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BrownCookie:
This thread will create room for enough insult & disagreement.

No be Nairaland again?

Leave them sister, let them say. Am used to their insults.

Trottle:
A reasonble person would believe in the Quran if he or she has carefull studied it without a biased mindset.

With your unbiased mindset and a careful study of the quran, can you provide answers to the questions in the OP?

Atlantian:
I suggest we schedule a wrestling match between both of them, who ever wins becomes God.

How do you do that?

Yahweh had been God and is God before allah surfaced.

Yahweh Vs Allah: Who Is the true God?

There is no doubt that Yahweh is not Allah. Their words and laws are not the same and not worshiped the same way. They do not live in the same place.
Yahweh had been having relationship with man since creation. The Bible, Old and New Testament talk of Him. He is the true God believed by the Jews and Christians. Various prophets delivered his messages to the people. Their messages are consistent and confirmation of one another.

Allah on the other hand revealed himself in Arabia, long after Jesus had come and gone. His sole prophet was known to be Muhammad. Before Muhammad, allah was not known except as one of the 360 idols in Mecca. The Meccans believed allah is the chief god among the idols. Every family in Mecca at that time had a particular idol belonging to them. The idol of the Quarish, Muhammad’s tribe was allah the chief god of the 360 idols. So when Muhammad came to proclaim allah, nobody asked who he (allah) was because they knew him to be Muhammad’s family idol. Muhammad father’s name was Abdullai (Abduallah), meaning servant of allah. This name was given to Muhammad’s father by his grandfather, Mutaleb, a re-known idol worshiper. This shows allah was the idol they worshiped in Muhammad’s family before islam, hence the name Abdullai which means servant (slave) of allah.

There arose a war between Muhammad and other idol owners when Muhammad proclaimed allah as the only God and that all should worship him alone (Oneness of God) following his contact with an ‘angel’ Gabriel. The pagans seemed to be saying to Muhammad: “worship your allah and let us worship our own god, afterall that is what we have been doing before” but he said no. Muhammad did not enjoy the support of the Jews and Christians of that time either because his revelations are contrary to the existing Scriptures. When the going was tough for him and his fighters, allah declared himself as not the God of the Jews and Christians, Yahweh and he ordered their murder: [Quran 9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scriptureas believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. The fight was against the people who have been given the Scripture (Jews and Christians), not against the pagans who broke the treaty as some Islamic apologists are trying to make us believe.

ALLAH DECLARED HE IS NOT YAHWEH

[Quran 109:1-6] Say: O disbelievers! (The Jews and Christians he ordered for their killing, who disbelieved in allah).

I worship not that which ye worship;

Nor worship ye that which I worship.

And I shall not worship that which ye worship.

Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

In the quranic statements above, allah declared himself as different from Yahweh the Jews and Christians worship, showing truly is the idol in Muhammad’s family who wanted to overthrow Yahweh, the God of the Jews and Christians.

Although Muhammad family’s idol (allahh) was turned to be the true god by ‘angel’ Gabriel, the new true god (one-god) is still being worshiped as they worshiped him when he was the chief god of the idols:
[Quran 2:158 Pickthal] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them(AS THE PAGAN CUSTOM IS). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware.

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin
Malik: "Did you use to dislike to
perform Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was
of the ceremonies of the days of
the Pre-lslamic period of
ignorance, till Allah revealed:
'Verily! (The two mountains) As-
Safa and Al-Marwa are among the
symbols of Allah. It is therefore no
sin for him who performs the
pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or
performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf
between them.' " (2.158)
[Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710]

''Tawaf'' was the ceremony of the days of IGNORANCE done by pagans before the advent of islam. Why do muslims continue with it even with the KNOWLEDGE of islam?
Narrated 'Urwa: I asked
'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine
inspiration was revealed
concerning the Ansar who used to
assume “Ihram” for worshipping
an idol called “Manat” which they
used to worship at a place called
Al-Mushallal before they embraced
Islam, and whoever assumed
Ihram (for the idol), would
consider it not right to perform
Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
[Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706]

''Ihram'' was the way pagans worship Manat, an idol in Mecca before Islam, Now it is part of islamic worship.

There was a change in allah’s status but no change in the worship system.

With the above narration, is it not clear who allah is?

