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EzioAuditore:Sensible readers have got my messages. You keep deceiving yourself. |
"e author=Abuamam post=33261906] Now we are jumping to warners and messengers? Look I am not a monkey. I can't keep up with this your jumping all over NL wwith one thread-hundred topics. You are probably a full time tithe collector; I have other things doing. So you understand, I need to ration my responses on NL to topics that purport to make sense. Go beg someone else to come and help you justify your daily bread. Now see, you've made me lose contact with oremussanctus. He is the truthfullest of you all.[/quote]" Defeated and running away! Bye. |
EzioAuditore:Irrelevant question! Nonsense!! Meaningless!!! |
EzioAuditore:Trash! |
EzioAuditore:I have proved to you many times over how islam is a pagan religion. Where did you see sun in the symbol of Christianity? It is in islam you worship allahh the moon-god. Moon symbol is present in anything islamic. My friend, something seems to be wrong with you. You can read but can't understand. You again talk like a baby. With all the ample evidence I have provided, you still could ask '' What makes islam a pagan religion? With rate you are going, it will reach a point where everybody will abandone you as you reason upside down. Smh! |
EzioAuditore:Trash! You can't prove anything you said here from any Christian source. Liar! Which Jesus does your quran talk about, Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus Christ? I have proved many times over from islamic sources that Abraham had nothing to do with islam, allahh lied to you. Quran 34:44] But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners. No menssenger was in Arab before Muhammad, therefore your claim that islam was the religion of Abraham is FALSE. There was no islam before Muhammad, paganism was the religion of the arabs and Muhammad family idol was allahh, which you are trying to convert to the true God. The way allahh was worshiped before islam as a pagan god is the same way he is worshiped in islam. Refer to my earlier islamic evidences. ALLAH IS AN IDOL!!! |
Ifeann:Yes, it is a curse. A pastor friend gave me the bible passage some years ago but can't remember now. |
malvisguy212:Don't mind him my brother. He is only looking for where to hide as all of them are speechless. This time there is no lie to tell to cover up. |
Abuamam:Yes, but the hadith that explains the event clearly like in this thread was not there. I couldn't see your refutal there. Rilwon otherwise known as Rilwayne001 and tartar tried to make some false defence by saying Abraham was not a warner but a prophet. Can you see that lame excuse? What is the difference between a warner and a prophet? Yusuf Ali translation of the quran answers the question: [Quran 34:44 YusufAli] But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent MESSENGERS to them before thee as WARNERS. We can see that MESSENGERS are the same as WARNERS. You can now see the extent your brothers can lie to defend islam. It is true that one has to lie to defend lies (islam). What is next for you now? |
EzioAuditore:What are the similarities? Do the HORUS declare Jesus as Son of God? Do the adherents call themselves children of God? Do they believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Are they expecting the 2nd coming of Jesus? Do they speak in tongues? |
EzioAuditore:All the versions having the same meaning with different styles of English. |
EzioAuditore:After every reasonable person has seen the truth that islam is paganism from the hadith and even the quran. Point to the bible or any Christian source where Christianity is described as paganism. I won't take sources from atheists and muslims opinions and fabrications. Only Christians source as I gave you only islamic sources. |
EzioAuditore:Trash! Caught napping as usual. Muslims who love their souls with not listen to the lies formulated to keep them in satanic bondage. Now you are unable to provide verifiable evidence, the next thing is for you to cover up with abuses. I pity you and your type. |
Abuamam:With that same hadith? Prove you are not a LIAR. |
This is very serious again o! Muhammad is up to anything when it comes to sex. I wonder why muslims still defend him. What do we expect when allah generously empowered him for 30 women a day. Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268: Narrated Qatada: Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, “Had the Prophet the strength for it?” Anas replied, “We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men).” And Sa’id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven) Can you imagine allahh's greatest prophet having sex day and night? Even his followers marveled. |
Abuamam:Lame excuse. Give the link where you had once said something about it. |
Abuamam:No wonder you keep talking and cannot refute the OP. Shameless! |
RoyPCain:Check your quran, Pickthal translation. Others have changed the true translation of the arabic text. Muslims will keep re-translating the quran till it will no more tally with the arabic text or possibly change the arabic text. There are some hadiths I had once seen on online hadith website which are no more there. I don't know why muslims will forever be deceiving themselves. It is terrible. |
