is also from God. By the time the truth was explained to him, he came back and said "thank you". If he didn't read that thread, such people could easily convert to islam having been given wrong information. It is better to be a norminal Christian than being a muslim. A norminal Christian is closer to heaven than a muslim because of the opportunity to hear God's words, which can eventual make him born again.



The devil is deceitful and in fact allah said he is a deceiver.

parisbookaddict:
The real truth?? Dude where are u hiding it, show us what u know about islam. So far u have talked tooo much and done nothing, de rien!

Away with u... Create topics, post your own rebuttals let's see what u know.

Allah confirms he is a deceiver, then where is the TRUTH in islam. The whole content of the quran is deception as the giver (allah) is a deceiver.

You see sister, none of them can refute allah being a deceiver, what do we expect his slaves to be.

Rilwayne001 created the fake ''truthman2013 to deceive. Impersonation.

truthman2013:
lol. I was even expecting them to call on seun so as for him to come and ban me till enternity.
They are all scared of the real truth.

Seun is afraid of you islamic terrorists. He cannot afford nairaland burnt down by you guys.

With your action, sensible muslims on this forum must have discovered something is wrong with islam.

truthman2013:
...Yes, I need to change my moniker to whatever I want. My other moniker is devoted to the polics section'. I will only come once in a while to this section. This particular moniker is an acronym of who I really am i.e. truthman. So it is nothing but pure fallacy to think that no one else is permitted to open an account with who he is (truth man). We will all agree wuth ourself that we are truthful, otherwise truthman to the others. Can you imagine that there is a moniker on here that is bearing false.man? search it yourself.

I am who I am, you can't Change that... Iam truthman.

So sire, stop wailing and come back to my thread.

I will go to your thread but not at your command. I have already corrected your wrong belief about Jesus but you deliberately would not listen. I will go when I have some time to waste.

truthman2013:
"Tafsir (Arabic: ,ﺗﻔﺴﻴﺮ translit. : Tafsīr, Meaning:interpretation ) is the Arabic word for exegesis ,
usually of the Qur'an . \An author of tafsir is a mufassir ( Arabic: ﺮﺴﻔُﻣ, mufassir , plural: Arabic: ,ﻣﻔﺴﺮﻭﻥ mufassirūn). A Quranic tafsir will often explain content and provide places and times, not contained in Quranic verses, as well as give the different views and opinions of scholars on the verse. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafsir



What do you mean by "you don't believe"? Did I disgree with the verse?

Where did those who interpret the quran get their information beside the hadiths?

Besides, the link does not debunk the truth that muslims were wicked against non-muslims, it only attempt to state the reason why they are wicked.

The Jews believe in one-God like the muslims, then what is their offence for killing them? Must everyone become a muslim?

Why is much not said about paganism in the quran but devotes about half of its pages attacking the Jews and Christians, the people who were given the scriptures confirmed by allah himself. The same allah recommed the Jews and Christians Scriptures, then why the killing them?

[quote author=bashbabe2 post=36404479][/quote]What is the meaning of your post?

Doesn't Rilwayne001 insult?

Doesn't the quran call the Jews apes?

Muslims are so terrible that even when they see glaring truth they call a lie.

If you are not sincere to yourself you are doing your soul serious harms. Just an advice.

truthman2013:
Save all these trash and lets go back to my thread.

Your thread in which you quoted the bible without knowledge. Smh!

parisbookaddict:
Salam,
Dude u didn't like the monikers, oh no... Put so much effort to make them cool

U can't burst the truth, hence u throw insults like an unruly child.

U just can't handle how the real truthman2012 exposes islam and guides people to the truth about mohammed.

1400 years ago, a man named Mohammed was possessed by the devil to deceive people by concocting the a false book with parts of the bible stories just like u concocted a moniker with parts of the real truthmans name to deceive like your prophet.

Tisk tisk tisk, islam is all about fraud.

Au revoir

Thank you my sister.

Let him tell the LIES I have ever told. Besides, does he need to change his user name to mine before he can burst any lies?

