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PunterTim:
Isn't it obvious already.

That she has the desire,guts and 'positive' character to go through with this tells a lot about her personality.

I like me a beautiful,confident,dangerous woman!

You obviously don't read a person by words like i do!

She didn't even claim beautiful for herself. Confident I can't gainsay, and dangerous? I'd agree, but probably not for the same reasons. And I read her all right. Objectively.

purple3091:
lol,your questions reminded me of 50cents song 21 questions

Nice try, but you trolling jor...

Anyway, you are wasted on me. You should set up shop and advice beautiful women like Toke and Anita who are struggling to share one averagely fit, decidedly plain and largely broke broda between them. And her's you with 4 and counting....


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yetseyi:
OKay but how do the exceptionally nice health workers in GHs do it. I have met a few that are very professional and I can't help but wonder if its not the same public health system.

They get paid accordingly. Money answereth...


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^{...wifey came in once and laughed at his accent, I chased her commot for kitchen, as in eh?...I'm not even conscious of the accent, just the content. I'm actually thinking of retrning whence I came...to the religion thread.}

purple3091:
attractive,muscular(which naturally comes with youth and is better in men) is of high pedigree if one looks at the physical qualities solely.i see both physical and economical as desireable,that's why am married to a man that is economical stable(enough for me to be a housewife,which i am doing),and i get the physical qualities from others.This is a model that works for many women married to older men,and who know their options.good day

So, you are a housewife who has 4 children by 4?? different men?

1. Are you not desirable enough to get both physical and economic attributes "solely" in one man
2. Is your husband party to this option you have decided on?
3. Was he complicit? Does he know the children are not his, or that he shares his matrimonial bed as it were?
4. Are you children aware, or do you plan to tell them of their lineage?
5. Are neither these men or their families concerned about their offspring?

Could you explain how this model works pain-free please. I see some people are in agreement with this .

PunterTim:
Advocate of beautiful perfect re-creation.
Would like to give you my seed,that's if you don't mind baby number 5!

Won't you first of all check that she's the quality of woman you would like to bear your seed ?


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yetseyi:
I do understand the pressures of working at a GH (it can be very terrible to be honest) its just that we expect better from our health workers, one should be able to control some things to a reasonable extent.


_{Morning Oga TV I am not really surprised , bro Gbiles messages are not really pleasing to the ear to a lot of hippy/modern Christians, Its for those who want in-depth exposition of the scriptures}

I'm sure many start with idealistic aspirations to really make a difference - then they jam the system . In some ways it's probably coping behaviour.

I'm sure some of the things they see will be heart-rending and they wouldn't be able to function, or function at best, if they let the softer skills get in the way, or try and remember those little touches .


TV

^{...abi. Some of those messages are like 2 hours . I mostly listen whilst cooking on Sunday evenings.}

purple3091:
umm...a woman doesn't need to be beautiful(or give other values like monetary etc,like men) to get physically intimate with attractive men,infact am average.

Correct. Sex with women should be very high value relative to sex with men, so women do not have to be outstanding to get men to have sex with them.

And correct again, women can sometimes, offset, compliment or replace beauty or physical desirability (the main thing men look for) with other values. However, I refer to marriage, or at least child-bearing.

purple3091:
anyway decency(if you are talking about morals) in men is unfounded generally(saying this in regards to your line about the younger men having to be descent).a woman hardly has to try,its great the only thing a woman would have to try for in an attractive man,on average/in general,is a relationship,and since am already taken i don't care.as the old man brings in the cash,i get the muscular,strongest,peak quality body(as well as seed) from my lover(s),its the best of both worlds

Attractive, and even muscular, does not mean decent, moral, or of high pedigree. For a start, no decent & moral male of high pedigree would want just anyone bearing his children. Neither would he want them raised without him being in situ, or by another man.

So we differ on that point. If you see only physical characteristics as desirable or important, that's fine,. but you have not met the pedigree, morality and decency criteria I set. And you have already denied 3 of your 4 offspring their right to know their lineage .

purple3091:
AND,it's not trolling,its talking/referencing your last point about women being bind because of the whole younger men vs older men,when choosing etc

Even if it's not trolling, as I noted, as a model, it will only be successfully obtainable by a very few - statistically insignificant number of - women. The factors to juggle are too many, as are the potential negative outcomes.

