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tartar9:
and yet again,yours is the miracle ours is the magic,did Balaam also command the donkey to speak?do you even know what magic is?can you tell me what charms, spells, or rituals He(SAW) did for you to decide it was magic.
" And if they see a miracle they turn aside
and say: Transient magic.
They have denied
the truth and followed their whims and desires,
but everything has its time."(Qur'an, 54:2-3)

allahh was contradicting himself. Was he not the one who said Muhammad couldn't perform miracles as clearly stated up there?

malvisguy212:
my friend,tree speak and cry is not a miracle but magic.tree speak to muhammed, did he command it to happened in God name?
the issue here was that hell speak to muhammed,if it vision, the hadith would have say so right? It not a vision, then what is it?

These muslim guys don't know the difference between a miracle and magic.

Allah himself confirm Muhammad was not given the power for miracle, then where did he get the power for it?

Quran 13: 07
“And the Unbelievers say: "Why
is not a sign sent down to him
from his Lord?" But thou art
truly a warner, and to every
people a guide.”

Allah said he was only a warner and not a miracle worker. Does a warner kill for people not heeding his warning?

All along, the unbelievers asked
Muhammad to perform a
miracle so that they could
believe. All they got in response
was,
Quran 17: 90
They say: "We shall not believe in
thee, until thou cause a spring to
gush forth for us from the earth,

And he would reply:

Qurajm 17: 93
Say: "Glory to my Lord! Am I
aught but a man,- a messenger.

A man, an ordinary man who could not do miracles.

Quran 3: 138
They (also) said: "Allah took our
promise not to believe in an
messenger unless He showed us a
sacrifice consumed by Fire (From
heaven)." Say: "There came to
you messengers before me, with
clear Signs and even with what ye
ask for: why then did ye slay
them, if ye speak the truth?" if
you are truthful?

Hear what he said in the above verse because he couldn't perform miracles.

Therefore, what tartar9 said are miracles are not but mere hallucinations.

yazach:
Some Muslims like empiree, tartar, rilwain and other muslims claimed that you have little knowledge about your religion and the bible, please don't tell me what you stated above is a clear cut testimony to their claim

If they truly said so, they must have been hallucinating like their prophet, Muhammad.

yazach:
@op! I have a question for you
Is it possible for a tree to speak?

Why your question?

I should ask you same question because it is your hadiths that say trees speak and cry like babies in islam.

tartar9:
just trying to save ya *ss don't spoil it.re-read what you just posted,with your glasses louvers.

You guys said you have no time to explain the hadiths because there is nothing you can say, but since yesterday you 've been having much time to say trash. Liars.

tartar9:
lmao,let me just assume this is as a result of your old age.you didn't see what you posted.

Trash!

Keep dodging deceiving your very self. Objective readers will have discovered islam is fraud.

That man said he had been seeing visions coming true as a non-muslim. Which religion spirit was revealing them to him? Why did the same spirit ask him to leave for another religion?

He left Deeper Life to C&S. This shows he was never born-again. That was a rare occurrence.

The truth is that the same deceiptive spirit that led him to C&S from Deeper Life also revealed to him to leave for islam.

The Bible says we should test ALL spirits to detect whether or not they are of God.

Empiree:
No. Just show one concession you ever made against our counterclaims?

When you defend your religion, are you doing it to convince me or the readers?

If you are in a debate, will you try to convince your co-debators or the judges?

Empiree:
As usual, arrant nonsense

And what's the point of posting tafsir if you are not ready to concede like you just did above?. Waste of my glorious time.

Huummm!

Everyone of you is dodging, complaining of time just because there is no defence available.

Empiree:
@truthman2012

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This was brought up by true2god on April 1st. The thread is currently deleted...titled Muslims Why Do U Hate Jews... its not cool.. Here is the link from my profile.

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From the link, Muhammad was quoted as saying that before islam.

What of the hadiths he made in the OP as islam prophet, are they any better?

Allah also inspired Muhammad to stone a she-monkey that committed adultery. Does a monkey have permanent wife?

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:

Narrated ‘Amru
bin Maimun:
"During the pre-
lslamic period
of ignorance I
saw a she-monkey
surrounded by a
number of
monkeys. They
were all stoning
it, because it
had committed
illegal sexual
intercourse. I
too, stoned it
along with
them."

Are monkeys subject to human laws?

What about the he-monkey that committed the adultery?

Didn't Muhammad see he-goats and she-goats, he-dogs and she-dogs committing frequent adultery around him?

What about fouls?

I tell you the truth, Muhammad and muslims are not normal.

tartar9:
you know I was reffering to a particular post of yours.simply complete the hadith or remain silent.

Complete the hadiths and let's if you have a point.

tartar9:
you know I was reffering to a particular post of yours.simply complete the hadith or remain silent.