He is just like Muhammad faking anything fakeable. No one can be a muslim and get to God's holy heaven.

malvisguy212:
Truthman2012 is a thorn in muslims flesh, they cannot get him out of here , even dough they succeeded in doing so in their Islamic section, they followed him to this section, who ever is this truthman2013(EzeAuditore) , you are not even ashamed of your self , you learn this from the quran, by God willing we will continue to bring the truth to you guys until its sealed in your hearth.God is inviting everyone of you to his home:

Isaiah1:18
"Come now, let's settle this," says the
LORD. "Though your SINS ARE LIKE SCARLET ,I WILL MAKE THEM AS WHITE AS SNOW. Though they are red like crimson, I will make them as white as wool.

Isaiah 43:25
"I, even I, am he who BLOTS OUT YOUR TRANSGRESSION , for my own sake, and
remembers your sins NO MORE .

Isaiah 43:26
Review the past for me, let us argue the
matter together; STATE THE CASE FOR YOUR INNOCENCE .

Isaiah 44:22
I have SWEPT AWAY YOUR OFFENSES like a cloud, your sins like the morning mist. RETURN TO ME, for I have redeemed you."

The gate of heaven is wide open for any muslims who want to come in , anyone interested??

Good message bro.

I have caught him, it is Rilwayne001. The same person is Rilwon, now truthman2013.

Islam is counterfeit. Muslims are always not ashamed to copy the Christians, yet they condemn us. If we are not the ORIGINAL, why are they copying us? Even the quran copied and twisted the bible.

About 4 days ago, I saw an islamic preacher on television trying to preach like a pastor, the only difference was that instead of calling the name of Jesus, he was saying in the name of allahh. Did allahh tell them to pray in his name? Now some of them have started using altars like the church, instead of sitting down as slaves, which they claim. Not long we will see them taking chairs into the mosques, wanting to behave like sons.

truthman2013:
So why was he running around in the first place

Where?

@Rilwayne001, aka truthman2013 (fake man)]

This is an extract from your link:

Historical Background

The events in connection with which this Surah was sent down began life this: One day the Holy Prophet saw in a dream that he had gone to Makkah with his Companions and had performed the umrah there. Obviously, the Prophet's dream could not be a mere dream and fiction for it is a kind of Divine inspiration as Allah Himself has confirmed in verse 27 below and said that He Himself had shown that dream to His Messenger. Therefore, it was not merely a dream but a Divine inspiration which the Holy Prophet had to obey and follow.

Apparently, there was no possible way of acting on this inspiration. The disbelieving Quraish had debarred the Muslims from proceeding to the Ka'bah for the past six years and no Muslim had been allowed during that period to approach the Kabah for the purpose of performing hajj and umrah. Therefore, it could not be expected that they would allow the Holy Prophet to enter Makkah along with a party of his Companions. If they had proceeded to Makkah in the pilgrim garments with the intention of performing umrah, along with their arms, this would have provoked the enemy to war, and if they had proceeded unarmed, this would have meant endangering his own as well as his Companions' lives. Under conditions such as these nobody could see and suggest how the Divine inspiration could be acted upon.

But the Prophet's position was different. It demanded that he should carry out whatever Command his Lord gave fearlessly and without any apprehension and doubt. Therefore, the Holy Prophet informed his Companions of his dream and began to make preparations for the journey. Among the tribes living in the suburbs also he had the public announcement made that he was proceeding for umrah and the people could join him. Those who could only see the apparent conditions thought that he and his Companions were going into the very jaws of death none of them therefore was inclined to accompany him in the expedition. But those who had true faith in Allah and His Messenger were least bothered about the consequences. For them this information was enough that it was a Divine inspiration and Allah's Prophet had made up his mind to carry it into effect. After this nothing could hinder them from accompanying the Messenger of Allah. Thus, 1,400 of the Companions became ready to follow him on this highly dangerous journey.

This blessed caravan set off from Madinah in the beginning of Dhil Qa'dah, A. H. 6. At Dhul Hulaifah they entered the pilgrims robe with the intention of umrah, took 70 camels with collars round their necks indicating that they were sacrificial animals; kept only a sword each in sheaths, which the pilgrims to the Kabah were allowed to carry according to the recognized custom of Arabia, but no other weapon. Thus, the caravan set out for the Ka'bah, the House of Allah, at Makkah, chanting the prescribed slogan of Labbaik, Allahuma Labbaik.

