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debosky:
Don't be daft - it is a clear possibility that he will extend his own reservations to her. Being a christian as a start point for both parties (i.e the same beliefs) poses a far better success chance than starting on opposing sides.
Granted, but it is always better to start from a position of UNITY and hope that stays than start in conflict and hope for a positive end result.

Capital RUBBISH. Where is your stats to support this ridiculous conjecture or is it just to open your mouth like a he-goat and bleat crap?

Infacts stats from the US show divorce rates are higher amongst christians than other groups. So much for your 'UNITY'. I laugh

It's not just the pastors - the parents arenot supportive either. If you can't talk to parents or spiritual leaders, then there is little hope.

So people with dead parents and who dont gossip with their pastors don't get married abi?. . . , right

Hell? From an atheist? Confused ninny.

You can't get the point, the atheism in you has rendered you unable to comprehend.

If your brain hasnt been so addled by religion you wouldnt be thinking of a dungeon where a devil with fork and horns lives anytime the word 'hell' is mentioned.

davidylan:
i really dont understand what the second line is meant to convey. What does it have to do with the OPs case? If you marry a christian and he decides to convert to satanism . . . huh? Is that the issue at stake here?

It doesnt . . . no one ever said it did. But considering this is talking about atheist bfs we're limiting it to this.

Why limit it to that? If u say she shouldnt marry an atheist then surely you gotta present an alternative?

So far ur attempts to persuade her not to marry have been mere conjectures, oh he might change and bla bla bla as if christians arent susceptible to change too. What is the guarantee marrying a christian who give her a happier life?

Do you really understand this you are talking about? YES Christ ate with sinners and thieves but NONE of those he ate with went away the same. YES Rahab was used by God BUT only after she had shown tremendous interest in following the God of Israel.

And what is your conviction that this lady isnt sent to help pull the guy to the lord? How are u so sure the guy will come out of the marriage the same?

What do those things have to do this case?

This is nonsense . . . you quoted the bible correctly for the first case BUT DISHONESTLY forgot to quote that the same bible also admonishes that a believer shld NOT be yoked with an unbeliever.

Paul was talking absolute crap there. Christians should take their bearings from christ and christ was heavily yoked with unbelievers. Christian means christ-like not paul-like

That makes no sense. the bible speaks about remaining in an unchristian marriage only on 2 grounds:

1. That both married as GENUINE christians and one backslid. Well you stay in the marriage.

2. Both married as UNBELIEVERS and one got converted . . . stay in the marriage.

However in the event that a single person is a believer . . . you cannot marry an unbeliever.

That is the issue . . . not all the dross you have said so far.

So what exactly is the difference in the three instances? What is the common denominator if not Unbelievers?

If instance A and B are allowed to be married to and be yoked with unbelievers , what stops and prevents group C?

debosky:
It is risky - so called 'angels' can change into terrors overnight once you are legally his wife.

The problem here is that without him being a Christian, who will you refer to when you have disagreements that can't be resolved? Definitely not your pastor because your boyfriend thinks he is a hypocrite.

The fact is that you took a VERY wrong step in embarking on this 'missionary' relationship - they rarely work out.  

Don't marry him unless you want to run the risk of him changing and deciding you shouldn't be a Christian anymore because of his 'hatred' of religion.

I appreciate your age and the concern that it brings, but you (hopefully) marry only once and you cannot substitute that for anything else.

I think you should leave him - never choose anything above your faith, unless you are not really a Christian. A tough decision with the deep bonds you've formed already, but a necessary one if you don't want to take the risk of losing your soul. If you can deal with that risk, then go ahead.

Another foolish post. What stops a christian angel from changing overnight, start hating religion and prevent her from going to church and worshipping?

EVERYBODY can change negatively christian or atheist! If people are speculating the what ifs then nobody will get married.

As for the pastor argument, thats definately silly. Even some christian husbands don't listen to their pastors when it comes to their marriages, even pastors dont listen to fellow pastors. They consider their marriages personal. So its not exclusive to atheists

So what the hell is your point?

davidylan:
NB: I'm glad this was posted here . . . i responded to the thread in the romance section but it is more appropriate here.

There is growing trend i have been seeing with this new form of atheism . . . it is visceral in its hatred of anything christian, sometimes violent and elicits the worst kind of dislike.

For instance, i do not believe in Sango, but i dont go foaming in the mouth at the site of sango worshippers. Notice these from the OPs boyfriend . . .

This guy must be gold . . . doesnt sound like anything upsets him but then . . .

