₦airaland Forum

tartar9:
you are changing it now.firstly,you implied Allah means a god now it doesn't necessarily mean God which is also false,the word Allah can only be used for God or the Supreme being/Creator the one that can be used for a god is ilah.and also,you should recognize your logical fallacy of backing this up by saying he isn't the true God because He isn't a Holy trinity

All this is distraction, refute the OP paragraph by paragraph.

I discovered many of my thread muslims could not refute including this one in question.

Also look at all these:

https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca

Muslims ran away saying they have treated it before, which is a lie.


https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe

The only man that attempted this told a lie that the changes in allahh words was in Sharia Law. What does sharia law have to do with the many changes discovered in the quran?

https://www.nairaland.com/2249230/lessons-muhammads-ascension-heaven

No attempt on this by any muslims.

tartar9:
Allah is the Arabic name for God,it was used by Arab christians even before the establishment of Islam by the Holy Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and they still use it.

Allah does not necessarily mean the true God. The Arabs call whatever idol they worship allahh (Quran 6:136). That is why satan hid under the word 'allah' to deceive the muslims.

We know without any iota of doubt that Mutaleb's allahh was an idol because he was a pagan. Then he named his son Abdullai (servant of allah), meaning he was serving allahh as a pagan. Or which allahh was he serving as a pagan? The true God? No is the answer.

The Arab Christians' allah is the true God of the bible because He has all the attributes of the bible God, the Father of our Lord Jesus.

Mutaleb allah does not beget neither is he begotten. It is one of the idols inside Kaaba.

Quote the OP paragraph by paragraph and refute them if you can. It is impossible for any muslim to do so.

mustymatic:
I have all the basis bro. and JESUS is nothing but a prophet of the GOD I worship ,even d Bible has no basis that JESUS is god, technically ur d one wt no basis

Let it be registered in your mind that islam has been proved to be paganism with clear evidences, which you cannot refute. What Muhammad succeeded in doing was to stop people from worshiping their various idols and forced allahh, his fathers' idol on them all. He claimed allahh, which Mutaleb and Abdullai (known pagans) have been worshiping is the true God. How can an idol become the true God?

Mutaleb an idolater named his son Abdullai, meaning servant of allahh. This shows allahh was his idol. This same allahh Muhammad went to worship when islamic Gabriel appeared to him and told him he was going to be the prophet of allahh they have been worshiping as an idol. Can't you sense deception? So, so simple.

allahh was one of the 360 idols inside Kaaba. Every family had their own idol there and Muhammad's family own was allahh, which has become your true God now.
May God deliver you and others in your position in Jesus name.

mustymatic:
YOU ARE INDEED A JOKER

You think those very serious evidences pointing to islam as continuation of paganism is a joke?

Even allahh knew and said in the quran that all of those practices have pagan origin and you are joking. It shows you do not love your own soul.

Having been made to know with clear proof that allahh is an arabian idol and satan hid under that name to deceive, will still tell God you didn't know?

Since you and others have nothing to refute the OP, what a reasonable person should do is to reconsider his stand in islam. You have no basis to claim you worship the true God.

mustymatic:
Answer me.and I'll answer you. that's hw it works
if not then Christians r gambling. I, on d oda hand do not worship Muhammad, but his LORD and th LORD of JESUS. so there's no need askin me to quote where he had encounter wit Allah, a messenger was sent just like JESUS n d oda prophets except Moses.
Please!!! Answer my question

Who is the LORD of Muhammad?

Find it here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2287893/allah-loves-pagans-hates-jews

Rilwayne001:
dayummmn.

Truthman no doubt is a joker.

Smh!

Rilwayne001:
For the open mind alone and not for close minded bigots like the OP and his coterie of clowns.



Any open minded person should please read this^ in full on this site http://www.islamawareness.net/Talaq/talaq_book.html the OP claim is well addressed on the link.

This is the double face of islam. One verse saying 'yes' and another saying 'no' on the same issue. One hadith agreeing and the other disagreeing. What a religion of hypocrites.

Allah hates the Jews and Christians but loves the way of the pagans.

"Abu Huraira reported Allah's
Messenger (may peace be upon
him) as saying: The last hour
would not come unless the
Muslims will fight against the
Jews and the Muslims would kill
them until the Jews would hide
themselves behind a stone or a
tree and a stone or a tree would
say: Muslim, or the servant of
Allah, there is a Jew behind me;
come and kill him; but the tree
Gharqad would not say, for it is
the tree of the Jews." -- (Sahih Muslim 6985).