Complete the hadith and let's if you have a point.

tartar9:
you know I was reffering to a particular post of yours.simply complete the hadith or remain silent.

Complete the hadith and let's if you have a point.

@true2god

Islam is a funny religion, full of fables and hallucinations.

This is the hadith:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:

Narrated ‘Amru
bin Maimun:
"During the pre-
lslamic period
of ignorance I
saw a she-monkey
surrounded by a
number of
monkeys. They
were all stoning
it, because it
had committed
illegal sexual
intercourse. I
too, stoned it
along with
them."

Are monkeys subject to human laws?

What about the he-monkey that committed the adultery?

Didn't Muhammad see he-goats and she-goats, he-dogs and she-dogs committing frequent adultery around him?

What about fouls?

I tell you the truth, Muhammad and muslims are not normal.

tartar9:
and you need to have a mouth in order to produce sound ,something ordinary humans have done your god can't do.

But you said you have no time and you don't stop responding. Why must muslims lie all the time?

Your god inspired a stone to steal Moses cloth as above. A thief.

tartar9:
and you need to have a mouth in order to produce sound ,something ordinary humans have done your god can't do.

Your god inspired a stone to steal. A thief.

I was shocked when I saw the caption 'General Oversea converted to islam'. But when I discovered it was Cheribum and Seraphim leader, it is a great relief.

Do you know Cheribum and Seraphim members speak Arabic as their own speaking in tongues? That church is another department of the Devil like islam. Many muslims find it convenient to go there and members come to islam from there.

I was shocked when I saw the caption 'General Oversea converted to islam'. But when I discovered it was Cheribum and Seraphim leader, it is a great relief.

Do you know Cheribum and Seraphim members speak Arabic as their own speaking in tongues? That church is another department of the Devil like islam. Many muslims find it convenient to go there and members come to islam from there.

tartar9:
if that's too big a thing for your god to do,its not for mine.at least He didn't see 1+1+1=1

So, it was allahh who inspired tree, hell and stone to speak? Good of you.

Now, who inspired this stone to steal?

Abu Huraira reported that Moses
was a modest person. He was
never seen naked and Banu Isra'iI
said: (He was afraid to expose his
private part) because he had been
suffering from scrotal hernia. He
(one day) took bath in water and
placed his garments upon a stone.
The stone began to move on
quickly. He followed that and
struck it with the help of a stone
(saying): O stone, my garment; O
stone, my garments, O stone.....
Sahih Muslim 30:5850 ,
Sahih Bukhari 4:55:616

Going by your defence, allahh must also have inspired the stone to steal Moses cloth.

Unbias:
Muhammad was always the only witness in Islam. The only one Allah revealed the quran to through Jubril for many years. The only one who can tell us the inspiration that produced the quran.

Don't mind them.

Quran is the witness of only Muhammad and since he died, no more words coming from allahh.

The poison that killed him stopped allahh's talking to muslims.

malvisguy212:
explained it, this is demonic manipulation, none of God true prophet had this type of experience, ONLY muhammed,ONLY an Arab prophet, the ONLY prophet who did not hear directly from God. Pleased repent and be saved.
Truthman2012. Nice exposition.

Everything about Muhammad is demonic. When he was young his nurse told his parents that he had demon.

When he grew up, he was falling down like one having eplepsy, a sign of demonic possession.

He was the only 'prophet' who was split by a spirit open and something removed inside him.

Then trees and stone are talking to him.

tartar9:
explaining to you i have no such time to waste my last reply is enough.

Dodging!

Since you have no time, why did you try to refute?

Your refutal so far doesn't hold water.

mustymatic:
Prophets hav d ability to c jinns n angels, Jesus too

Are prophets not humans? Yet your quran says jinns are invisible to humans.
You muslims guys have nothing to refute.

tartar9:
what about the rest,there are other such hadiths of stones and inaminate objects saluting him that were witnessed by others.and how is the patients abdomen telling a lie literal dont you understand what that simply means,the Hell and the rest may not even be literal even if they all literally happened,what's so impossible there for God.

Was it God who complained or hell? What is the impossible with God you are talking about.

Explain each of the hadiths and let's know what actually happened.

tartar9:
the hadiths shows they were witnessed by everybody,so they all had the hallucinations at once?

No, the occurrence could not be witnessed by other people:

Who was there in hell when it made the complaint?

Muhammad told the people that a stone used to salute him before he became a prophet, meaning people were not there.

Did the people hear Muhammad's patient's abdomen telling a lie?

tartar9:
and the so-called hallucinations affected the rest of the people who also witnessed it.

Which one did the people witness?

The hell complaining?

The patient's abdomen telling lies?

A tree talking to Muhammad?

The tree crying without eyes to shed tears?

true2god:
Mohammed is an abnormal person leading normal people. One hadith even talked about allahh's apostle stoning a monkey caught in adultery. I will google the hadith.