This looks like an "innocent" kind of anger but is it? why is this guy calm, cool and collected about EVERYTHING else but goes crazy at the mere mention of Jesus?


Satan knows the bible too, far better than the greatest preacher on earth . . . but knowing the scriptures is completely different from living it. Seems your boyfriend knows the bible verses simply as a weapon to denigrate it.

Now to the OP. . .

Quite clearly . . . neither YOU nor your church members understand the bible at all.

You ma'am will only gain temporary happiness with this man. I'm sorry but no man (nor woman) is worthy of losing my soul in hell, faith in Christ and my entire family. Your "prince charming" may be ok with you going to church now but have you ever considered what happens WHEN you eventually become his wife? Would he stand the sight of you and his kids forever hoping from church to bible study, night vigils or prayer meetings? Would you have the freedom of praying in your own bedroom? What will his reaction be when he sees you reading the bible when he wants you doing something else? I think you are forgetting something very important - a marriage where the man and woman are divided on something as major as spiritual compatibility is one headed for disaster and misery for you.

When you have problems in this marriage who will you turn to? the mother, father and pastors you despised to marry your "prince charming"? You say that you are a "strong christian" but NO WHERE in your write-up did i read about you asking God if this man is truly His choice for you. You seem to be carried along by your infatuation for this man. . .

It is said that no matter how rich a young man is, he can never have as many rags as an old man. Your parents love you more than you think, you may be an adult and able to make your own decisions . . . but i'd be wary to marry someone my parents have deep reservations for.

Good luck to you

This absolutely makes no sense.
What stops a christian man from converting to a satanist after marriage? If that happens then what?

All this unnecessary what if, what if, what ifs' doesnt apply to atheist husbands alone.

Jesus ate with sinners and theives, God used prostitutes like Rahab who even became an ancestor of christ. So whats the big deal?

Christianity teaches a woman whose husband is an unbeliever or reverts to an unbeliever should stay in the marraige BUT somehow women aren't allowed to marry unbelievers and those who do aren't christians according to u.

Tell me, whats the difference? Since marrying an unbeliever makes u unchristian, then staying married to one is unchristian too and grounds for divorce, right?

JohnKester:
Tudor

We obviously have two different definitions for human beings. I said human beings who still have their humanity in them, will always believe in God. However, on earth today not all those who have the human form still qualify to be call human because the humanity in them is dead and buried. Such may not believe in God and it is not surprising.

If you consider everyone human who appear in human form, then I will agree with you that there may be those who do not believe in God. However, for me the human form alone does not suffice to make everyone human, therefore there are people which to me are not human. If such do not believe in God, it does not matter because inwardly they are dead!

you're talking rubbish, what is is humanity? What constitutes a man's humanity?

According to your foolish logic a man who demonstrates all attributes of humanity but doesn't believe in God, then such a man isn't human. . . . think again abeg.

Deep Sight:
Finally out with all the lies, huh?

Congrats on coming clean. . . though you will pardon me if i am compelled to take your long-winded excuses with a pinch of salt, given your highly imaginative stories in the past.

My sentiments exactly. That pathological Liar is known for story-telling. If I believe all the crap up there may thunder strike me dead.

Is it any wonder the slowpoke is always apologising? If it isnt trumping up lying excuses to excuse accusing NL males of sexism or misleading people while being a pompous prat, its using multiple ID's and lying about it or apologising for plagiarism.

Its obvious that despicable soul has learnt nothing, apologising, apologising, apologising all the time YET return to do the same thing.
and FRANKLY I DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT ANYBODY'S APOLOGY.

I've got no problem with anyone being a serial liar, dont just be a hypocrite about it. You're a demon possessed liar yet u preach and quote scriptures on nairaland and claim to be spirit filled.

I HATE hypocrites. And its the hypocrisy of so-called christians that proved to me beyond doubt that the 'blood of Jesus' that supposedly washes away sins is as useless as my grandmothers G-string.
How does one explain an apparently 'born-again christain' like mavenbox who cannot free herself from the bondage of lying?

I'm a very practical person and deal with what I see. Most times when I'm approached with this jesus mumbo jumbo, i tell the preachers I want to see the effects of what they're trying to preach in their lives, anything other than that they can go phock themselves. . . Do you wanna know how many have gone on to phock themselves?

Hypocrites have no credibility. Mavenbox/Inesqor/whatever has lost ALL her credibility.