You can ask our resident women here if they have the wherewithal to even consider it . And what may possibly be obtainable by a handful of women, is pretty much standard for numerous men - even in cultures that abhor it. Abi no be babymama'ism dey trend?

And by older, I don't necessarily mean huge age-gaps, it's more about status and being established, or on track to realise obvious potential.


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TheArchangel:
Nigerian nurses are the products of Nigerian environment.

Absolutely. Wifey' sister is HR manager for a large London hospital, she's always regaling us with stories about how the Naija nurses are always being reported and up for disciplinary action due to their poor bedside manner .

When we had TVJnr, I swear the place was like Agege . Most of the nurses, even the lead one, were all Nigerian. Especially night shift - they love night shift . Lots of the patients sef...my socialite MIL - as ever - struck up convo with the lady in the opposite bed, turns out we "know them". We even had visitor mix-up

"Right", I thought we are moving - we already had technically, the house thing just took like 7 months instead of 3 so we missed it for his birth. Nice leafy suburbia. What did we find when our daughter came along? Almost all the Dr's were Naija...even the lead ObyGyny? Barely a year later I met the Dr who delivered her at a party? Reverse colonisation .

Apologies for derailing jare...just feeling the boy this morning

yetseyi:
Not just nurses, a sizeable amount of the health workers in a our general hospitals are inconsiderate and lack empathy.

Very common in government hospitals.

Where the conditions and environment are probably harsh for workers and patients. The nurses, as are everyone else, just products of this.


TV

^{Morning yetseyi, how far? I've been watching YouTube videos of Bro' Gbile. I'm quite surprised about the low number of views. Some barely make a 1'000 - and I listen to each one at least 2ce}

purple3091:
the only women that are in a bind are ones who cant/wont think and do intelligently.i choose the best of both worlds :am married to an older man + have affairs with younger men(eveb 3 of the 4 children were sired by the younger ones)...younger men are more physically attractive than older,the only thing older men have are economic 'attractiveness'.i mean women are the desireable and attractive sex,never have to give monetary value for sex etc no matter age.

And this is "doing intelligently"
And you repeatedly managed to get decent high value younger men to father your children

Sounds like a model. Unfortunately, you'd have to be beautiful, high achieving, sexy by the bucket-load, and a whole host of other things to make it work for you.

But if you were, you would get the man of your spec, and wouldn't need to do this. And unfortunately, only 0.0000000000001% of women have both the qualities and the will to try this. In fact, if you had the qualities, you wouldn't need to try it.

Nice trolling attempt though


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wapu:
Hi TV I've read some of your post and you seen very knowledgeable.

I have marital problems I'll like to share with you if you don't mind.
I don't want to bring on it online. I'll prefer someone I don't know.

I sent you a DM kindly reply.

Hi wapu, thanks for the compliment. As a rule I don't. You can mention me in an old post and I'll find you there. Best, TV.

sisisioge:
Even though the bobo in question is worth fighting for, I dont want that kind of drama in my life. So leave him alone!

No. You don't fight for a man, that fight might not end. He fights for you, that's why he's a man, and that way you are covered.

sisisioge:
May God bless you with a good man.

May your prayer redound to you.


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IAmOged:
That research is flawed....
its should have been renamed effects of poor upbringing of male children into sissy and messed up immature wierdos dis morderntimes....main theme of this our arguments....
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A male child of 25 or less, brought up in the right path of masculinity would boxed down any matured woman of any maturity age ....
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Prehistoric times, even in the Bible times shows young men lording and displaying more maturity over aged mature women .
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I wouldnt be surprised if this so called research was taken in d lands of moderntimes distortionists....
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we know where these societies are heading to...failed relationship,failed marriage everywhere...they are all fvcked up in their own binding...
its a stupid research..

Your head dey dere . Exactly as I noted.

Even if the research is right, they are looking at the outcomes in males and indicting them, instead of the root causes. Women are repulsed by older men. How many girls will date their age mates?