Trottle:
Anything related to Islam always gives this "truthman" of a guy a hardon

I'm always uncomfortable seeing people believing clear LIES in the quran. Look at the OP now, how can a reasonable person believe the quran?

Jagoon:
You are looking for someone to kill for allah abi Your allah has already confessed in your quoran that he is a pathological liar what's there for me to prove again Evil slave of allah

What does he want to say in the open debate that cannot be posted here? Looking for somebody to kill to receive al-liar reward.

Bakrabas:
@op qur'an is nt lyk bible i dnt nid 2 read ur fallacies but lemme just rubbish ur topic wit this vers qur'an 4:82 "do they not consider the qur'an with care,had it been from other than Allah,surely they would have found therein contradictions" Allahu Akbar!!! the word qur'an was found in the qur'an.how many time did the word bible appear in the bible.al-qur'an:no version,no contradiction,no edition,no interpolation,no addition,no subtraction...haba u people should be reasoning now

You are not honest to yourself. If the above are not contradictions, explain to us now.

That al-liar (allahh) said there is no contradiction in the quran shows he was lying as he lied here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2507051/muhammad-vs-other-prophets

exco90:
Hope u haven't started dancing.. And please don't deviate from the topic wen they start refuting u. Its minor issue to them.. I mean the NL muslim E-apologist



NOTE: am not sure they are gonna answer u.. If it was a recycled topic

Altaqqiyah!!!

If it is a recyled topic, let them give the link and show what they refuted there.

But my friend, why are you referring rebutalls to others, what of you?

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Good morning muslims.
I pray Jesus will touch you today.

exco90:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... Please don't cry ooooo. I think nairaland religion section will be very very much peaceful.. If an act like dis keeps reoccuring.. As in an act of silence is the best answer for a fool.

Are you silent?

Count how many posts you have made on this OP so far. If I were you I will actually keep silent for having no refutal.

Stop deceiving yourself.

Good night muslims.

As you sleep tonight, pray that Jesus whose name is TRUTH (John 14:6) visits you in your dream to save you.

Happy night rest.

Demmzy15:
A delusional Christian, you so dull you can believe anything

Are you surprised?

Didn't al-liar (allahh) tell you that all muslims will be inside hell before some will be removed if they do good?

[Quran 3:185 Pickthal] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. WHOSO IS REMOVED FROM THE FIRE and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion.

exco90:
Mheeen.. Its going to pain OP to the marrow.. For them not even making a single comment on ur topic. Eeeeeya sowie. The number u have dail is not available please try again later

It gives me joy when I discover the LIES in the quran, which nobody can refute. But can the true God lie? Never. Since he lies here, it shows the revelations given to Muhammad is FALSEHOOLD.

This thread being activated thrice daily is not for rebutall because their is none but to let people who have not read see it, maybe God will use it to open their eyes.

Did you see this as well: https://www.nairaland.com/2511448/contradictions-quran

More are on the way.

true2god:
Lol. Mohammed's allahh called him 'best of mankind'. Nothing person nogo hear for this world. If a man (of 54) slept with a girl of 9 in europe, america or even nigeria, such a man will be cooling of in prison for a crime of pedophiliaa, but the 'best of mankind' slept with a 9yr old girl and his mumu followers are frantically searching the bible to justify the evil of mohammed (the muslims' best of mankind).

The 'best of mankind' urged muslims to kill whoever does not accept allahh and mohammed (quran 9:29), urged muslims not to take christians and jews as friends (quran 5:51), and asked muslims to collect jizya from christians and jews and humiliate them (quran 9:29b).

The 'best of mankind' called Jews descendants of 'ape and pig' (in the quran) while he described black people as 'RAISIN HEAD' (in the hadith). The islamic best of mankind is also entitled to 20% of his war booties while the sahabas distribute the rest among themselves (a bloody set of war criminals)

May God punish mohammed, muslims' best of mankind, for all his atrocities againt humanity. Anyone that take an armed robber, a pedophille and a hate-monger as a prophet need get his head examined.

Islam was formed by some set of arab criminals and warriors.

Muhammad is already being punished. Several people including a korean pastor saw him in hell. If his followers do not repent they will find themselves in his position.

Good afternoon muslims.