JohnKester:
I can tell you one thing immediately:  there is no such human being that is an atheist or one who does not believe in God.  What we have are people who do not have the inclination to accept the amazingly multifarious concepts of God that is taught in religions.  Each religion paints a different picture of God and incredibly each wants its own concept to be accepted by others and when this does not happen, they brand those who refuse to accept their theories.

Again, what is most frustrating about all these is that each religion tries to monopolise the Almighty, that they alone have access to Him and that only the ways they have prescribed can lead to Him and no other way.  Thus they want to force their opinions upon others.  Strong willed people who still have within them their humanity cannot accept the various versions held out today of the concept of the Almighty.

Unfortunately, the commercialism that religion has become today makes it imperative that each religion have to device means and strategies to capture a chunk of the 'market'.  They do this by besmirching those who do not share their views or who refuse to be drawn into the web of falsehood that is so prevalent today.

In addition, there is so much about life, existence and the Almighty that no religion has been able to explain and so the word 'faith' was coined by them to get people to believe the unbelievables.  They have not been able to explain so many things that are in existence today, for example why people are born into particular circumstances where from the very beginning they are exposed to the hard side of life while others are born with golden or silver spoons.  Why natural disasters happen and why there is so much wickedness in the world today.  Given the number of religious people in Nigeria, the country ought to be the best country in the world to live in.  But the reality today should tell you that what is done in the religions cannot be right because it has not brought us progress.  Clear and deep thinking people usually reject religion and that is what is mistakenly taken to be atheism.

No right thinking human being can reject the existence of God because the whole of creation attest to His Existence.  The very fact that there is creation gives you the proof that there is a Creator.  As a minor example, the very fact that there is a computer is proof that there are computer engineers, technologists, designers, programmers etc. However, it is not in the computer's place to decide to believe in the existence of its creator.  Whether human beings accept His Existence or not does not change the fact.  As everyone knows, creation is a masterpiece of a design in which everything we need to sustain us is provided by the All-Wise Creator.

We all know that everything requires a source of energy to function. Human beings require nourishment, our vehicles require fuel, our industries require electric power and so forth.  Even the spirit require power to live as a spirit.  Ask your boyfriend the Source of the Power that maintain and sustain Creation or does he not believe that we need power to survive.  Listen very well to his explanation of whether power is needed or not, and then the Source of that Power and you will be able to decipher whether he does not indeed believe in the existence of the Creator for He alone is the Source of Power for all creation.

I will stop here for now until you have carried out the exercise and then we can continue when you have the result.

o boy, you're preaching to the choir. . . There are people who don't believe in God, Deal with it!!

@OP,
I assure u, you do not want to be ostrascized by ur family for anything, it doesnt feel good at all.

I'm an Atheist too and I tell u we can be as good and as bad as everyone else.

Not marrying the guy is not an option so the way I see it there ere two ways out.

1. Your parents, pastor and friends become open minded and accept the dude (FAT CHANCE)

2. Your fiancee concedes an becomes a 'christian'. (you'd be suprised how fast he'll become accepted by ur folks after this)

As for option no 2 (which I Think should be the easiest), your fiancee doesnt really have to be christian. He can just 'pretend' to be 'born again'. Lay it on thick about finding the light, being arrested by the spirit and the whole ten yards. Water baptism and speaking in tongues would help his cause too.

The most important thing here is that u have accepted him for who and what he is. That is all that should matter but unfortunately it aint so in Nigeria family and in-laws play a big role in marriage.

Most of my atheist friends did this and Got married and after marriage they went back to status quo. Families in nigeria rant and rave before marriage but after marriage u must stay with ur husband even if he's a ritualist.

Even I as an atheist have 'christian' written on on all my official documents
. Your fiancee shouldnt find this hard to do afterall what does he have to lose?

Either this or u guys break up or marry wiout the consent of ur parents.

There u have it, your options in black and white.

nopuqeater:
At least you are sincere, though I think i is your ignorance that brings this quality in you. ouare honest enough to indicate your primary reason for giving in. Then you are inicating to me that you and he live together. So am going to take it nd be blunt that intimacy is actully involved in all of this.

These two are part of the hallmark body of Christiaity; why cant you people be sincere with yourselvs that you fornicate and have usually a lying spirit when you are trying to gain soul for Jesus? Darn dishonest jihadists.

And 30 is not soo young either, lady. A mere looking at the opposite gender, believed by Christians is in itsef fornicaton, and if you are married adultery. Lady, now marry him and work towards both of you becoming Muslims. At least in Islam, if you looked at an opposite gender just the first time, it is not sinful. You commit sin f fornication or adultery depending on you marital status if you actually copulate.