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bukatyne:
Well you just proved her right.

The age range is just to bridge the immaturity gap then...

And not all the problems in this world is as a result of 'inequality'...

Some women are just repulsed by older men!

No...the age gap is for two main reasons - which as it where are intertwined;

1. Biological - women typically reach full maturity earlier than men, it's natural.
2. Social - men need the additional time to "establish" themselves". Note how they are rarely ready for marriage as early as women. And women tend to marry up.

So the maturity or lack of, is for two main reasons;

1. Same as above which is natural - if you can become a mother at 13/14, you need to know whats up.
2. Socially as outlined previously - men are being feminised, not being initiated into manhood, and encouraged to prolong their pubescent years.

Many of the issues in the male/female dynamic are due to the ruptions caused by the drive for equality/sameness. Women are repulsed by older (more mature) men, and at the same time turned off by younger (immature) men - there are in a bind then are'nt they


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ItsQuinn:
A study into the differences in maturity between genders revealed both men and women agree men remain 'immature' well into their late 30s and early 40s.

But the average age at which women mature emerged as 32.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10111993/Men-grow-up-at-43-11-years-later-than-women.html

This is only an issue - where it exists for a number of reasons, inter-alia;

1.Men are no longer being raised with the early stage initiation rites that were designed to accelerate manhood and responsibility.
2. Worse still, boys and girls are being raised in like manner, with the emphasis on femininity, hence adversely affecting boys.
3. Men are being taught to please women by trying to please women, when what pleases women is men being unrepentantly masculine
4. Equality drive making women think they should marry men of similar age, when historically, a decent gap was best (half mans age +7 rule)

This answers all your posts on this thread this morning .


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DarkRebel101:
“A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee” — Psalm 91:7

I take it you know the predicate to this blessing? The foundation upon which it rests, the font from whence it springs?

Psalm 91 1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust....

Your writings clearly show that you don't have an altar or are constantly seeking His face, or in His presence. Let alone that you place your faith and trust in Him. You neither believe God, nor The Word, nor the scriptures.

You demonstrate classic behaviours of antisocial personality disorder. Scheming, lying, you are manipulative, calculating, narcissistic, a lack of remorse, impaired cognitive function, a tendency to immorality. Little time for accepted social norms or levels of conduct.

All the while pretending to be an exemplar. You may pretend, but the mask will always slip. Perhaps that's why you carouse so effortlessly with the amoral amongst us. Blasphemy comes easy doesn't it? Repent and seek healing.


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oieda:
It seems you do not get the point of the last post I made to you.

Let me put it another way. So you are saying you follow to the letter, every single instruction given by the teachings of your religion? Without fault? If yes, then I may say this post I quoted is valid. Else, what you believe is different from what your religion says in that area you have fault. What you believe in and what you do is very connected.

I believe every teaching in my Christian faith about relationships between men and women, marriage and divorce. I also understand them, embrace them, fully agree with the practical reasons and spiritual implications, as well as live and preach them.

Is that clear enough?


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missjo:
LOL, I'm tired of that boy. On that thread I'm sure you saw the screenshot I posted.
Guess what? All but one of the hidden posts on that screenshot came from different usernames because each one kept getting banned. He bragged in one hidden comment by telling me he's going to keep typing nasty things to me and if he gets banned, he'll log on with another account to continue. All this was after he got so upset with me because I kept tagging the mods, and he even asked me why I keep involving the mods.

This child keeps asking for proof when he very well knows he's guilty (talk about someone with a serious case of behavioral dissociative disorder ), and he's not ashamed about it at all to still have the guts to type my username here. SAD
After all the vitriol and insulting words he meted on me, this boy had the guts to still hit on me (with boldness) and then thought I would lick up those juvenile pick up lines which I last heard when I was in high school. Such a thirsty little worm.

The only people who take him serious probably know absolutely nothing about him, and I'm disappointed it's usually ladies who should be able to see through it that fawn over him.