[Sahih Bukhari 4.52.177]: "Allah's
Apostle said, The Hour will not
be established until you fight
with the Jews, and the stone
behind which a Jew will be
hiding will say: 'O Muslim!
There is a Jew hiding behind me,
so kill him'."

AvaterFolytaf:
Firstly,Where are the evidences?

What are you saying? You saw quranic quotes and many hadiths, yet you are asking for evidences. What evidence are you looking for?

Islam is a religion where the Satan is worshiped as God.

Allah pretended to be the God who sent the bible prophets to deceive mankind.

Satan became an adversary to God because he wanted to overthrow God and be worshiped as God. He has achieved being worshiped as God through islam.

He condemned the bible so as to establish his own, the quran.

Islam is Satan's biggest achievement in the world.

[Quran 2:158] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware.

I won't be surprised if tomorrow the bold is re-translated. Many hadiths have been removed on the internet to protect islam.

Veneration of the Black-stone

The pagan gods of pre-Islamic Arabia were worshiped in the form of rectangular stones or rocks. For example, the pagan deity 'Al-Lat', mentioned in Qur'an 53:19, and believed by pre-Islamic pagans to be one of the daughters of Allah, was once venerated as a cubic rock at Ta'if in Saudi Arabia. An edifice was built over the rock to mark it apart as a house of worship.
Al-lat stood in al-Ta'if, and was more recent than Manah. She was a cubic rock beside which a certain Jew used to prepare his barley porridge (sawiq). Her custody was in the hands of the banu-'Attab ibn-Malik of the Thayif, who had built an edifice over her. [...]She is the idol which God mentioned when He said, "Have you seen Al-lat and al-'Uzza (Surah 53:19)?
Kitab Al-Asnam (The Book of Idols), p 14

This paganism is part of islam today. Allah loves paganism but hates the Jews and Christians

Praying 5 Times Towards Mecca

Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca.[4] Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al-Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day.

Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their (kusti) prayers at least five times a day having first cleansed themselves by washing (ablution). So even today, this is not a practice unique to Islam. But, contrary to the Muslims, they pray in the direction of the Sun (at each time of the day) and/or of the Holy Fire (if they are in a Fire Temple).

Allah loves paganism but hates the Jews and Christians

Fasting on the 10th of Muharram

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the Quraish, fasted on the 10th of Muharram. Though optional, Muhammad retained this pagan practice too.
Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the tenth of Muharram) was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172

Allah loves paganism but hates the Jews and Christians.

Tawaf between Safa and Marwa

Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelation.[7]
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158)
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710

Allah loves paganism but hates the Jew and Christians

Requirement of Ihram

Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah.
Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706

Allah loves paganism but hates the Jews and Christians

Circumambulation 7 Times

In the Islamic ritual of Tawaf, Muslims go around the Kaaba 7 times. In the Hindu marriage rite of Satphere, the married couple goes around a fire also 7 times. In both of these rituals, religious phrases are repeated during the circumambulation.

Circumambulation is to go in circles around a particular object. In Islam, worshippers and pilgrims do this around the Ka'aba at Mecca. Pre-Islamic pagans used do it to please the moon god Hubal, the 360 deities and Allah (who was merely one among the many deities worshipped there). Muhammad himself used to do it, even before the 360 idols inside the Ka'aba were removed.

Judaism and Christianity (the religions of those who are considered People of the Book) do not practice ritual circumambulation to please God. Two other faiths which do are Hinduism and Buddhism, religions older than Islam and accused by Islam of “paganism” and practicing idolatry.

Allah loves paganism but hates the Jews and Christians

Abuamam:
For interested Muslims who know that Islam exhorts us to use our minds; in fact know that man's esteem comes from knowledge, and that the Angels were ordered to bow down to Adam (as) due to his superior knowledge, you can see 2 brief responses below, to this often repeated allegation by followers of a religion whose mottos are: "just have faith" or "don't question the mysteries of the trinity" etc.

http://www.sistersbookroom.net/t1947-unnecessary-questioning-surah-al-ma-idah-5101-102

http://www.islamacevap.net/Resources/Morey/moreyallah.htm

Did you miss the rest of the hadith? XTIAN.
Or did you just copy-paste from another website and not realise that your xtian brothers did not quote the full hadith?
You guys have not even repented of the apocrypha you tried to foist on us as being part of the bible; you have started your falsehoods again. Smh! 'Holy' spirit taqiyyah.