I will advise yo to live your life as humanly normal as possible, and dont follow the Bible that says you should pluck out your eye if it is the organ that will stop you from receiving mercy. In your own case the whole body would hae been chopped off. I ow give you Islam nd the man your live in lover boyfriend can become muslim in due course, and I imagine his denial of God is that he cant see Hm? Maybe you should ak him if he has any brain in his skull, since no one has seen it in his head.

If you need to contact me write to icncito@yahoo.com

Are u an illiterate? Did u even read the OP at all? Are u brain-dead?

How can a normal human being relate what u wrote to the OP?

Walahi, i just weak as I read ur post.

nuclearboy:
@ Tudor:

Jesoul is not a tyrant. Responsibility brings one to choices that may break the heart to make but must be made. None of us is perfect and I notice that once most anyone becomes a MOD, tyranny becomes a regular complaint. They're human.

Yes She is. There are MOD's who do their jobs with wisdom and tact. Wisdom is obviously lacking as far as she's concerned.

I'm pretty sure this was how Idi Amins friends were convinced their pal was cool.
She has already demonstrated its only her pals who are allowed multiple ID's while every other would be harrased and those who dare speak against this are terrorized. . . Any similarities with Amin, Abacha and Hitler?

Meanwhile, God defines Himself as "I am that I am". Then He provided guidance. Then He made life to work in a manner that reality leads us to truth. Then He sends people who ought be Shepherds. But when the flock decides they want to eat in Lion territory and the supposed shepherd considers himself a paid (men, these guy get PAID) hand rather than "trustee" of the sheep's welfare, what obtains today becomes the case. 

You are right that not all of us are intelligent. But that is by choice rather than design. A banker, engineer, any university or for that matter, high school graduate went to school for 2 things as far as I'm concerned :English and Maths OR RATHER communication and Logical reasoning. If the person refuses to apply these, its his choice, not God's fault.

You're deliberatly choosing to ignore this rigid fact that intelligence and learning faculties varies across board. This is not by choice but a biological variation. Wisdom is scarce as so effectively demonstrated by your tactless MOD friend.

It's not about an engineer, banker or student failing to apply principles rather its about them Understanding the principles in the first place. A kid taught all his life by a drunk teacher that mathematics involves cock-fighting would not be blamed if he whips out a diick to solve calculus would he?

I repeat, we're not born with knowledge of the principles of God and how to deduce this and that from the bible, we are TAUGHT. You take a college prof and a village farmer and ask them to read the bible. In all likely hood the village farmer would have no idea what he just read and as such he needs a guide. Then woe betide him that his guide happens to be a charlatan because according to you he is doomed and will be blamed for what isnt entirely his fault. 

Imagine the dog that decides to hang out in a lion's den - does it exist? I think not as dogs are sharper than that. OR a rat going into a Cobra's den? No way!

This is assuming the dog knows what a lion's den is or the rat knows about cobra's den.

So why is it then humans that drop their right and capability to think and we blame God for it.

we all have the capability to think but not everyone knows HOW to to think rationally

Fhemmy has said it all: life and death, the choice is ours to make individually and finding understanding is our task!

find understanding from where?
How'd you expect a man who has understanding in the first place hence seeking it', understand that the understanding he's got from a pastor is flawed?

Omolulu:
Well they are free to talk, God knows how to handle their kind

Tell God to go feed the hungry kids in ethiopia instead of bothering us typing.

did he say he was going as a representative?he only said the truth, does the constitution force him as a pastor to reveal the nature of his discussion btw him and the president?

Since when did MOG's take moral compass from the constitution?

No one is asking him to reveal any discussion we want to know the state of health of our president. We have that right as the bloke is running OUR country! The Nigerian public have been lied to and taken for granted and Oledepo just helped push it further.

Fhemmmy:
Same God gave His own people what we call freewill

oga fhemmy surely before one even gets to the realm of freewill, he oe she would have to understand in the first place what his/her choices are, is it not?

simmy:
So Oyedepo doesnt have the right not to disclose information he chooses not to, just because he is a xtian leader?

Why doesnt he wanna tell d truth? What exactly is oyedepo afraid of? The bible says we should not fear those who can destroy the body but not the soul but fear he who can destroy both. Why is papa afraid?

noetic16:
I am surprised Tudor is not yet on this thread to discuss his uncle oyedepo

@Post.

I am surprised a lot of people are disappointed in oyedepo's inactions.

