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Rilwayne001:
Man, that they call him the messiah doesn't mean they believe he is the messiah. They were mocking him.

This is another lie by islamic allah. At no time did the Jews call Jesus the Messiah. Though they were expecting their Messiah but they didn't believe it was Jesus. Had they known him to be and call him their Messiah, they would not even attempt to kill him talkless of actually killing him.

Rilwayne001

I appreciate your extensive quotes from the bible even though you did not understand the meaning of what you are saying.

My question again is, If Jesus said PEACEMAKERS are also known as SON OF GOD in Mattew 5:9, then what does that relay to you?

Secondly, of what purpose is the genealogy of Jesus that traces Joseph as his father in both Luke and Mattew?

Peacemakers are not fight settlers as you think it is. Peace making in the bible context is reconciling man to God through repentance. Peacemakers in this context are preachers of God words reconciling people with God. The peacemakers here are people who follow Jesus teachings and are ordained to be preaching the gospel in due course, they are the Sons of God indeed. As many as receive Jesus to them are given power to become sons of God (John 1:12).

I wonder what point you are trying to make by referring to the genealogy of Jesus and Joseph. Even your quran confirms Mary was pregnant of Jesus without the input of Joseph. Mary was a virgin who conceived and bore Jesus.

[b]You need to brush your brain sir. Cojtrary to the bolded part, here is what Jesus said according to your bible:


MARK 12:29-34 — And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but HE : And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices . And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question. [/b]

God is One not three as the quran wrongly interprets the bible. For reason best known to Him, He decided to function in three offices. The office of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. God is capable of dividing Himself into any number He wishes.

".....more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices". This talking about burnt offerings and animal sacrifices conducted on the altar of the Jews' temple, which was how they were trying to appease God at that time, even though they didn't have the kind of love for God required of them.

".....Thou art not far from the kingdom of God". The kingdom of God is not the same as the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of God are people under God's government on earth, those who have God's words as their constitution. These are the people who will have access to the Kingdom of Heaven if they live in total obedience under the kingdom of God on earth. The people whom Jesus was addressing here were not even yet in the kingdom of God, they were only not far from it.

[b]NOW THEIR ARE MANY POINTS TO NOTE IN THE VERSE ABOVE:

* He quoted from their scripture the greatest of all commadments i.e to believe that God is ONE and ONLY. Why didn't Jesus say believing in him as the son of god is the greatest message as you have wanted us to believe above?

* They affirm that these 2 commandments nullify burnt offerings and sacrifices. Then of what point is christians claim that he died for their sins?

* They affirm that Jesus been Master (in scripture understanding) as said the truth about the scripture, that there is ONE GOD and there is no other god but HE (notice the HE in red letter) [any honest person that read this verse will affirm that the HE doesnot include Jesus. Therefore Jesus doesnt share in the divinity of God almighty]. Now did Jesus correct this man about it i.e to uphold trinity( that he shared in the diviinity?)

* No, Jesus did't correct him, rather he saw that he had answered discreetly and told him that he is not far from the Kingdom of God....

My question now is, who are we going to believe between Jesus and you

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

Contrary to the BS you posted up there undecided[/b]

You cannot understand the bible because you do not have the Spirit of the Bible. All you are displaying here is carnal and head knowledge which do not tally with spiritual reality. Therefore all your explanations above are null and void.

I have answered this question like 3times on this thread. No going back.

The answer you gave was your personal opinion without any quranic backing. The truth remains your allah only talked about his rescuing Jesus from being killed and failed to tell why they wanted to kill him. Why was he hiding the truth if not to deceive mankind?

Anas09:
The muslims are obviously lost. All the rigmarolling is to save face. The koran is a complete lie. Satan just placed the Caricature character of Iesa in the koran to make Muslims feel that they don't have to leave Islam before they can believe in Jesus. Only, Iesa and Jesus Christ are not the same. nothing Jsus did is in the koran, but all Muhammed's evil deeds are recorded.
Something just occurred to me. The Muslims claim that Adam, Abraham, Noah Daniel even Jesus was a Muslim. That goes to say, all jews were Muslim once upon a time. Question: when did all the jews converted out of Islam?