From the very first time I came across his post on this forum, I instantly sensed something wasn't right even without knowing anything previously about the user.
The comments were too long, filled with unnecessary fancy words, and he kept making use of the word immature to denigrate any opinion that's not in line with his, thereby giving the impression he is the mature one. IT WAS A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO WIN THE HEART OF ANY WOMAN READING IT and that's where the red signs showed.
Too deliberate, too obvious, too thirsty, and by the time I came across his subsequent posts, I saw through it all.

I did 0! I saw the initial gra-gra before I logged off, then the rest the next day. Frankly the boy is either disturbed and/or a scammer - one can't read 2 consecutive posts of his without sensing that. In saner climes his behaviour would have been considered threatening.

Psychosis interspersed with some good points and lucid moments. Like most nutters I suppose . Let's see the "right-on" people following him - oops, the usual suspects . Funny how many that hate me love scammers.


TV

Fervent Catholic, devout Christian my hairy bottom

francis18:
AND THE SISSY LITTLE BOY WENT TO REPORT ME TO THE MOD TO HIDE THE POST THAT EXPOSED HIS POLYMONIKER. THE MANY MONIKERS HE USES TO LIKE HIS OWN POSTS.I WAS HERE AND RECORDED AT LEAST 9 GHOST MONIKERS THAT ARE NOT ACTIVE AND THE THREE OTHERS HE ADMITTED TO OWN.
I KNEW THIS BOY WAS A COWARD.YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED.7 MONIKERS BELONGING TO ONE PERSON.FROM RAP SECTION, ROMANCE TO FAMILY.

Don't worry, he can't go - maybe we will commot pant, from another scammers nyash today, today . Funny how it's usually our empowered NL women that fall under their sway .

IAMOged is totally right here - https://www.nairaland.com/3482015/how-women-form-opinion. Too many women are dangerously prone to being led by feelings.

Anyway sha, na since Eden. They just need a serpent - 1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, because she was fully deceived, fell into transgression.

francis18:

A FOOL WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A FOOL. HE SEEKS ATTENTION AND VALIDITY FROM POTENTIAL SCAMMERS WHO ARE THE OLD DESPERATE BIMBOS OF THIS FORUM.HE FEELS THE NEED TO JUMP AT ANY POST HE THINKS HE CAN GAIN THEIR ATTENTION.HE WRITE TOO MANY INCOHERENT AND USELESS NONSENSE GRAMMAR JUST TO TRY TOO HARD AND THEN KISS THESE WOMEN ASSES.ANY DISCUSSION THAT DOESNT CONCERN HIM,HE WILL JUMP AT IT TO PROVE A POINT.A TEENAGER THAT HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN THE FOUR WALLS OF UNIVERSITY.AFTER BEING CHASED IN RAP AND ROMANCE SECTION FOR HIS SCAMS,HE IS NOW HERE FOR THESE BRAINLESS BIMBOS WHO GET ATTENTION FOR THIS IDIOT.NO WONDER SIENA WAS ABLE TO FOOL MOST OF YOU HERE, ANY MAN WHO SEEMS TO BE MUMU AND WOMAN DEFENDER NOT KNOWING THEY ARE WORSE IN REAL LIFE BUT TO GET TO YOUR PANTIES IS THE ONLY WAY.

HE SAID HE DOESNT LIKE HIS OWN POST?I STAYED HERE AFTER MIDNIGHT WATCHING THIS TEEN LIKING HIS OWN POST, AND EACH TIME THERE IS A STRANGE MONIKER VIEWING THE LIKES KEEP GOING UP,THEN I GO GOOGLE IT,NO POST FROM THOSE MONIKER LITTLE DID I REMEMBER TO SCREEN GRAB THEM.NOW THIS IS PATHETIC,THIS BOY IS SICK AND HUNGER WILL MAKE HIM DO ANYTHING TO GET THESE BIMBOS ATTENTION.HE IS DESPERATE AND HOPELESS.FOAMING ANYWHERE A WOMAN MATTER IS INVOLVED.A BOY THAT HAS NEVER WORKED IN HIS LIFE, NEVER PAY RENT,NEVER BEEN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD EXCEPT HIS OLD PAPA RUSTED HOUSE BUT THINK HE KNOWS MORE THAN ANYONE HERE.HE EVEN HAVE THE GUT TO SAY HE STAYED LATE FOR SOME OFFICE WORK HOW CAN A HUMAN BEING STAY FROM 8 AM TO 2 AM THEN WAKE UP AGAIN 9 AM TO 1 AM AND THE CIRCLE CONTINUES FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING THAT HE IS A USEFUL FELLOW.