Bro, truth is if I say i'm shocked or disappointed and bla bla then i'm a big fat liar.

I was with this guy for the better part of half a decade and know how he can be so tactless and shameful in a fit of anger. He prolly made that statement when he got angry at the journalists. A so called man of God who'll threaten to curse u when angry or would call you and your parents names in a fit of rage is who oyedepo is.

And I remember in proverbs where its stated a man controlled by anger is a fool. And some 'christians' still consider these bloke a wise man.

aletheia:
@Tudor
Where 've you been? Welcome

nuclearboy:
Bro, you beat me to it. W E L C O M E Tudor!

Aye, true friends! Thy welcome is a soothing balm unto my heart.

I've been really busy for some time and decided to pop in today just to have fun with my free time only to be systematically terrorised by a wanna be tyrant.

Either way, thanks for your hearty welcome.

There is a problem here. There is such a thing as voluntary bondage and that is the issue here. If people read, think and act for themselves rather than following others based on hope, the problem we're discussing wouldn't exist. These people believe a prayer by another is the "magic" required in their lives and so keep waiting for the day his anointing is "directed to them". They create the monster themselves.

God has no blame in this as His word point-blank already lets us know "people die for lack of knowledge" and "seek ye out the book of the Lord, read and understand", "for therein is life". I believe part of His integrity is in allowing us make choices which WE PAY FOR. You for example; are you a victim of such MOGs as we call them? Why? BECAUSE you freed yourself. Did God come down to free you? Rather Sir, you used your reason which is the same all have. But just as you used yours, they also reserve the right not to use theirs and the fault cannot be attributed to God!

A lazy unbelieving man wants a miracle for breakfast. A serious person IS A miracle and produces results knowing God is already in support of right which is built by hard-work rather than "magical occurences". All what we are doing here is trying to prick that thing in the minds of people which could set them off on the path to using what you have used.

Honestly, I think you're working under the assumption that we're all intelligent.

This is so far from the truth. I remember in school when I wanted to get out from a boring fasting and prayer session i joined a remedial advanced chem class even when i didnt offer the course.

I succintly remember the prof ranting and raving about neutrons, electrons, rules, laws,principles this and that even went ahead to clearly outline everything. I was even thinking if my elect elect lecturer was this thorough my life woulda been easier. Do u know that after that class, the man gave a very simple test and even I who didnt give a crap and was barely listening got 60% while some people still failed woefully. Much as I tried to figure out how this individuals failed this test i could not.

Have you ever heard where one is so dumb that they fail a survey? There're actually people like that.

You seem to think we out to figure this stuffs out for ourselves but truth is we are not born with reason and 'tought process'. We learn it. We are a product of what we're taught and it takes the bravery of a select few to challenge present knowledge and help shape our understanding. Majority of humanity are learners only a small percentage are searchers.

These individuals have been presented and taught the wrong version of the scriptures. Most were even converted to christianity by these charlatans others became born-again theough them. Now a few exceptionally savy ones might go out and question them but the unfortunate truth is most wont or just cant.

The whole world thought the earth was flat even though the evidences abound that its not. It took the crusade of an intelligent man to point it out. Even at that some individuals still dont genuinely understand why the earth cant be flat.

They think according to what they are taught and even if you open the scriptures they only see what the MOG taught them. And yea you might say, why dont they ask the holy spirit but fact is they prolly dont understand the principles of the holy spirit in the first place or have been taught a flawed idea of the H.spirit.

The same way you look at them and cannot phantom how they choose to remain ignorant is the same way they honestly look at you and fail to understand why u cannot see the 'light'.

A number of them might be the greedy and selfish ones who at all cost wanna take god as their sugar-daddy and ATM but there's no denying there are others just out to serve God and are attracted by such tales as the ones of chris and Adeboye who claim to be so close to God that they eat tea and bread with him. Is that such a bad thing?

Now a God who created the dimwits ought to protect them from the wolves like oyedepo innit? Of what use is a shepherd if he cannot protect his young or naive sheep from wolves dressed as sheeps?

JeSoul:
Tudor you're getting all worked up over nothing.

Yeah rite,

Do you know Alhaji and myself are very very good friends? and that I am practically very good friends with many prominent muslims on NL?

Do I seriously look like I give a damn?

You misunderstood this topic to be an attack, rather than the friendly chiding that it was.

indeed,  Why didnt u 'chide' mavenbox too about using multiple ID's or is the 'chiding' left for only muslims?

