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abduljabbar4:
In one of Prophet Muhammads Hadith. He instructed those presentsent to convey his message to those who were absent(those who were yet exist then). How did you get to know about christianity? Through your friends and family but without their forefathers, you wouldnt have known. I hope you understand what i mean. You read without knowing the real interpretation of such verses and then come here to spew trash

Let's see the hadith and how it interprets the quran to all generations. I know it is a lie as a single hadith cannot explain the whole quran.

The quran is translated in English, how can you say it has other meaning different from the translation? Are you saying the translators are not good in Arabic? Why did the islamic world accept their translations?

When muslims are caught napping, their usual defence is: that is not the meaning. Why do you have hidden meaning to quranic verses?

My friend, it will be better for you to stop deceiving yourself.

Perfection is the standard of God.

But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect (Mat. 5:48).

Demmzy15:
I can argue the camel urine issue with you, but promise me you won't run if I start?! By the way, you could do yourself some good by refuting my posts rather than spilling garbage

What post?

All you said in that post is a trash as usual. Is the quran in CLEAR ARABIC? No.

[Quran 3:7] He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. BUT NONE KNOWS ITS INTERPRETATION EXCEPT ALLAH, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

If it is so clear, why does it contain HIDDEN MEANINGS?

Why is the real meaning hidden from you if not to deceive you?

abduljabbar4:
Thats what you resort to when you dont have something to say. Typing nonsense and being confident with it

Can you point out the nonsense in that post?

Why should you leave your fate in the hands of imans who cannot hear from allahh for the interpretations?

Where did they get their own interpretations? Were they there when Muhammad said he received quranic revelations?

mustymatic:
Yes the Quran is correct, it's just that you don't understand what it means.

And We sent not (as Our Messengers) before you (O Muhammad SAW) any but men, (Jesus included) whom We inspired, (to preach and invite mankind to believe in the Oneness of Allah). So ask of those who know the Scripture [learned men of the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], if you know not. Clearly, this ain't talking about you as you don't believe in oneness of Allah, you don't believe in Muhammad sef
Now answer the OP

Where did you see ''Oneness of allah'' in that verse? Stop lying!!! Don't you have conscience?


You guys will keep changing the wordings of the quran till the interpretation will no more tally with the arabic text.

abduljabbar4:
And truthman2013 interpreted everything Why didnt you read it? I wonder why he wasted his time trying to explain that to you when you arent ready to accept the truth

I have debunked the fake truthman2013 defence with the quranic verses I cited. Quran is never stable, all the socalled revelations have their reversals. Peace today, kill tomorrow.

We need God's grace to live above sin because:


...Shall we go on sinning so that grace
may increase? By no means! We
are those who have died to sin;
how can we live in it any longer?(Rom. 6:1-2).


If we deliberately keep on
sinning after we have received the
knowledge of the truth, no
sacrifice for sins is left, but
only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that
will consume the enemies of God (Hebrews 10:26-27).

babs787:
@lisbet

I will answer you questions one after the other.

1. I'm a Christian but i want to as muslims why do muslims in some countries believe that killing people with bombs is good and why do this people believe they are going to meet their creator after commiting this acts?.

No muslim supports terrorism. Islam is different from Terrorism. That is part of the sign of the last day.

2. If a Muslims converts to be a Christian he or she can be called his Muslim name even in a church gathering but if a Christian converts to a Muslim He has to change his or her Christian name?

Christian name is different from Islamic name. For example you know that John is an English name and cannot be used in place of Islamic name. Once you are a muslim, you have to bear Islamic name because on the day of Judgement, its this name that will be used to call you. That is the more reason it is being said that, the moment you give birth, you must give him/her a name before the normal ceremony.

3. From what i watched in a Muslim movie Muhammad was a warrior but our Jesus preached only about peace and love never once did he hurt anyone.?

He was, he fought defensively to repel aggression. We also have the likes in the bible.