The nature of the relations between Makkah and Madinah in those days was known too well to every Arab. Just the previous year, in Shawwal A. H. 5, the Quraish mustering the united strength of the Arab tribes had invaded Madinah and the well known Battle of the Trench had taken place. Therefore, when the Holy Prophet along with such a large caravan set off for the home of his blood-thirsty enemy, the whole of Arabia looked up with amazement, and the people also noticed that the caravan was not going with the intention to fight but was proceeding to the House of Allah in a forbidden month in the pilgrims garb carrying sacrificial animals and was absolutely unarmed.

The Quraish were confounded at this bold step taken by the Holy Prophet. Dhil-Qa'dah was one of those forbidden months which had been held as sacred for pilgrimage in Arabia for centuries. Nobody had a right to interfere with a caravan which might be coming for hajj or umrah in the pilgrims garb in this month; so much so that even an enemy tribe could not hinder it from passing through its territory according to the recognized law of the land. The Quraish therefore were caught in a dilemma, for if they attacked this caravan from Madinah and stopped it from entering Makkah, this would arouse a clamor of protest in the whole country, and all the Arab tribes would have the misgiving that the Quraish had monopolized the Ka'bah as exclusively their own, and every tribe would be involved in the mistrust that now it depended on the will of the Quraish to allow or not to allow anyone to perform hajj or umrah in the future and that they would stop any tribe with which they were angry from visiting the Ka'bah just as they had stopped the Madinese pilgrims. This they thought would be a grave mistake, which would cause the entire Arabia to revolt against them. But, on the other hand, if they allowed Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace and blessings) and his large caravan to enter their city safely, they would lose their image of power in Arabia and the people would say that they were afraid of Muhammad. At last, after a great deal of confusion, perplexity and hesitation they were overcome by their false sense of honor and for the sake of their prestige they took the decision that they would at no cost allow the caravan to enter the city of Makkah.

The Holy Prophet had dispatched a man of the Bani Ka'b as a secret agent so that he may keep him fully informed of the intentions and movements of the Quraish. When the Holy Prophet reached Usfan, he brought the news that the Quraish had reached Dhi Tuwa with full preparations and they had sent Khalid bin Walid with two hundred cavalry men in advance towards Kura'al-Ghamim to intercept him. The Quraish wanted somehow to provoke the Holy Prophet's Companions into fighting so that they may tell the Arabs that those people had actually come to fight and had put on the pilgrims garments for umrah only to deceive others.

Immediately on receipt of this information the Holy Prophet changed his route and following a very rugged, rocky track reached Hudaibiyah, which was situated right on the boundary of the sacred Makkan territory. Here, he was visited by Budail bin Warqa the chief of the Bani Khuza'ah, along with some men of his tribe. They asked what he had come for. The Holy Prophet replied that he and his Companions bad come only for pilgrimage to the House of Allah and for going round it in worship and not for war. The men of Khuza'ah went and told this to the Quraish chiefs and counseled them not to interfere with the pilgrims. But the Quraish were obstinate. They sent Hulays bin Alqamah, the chief of the Ahabish, to the Holy Prophet to persuade him to go back. Their object was that when Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace) would not listen to Hulays, he would come back disappointed and then the entire power of the Ahabish would be on their side. But when Hulays went and saw that the whole caravan had put on the pilgrims garments, had brought sacrificial camels with festive collars round their necks, and had come for doing reverence to the House of Allah and not to fight, he returned to Makkah without having any dialogue with the Holy Prophet and told the Quraish chiefs plainly that those people bad no other object but to pay a visit to the Ka'bah; if they debarred them from it, the Ahabish would not join them in that, because they had not become their allies to support them if they violated the sacred customs and traditions.

Then the Quraish sent `Urwah bin Mas'ud Thaqafi; he had lengthy negotiations with the Holy Prophet in an effort to persuade him to give up his intention to enter Makkah. But the Holy Prophet gave him also the same reply that he had given to the chief of the Khuza'ah, that they had not come to fight but to do honor to the House of Allah and carry out a religious duty. Urwah went back and said to the Quraish: "I have been to the courts of the Caesar and Khosroes, and the Negus also, but by God, never have I seen any people so devoted to a king as are the Companions of Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace and blessings) to him. If Muhammad makes his ablutions they would not let the water thereof fall on the ground but would rub it on their bodies and clothes. Now you may decide as to what you should do."