You claim I misunderstood your post yet made no possibility that you misunderstood mine and took it personal. Even if i did misunderstand, is it my fault? Or i should have magically read your mind n see oh she's just 'chiding'.

Why not just state it in reply that u  you were 'chiding' rather you just leapt up and deleted my post without as little as an explanation. Like i'm not allowed to epress my opinion.

Nobody likes being dictatorially shutdown like that. We're all human beings and we deserve to know why something is being done to us

I was about to cheerfully welcome you back when I saw your name and I do so now.

Welcome

We aint friends so I can confidently, joyfully, peacefully and with fullness of heart tell you to bleep-off.

This is the last I'll say on the issue so please, I sincerely beg you, move on. Thanks.

This is the last i say on this issue too. I didnt come here to say much but to express my opinion on what I consider your hypocrisy and double-standard
s.

I did that and you started harrasing me.

Either way i'm satisfied because i made my point every other thing and person(s) can go to blazes.

JeSoul:
Its either they are one and the same or nopuqeater is a huge Olabowale fan and a very very good copy cat.



What could be Alhaji's motive for coming back in a new incarnation?

What is this rubbish?
When your 'radical' mavenbox was parading herself as the much more 'radical' InesQor (having two active i.d's at once) where were you to come and rant about ''motive'' and ''incarnation''??

Rather both of you were all-over the forum forming 'brother', 'sister', 'oh, she knows me too well' BS.

Then all of a sudden a MUSLIM appears on the forum you're here raving like ******** ostensibly to ask 'questions' and seek 'truth'.

Abeg carry your sanctimonious. . . . and dump it for dustbin make we breathe fresh air. We are not fooled.

There it is, i've asked my question, let me see how this will be regarded as 'accusation' and 'personal attack'

[quote author=jesus. link=topic=426533.msg5847295#msg5847295 date=1270650708]Madam may god bless u 300 folds. Toba was the first to observe on this thread[b] I DARE YOU TO RESPOND[/b]

But the radical Muslim denied completely and started insulting the poor guy.[/quote]I do not see you deleting this 'insultive' post labelling a respectable guy a 'radical' muslim, You let it off as 'opinion' yet i espress mine and you go haywire, No kidding!

Go siddon jare! I go dey post my shizle.

JeSoul:
^these are the rules you broke:https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-143094.0.html#msg2124599

Keep breaking em' and the admin will have to lock you out.

Oh I see, you've bee made moderator. . . Yes indeed.

Who did I attack personally? I asked you a question where were you when mavenbox was using multiple id's and you called it personal attack. Coz i didnt agree with u and kiss your backside u deleted my post?

I attacked no one, i merely asked a question, expressed my views and called out what i see as disgusting hypocrisy and you had better restore my post.

Where is davidylan and noetic to come see this. So its not only muslims that are guilty of e-terrorism.

Who the hell is deleting my post?
What rules did I contravene or am I not allowed my opinion?


I'll keep posting it until i'm told which rule I broke. Infact i'm taking screenshots as I feel they'll be useful.

All this na wasted talk talk, no action. . . . Where is God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit to checkmate these basterds like Oyedepo and Adeboye? Does he not care about the millions led to hell and suffered by these charlatans?

Apparently Ananaias and his wife were killed by God for witholding part of their offering BUT these men steal from millions of poor people, collude with politicians to ridicule the masses, twist the word of God and tell outright lies against God and the Holy Spirit YET they're growing fatter everyday and I still see their thieving faces around.

Tell me, when will God kill Oyedepo, Adeboye and Oyakhilome so that the body of christ can be saved and millions delivered from 'hell'?

I'll tell you when. . . . NEVER! Because either God does not exist or God dont give a shhite. I'd go for the former and every wise man would too.

^^
Toney I really implore you not to leave, you are a breath of fresh air in this section comprising worthless people whose sole purpose in life is to create multiple ID's on nairaland and their equally hypocritic friends who applaud them.

But seriously, why are all the good peeps leaving? Tarry with us a little longer will ya?

why dont you show me proof that rracial profiling is racist then??after all the overwhelming number of black people that are stopped and searched are most likely to have committed a crime or about to right??

if a policeman targets black people based on their skin colour isn't that racist?
If you cannot prove this and you go shooting-off your mouth and calling him a racist, isnt that libellous?

Listen my friend, i dont deal with misplaced sentiments. Allegations such as bigotry have to backed up with evidence else you're just soiling the reputation of a good man.

I will never stand for any ignoramus out there who accuses others of bigotry without proof.