COME AND FOAM AS USUAL AND RIDICULE YOURSELF MORE, LOSER.I KNOW WHENEVER YOU LOG OUT,YOU FEEL WORTHLESS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE.A LONELY,WORTHLESS,SCAMMER,ATTENTION SEEKER TEEN BOY.

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ColinAdua:
See TV,
You cannot come to the thread or discussion arena of someone who believes that marriage, wife and children are an unnecessary burden, hence unnecessary in this present era of horrible distress, who also believes that married men are FOOLISH, in fact very foolish and not expect him/her to SLIGHT MARRIAGE and co.

So get used to it. That one is not talk!

Hmmm! See its cheer stupidity not to vote candidate B, if candidate A is bad, cos its merit or demerits that makes one good or bad.

Good day!

But your beliefs about marriage are just that beliefs, not facts, or a sure prescription. And they can, and have been falsified by married people. In the same way that single people have also falsified your beliefs about singleness by wanting to be married.

I personally testify of the blessing and goodness of marriage, and also against singleness, having tried singleness and not enjoying it, finding marriage so much more fulfilling. And I'm sure some - such as yourself will see it in reverse.


TV

^{...voting for candidate a who is bad, but perceived better than candidate b is still a fail. Vote for neither or find candidate c.}

DarkRebel101:
This is the only part of your post worthy of a reply. The rest were no different from tirades of a juvenile teenager.

Ascribe to it what you will, I repeat you are no Catholic and never a Christian. Evidence of everything I said abounds in your posts. I only ever speak truth - no matter who squirms in their own soiled underwear . Are these the writings/words of a believer?

DarkRebel101:
Score who? Ladies like you? Where have you ever seen me trying to score any lady beyond the superficial gibes and teases? I told you that you're delusional and out of your mind. I have lots of babes with benefits offline, online babes are not my thing.

The charge here is lying, not fornication, we know you have 0,000,000.00 trillion babes .

DarkRebel101:
Do I have to buy you a candy? A tiara? Take you out for a nice dinner? Give you a chaste kiss until your cheeks are smitten with weights of a smarting dimple? Or do I need to go for broke by giving you a Donald-Trumpalingus?

Vulgar, vulgar, vulgar. Not sophomoric, not juvenile, not babyish, simply thuggish & insensate

DarkRebel101:
Poly-monickerer, liking his own posts, e.t.c...I've already told you that you suffer delusions of grandeur and are largely insecure, and surely must think I consider you important enough to through all that trouble.

Recently proven by MissJo on this thread;https://www.nairaland.com/3474720/between-immature-young-guy-older/3#51285909, and obvious from even a cursory look at your posting patterns. Even self-confessed ;

DarkRebel101:
Iamwestafrican was only one of the 2 or 3 alternates, not many.

DarkRebel101:
I've always maintained that whoever is uncomfortable at something as footling as internet likes and shares, and his only explanation is that his opponent must be giving it to himself, then that person embodies pettiness and must be far removed from reality. I thing you need a break off social media. If you want the likes to stop then you would need to have a round discussion with my followers and those who agree with my post(s).

Silence, you've been outed repeatedly. And I have way more haters than you have followers. Process that

DarkRebel101:
I'm a fervent Catholic (not a perfect one), I may be flawed and I may not accept all that the Bible states as the Gospel truth, but that's only because I place higher valuation on personal spirituality (which you aren't privy to), and I'm still better than you because unlike you I'm not self-righteous, hypocritical and judgemental—all of which which Christ stridently reproached the Pharisees for.

You are not a Christian...can you take time to listen to yourself . "You don't believe the gospel is the gospel truth". You claim Christianity, but you have a "personal spirituality". Why would I want to be privy to a belief system that can't proudly declare itself to the whole world .