4 When Christians Fast we don't advertise that we are fasting its between us and God, Jesus even said when we fast we should look good so people will not know.but when muslims go for fasting they all tell people they are fasting.?

My sister, christians fast is not compulsory. The reason for saying this is that, you will hear some telling you that fasting was meant for jesus alone and that there is no where it refers to them. Also you will see some, fasting for some hours, eg. half a day or whatever. But when it comes to fasting in Islam, its not muslims that advertise it but the month advertises itself. Muslims have their own calendars in which they will know when the month is around. What you see as advertising is the siting of the moon in which they will anounce that whoever sights the moon should call particular place and number in order to arrive at conformity. A fasting muslim does not go about telling people that he/she is fasting unless is he/she is being pushed to the wall. Muslims are even allowed to bath or wash their faces anytime they feel like so that they wont appear as people fasting. There is no show off when it comes to Ramadhan.

5. As a Christian we can pray anywhere and anytime , and no special thing u have to do to be able to pray to God as much as u like, u can close yr eyes, or not, u can stand or kneel etc. But for Muslims it very different?

This is a very good question. In Islam, there is concordance as to the way of reaching out to Allah. Allah in His Holy Book told us that the only way we can pray to him is through the Solat etc. If muslims are allowed to pray as they like, there will never be unity and lack of unity will create a lot of confusion. We observe the same mode of worship in order to eliminate confusion. Muslims can supplicate wherever they are and in any position too.

Hope I have answered you?

Peace

The following islamic sources do not show muslims are fighting in self-defence or reacting to attacks by unbelievers. They are purely to convert people to islam by COMPULSION.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those WHO REJECT FAITH , I will punish them with terrible agony IN THIS WORLD and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast TERROR into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". SOURCE OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM.

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Qur'an (9:29) - " Fight those who
believe not in Allah nor the Last
Day, nor hold that forbidden
which hath been forbidden by
Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of
Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay
the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued." IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND FORBID WHAT MUSLIMS FORBID, YOU ARE TO BE KILLED.

Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking
a religion other than Allah's,
when every soul in the heavens
and the earth has sub mitted to
Him, WILLINGLY or by
COMPULSION?"

Sahih Muslim (1:33) The
Messenger of Allah said: "I have
been commanded to fight against
people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, that
Muhammad is the messenger of
Allah, and they establish prayer
and pay zakat."

marxydans:
even if it is harsh check for the reason why the verse is revealed.u don't read Quran like that there are reasons for every revelation.the way u are just picking verses is not done that way.its not a story book u can just read and interprete u need knowledgable imams.the main reason u are having different version of bible is becoz every one reads and feel he understand it his own way so he can published his copy.A holy book have to qualities of being holy.even though the real bible has been corrupted it shouldn't be changing the way it it.its absurd.u r just showing ur ignorance by just picking on one verse.if u need to understand fully contact me

What a book? You cannot read and understand unless an imam tells a lie to interpret it.

From what book do imams get their interpretations?

Who says quran is not a story book? It is an incomplete story book:

Quran 4:164 YusuAli] Of some messengers We have already told thee the STORY; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct;-

[quote author= faketruthman2013 post=36491484] ...well, in judaism, he is believed to be a prophet of yhwh. Therefore your opinion doesn't count.

Btw, did Joshua acted on his own? was he not following the command of yhwh? [/quote]Joshua was NOT said to be a prophet.

He led the nation of Israel in war. It was a war between nations and not religious groups to force them to accept Judaism.

The story is descriptive and not prescriptive i.e it was not prescribed for anybody to continue. For muslims, war is a prescription as long as islam exists.

Quran (2:216) - " Fighting is
PRISCRIBED for you , and ye
dislike it. But it is possible that
ye dislike a thing which is good
for you, and that ye love a thing
which is bad for you. But Allah
knoweth, and ye know not.

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We
cast TERROR into the hearts of the
Unbelievers, for that they joined
companions with Allah, for which
He had sent no authority". ISLAMIC TERRORISM!