Rilwayne001:
I dare you to go back to that thread and point out the lies in that post https://www.nairaland.com/2501334/questions-muslims-been-avoiding/2#36682803. You can only fool your other foolish children of Yhwh as described in Jeremiah 4:22

Trash!!!

It is often said by Christianity critics that the bible is full of contradictions. The bible is the word of God but with statements and comments by various kings and prophets. These human comments or statements are where the critics found their socalled contradictions. They have not been able to point out any error when the prophets say ''Thus saith the Lord''.

The quran is said to be the words or revelations of islamic allah received by a sole prophet, Muhammad. Allah boasted there cannot be discripancies or contradictions in his words (Quran 4:82), but a thorough study of the quran reveals the contrary. For this boast the whole quran is nullified by a single contradiction.

How many trumpets will be blown on Qiyamah?

Two

On the day when the first
Trumpet resoundeth
And the second followeth it,
Qur'an 79:6-7

One only

And when the trumpet shall
sound one blast, Qur'an 69:13

For whom is salvation?

For all pious theists

Those who believe (in the
Qur'an), those who follow the
Jewish (scriptures), and the
Sabians and the Christians, - any
who believe in Allah and the
Last Day, and work
righteousness,- on them shall
be no fear, nor shall they
grieve.
Qur'an 5:69

For all pious theists

Verily! Those who believe and
those who are Jews and
Christians, and Sabians ,
whoever believes in Allah and
the Last Day and do righteous
good deeds shall have their
reward with their Lord, on
them shall be no fear, nor shall
they grieve.
Qur'an 2:62

For Muslims only

If anyone desires a religion
other than Islam (submission to
Allah), never will it be accepted
of him; and in the Hereafter He
will be in the ranks of those
who have lost (All spiritual
good).
Qur'an 3:85

For Muslims only

Truly, the religion with Allah is
Islam. Those who were given
the Scripture (Jews and
Christians) did not differ except,
out of mutual jealousy, after
knowledge had come to them.
And whoever disbelieves in the
Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses,
signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah,
then surely, Allah is Swift in
calling to account..
Qur'an 3:19

Where do disbelievers
receive their record book onJudgment day?

Behind their back

But he who is given his Record
behind his back
Qur'an 84:10

On the left hand

And he that will be given his
Record in his left hand, will say:
"Ah! Would that my Record had
not been given to me!
Qur'an 69:25

Can you marry non-Muslims?

No

Do not marry unbelieving
women, until they
believe: A slave woman who
believes is better than an
unbelieving woman, even
though she allures you. Nor
marry (your girls) to
unbelievers until they believe: A
man slave who believes is
better than an unbeliever, even
though he allures you.
Unbelievers do (but) beckon
you to the Fire. But Allah
beckons by His Grace to the
Garden (of bliss) and
forgiveness, and makes His
Signs clear to mankind: That
they may celebrate His praise.
Qur'an 2:221

Yes

This day are (all) good things
made lawful for you. The food
of those who have received the
Scripture is lawful for you, and
your food is lawful for them.
And so are the virtuous women
of the believers and the
virtuous women of those who
received the Scripture before
you (lawful for you) when ye
give them their marriage
portions and live with them in
honour, not in fornication, nor
taking them as secret
concubines. Whoso denieth the
faith, his work is vain and he
will be among the losers in the
Hereafter.
Qur'an 5:5

Will Allah reward the good
deeds of non-Muslims?

No

It is not for such as join gods
with Allah, to visit or maintain
the mosques of Allah while they
witness against their own souls
to infidelity. The works of such
bear no fruit: In Fire shall they
dwell.
Qur'an 9:17

Yes, for all pious theists

Lo! Those who believe (in that
which is revealed unto thee
Muhammad) and those who are
Jews and Christians and
Sabaens – whosoever believeth
in Allah and the Last Day and
doeth right – surely their
reward is with their Lord and
there shall no fear come upon
them neither shall they grieve.
Qur’an 2:62

Yes, for all pious theists

Those who believe (in the
Qur'an), those who follow the
Jewish (scriptures), and the
Sabians and the Christians,- ANY WHO BELIEVE
in Allah and the
Last Day, and work
righteousness,- on them shall
be no fear, nor shall they
grieve.
Qur'an 5:69

How to treat those who do
not believe in an afterlife

Be kind

Tell those who believe, to
forgive those who do not look
forward to the Days of Allah: It
is for Him to recompense (for
good or ill) each People
according to what they have
earned.
Qur'an 45:14

Be kind

The worshipers of the Most
Gracious are those who tread
the earth gently, and when the
ignorant speak to them, they
only utter peace
Qur'an 25:63

Attack them

Fight those who believe not in
Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been
forbidden by Allah and His
Messenger, nor acknowledge
the religion of Truth, (EVEN IF THEY ARE ) OF THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK, until they pay the Jizya
with willing submission, and
feel themselves subdued.
Qur'an 9:29

For whom was the revelation sent?