The lies told by islamic allah are so easy to detect. Judaism is based on the Mosaic Laws. If Moses was a muslim as the quran asserts, all the Jews who practiced the Mosaic laws should invariably be muslims. But are Jews muslims?

If the Jews are muslims because they followed Moses who was a muslim, why would they want to kill Jesus their fellow muslim if the quran is true?

Quran is pure deception.

Rilwayne001 you have an uphill task here.

Rilwayne001

Whats your take on Mattew 5:9?

Then what is the essence of the genealogy of Jesus?

What have all these got to do with the thread? Trying to create distraction?

Woww! Are you sure of this? Can you back it up?

The whole essence of the Gospel is to believe Jesus is the Son of God before anyone can be saved: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him (John 3:36). Allah wants the wrath of the true God for the muslims and that is why we are warning.

Address my questions.

Something gave rise to your question and that was my asking you to provide from the quran where allah specifically stated the reason the Jews wanted to kill Jesus. As you could not, you then raised the question. Tell me from the quran the reason they attempted on Jesus life and I will tell you the reason some prophets were killed in the bible.

Another device of the Devil.

It was muslims that discovered the Dead Sea Scroll that talks in favour of islam. The socalled bible that talks in favour of islam was also said to be found in Turkey, a muslim country. Satanic devices.

Rilwayne001:
Mr. man, answer my question. I don't need to believe the bible before questioning it.



The term 'son of God' could mean anything. Not literally son of God as it is been pronounced. That Jesus refered to God as his father doesn't mean he is his biological father.

The bible clearly states Jesus is the Son of God and that is why he called God his Father. You are not in a position to change the bible.

The whole essence of the Gospel is the declaration that Jesus is the Son of God. Allah knew this and yet he accepts the Gospel as valid: [ Quran 5:47 ] ''Let the People of
the Gospel judge by that which
Allah hath revealed therein.
Whoso judgeth not by that which
Allah hath revealed: such are evil-
livers''. Jesus is the Son of God was what was in the Gospel at the time Muhammad came, yet allah accepted it as valid and wonder why he denied afterward.
Contradiction.

The fallout of backsliding.

Rilwayne001:
Stop cherry-picking my posts. Address my first question.



This was the reasonfor my first post on this thread. The Jews are ignorant of the term 'Son of God'. Christian on the other hand are deluded to think it is what it is.

Want me to answer your question? Do you believe in what the bible says? The bible says Jesus was killed for calling himself the Son of God but you don't believe and you do expect me to waste my time telling you the reasons other prophets were killed from the same bible you don't believe?

What is your own definition of the term 'Son of God'? In many passages of the bible Jesus referred to God as Father.

Rilwayne001:
Other prophets that were killed in the OT, can you specify the reason why they were killed aside from saying the truth?



Isn't it obvious that they sought to kill him for being the messanger of God which they are not ready to accept?

I asked you to cite any quranic verse where allah says the reason(s) they wanted Jesus killed, you could not but said it is obvious. That it is obvious is your own formulation as the bible says it was because he called himself the Son of God, which allah couldn't say as it would have negated his establishment of islam.

Rilwayne001:
[b] The truth is to worship the One and only GOD ALMIGHTY in truth and desist from sin. The Israelite rejected his prophethood which is tantamount to rejecting his message. [b]And they sought to kill him because they are obstinate to the truth. [[/b]/b]

Says who?

Rilwayne001:
Jesus according to the Quran was sent to the Israelite and not to the whole, even your bible attests to this.

He is also possibly the most misunderstood, and misrepresented, person in history. It is for these reasons that the Qur’an highlights the most important aspects of his life in order to correct mankind about many of the mistaken beliefs and innovations that developed in the centuries following him.

It has been made clear in the Quran that the jews reject the truth Jesus preached and they sought to kill him. We all know the truth he preached, which is to worship one and only GOD in truth and to desist from sin.

The fact that they reject is prophethood alone is a proof that they reject the message he brought.

Every one of God's true prophets preached the truth. John the Baptist preached the truth but was killed specifically for advising king Herod not to marry Heroidia and other prophets who were killed were for specific reasons and not because they preached the truth.