Let us analyse what we have in your first link. The following quotes are from it:

“If you but know what I know, you will laugh little and cry a lot.” The companions of Allah's Messenger covered their faces and the sound of crying was coming out of their chests. A man asked, `Who is my father' The Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam) said, `So-and-so'. This Ayah was later revealed,

Why should people cry a lot for knowing the truth?

What is in islam that if known, will make muslims cry a lot?

The reason muslims have to cry a lot is big enough for people to leave islam and that was why some people who loved their souls quickly left.

“I have never witnessed both goodness and evil like I have today. Paradise and the Fire were shown to me and I saw them before that wall”. This Hadith was recorded in the Two Sahihs from Sa’id. Al-Bukhari recorded that Ibn `Abbas (Radhi Allahu Anhu) said, "Some people used to question the Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam) to mock him. One of them would ask, `Who is my father,' while another would ask, `Where is my camel,' when he lost his camel. Allah sent down this Ayah about them,

The bold is one of the real reasons why Muhammad said questions should not be asked. Those who mocked him had an idea that quranic revelations are funny and inconsistent with the earlier Scriptures and full of fables. Or why should they mock him?

Would people have lost their faith in islam because of the simple questions like "Who is my father? and Where is my camel? This should show you the defence in the link is lame and not what actually happened or what caused the verse to be revealed. How could such simple questions cause people to be troubled?

Before you, a community asked such questions, then on that account they became disbelievers, meaning, some people before your time asked such questions and they were given answers. They did not believe the answers, so they became disbelievers because of that. This occurred because these rulings were made plain to them, yet they did not benefit at all from that, for they asked about these things not to gain guidance, but only to mock and defy.

This is the truth of the matter. Some people asked questions and they did not believe the answers and they became unbelievers, i.e they left islam. There were not ready to swallow clear falsehood and they left. Thank God they were not killed for apostasy or probably they ran for their dear lives.

Those who left were reasonable people, probably they have read the earlier Scriptures and discovered islamic revelations are falsehood.

Me have been wondering: what questions did those ex-muslims ask that made them to leave islam?

I think some of them would include:

Why was allahh changing his words as situations changed?

Why would God ask His prophet to snatch his adopted son's wife?

Why should we worship the true God the same way we have been doing to our idols?

Why did allahh say Abraham built the Kaaba, which our forefathers told us was built by them?

Which heaven did Muhammad go that the descriptions didn't tally with what allahh said in the quran: no virgins. He even said he saw people of the 'corrupt' Book therein?

Why did he deceive us we were going jannah when he didn't say he saw the muslims martyrs therein?

Why did he claim he split the moon and for what, when his jihadists ate poison and he couldn't do anything about it?

But he told us Christians are idol worshipers, why did he say they will go to heaven with reward? (Quran 2:62). Why is he deceiving us?

Readers, you are free to add some questions you think might have prompted them to leave islam.

basilico:
When that criminal prophet died Many of those he had coerced into Islam started losing their religion.
The new successor Abu Bakr ( father of child bride Aisha) infamously started the Ridda wars . Ridda wars were apostasy wars to force those who lost their Islam back to Islam.


The most significant Sunni scholar Dr Qaradawi said the other day without death penalty for apostasy (leaving Islam) there would be no Islam today.
Islam intolerance.

You see na!

Ifeann:
The guilty are afraid are being questioned.

Yes o!

tartar9:
since its no sin go try it in Saudi Arabia

It shows allahh is wicked. He made it compulsory for muslims to commit adultery and still punishes them for it. What a wicked and unjust god.

malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3,
Number 92:
Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was
asked about things which he did not
like, but when the questioners
insisted, the Prophet got angry.

How is that in Islam, questioning can
lead to losing one’s faith?
Does not this prove that even the right
answers can lead to losing one’s faith in
Islam?
Is blind faith the way to Islam?

Only an information control cult would
discourage anyone from asking
questions. Is it rational to accept any one religion as the true religion without
investigating or questioning it? Surely
not! Therefore, we will continue to question Muslims about the teachings of Islam.

allahh knows by questioning, people's eyes will be opened to the truth. He is talking from experience. Some people left islam by asking reasonable questions.

Did you notice how muslims argue on this forum, even in the face of clear evidences? It is their islamic faith without questioning.

O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith (Quran 5:101-102)

allahh says people should not ask questions to avoid scrutiny. He says some people had once asked and because of that lost their islamic faith.

It means allahh keeps muslims in ignorance to remain in islam (bondage).

Those people who asked questions and discovered the falsehood of islam and rejected it did something muslims on nairaland failed to do and that keeps them in islamic bondage.

I pray for their liberation in Jesus name.