Arabs

Had We sent this as a Qur'an
(in the language) other than
Arabic, they would have said:
"Why are not its verses
explained in detail? What! (a
Book) not in Arabic and (a
Messenger an Arab?" (Qur'an 41:44).

All mankind

O mankind! Now hath a proof
from your Lord come unto you,
and We have sent down unto
you a clear light;
(Qur'an 4:174)

Illiterate people

He it is Who hath sent among
the unlettered ones a
messenger of their own, to
recite unto them His revelations
and to make them grow, and to
teach them the Scripture and
Wisdom enough herefore they
were indeed in error manifest
(Qur'an 62:2).

Do Muslims and non-
Muslim theists worship the same god?

No

Nor will ye worship that which I
worship.
Qur'an 109:3

Yes

And dispute ye not with the
People of the Book, except with
means better (than mere
disputation), unless it be with
those of them who inflict wrong
(and injury): but say, "We
believe in the revelation which
has come down to us and in
that which came down to you;
OUR Allah and YOUR Allah is one;
and it is to Him we bow (in
Islam)."
(Qur'an 29:46).

Who sends disbelievers
astray?

Allah

Of them there are some who
(pretend to) listen to thee; but
We have thrown veils on their
hearts, So they understand it
not, and deafness in their ears;
if they saw every one of the
signs, not they will believe in
them; in so much that when
they come to thee, they (but)
dispute with thee; the
Unbelievers say: "These are
nothing but tales of the
ancients."
Qur'an 6:25

Allah

Allah leaves stray whom He
wills and guides whom He wills
Qur'an 35:8

Allah

No soul can believe except by
the will of Allah
Qur'an 10:100

Satan

(Iblis) said: "O my Lord!
because Thou hast put me in
the wrong, I will make (wrong)
fair-seeming to them on the
earth, and I will put them all in
the wrong
Qur'an 15:39

Satan

Who whispereth in the hearts
of mankind
Qur'an 114:5

Satan

I will mislead them, and I will
create in them false desires....
(Qur'an 4:119).

Themselves

Hath not the story reached
them of those before them?-
the People of Noah, and 'Ad,
and Thamud; the People of
Abraham, the men of Midian,
and the cities overthrown. To
them came their messengers
with clear signs. It is not Allah
Who wrongs them, but they
wrong their own souls. (Qur'an9:70).

Themselves

It was not Allah who wronged
them, but they wronged their
own souls
Qur'an 30:9

Themselves

It is they who have lost their
own souls, that they will not
believe.
(Qur'an 6:12).

Let me stop here for now.

plainbibletruth:
Lying is these guys' nature. 

They quote unsubstantiated writings. 

They want their assumptions to be regarded as truth. 

They create 'standards' as the need arises so as to justify their position or their 'prophet's misdeeds. 

They then pat themselves on the back for writing long posts, for misquoting the Bible they can NEVER understand and for using lopsided logic.

These jihadists are a very terrible set of people. They are worse than herbalists.

They believe so much in telling lies like their god, al-liar (allahh). They tell lies without any shame. The irony of it is that they are the ones who would first call you a liar, without being able to point out the lies.

When you cite their quran, they shout 'out of context' whereas the quran itself has no 'context'. They will then quote the saying of any islamic clergy who just formulated the context without any islamic documents.

There is one of them, fake truthman2013 also known as Rilwayne01, he is so clever in lying using any quranic verse to mean what he wants. Can you imagine him interpreting Christians mentioned by quran to mean muslims? It is a very serious case. And to him and his cohorts he has given good refutal. Self deceivers or should I say ''deceived to deceive''. In his attempt to deceive nairalanders, he changed his moniker to look like mine to confuse readers. Satanic wisdom.