As I told you, if you reject any part of the bible, you tacitly reject the gospel as the latter rest on the former and together they make a whole. The Lord Jesus affirmed it, so you cannot claim belief in Him and reject the scriptures. John 5:39 "You pore over the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, yet they testify about Me". Everything from the 6 day creation, to the consummation. And intellectually it, is dishonest to at once claim it and disbelieve it.

And you are better than me? Again, you fail to understand Christianity...it's about Christ and who you are in Him, and Him in you, not judging yourself against others. Having said that, no, you are not better than me . God-fearing husband and father...faux boyfriend

DarkRebel101:
You make false accusations on Nairaland (e.g I like my own posts), you curse and abuse people and use foul language, you are pretentious and overly judgemental. (and only God knows what other nefarious activities you engage in offline) – a good Christian ought not to do these things. If you dropped dead now, are you sure to make heaven? Do away with this sanctimonious attitude, it's the biggest problem Christianity faces today and what repels non-Christians.

1. You do like your own posts, and it is evident - and cringingly pathetic
2. Show me where I have cursed and abused anyone? And anyone who didn't initiate it or willingly join the fray
3. Show me where I have used foul language and I'll deactivate. As if in any event, someone who uses the term "Trumpalingus" could accuse me on that score
4. It's the Holy Spirit that convicts of sin, righteousness and judgement. Those who are repelled simply refuse to countenance their own fallen state.
5. Christianity has no problems, it's those that refuse to accept the light of Jesus Christ that have problems - whatever they label themselves

DarkRebel101:
Research has shown that those who act like they are holier than others are usually those found wanting.

Which research is this - amongst followers of personal spirituality and happiness seekers ? The bible says Psalm 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion .

DarkRebel101:
At this age it's hard to believe you are still as mentally mature as a ten-year-old is. I can only pray and hope that the wisdom of God locates you in good time, until then I'll leave you to your folly.

God doesn't hear the prayers of proud and boastful fornicators...sorry liars Proverbs 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

DarkRebel101:
Do not quote me again. If you do, you would be ignored. I'm done bandying words with an adult who has refused to grow up.

So? I'm a youthful adult . You are the very essence of a de-natured male. Chromosomally XY, but in being, eviscerated of everything masculine. A "try hard", and most tragically of all, it's to seek the validation of women?

And no, you don't have a girlfriend, or "lots of friends with benefits". You have a visibly miserable existence which you try and fix with a pathetically bogus online persona. I've always pitied you.

But my pity is not redemptive. Repent...and apologise for the foul and vulgar language with which you've desecrated this board. Stop overcompensating with your mis-use of words and scrabbled bloviate.

I applaud the effort and if there is any honest intent, but a true wordsmith never loses sight of artfully and humorously communicating, and a principled man is never vulgar.

"Awon Daddeee wa "


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ColinAdua:
But its not the target of this thread, so there's no need understanding and accepting that some men are crazy about marriage. The sole essence of this thread is to promote singlehood. Anything about this thread is about the superiority of singleness.


Thank God, you noticed that it was a response. Which means I didn't attack first.

This wasn't your main intension. Your main intension is that "none of my reasons is right enough". By choosing singleness am already denigrating marriage and married men.

Then please why were you so uncomfortable as to label me bitter, cos I rejected your values? You even went ahead to call me valueless that I judged your children only by their pictures. When its only their pictures that you showcased.

Colin, please calm down. Champion singleness all you please, for all, any, and even for no reason if you so desire. But no need to denigrate marriage, married men, women and children.

Like I said, don't vote for candidate b because candidate a is bad, vote for candidate b on their own merits.

Have a pleasant evening.


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IAmOged:
DARKREBEL...in proving his "BUGOGU BANGO" sissy lifestyle-gallery, he keeps on wallowing in his piggydirth he tried so hard to escape-always contradicting himself.....
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Sir TV i think its a waste of time answering and lecturing these subjectively flawed moderntimes distortionists...

A poly-monickerer who likes his own posts, a de-masculinised man who labours for sniffs, and a fervent Catholic who slavishly courts and agrees with those who denigrate Christianity. It doesn't get any more effete than that .