;Dhmmnnn, your proly right,but hey!salvation is an individual thing so i m sure on the day of judgement i or you wont be answering for whatever might be his or anyone's short comings but ours secondly if he has painstakingly researched,and written books out of his own knowledge [/b]and time then shouldnt h be rewarded for that?so if darren brown is justified to make money from his toil,should a man of GOD be excluded from that rule?

Thanks for verifying that your pastor writes materials from his [b]OWN KNOWLEDGE[/b ].

Silly me. And here was I assuming it was [b]God's Word inspired from heaven given to his children through his messenger. Thanks for clearing that up.

I still await this elusive 'scientific' scientific proof mr genius, since you boasted you debate only with 'scientific proof'. I wonder why its so hard for you.
I'll prolly give you another 4 days to come up with more crap.

GODSON2009:
lol well then so we r agred that either it is either a £20 nokia phone,bb or iphone my point still remains that there was no need for advertisement.dont blame me for thinking the nigerian attitude was shiningthrough because there simply was no need or the announcement,for all i know you might be using a £10 crappy phone after all there is complete anonymity on the internet lol bushman??

i merely stated the truth which was attempts to quote ur your lenghty post was freezing my device which was all the more worsened by the fact that your post contained no substance but empty ramblings.

If i had said it was freezing my computer that in your skwewed world wouldnt count as 'announcement' right?

you,as for the academic you keep on mentioning dont blame me,i suffered for it so if i shout from the roof tops that i have achieved this then with all sense of humility i deserve it and my sleepless nights,migraines will bear me witness. if it is a sore point for you,then simply goback to school after all theres student loans and bursaries as a catalyst,

Noisemaker!!

One admits your senseless post freezes his/her device you scream 'announcement' 'nigerian factor' yet here you are ranting about 'acheivements'. Are you a confused man?



Even Einstein who discovered E=mc2 didnt make as much noise instead a small boy with a degree in 'criminology' where they teach how to babysit convicts is now claiming 'genius'. I tire o.

You have done nothing here to show you even worked for your primary 6 certificate. Every educated infant knows you don't go around accusing others of bigotry without proof.

again i will re iterate that if .you have not learnt anything from my comments then i refer back to the analogy i made about the pebble in the ocean this particular part of your comments have shown that you have absolutely no clue about what is going on around you and i simly cant help you if you r not willing to learn.

oh i've learnt something. I've learnt how to type absolute crap in so many words. . .might come in handy if i ever have a dead brain.

first of all there is direct and indirect racism, it is in all criminological textbooks,it is not my word or creation,second there is unwitting racism or racism with intent,protests such as this comes under both its a mixture of both while there are some people who are genuinely campaigning because they will love the reopening of the cinema in their community the majority protest have racial undertones.

Omg! I keep asking you, WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THIS BOLD STATEMENT?

can you not read? I ask for evidence of a racial motive behind this protest and you keep making baseless assertions
.

If this case where to be in a courtroom is this how you gonna prove your case or did they not teach you in criminology classes?

1.why was the place shut for probably years without a cinema,and they didnt make any effort to re open it?

2.the reasons for their rejection is not the fact that the church will cause a disturbance,but the fact that they want their community cinema back

3.i dot know crystal palace area that much because i dnt live in london,but i can assure you that there will be more than one odeon or amc e.t.c cinemas around their geographical areas

now while these reasons i have given might not be the main reasons,they are compelling reasons which have shown that "as budding academic"(yea i said it again suck it up!!lol) there is more to do with that particular protest than what they are saying i hope you also realise that racism is not in just the way it is shown or what people do,it is more about what people do not do or ignore, if a white person or brown or whatever leaves u sat at your table and serves others it might be as a result of racial prejudice but you might feel its just normal

4 days mr academic, 4 Days! and this is all you could bring to show the people of c.palace are racists.

Its clearly stated in the article that
1. There is limited parking space in the area.
2. A congregation of 1400+ would cause congestion.
3. Such congestion would discourage people from shopping in the area, this leads to loss of economy.
4. A church adds no economic viability to the area.
5. The protesters would like the premises to maintain its official status as a 'public and leisure' building.
6. A cinema also entered the bidding process to get the building but was outbid by KICC.
7. The residents mainly prefer the cinima company to be given the building as it'll both preserve the original use of the property as well as adding economic viability to the community.