In the meantime when the messages were coming and the negotiations were going on, the Quraish tried again and again to quietly launch sudden attacks on the Muslim camp in order to provoke the Companions and somehow incite them to war, but every time they did so the Companions' forbearance and patience and the Holy Prophet's wisdom and sagacity frustrated their designs. On one occasion forty or fifty of their men came at night and attacked the Muslim camp with stones and arrows. The Companions arrested all of them and took them before the Holy Prophet, but he let them go. On another occasion 80 men came from the direction of Tan'im right at the time of the Fajr Prayer and made a sudden attack. They were also caught, but the Holy Prophet forgave them, too. Thus, the Quraish went on meeting failure after failure in every one of their designs.

At last, the Holy Prophet sent Hadrat Uthman (may Allah be pleased with him) as his own messenger to Makkah with the message that they had not come to fight but only for pilgrimage and had brought their sacrificial camels along, and they would go back after performing the rite of pilgrimage and offering the sacrifice. But the Quraish did not agree and withheld Hadrat Uthman in the city. In the meantime a rumor spread that Hadrat Uthman had been killed; and when he did not return in time the Muslims took the rumor to be true. Now they could show no more forbearance. Entry into Makkah was different for there was no intention to use force. But when the ambassador was put to death, the Muslims had no alternative but to prepare for war. Therefore, the Holy Prophet summoned all his Companions together and took a solemn pledge from them that they would fight to death. In view of the critical occasion it was not an ordinary undertaking. The Muslims numbered only 1400 and had come without any weapons, were encamping at the boundary of Makkah, 250 miles away from their own city, and the enemy could attack them in full strength, and could surround them with its allies from the adjoining tribes as well. In spite of this, none from the caravan except one man failed to give his pledge to fight to death, and there could be no greater proof of their dedication and sincerity than that in the cause of Allah. This pledge is well known in the history of Islam as the pledge of Ridwan.

Later it was known that the news about Hadrat Uthman was false. Not only did he return but under Suhail bin 'Amr from the Quraish also arrived a deputation to negotiate peace with the Holy Prophet. Now, the Quraish no more insisted that they would disallow the Holy Prophet and his Companions to enter Makkah. However, in order to save their face they only insisted that he went back that year but could come the following year to perform the umrah. After lengthy negotiations peace was concluded on the following terms:

War would remain suspended for ten years, and no party would indulge in any hostility, open or secret, against the other.

If any one during that period from among the Quraish went over to Muhammad, without his guardian's permission, he would return him to them, but if a Companion of Muhammad came over to the Quraish, they would not return him to him.

Every Arab tribe would have the option to join either side as its ally and enter the treaty.

Muhammad and his men would go back that year and could come the following year for umrah and stay in Makkah for three days, provided that they brought only one sheathed sword each, and no other weapon of war. In those three days the Makkans would vacate the city for them (so that there was no chance of a clash), but they would not be allowed to take along any Makkan on return.

When the conditions of the treaty were being settled, the whole of the Muslim army was feeling greatly upset. No one understood the expedience because of which the Holy Prophet was accepting the conditions. No one was far sighted enough to foresee the great benefit that was to result from this treaty. The disbelieving Quraish looked at it as their victory, and the Muslims were upset as to why they should be humiliated to accepting those mean conditions. Even a statesman of th caliber of Hadrat Umar says that he had never given way to doubt since the time he had embraced Islam but on this occasion he also could not avoid it. Impatient he went to Hadrat Abu Bakr and said "Is he (the Holy Prophet) not Allah's Messenger, and are we not Muslims, and are they not polytheists? Then, why should we agree to what is humiliating to our Faith?" He replied "O Umar, he is surely Allah's Messenger, and Allah will never make him the loser." Unsatisfied he went to the Holy Prophet himself and put the same questions to him, and he also gave him the same replies as Hadrat Abu Bakr had given. Afterwards Hadrat Umar continued to offer voluntary prayers and give aims so that Allah may pardon his insolence that he had shown towards the Holy Prophet on that occasion.

Two things in the treaty were highly disturbing for the Muslims first, the second condition, about which they said that it was an expressly unfair condition, for if they had to return a fugitive from Makkah, why should not the Quraish return a fugitive from Madinah? To this the Holy Prophet replied: "What use would be he to us, who fled from us to them? May Allah keep him away from us!And if we return the one who flees to us from them, Allah will create some other way out for him." The other thing that was rankling in their minds was the fourth condition. The Muslims thought that agreeing to it meant that they were going back unsuccessful and this was humiliating. Furthermore, the question that was causing them feel upset wad that they had accepted the condition of going back without performing the pilgrimage to the Ka'bah, whereas the Holy Prophet had seen in the vision that they were performing tawaf at Makkah. To this the Holy Prophet replied that in his vision the year had not been specified. According to the treaty conditions, therefore, they would perform the tawaf the following year if it pleased Allah.