TV

^{...Crackhaus, where are you? Your yard dog is foaming again}

...prepare for yourself for nuclear "ist" missiles & best get a handkerchief for the saliva .


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DarkRebel101:
(N.B: I'm a Christian -- a fervent Roman Catholic Christian at that).

DarkRebel101:
I haven't had sex with my girlfriend for four weeks now. It's not that our libidos have taken a minor detour or that the flames of intimacy have begun to wane; it's just that we are preoccupied with work and our relationship transcends sex.

No, you are not a Catholic...

DarkRebel101:
There are no heads or tails in relationships, there are only equals. My belief anyway.
Bible-thumping enthusiasts are perennially on the qui vive to adduce a grab bag of scriptural verses to shore up their assertions that men are the head and women should submit unconditionally, but it never trips their analytic red flags that the Bible never fell like manna from Heaven, and was matter-of-factly written by flawed men, men like you and I , and in an era where male chauvinism was the norm in practice.
Let us not even talk about the individual cognitive biases that must have manifested in the writing of the Holy Book.

John 10:35 - (Jesus speaking) If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),

2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

You cannot be a Christian and call the Bible flawed. If you reject anything, from the 6 day creation, man created fully formed, the flood, the virgin birth, the death and resurrection, from beginning to end, the gospel fails, and your faith becomes pointless.

That makes you the slave, as you claim to follow a faith whose scriptures you call flawed, and whose saviour you reject. Not only are you the worst kind of slave, your internal logic is akin to that of a hamster on a wheel.

TV

^{…and the bolded shows you have almost certainly never been in a relationship come talk true…you are not even a boyfriend are you}

Pidgin2:
Those Jewish sons of a Priest decided to use the name of Jesus to deliver people as Paul was doing because it was working for him. Jesus honors his name by performing signs and wonders through those who are genuinely called.

I can't help if you refuse to accept the clear reading of scripture. One can perform signs and wonders and still not make heaven. Signs and wonders do not indicate right standing in and of themselves.

One can perform signs whilst being lawless. And one can be righteous and perform none; John 10:41 Then many came to Him and said, “John performed no sign, but all the things that John spoke about this Man were true.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Pidgin2:
If you read the book of Acts, you will discover that you cannot use His name for miracles, signs, and wonders if you are not genuinely called.

Again, this is clearly repudiated by the scripture above. But to give it more depth;
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

1. Even if you are called and you live a lawless life (sin disobedience), you can still perform miracles
2. The Lord can answer and use someone who is none of His
3. The enemy and his agents can also present as angels of light and perform wonders
4. Believe the truth and not a lie, or delusion may await...

Pidgin2:
In the scriptures you quoted, those false preachers were deceiving people and claiming they were performing deliverance through him but He countered it, it was a lie and he called them evil doers. No one can genuinely perform miracles in His name without his consent and approval. You need to study the scriptures before trying to argue, learn first.

I believe I've answered this, you can accept, reject, or show otherwise

Pidgin2:
How can you say I don't know that there were any miracles when I have researched on this issue extensively? Even medical science recognized that they were authentic. God will not honor His name through someone who is not doing His will. If it was so, we would have all been performing signs, wonders and miracles too.

God can honour his name and choose to do His works through any vessel He chooses. He is after all God no

Isaiah 45:1 [ Cyrus, God’s Instrument ] “Thus says the Lord to His anointed, To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held— To subdue nations before him And loose the armor of kings, To open before him the double doors, So that the gates will not be shut:

Romans 9:17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”


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Pidgin2:
Yes, but it was due to the culture of the Jewish people. But despite this you had women like Deborah who was a prophetess a judge. The Samaritan woman who evangelize.

The Jewish culture certainly pre-figured and to a large degree fed into Christianity, but one does not need the Torah to full articulate Christian mores.

As I noted earlier in this convo, where men fail to take up the mantle, women will. Men and women have a great degree of overlap and similarity in what they are capable of doing, that does not change what scripturally they are called to do.

Scripturally, it's more about roles, offices and calling, than ability, gifts or talents. Evangelising or preaching is not the same as teaching or taking authority over adult mature men in the church or the home. Note the difference.