Now tell me where the quran says Jesus was killed because he preached the truth or where allah stated any reason at all for the Jews wanting to kill him before he rescued him.

resultcase:
Try to read the Quran first brother.

I told you I bought quran about 35 years ago. Do you think I bought it for decoration?

I have read it thoroughly, there is nowhere allah talks about the reason the Jews wanted to kill Jesus. It only talks about him not being killed. Why?

resultcase:
And can you tell me what Jesus preached in the Bible that got him killed? Please Don't tell me "Christianity" cos that word doesn't exist even in the Bible FYI.

It has been repeated severally on this thread with evidence that Jesus was killed for calling himself the Son of God.

Christianity means 'like Christ' then if we bear that name it is okay by us. God has no religion but His own people.

malvisguy212:
what truth is that ? What did Jesus preach to the Jews in the quran that the Jews did not accepts?

Bro the quran is deceitful. Did you notice it doesn't contain the teachings of Jesus, yet muslims say they believe in him? Believe in what?

According to the quran, Jesus was quoted as saying 'worship your God and my God' and that is all. Was that all his teachings? Deception.

Rilwayne001:
Jews made an attempt to kill him because they are obstinate to the truth and at the same time ignorant.

Christians on the other hand are both confused and deluded about who Jesus was.

This is your own formulation friend. Even allah could not make bold to state the allegation levelled againt Jesus, otherwise there will be no islam.

Why was allah hiding it?

malvisguy212:
Good evening, I love the op. Nice one.

Thank you bro. God bless you.

Did you notice muslims could not say anything about the OP? When I received this message I was so happy and I pray God in His mercies will use it to open the eyes of innocent muslims to accept Jesus as God's Son and become saved.

malvisguy212:
off point.

Hi bro.
God bless you.

Demmzy15:
It's doesn't have to be in the Bible! Paul practiced it na

That is your own misunderstanding of Paul's words and intentions.

Anyway, that is diversionary. The real issue is allah's deliberate silence on why they wanted to kill Jesus or on the allegation levelled against him. If he had said it as it is pointblank, there would have been nothing called islam today. That means islam exists by its god hiding an important truth about Jesus.

Confirmer:
The reason for killing Jesus even in the bible was because he was trying to change the mosaic laws. We have discussed this extensively in another thread.

The bible states in no ambiguous term that they killed Jesus for calling himself the Son of God. Therefore, whatever your conclusion in your extensive discussions, if it didn't tally with that, it was your personal opinions, unbiblical.

kestolove95:
who killed jesus? jews who are jews isrealites whats dia religion xtianity...so what u talking abt

Jews are not the same as Christians. Jews practice Judaism while Christians practice Christianity.

Demmzy15:
Al TAKKIYAH stop mentioning me jor

We have no such word as al takkiyah in Christianity but islam. Everything about Jesus is the TRUTH.

Demmzy15:
Al TAKKIYAH alert!

The earlier you stop yielding to satanic deception the better for your soul.

Don't you wonder why allah was silent or rather was unable to say why they wanted Jesus killed? He was hiding something, I tell you the truth.

Jagoon:
Bros Abeg allah is mohamed's alter ego or at best a demon sent by satan to lead men into destruction.

Yes, satan disguised as Allah and also as Gabriel to introduce islam.

The bible says: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to ALL NATIONS and then SHALL THE END COME (Mat. 24:14).

God's plan is that Jesus Gospel should be preached till the end of the world, therefore who sent Muhammad to bring islam?

Demmzy15:
[size=18pt]#ChristainsStopTakiyyahNow[/size]

No wonder islam/muslims know not the reason why the Jews wanted Jesus killed.
Why did allah leave muslims in the dark if not to deceive them?

Demmzy15:
Old man what of answering-islam.org, Matt Slick, Craig Winn?!

Off point!

It seems you muslims have no answers to the questions raised in the OP.

If you have no answers, it shows muslims are under deception. You will be inexcuseable before God as the truth has been made known to you. The need for spreading the Gospel is for people to accept Jesus and if they don't they will have no excuse on judgement day.

resultcase:
If only you've ever dedicated 6 hours of your life to study what it preaches.....