Right at the time when the document was being written, Suhail bin 'Amr's own son, Abu Jandal, who had become a Muslim and been imprisoned by the pagans of Makkah somehow escaped to the Holy Prophet's camp. He had fetters on his feet and signs of violence on his body. He implored the Holy Prophet that he help secure his release from imprisonment. The scene only increased the Companions' dejection, and they were moved beyond control. But Suhail bin 'Amr said the conditions of the agreement had been concluded between them although the writing was not yet complete; therefore, the boy should be returned to them. The Holy Prophet admitted his argument and Abu Jandal was returned to his oppressors.

When the document was finished, the Holy Prophet spoke to the Companions and told them to slaughter their sacrificial animals at that very place, shave their heads and put off the pilgrim garments, but no one moved from his place. The Holy Prophet repeated the order thrice but the Companions were so overcome by depression and dejection that they did not comply. During his entire period of apostleship on no occasion had it ever happened that he should command his Companions to do a thing and they should not hasten to comply with it. This caused him a great shock, and he repaired to his tent and expressed his grief before his wife, Hadrat Umm Salamah. She said, "You may quietly go and slaughter your own camel and call the barber and have your head shaved. After that the people would automatically do what you did and would understand that whatever decision had been taken would not be changed." Precisely the same thing happened. The people slaughtered their animals, shaved their heads or cut their hair short and put off the pilgrim garb, but their hearts were still afflicted with grief.

Later, when this caravan was returning to Madinah, feeling depressed and dejected at the truce of Hudaibiyah, this Surah came down at Dajnan (or according to some others, at Kura' al-Ghamim), which told the Muslims that the treaty that they were regarding an their defeat, was indeed a great victory. After it had come down, the Holy Prophet summoned the Muslims together and said: "Today such a thing has been sent down to me, which is more valuable to me than the world and what it contains." Then be recited this Surah, especially to Hadrat Umar, for he was the one who was feeling most dejected.

Although the believers were satisfied when they heard this Divine Revelation, not much longer afterwards the advantages of this treaty began to appear one after the other until every one became fully convinced that this peace treaty indeed was a great victory:

In it for the first time the existence of the Islamic State in Arabia was duly recognized. Before this in the eyes of the Arabs the position of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace) and his Companions was no more than of mere rebels against the Quraish and other Arab tribes, and they regarded them as the outlaws. Now the Quraish themselves by concluding this agreement with the Holy Prophet recognized his sovereignty over the territories of the Islamic State and opened the way for the Arab tribes to enter treaties of alliance with either of the political powers they liked.

By admitting the right of pilgrimage to the House of Allah for the Muslims, the Quraish also admitted that Islam was not an anti-religious creed, as they had so far been thinking, but it was one of the admitted religions of Arabia, and like the other Arabs, its followers also had the right to perform the rites of hajj and umrah. This diminished the hatred in the Arabs hearts that had been caused by the propaganda made by the Quraish against Islam.

The signing of a no-war pact for ten years provided full peace to the Muslims, and spreading to every nook and corner of Arabia they preached Islam with such spirit and speed that within two years after Hudaibiyah the number of the people who embraced Islam far exceeded those who bad embraced it during the past 19 year or so. It was all due to this treaty that two years later when in consequence of the Quraish's violating the treaty the Holy Prophet invaded Makkah, he was accompanied by an army 10,000 strong, whereas on the occasion of Hudaibiyah only 1,400 men had joined him in the march.

Tell me what authority backs up these stories? If I present any story for you about Christianity, wouldn't you ask for evidence?

So in islam, anybody can just cook up a story for muslims' consumption provided it favours the religion. Serious.

I cited the quran for you, you don't believe it but you can believe an islamic clergy even without any islamic authoritative backing - the hadiths, which are said to be the words and deed of Muhammad.

Therefore, your explanations do not hold water at all.

truthman2013:
...sir, are you reading the bible upside down? the bible here with me says a different thing Mat 8:6 "Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering."