Islam is a cosmic joke.

More than funny! Na wa for Moh o!

How did he know the legal wife or husband of the monkey? Do monkeys get married to a parmanent wife?

If these fictions are inspirations to Muhammad, allah himself must be a joker, whose words should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The
Prophet used to stand by a tree
or a date-palm on Friday. Then an
Ansari woman or man said. "O
Allah's Apostle! Shall we make a
pulpit for you?" He replied, "If you
wish." So they made a pulpit for
him and when it was Friday, he
proceeded towards the pulpit (for
delivering the sermon). The date-
palm cried like a child! The
Prophet descended (the pulpit)
and embraced it while it
continued moaning like a child
being quieted. The Prophet said,
"It was crying for (missing) what it
used to hear of religious
knowledge given near to it.Sahih Bukhari 4:56:784

- A tree crying like a baby: When do trees start crying? This is nothing but hallucination.

- Muhammad embracing the crying tree: What is wrong with this muslims' prophet? If somebody does that these days, people will tie him and take him to phychiatric hospital.

- The tree crying for missing Muhammad's sermon: When do trees beging to listen to humans speaking? Do they have ears, eyes and mouth etc? Are they going to muslims' heaven too?

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's
Apostle said, "The (Hell) Fire
complained to its Lord saying, 'O
my Lord! My different parts eat up
each other.' So, He allowed it to
take two breaths, one in the
winter and the other in summer,
and this is the reason for the
severe heat and the bitter cold
you find (in weather)."
Sahih Bukhari 4:54:482

Does hellfire speak?

How can hellfire complain of heating up its own part?

Narrated ‘Abdur-Rahman: "I asked
Masruq, ‘Who informed the
Prophet about the Jinns at the
night when they heard the
Qur'an?’ He said, ‘Your father
‘Abdullah informed me that a tree
informed the Prophet about
them.’"
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:199

That is another tree taking to Muhammad. Hallucination!

Jabir b. Samura reported Allah's
Messenger (may peace be upon
him) as saying: I recognise the
stone in Mecca which used to pay
me salutations before my advent
as a Prophet and I recognise that
even now.
Sahih Muslim 30:5654

Stone saluting Muhammad? Demonic manipulation!

Narrated Abu Said: A man came to
the prophet and said, 'My brother
has got loose motions. The
Prophet said, Let him drink
honey." The man again (came)
and said, 'I made him drink
(honey) but that made him
worse.' The Prophet said, 'Allah
has said the Truth, and the
abdomen of your brother has told
a lie."
Sahih Bukhari 7:71:614

When Muhammad made medical prescription and failed he said the patient's abdomen told a lie.

basilico:
Another hilarious hadeeth.




Satan urinates in somebody's ears.





Another hilarious one

Muhammad was hallucinating. What a prophet.

He was once charmed and was hallucinating sleeping with his wife when he really was not.

Narrated Aisha:
Magic was worked on
Allah's Apostle so that he
used to think that he had
sexual relations with his
wives while he actually
had not (Sufyan said: That
is the hardest kind of
magic as it has such an
effect). Then one day he
said, "O ‘Aisha do you know
that Allah has instructed
me concerning the matter I
asked Him about? Two men
came to me and one of
them sat near my head and
the other sat near my feet.
The one near my head
asked the other, ‘What is
wrong with this man?’ The
latter replied he is under
the effect of magic. The
first one asked, ‘Who has
worked magic on him?’ The
other replied, ‘Labid bin Al-
A’sam, a man from Bani
Zuraiq who was an ally of
the Jews and was a
hypocrite.’ The first one
asked, ‘What material did
he use?’ The other replied,
‘A comb and the hair stuck
to it.’ The first one asked,
‘Where (is that)?’ The other
replied, ‘In a skin of pollen
of a male date palm tree
kept under a stone in the
well of Dharwan.’" So the
Prophet went to that well
and took out those things
and said, "That was the
well which was shown to
me (in a dream). Its water
looked like the infusion of
Henna leaves and its date-
palm trees looked like the
heads of devils." The
Prophet added, "Then that
thing was taken out." I said
(to the Prophet) "Why do
you not treat yourself with
Nashra?" He said, "Allah
has cured me; I dislike to
let evil spread among my
people." ( Sahih al-Bukhari ,
Volume 7, Book 71,
Number 660 )

smallrincowis16:
simply answer... because he has body.

that's why he (salla llahu alyhi wasalam). can see angels too. hope it's cleared enough

Please leave the stage, you don't know what you are saying.

You once said satan is invisible to human eyes and now you are saying muhammad could see him. Quran says muslims could not see jinns:

Quran 7:27 "Indeed he
(Iblis) and his tribe watch
you from a position where
you cannot see them"

I will not respond to you again if you continue to say unreasonable things.