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in
the way of Allah who sell the life
of this world for the other.
Whoso fighteth in the way of
Allah, be he slain or be he
victorious, on him We shall
bestow a vast reward.

lexiconkabir:
i have talked about this, check your mentions, you say 100% of the quran, are not God's words(God forbid), unlike my belief about the bible, but still you go to my quran and pick things about jesus, isnt that deceptive dont you think? now how can muhammad know so much about jesus without seeing him? like i suggested in your other mention, read these verses in the quran yourself completely, with the mind of "i want to know the truth" you will find out that these verses talks about isa/yeshua(jesus to you) as a mere MESSENGER of God!

You can believe what you like but the truth remains no other prophets had the attributes of Jesus both in the bible and quran.

truthman2012:
Ignorance!

Jesus is a Spirit from God (Quran 21;91). The Spirit of God is God.

Your spirit is you.

Jesus is the word of God (Quran 3:45).

You are what you say. You cannot separate a person from his word.

@ lexiconkabir

All you are doing is arguing against the quran. Unless the above quran is incorrect Jesus is more than a prophet.

Demmzy15:
The exposure of this moniker of yours is imminent, thank God the world is seeing the liar you're

Who is a liar among us?

I have challenged you guys severally to extract my lies and assemble them but you could not.

I always quote the quran to back up my statements and that is why none of you can debunk my claims.

So you are lying by calling me a liar as you are incapable of pointing out any.

lexiconkabir:
are you saying jesus is more than a prophet? lets see what deutronomy 18:15 tells us "the lord your God will raise up a PROPHET like ME from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him"(new american standard bible). firstly we know moses is the one speaking, from here we can get two points, moses said "A PROPHET"(as we muslims believe) and he said "LIKE ME" do you believe that moses is God or son of God? moses was an ordinary human.

Am glad you have accepted that the passage is not the prophecy about Muhammad.

Jesus was a prophet because he came in human form but God in the Spirit.

Read more: http://www.answering-islam.org/Nehls/Alkitab/alkit14.html

[Quran16:43 YusuAli] And before thee also the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted INSPIRATION: if ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message

[Quran 16:43 Pickthal] And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We INSPIRED - Ask the followers of the Remembrance if ye know not.

Is the quran correct?

Demmzy15:
Thank God you know Paul was takkiyah expert, now go back https://www.nairaland.com/2482164/al-taqquiya and let's discuss!

What do you say of allahh who says he's a deceiver.

Demmzy15:
So 18+20=38, so is daughter is 38years with senior brothers!! Chai! Falseman2012 abeg deactivate sharp sharp!

Deactivate?

I will destroy all the machinations of islamic allahh as the Lord lives.

mustymatic:
Who you wan confuse?
Wetn b night vigil for 31st?
Sundays kuma? Na only Sunday we dey worship? My guy na christians dey go service on Fridays, why?
Jesus knew Allah his lord
Jesus doesn't have a father
What's your point?

For sure, before the recent islamic development, muslims don't worship on Sundays, why did they now add it to their day of worship?

So you have not seen muslims go to (asigir or something) on 31st Dec.?

truthman2013:
...ewoo. which kain lie be this? what did you refute?
The major point of this thread is to show you that Jesus (your god) is a normal human being like myself and you. Though he being a Prophet of God is closer to God than us, but THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM GOD ALMIGHTY, so far you are yet to prove otherwise, just ur usual evading of question(s)

..truthman..

Ignorance!

Jesus is a Spirit from God (Quran 21;91). The Spirit of God is God.

Your spirit is you.

Jesus is the word of God (Quran 3:45).

You are what you say. You cannot separate a person from his word.

truthman2013:
...as old as you are, you are still lying smh.
..truthman..

Why should I lie to glorify God who hates lying?
Every miracle is a lie to muslims because allahh can do none.

Love this.