Now, HOW DOES THIS MAKE THEM RACISTS??

whats the difference between this and a group of individuals who protest that a disco hall had won and been awarded a property instead of a grocery store company - which woulda created alot of jobs and commerce - who came second in the bid? I guess according to ur almighty wisdom they're racists too?

my dear sister,you have again over simplified the issue here,this is not the way my own mind works,if you r thinking this way then why dont you show me proof that racial segregation was wrong??

This is silly, are we talking about right and wrong here?

I simply asked you to show there's a racist motive behind this protest and you're bleating off topic.

why dont you show me proof that r

Mhismole:
Ok, so i got a blackberry tour 9630, but tmobile has refused to configure its service book entries cos i didnt get it from them. hence i cant get internet altho i paid for it. Is there any other way i could do this?

why dont u try another provider, i neva liked tmobile for anything. But if you're so particular about tmobile then sell ur bb tour to bb crazy nigerians and get one from tmobile. The bb's from tmobile are subsidised n hence cheaper right? The only drawback is they're locked.

Why would someone spend their hard earned money on a BB pearl? You guys should please research the specs of what you're about to splash over 40k on and see if they match your needs not just buying one for eye candy purposes.

To have a bb without BIS is totally useless. Besides Most of the bbs don't even have 3G capabilities and they all come with a crapy camera. Ditto for the iphone (camera aspect)

[quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=420731.msg5780791#msg5780791 date=1269723337]Because the censorship board in Nigeria may not allow it and if he continues to violate their orders by letting people use the languages they banned, NCC will clamp down on Nairaland. We do have a government in this obodo Nigeria in case you don't know.[/quote]this is the dumbest excuse i've seen in support of the word sensor.

When did the NCC give any order and somehow it has become the job of the nigerian government to regulate how words like bre.as.t, to.to, puszy and see.x are used on the internet. . .am i being punked?

maedan:
Lol, I've not really known kosovo so I can't say anything on him. But I think every one has a freedom to promote the wonderfulness of Nairaland, just as we have the right and freedom to be the still, dissenting voice once in a while. Funny enough I really do kind of like Nairaland like a little, teeny weeny bit, don't you?ROTF .

girl, you dont know kosovo? The dude is legendary with the way he embarrasses himself on this forum. . .what is shocking and diabolical is he's got no iota of shame. Check out his typical thread below

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-408832.0.html.

I mean, how  does a normal human being show his face proudly after such dressing-down?

And yea, i love nairaland too nevetheless we should all be allowed to express our opinions in support or not.

[quote author=~Borat~ link=topic=420731.msg5780934#msg5780934 date=1269724776]My sister,
well said
A thread started in the wrong section and subsequently derailed
I comment and its promptly deleted

Kosovo's Threatning to ban me!!!
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Go Ahead!!![/quote]i laugh too! The sycophant has deleted three of my posts already and i promise to keep posting them until i'm told which rules they violate.

BTW, who dash am power to ban? Or is that why he started this thread- to persuade seun to give him bannig powers?

kosovo:
@Tudór . . . I am sorry this thread is for lovers and supporters of Nairaland only. . .Your post had to go because it has no reason to be here. . . M sorry!

provide the reasons backing them up with relevant sections of the rules. If not i'll keep posting it.

kosovo:
@Tudór . . . I am sorry this thread is for lovers and supporters of Nairaland only. . .Your post had to go because it has no reason to be here. . . M sorry!

excuse me? Because i spoke the truth by saying the member count of this forum is exaggerated, flawed and not representative and called out this thread for what it is - a disgusting attempt to suck-up to seun- you deleted my post?

Saying the bloody obvious has now made me an 'enemy of nairaland'? Yet two individuals fighting off-topic had teir posts untouched becoz they're 'friends of nairaland'. Are you kidding me?

Where in the forum rules did it say i'm not allowed the express my views 'lover of nairaland' or not? OMG Does seun test the IQ of moderators or he just likes them low?

Its either you show me what rules i violated or you better restore my post. Fast!

maddock:
@ zabutt
God bless you for making my day, this is best gift i have ever gotten from someone i dont know.

@ tudor
See your life, if i were you i would immediately commit harakiri.

key learning Point:
This is to teach you all a bitter lesson to believe in your country inspite of its weaknesses,i am so tired of people seeing the cup as half empty instead of half full.Nigeria being  bad and corrupt is stale news, so do we all kill ourselves because a few bunch are giving us all bad names.All genueine business chap this is an opening for you guys unlike the bad belle people in this forum tudor etal

like i said before, you can keep on ranting. If you choose to ignore a potential pitfall in your journey to heaven, its entirely your business if you fall into.