Now, because there is no lie to tell and they can not hide under ''context'' they all ran away from the attack by the truth in a thread ''Muhammad Vs Other Prophets''. That thread that exposes the lies of alliar (allahh) will continue to hunt them till they desist from the god that has perfected a religion for them to send them to hell. They will continue seeing the thread on daily basis.

This god (al-liar) told them in no ambigous term that he is sending them to hell but because they have been hypnotised and manipulated, it doesn't matter to them. May God deliver them.

abduljabbar4:
Joseph who was 90 years old married a 12 year old mary and im yet to hear any of you hypocrites criticising

Stop lying.

This is type of lies allahh told here:
https://www.nairaland.com/2507051/muhammad-vs-other-prophets

adullam210:
new discovery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where did you get their ages?

Don't mind them. They think they can just formulate lies on the bible as they do on the quran.

exco90:
Am very very happy that the muslims aren't saying anything.. That's the best thing to do.. I will recommend they stop answering u guys stupidity. They should please follow this wise saying of the elders.. Silence is the best answer for a fool. Muslim should please say no to recycling topics

Dodging.

hah!!! hah!! hah!!! I laugh at your lame excuse.

But they have been speaking and are still speaking when they think they have a point.

What is bad in answering simple and direct questions on islam?

Good morning muslims.

Now that you have discovered the TRUTH about allahh and islam, which nobody could dispute, what is your decision now?

Come to Jesus before it is too late.

malvisguy212:
and you to. Where are the muslims? Are they sleeping ?

I don't think they are sleeping, it is just that they have no rebuttal. There is no way they can refute those glaring lies told by allahh.

But if I were a muslim, I would have reconsidered my belief. Since allahh is caught lying as stated in this OP, it shows everything he said in the quran is a lie, especially about the Sonship of Jesus, the fictitious al-jannah full of virgins and the Christians etc.

Why is he lying? It is to deceive humanity. Satan pretended as God who sent the bible prophets to deceive humanity. Thank God for the Holy Spirit that is exposing him.

Scholar8200:
Mary was sure older than 12 years then!!! There is not a hint of those ages in the Bible so where did you get them from?!
1. She was cousin (not niece) to an Old woman:Elizabeth.(described as being well-stricken in years Luke 1:7). Hence, it's impossible that she was 12.
2. The angel said to Mary, blessed art thou among women (Luke 1:28) A twelve year-old is still a girl!
3. She already had her own apartment Luke 1:56 else it would have read ,"her father's house".
4. Twelve year olds were still fully subject to their parents authority and care eg Jesus was 12 when Mary and Joseph missed Him after the feast (Luke 2:42) and afterwards, He went with them and was subject to His earthly parents (Luke 2:51)

I am yet to find ANY man in the Bible that got married to one of such a young age! Abraham and Sarah attained ripe old age at the same time meaning the gap between their ages was moderate; likewise Zechariah and Elizabeth, Isaac and Rebecca, David and Abigail, Jacob and Leah/Rachel etc

You have flushed out the jihadit's error. Great.

malvisguy212:
Nice one op.

Thank you bro.
God bless you.

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Jagoon:
PURE DESCRIPTION OF ISLAM: I.S.L.A.M. = I Serve Lucifer And Mohammad I.S.L.A.M = I Steal(copy of Bible Only Twisted), Lie And Murder I.S.L.A.M = International Society of Liars and Murderers PS. You can marry 1 year old babies in islam.

This is serious o!
No wonder islam (i serve lucifer and muhammad) is so evil.

true2god:
@ truthman2012, dont engage Nadheer15 on a childish rant: he must be ashamed of his prophet mohammed.

Thank you bro.

People like him deserve to be ignored.

When muslims don't have anything to defend their religion, they resort to abuses.

Nadheer15:
I know you're an old man and so, your brain is diminishing everyday. A time will come, when you just be pouring out spit and saliva out of ya mouth like a re'tard.

Trash!

Nadheer15:
Abi I lie ni? Oya let's talk, do you have sense?!

Your self aclaimed sense is so small that you could not reply my post. You have nothing to contribute.

I can't trade abuses with you. My fight is against the principalities of islam, Al-liar and his cohorts i.e islamic demons.

Nadheer15:
Sorry to say, you have no sense.

Look at a person who accused me of abusing. Hypocrite!