How I wish other muslims will ask reasonable questions as the converted man did. All a muslim needs do is ask rational questions. Such a thing happened in the quran and allahh quickly forbade muslims from asking:

Quran 5:101] O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.

[Quran 5:102] Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.

Meaning it is ignorance that keeps muslims in islam.

marxydans:
48:29 Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against disbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

The Arabic word “ashidda” does not mean ruthless, but strong and firm. Ruthless is an unacceptable translation. Translations of ashidda:

Pickthall: hard; Yusuf Ali: strong; Daryabadi: stern; Khan-Hilali: severe; F. Malik: strong; Shakir: firm of heart; Arberry: hard; Irving: strict

Also, the disbelievers being referred to in these verses are the those who persecuted and attacked the Muslims. Shaykh Fawzee Al-Atharee said the following:
And similarly the disbeliever, if he has good character with us and good manners with us and good way and treatment with us, then we have good manners with him, good behaviour with him, good way with him and good treatment of him. And if his manners are bad and his behaviour is bad [i.e. abusive and cruel], then we treat him with accordance to how he is treating us. This is something permissible in the legislation. But the Prophet s.a.w.s. has indicated very clearly in all the narrations that have been brought and throughout his life, that there must be a matter of balance and to be just. And that is in dealing with the people of disbelief and also in dealing with those who have faith.

There is no defence in your explanation.

''STRONG AGAINST OR FIRM AGAINST'' is the opposite of COMPASSIONATE.

Therefore strong or firm against does not change the fact that muslims are HARSH OR WICKED to non-muslims.

If muslims are not wicked against non-muslims, why the FIGHTING, STRIKING OFF the HEAD and FINGERS of unbelievers?

The best of mankind should be COMPASSIONATE to ALL and NOT only their members.

It is untrue that muslims fight only those who attack them. They fight non-muslims to FORCE them to accept islam:

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them
until there is no more Fitnah
(disbelief and polytheism: i.e.
worshipping others besides Allah)
and the religion (worship) will all
be for Allah Alone [in the whole
of the world ]. But if they cease
(worshipping others besides
Allah), then certainly, Allah is
All-Seer of what they do.”

Sahih Muslim (1:33) The
Messenger of Allah said: "I have
been commanded to fight against
people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, that
Muhammad is the messenger of
Allah, and they establish prayer
and pay zakat."

marxydans:
Mumu.how many time u a change bibble?have u ever seen where the holy Quran been changed? If u don't understand anything in the Quran contact me to give u clear details not to start giving verdict on what u don't know

How much of quran do you know?

Did I say quran was changed? I said allahh was inconsistent, changing his revelations to deceive the muslims. Let me bring out a few of his deceptive inconsistencies, maybe you will understand:

How many trumpets will be blown on Qiyamah?

Two

On the day when the first
Trumpet resoundeth
And the SECOND followeth it,
Qur'an 79:6-7

One only

And when the trumpet shall
sound ONE blast, Qur'an 69:13

Which one do we take?

Can you marry non-
Muslims?

No

Do not marry unbelieving
women (idolaters), UNTILL THEY BELIEVE: A slave woman who
believes is better than an
unbelieving woman, even
though she allures you. Nor
marry (your girls) to
unbelievers until they believe: A
man slave who believes is
better than an unbeliever, even
though he allures you.
Unbelievers do (but) beckon
you to the Fire. But Allah
beckons by His Grace to the
Garden (of bliss) and
forgiveness, and makes His
Signs clear to mankind: That
they may celebrate His praise.
Qur'an 2:221

Yes (even though Qur'an 9;29)
calls Christians idolaters)

This day are (all) good things
made lawful for you. The food
of those who have received the
Scripture is lawful for you, and
your food is lawful for them.
And so are the virtuous women
of the believers and the
virtuous women of THOSE WHO RECEIVED THE
SCRIPTURE BEFORE YOU
(lawful for you) when ye
give them their marriage
portions and live with them in
honour, not in fornication, nor
taking them as secret
concubines. Whoso denieth the
faith, his work is vain and he
will be among the losers in the
Hereafter.
Qur'an 5:5

The virtuous women of those
who received the Scripture
before the muslims were Jews and
Christians, which by Islamic
belief were unbelievers and
idolaters. Calling them “ women
of those who received the
Scripture before you” shows
they were yet to believe in
islam. Muslims were permitted
to marry them even though
they were yet to believe
contradicting the above warning
not to do so.