EzioAuditore I wanted to just ignore you but it seems the matter keeps coming up and so I have decided to address this issue once and for all.Nonsense! You asked a question and I answered you. Why should you ignore it? People tend to forget that Abraham and Ishmael both preached monotheism to ARAbS and as such you may find some good deeds diluted in madness amongst the pagans. You wanted to knowLie! Lie!! Lie!!! Abraham was never among the Arabs. Both biblical and islamic sources confirm that. Although Ishmael was not in Arabia, but even if he was there, he was too young to know the religion of Abraham. His mother, Hagai was from Egypt who were pagans. That was why the whole of Arabs were into paganism and that led to the building of Kaaba for their 360 idols. Check for more on this: https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca I know you have phobia for clicking a link. Who Allah is? Mind you Allah means God in Arabic but let's just ignore that for nowNobody needs your lies on them. The hadiths I cited are clear enough. We know that the word “Allah” was in use before the time of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). If we read Ar-Raheeq ul-Makhtum we realise that the early Arabs did believe in Allah as the Only God.Let's have your source that is verifiable. What you said here is your own formulation to cover up. You cannot just vomit lies and expect people to swallow it. Smh! This is dated all the way back to the time of Prophet Ishmael (p) who resided in Makkah (Mecca) and learned Arabic as well as settling thereLook at another baby lie here. Learn Arabic from who when a hadith said nobody was in Mecca when Ishmael and his mother got there. Again, let's have your source, verifiable. “Most of the Arabs had complied with the call of Ishmael and professed the religion of his father Abraham. They worshipped Allah, professed His Oneness and followed His religion...”Yet Muhammad had to fight fierce wars to establish islam where people were already muslims. Black lie. What is your verifiable proof? This shows that Allah was known as the Only God, just like the Muslims believe Him to be. Indeed Abraham and Ishmael (pbut) are considered to be Muslims, i.e. those who had submitted to the Will of the Only God, Allah.So Abraham was a muslim in Arabia where he didn't stay. Keep lying! The issue of paganism came into the equation as the Arabs forgot this pure monotheism which was taught by Ishmael and his followers. The idolatry was originated from the actions of a man named Amr bin Luhai, he was known as a devoted and righteous man, well respected by his peers. However, after a trip away from Mecca he saw idol-worship in Syria.Where do you get your fake story. Some people just sat down and think of how to defend islam without authoritative backing. They wrong their own souls. So you can see where the name Abd-Allah came from, and you can see why practices like ihram, praying towards the Kaaba, fasting on Muharram, safa and marwa etc may have originated from. Just like there are christian and Jewish practices that are similar to that of muslims.Don't deceive yourself. allahh himself confirms what they were doing was a pagan practice: [Quran 2:158 Pickthal] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware. SUMMARY Everything you stated are formulated lies by some muslims, who could not provide verifiable proof. |
Abuamam:Smh! If I have achieved my aim, what is wrong in achieving more? As the Lord lives, allahh (satan) shall remain defeated permanently. The secret of the Devi shall not be hidden in Jesus name. I will carry the thread to everywhere on the internet, to open peoples' eye to the falsehood of islam. Lest Satan (allahh) should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices (2 Cor. 2:11). |
truthman2012:Let this be announced to the whole wide world that islam is PAGANISM. |
Empiree:RoPCain doesn't make sense in this forum. Summarize what he said on this thread. |
Abuamam:My friend, don't use diversionary method to derail the thread. You follow everything posted here and couldn't say a word to refute the OP. Smh! |
EzioAuditore:Let me just answer you so that you would not think you have a point even though you are incapable of refuting allahh as an idol. In pre-Islamic days, that Muslims call the Days of ignorance, the religious background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic. Through Moon, Sun, Stars, Planets, Animals, wells, trees, stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make contact with the deity. At Mekka, “ALLAH” was the CHIEF OF THE gods and the special deity of the Quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice; Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegetable life(Quran 53:19-20). These three daughters of Allah were considered very powerful over all things. Therefore, their intercessions on behalf of their worshippers were of great significance. Arabs used to give their children names such as—Abdullah (slave of Allah). Clean proof was the fact that, Muhammad’s father’s name was “Abdullah”. Logical analogy here is—had there been no “Allah” in pre-Islamic Arab, there could be no Abdullah or slave of Allah in Arabia. Now, these are the ways allah and his daughters were worshiped before islam and the SAME THINGS ARE BEING DONE IN ISLAM TODAY AND THAT IS THE SIMILARITIES you asked for: Praying 5 Times Towards Mecca: Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca. Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al- Buraq . In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day. Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their (kusti) prayers at least five times a day having first cleansed themselves by washing ( ablution). So even today, this is not a practice unique to Islam. But, contrary to the Muslims, they pray in the direction of the Sun (at each time of the day) and/or of the Holy Fire (if they are in a Fire Temple). Fasting on the 10th of Muharram: Muhammad's pagan tribe, the Quraish, fasted on the 10 th of Muharram. Though optional, Muhammad retained this pagan practice too. Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the tenth of Muharram) was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura. (Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172) Tawaf between Safa and Marwa: Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelation. Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As- Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158) (Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710) Requirement of Ihram: Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshipping idols during pre- Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah. Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa. (Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706) |