Open your eyes sir.

Sorry, it is John 18:6

truthman2012:
Yes.

At what point of his arrest did the Disciples desert him? They were there at that point in time and that was why Peter could cut off somebody's ear.

@Rilwayne001

But you saw Matthew.

truthman2013:
...sir, who is the writer of the above? Was he an eye witness to all that he wrote?

Yes.

At what point of his arrest did the Disciples desert him? They were there at that point in time and that was why Peter could cut off somebody's ear.

truthman2013:
THE CAPTURE OF "GOD"

A Friend Betrayed the Secret Hiding Place of "God": "And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus off-times resorted thither with his disciples. Judas then, having received a band of man and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons." (John, 18:2-3)

"God" Was Arrested, Bound and Led Away: "Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him, and led him away." (John, 18:12-13)

"God" Was Humiliated: "And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him. And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face." (Luke, 22:63-64). "Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands." (Matthew, 26:67)

"God" Was Defenseless: "One of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand", he said: "Why smitest thou me?" (John, 18:22-23) "God" Was Condemned to Death: "And they all condemned him to be guilty of death." (Mark, 14:64). "They answered and said, he is guilty of death." (Matthew, 26:66)

The Dumb and Docile "God": "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth." (Acts, 8:32)

Jesus had the power to save himself but didn't to fulfil his mission.

Matthew 26:51–54
51 And suddenly, one of
those who were with Jesus
stretched out his hand and
drew his sword, struck the
servant of the high priest, and
cut off his ear.
52 But Jesus said to him,
“Put your sword in its place,
for all who take the sword will
perish by the sword.
53 Or do
you think that I cannot now
pray to My Father, and He will
provide Me with more than
twelve legions of angels?
54 How then could the
Scriptures be fulfilled, that it
must happen thus?”

Your quran confirms Jesus had the power for miracles.

In fact, when he said ''here I am'' his arrestors fell without a touch. John 18:6-7: When Jesus said, “I am he,”
they drew back and fell to the
ground. Again he asked them ,
“Who is it you want?

That shows he surrendered himself.

Demmzy15:


Frustrated old man, can you 'stfu'?!

You always have nothing reasonable to say. What point did you make in that post? So you always do.

truthman2013:
..the intended interpretation is this - The companions (of the Prophet) are hard against the disbelievers: they are not such that the disbelievers may mold them as they like. they can neither be cowed nor purchased by any inducement. the disbelievers have no power to turn them away from the great objective for the sake of which they have joined and followed the Prophet (saw) even at the cost of their lives. that is, whatever their hardness and severity, it is only for the disbelievers, not for the believers. As regards the believers they are soft, merciful, affectionate, sympathetic and compassionate. their unity of aim and object has produced in them love and harmony and complete accord among themselves.
nuff saiid.

Lies!!

This your interpretation sounds so watery. What is your source or you just formulated something?

Now, look at that HARSHNESS OR WICKEDNESS from the quranic perspective:

[Quran 8:12] When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then SMITE their NECKS and SMITE of them each FINGER.

To to us a child is born, to
us a son is given, and the
government will be on his
shoulders. And he will be
called Wonderful Counselor,
MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting
Father, Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6).

This was a prophecy hundreds of years before Jesus came and nobody disputed this before Muhammad was born many years later.

Prophets after prophets came with none of them disputing it except Muhammad, showing his prophethood was not from the God of bible prophets.

truthman2013:
..i am not fake. I am who i am, i am truthful to myself. therefore, i am 'truthman'. stop calling me fake.

Rilwayne001 in disguise.

truthman2013:
...be patient, I haven't finish yet.

Muslims are carnal and cannot understand the things of the Spirit. It is a pity.

Jesus was not an ordinary man like Muhammad.

And she (Mary)
who guarded her
VIRGINITY, so We breathed
into her of OUR SPIRIT
(roohina) and appointed
her and her son to be a
sign unto all beings. (Quran
21:91).

Did Muhammad have that qualification, fake truthman2013?

Muhammad was from idolaterous family and continued idol worship in the name of allahh.

Muhammad was sleeping with anything in skirt, I doubt if he didn't sleep with his daughter, Fatimah.

Jeromejnr:
Loool!

Na wa o

Muslims are up to anything in faking and lying. It is satan that is known to be a liar and when muslims fake and lie, it shows who their god is.