Does Allah forgive
worshipping other gods/shirk?

No

Allah FORGIVETH NOT (the sin
of) joining other gods with
Him; but He forgiveth whom
He pleaseth other sins than
this: one who joins other gods
with Allah, Hath strayed far,
far away (from the right).
Qur'an 4:116

Yes

The people of the Book ask
thee to cause a book to
descend to them from
heaven: Indeed they asked
Moses for an even greater
(miracle), for they said:
"Show us Allah in public," but
they were dazed for their
presumption, with thunder
and lightning. Yet they YET THEY WORSHIPED THE CALF EVEN AFTER CLEAR SIGNS HAD COME TO THEM; even so we FORGAVE
them; and gave Moses
manifest proofs of authority
Qur'an 4:153

The list is long, I just want to prove to you that allah was changing his revelations to suit any particular situations, never consistent.

Minus hypnotism, reading the quran and understanding it properly is enough to denounce the evil religion.

Where did Muhammad's stories come from?
From the host of demons in the pit of hell.

jcross19:
because your allah is failed gods. Take a pills because camel dugs and urine are dangerous to your health.

Bro. please also advise him not to dip flies into his drinks according to Muhammad's medical prescription. It is dangerous.

mustymatic:
Copy the Bible? come-on! it's not even reliable. o boi the way pastors dey preaach these days you go fear...they go make u eat human hair, garbage in d name of miracle. We pray in the name of Allah, the beneficent the merciful. Jesus didn't pray in his name...he did in Allah's, falling to the ground like Muslims do.

Inside you, you know I said the truth.

Did you people go to night vigil on 31st Dec. before? Why are you doing it now? Copy-copy.

Was Sunday islamic day of worship? Why are you now worshiping on Sundays. Copy-copy.

Did Jesus know allah?

Is allah his Father?

Does allah have a Son?

You are committing 'shirk' my friend.

Jagoon:
Muslim faithful carrying mohamed's instruction

That is serious!

Demmzy15:
To refute Falsemen like you!

What have you pointed out to be false, quote?

Scholar8200:
^^^Kindly note that Jesus did not come to establish a religion! He came to reconcile us back to God!
John 1:12,13

12 But to all who have received him—those who believe in his name—he has given the right to become God’s children 13 —children not born by human parents or by human desire or a husband’s decision, but by God.

As regards the Bible, It consists of the Torah, Psalms and the Prophets (all were quoted by Christ), and the Gospels & Epistles. Christ already endorsed the Epistles when He said to His Apostles:

John 15:27
and you also will testify, because you have been with me from the beginning.

The Word Bible means Book; a book that comprises the Scriptures that Christ repeatedly refer His disciples and the Pharisees to!

Sunday,the first day of the week was adopted by the early disciples simply because that was the day of Christ's Resurrection, however, they met on other days too, just like it's done today.

I love the quote below:

''Jesus did not come to establish a religion''.

Therefore ALL who seek to get to God through religion are deceiving themselves.

Demmzy15:
Loser™!!!

Yes, I lost my way to hell. I advise you to do the same, otherwise you are taking eternal risk.

All of you muslims will be assembled in hell.

No bi mi tok am o, na ya allahh. Lailah!!!

Demmzy15:
Loser™!!!

Yes, I lost my way to Hell. Glory be to God. I advise you to do the same, otherwise you are taking eternal risk.

All of you muslims will be assembled in hell. No bi mi tok am o, na ya allahi! Lailah!!!