EzioAuditore:This your long post is so irrelevant to mine, which you seek to respond to. I wonder how you think that is a response to my post. You think you can just copy and paste anything? If you are tired, go and rest your brain. The simple points in my post are: 1. Mulaleb, Muhammad's grandfather, Abdullai (meaning servant of allahh) and Muhammad were worshipers of allahh prior to islam. These people were idol worshipers. What was their idol? allahh. It was this same allahh Muhammad was worshiping in Hira when Gabriel appeared to him with the 'TRUTH'. What is the truth? To continue the worship of allahh (idol) as the true God. How reasonable is it to convert an idol to the true God? Anybody with his senses in right order would know it is a clear satanic deception. 2. Muhammad claimed he went to heaven in a night and saw Jewish prophets who you muslims or allahh say they observed 'corrupt' Scripture, whereas he didn't see his jihadists who were martred for allahh. My question is: where were they with their promised virgins? Why would you continue to follow falsehood? |
SHARIAREPORTERS:allahh, an arabian god shall be defeated permanently as the Lord lives. |
Abuamam:Yes, I want to get as many innocent muslims as possible to read it and discover the falsehood of islam. allahh lied to you that it was Abraham who built Kaaba and that is why you face it when praying. Now that you have discovered it was built by idol worshipers to house their 360 idols, still facing it is a deliberate worship of pagan gods. Besides, it was because muslims were erroneously made to believe that Abraham was the builder of Kaaba that gives it legitimacy and the colouration of Godliness. But now that Abraham is out of it, what is left? I want it registered in your conscience that anytime you face Kaaba you are worshiping a Meccan idol. That same idol was worshiped by Mutaleb, who named his son after allahh, i. e. Abdullai, Muhammad's father. Abdullai means servant of allahh because Mutaleb was serving allahh. Was he a muslim? No. Then it shows his allahh is a pagan god, which you are worshiping too. allahh was the god (idol) in Muhammad's family, which satanic Gabriel endorsed as the true God. Muhammad was already worshiping allahh as a pagan prior to Gabriel's endorsement. Now you are following Muhammad to worship his father's idol, calling it the true God. Is there any sense in that? No. When did Mutaleb's god (idol) become the true God? It is still not late for you to accept Jesus if you don't want to roast in hell. Muhammad said he went to heaven (how true?), he could not find any of the muslims who fought and died for allahh there. It was the bible prophets who muslims alleged they observed the 'corrupt' Scripture he found there. Where were those who died as muslims? In allahh's heaven, which the quran said is full of Houris (virgins), he (Muhammad) did not say he saw any of them there. Islam is full of lies. One would think he should have seen the martyrs enjoying the virgins as promised but lo and behold, it is all a lie. May God deliver you from islamic deception. |
truthman2012:No words coming from the muslims. You had better thrown your quran away as you now realize allahh is a Meccan idol. You are welcome to the kingdom of the true God. |
Empiree:It is muslims that are worshiping allahh, the god of Mutaleb, Abdullai and Muhammad, which they lied to you that he is true God. That is why none of you could refute it here: https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca |
tartar9:All you said is nonsense! If adoption was not cancelled but only a change of name, what did that have to do with marrying their wives? What did change of name have to do with breastfeeding a grown up man? Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3424: ' A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man. 'Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn 'Umar (the words are): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed. How is adultery a sin in the sight of allahh, when he said muslims MUST commit it? Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily Allah has fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in, and which he of NECESSITY MUST COMMIT. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look, and the adultery of the tongue is the licentious speech, the heart desires and yearns, which the parts may or may not put into effect. (Sahih Muslim , Book 033, Number 6421 , see also Number 6422). Answer the questions directly and don't tell unnecessary stories. |
Ovacoma:Na so ma broda! There is no refuting the TRUTH. This thread has achieved something: Each time muslims face Kaaba saying 'allahu akbar', something will prick their conscience that they have been taught they are worshiping an arabian idol. |
EzioAuditore:Trash! Cover up. |
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