The Muslims always study the bible and the religion of Christianity and never scared to do so. In fact you'll find different versions of the bible at my house, and I understood every bit of what they teaches, I even asked questions (From my Neighbor Christians/Pastors) when I dont understand. The big questions now is; Why are the Christians scared of reading the Qu'ran or study Islam?

Dont tell me its written in Arabic! The original bible wasnt written in English either.

All most of you do is condemn Islam after hearing stories from your pastor who heard from a pastor that heard from a pastor! and so on.... Its so pathetic!!!

No, you are dead wrong. I study both the quran and hadiths. In fact I bought a copy of quran sometime around 1980. I read hadiths on hadithcollection.com

My friend, what is your response to the OP?

Jagoon:
Allah aka mohamed could not state his reasons because he was an illiterate and his knowledge of Jesus was based on hearsay from fellow illiterates. That explains why there is so much confusion and contradiction in the quoran.

I want to differ a bit from your opinion. Muslims say the quran is the word of allah and hadiths the words and deed of Muhammad. If the quran is truly allah's words, one expects him (allah) to mention the reason the Jews planned to kill Jesus before he rescued him if he was not hiding something.

PastorKun:
So much confusion and contradiction in islam

Yes, pastor.

The Devil is a deceiver.

Why couldn't Allah state the reason the Jews wanted to kill Jesus before his so-called rescue?

Confirmer:
I have already stated the reason they wanted to kill Jesus.

I think you can see the reason for killing Jesus as recorded in the bible.
What is the source of your own information.

kestolove95:
Are jews muslims or are Israelites muslims?

What is the relevance of your question?

The Jews killed Jesus because he called himself the Son of God according to the bible account. Muslims say it was not Jesus that was killed but someone else in his stead. Then my question is: why are muslims not telling us the reason they made an attempt on Jesus life rather than insisting he was not killed and that allah rescued him?

Confirmer:
Did John the Baptist call himself the son of God before he was killed? The Jews still believe Jesus was an illegitimate child, i.e Mary committed adultery, and they didn't believe Jesus to be the messiah.

Did you find out why John the Baptist was killed?

Mat. 14:1-5:
At that time Herod, the
ruler of Galilee, heard the
reports about Jesus. So
he said to his servants,
“Jesus is John the Baptist,
who has risen from the
dead. That is why he can
work these miracles.”

Sometime before this,
Herod had arrested John,
tied him up, and put him
into prison. Herod did this
because of Herodias, who
had been the wife of
Philip, Herod’s brother.
John had been telling
Herod, “It is not lawful for
you to be married to
Herodias.” Herod wanted
to kill John, but he was
afraid of the people,
because they believed John
was a prophet.

John the Baptist was killed because he told Herod the king not to marry Herodias. Different prophets were killed for different reasons.

The Bible makes it clear that Jesus was killed for calling himself the Son of God:

[John 10:36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said I am the Son of God?

[John 19:7] The Jews answered him (Pilate), We have a law and by our law, he (Jesus) ought to die BECAUSE he made himself the Son of God.

That the Disciples believed and proclaimed Jesus was the Son of God and doing miracles in His name was the reason they were also killed.

But the quran denies that Jesus was killed and says someone else was killed in his stead:

[Quran 4:157-158 Shakir] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Whether or not he was killed or someone was made to replace him, the fact remains that an attempt was made on his life. This is the big issue as no muslim seems to be asking “why was an attempt to kill Jesus made at all” As earlier stated, the bible tells us the reason he was killed but the quran and the muslims fail to tell us why they wanted to kill him and somebody had to be used to replace him.

If Jesus was attempted to be killed for calling himself the Son of God and yet Allah saved him, doesn’t that show he was saying the truth? Why would Allah save him for saying blasphemy if his claim was truly blasphemous?

Jesus declaring himself as the Son of God is a sin of ‘shirk’, an offence punishable by death in islam. Then, why would allah save him from the death he deserved by committing shirk? Quran says Allah does not forgive the sin of shirk: [Quran 4:116 4:116 Yusufali] Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right). If this is true, why did Allah claim he rescued Jesus from death after he had committed an unforgivable sin – shirk, worthy of death?

Unquestionably, Jesus is the Son of God and savior of the world.