Pidgin2:
The daughters of Philips who prophesied In the new testament and warned Paul not make the journey he had intended, many women financed Jesus ministry and accompanied him as missionaries. Pricillia was a preacher, she preached with her husband Aquila (Romans 16) She even corrected the eloquent Apollos when she and her husband noticed that he made some errors while preaching. Good luck

Prophesying does not make you a prophet. How many times? Missionary work is evangelising, outreach to the unsaved. Please note distinctions. The Aquila/Priscilla and Apollos situation is only read as you've stated it by those trying to force the right. And to do so places scripture in contradiction with itself.

The point for this discussion - from a Christian perspective - was "are adult mature Christian women permitted to take authority over adult mature Christian men?

Any Christian that believes so should explain how. And if so, how does the instruction making men/husbands heads of homes remain valid. And of course I'm always up for real life examples of Christian homes were the wife is the head


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InformedLola:
Hey... was referring to the logic of the bible verse you quoted (which didn't specify the ban against female authority was only in the church and home), and not your own watery and lopsided translation of it.

And that's the only part of your tirade I will bother to dignify with a response.

The logic of the bible verse I quoted was for Christians in home and church. That was clear from my first post, and emphasised in my second. And, I made the point of it not applying to anyone outside those realms. I did not introduce religion into this conversation.

Neither your failure to read me or the bible correctly was actually that important. However, I will not let the false insinuation that Christianity and the Bible are responsible for the oppression of women to go unanswered - it's the exact opposite of the truth.

Other than that, I could perhaps have gone the extra mile. But we are all equals and all up for the game abi .


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Masikay:
It's late abeg, no time for arguments. Nothing I say would make you agree that women are equal to men and are not sinners if they find themselves in a superior position to men whether in the church or elsewhere. And nothing you say would make me think otherwise. So goodnight.

Who is arguing with you? You are being schooled . Who has said women are not equal to men . Scripturally, roles and offices are clearly defined. Choose to accept and follow or not, that's your choice. I merely state it like it is.


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DarkRebel101:
A woman has sinned if she preaches the gospel of Christ to men in a church setting?

LOL...stick to your day job, old man. You're only forcing yourself to sound smart, you make no sense.

Why don't you stick to filling out your concave chest and being alpha to your inflatable girlfriend . Who is your mate? Is the attention you get from the lonely women here going to your head?

I clearly stated "teach" and "adult mature men in a christian setting". Re-present yourself when your balls fully descend . Look all those likes from incontinent women - no doubt you'll be pleasuring yourself for days on the back of that .


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InformedLola:
And by this logic, female teachers and lecturers are sinners too abi. In fact add female entrepreneurs, managers, any female with male subordinates...

Firstly, I made it very clear that women in a Christian setting were not to have authority over men in the church or home. Emphasis on those of that faith in those 2 settings. For emphasis, I clarified here; https://www.nairaland.com/3476964/superior/3#51273132

So there is a question mark against your intelligence, even if it is only in your ability to follow a discussion, correctly comprehend and respond accordingly. And by my logic no, but by your illogicality, it seems anything may be possible.

InformedLola:
Men have been trying to suppress women since bible times.

Secondly, you stated the above. I could simply laugh you outta town, but I'll, as I always do, resort to objective verifiable facts and not the shouty, emotional and quite frankly inferior manner that many women tend to debate.

Attached is something I wrote a while back, note the 2nd paragraph. It's a good read from my broad and deep corpus on NL.

But I'll paraphrase here; 2'000 years ago it was Christianity that emancipated women. Not feminism, not gender ideology,not liberal progressive ideology or values.

At a time when women were little more than chattel in some cultures, the Apostle Paul commanded husbands to take just one wife and - it must simply have been unimaginable - love them.

Any country that has long-standing equal rights and parity for women is almost certainly one with a Judeo-Christian heritage. Indeed, feminism could only take off where there was already emancipation due to the gospel, but the nations where moving away from God.

So there you have it; you have proven yourself informed not, intelligent not, certainly ignorant,and in this instance at least, decidedly inferior.

You are not at parity here and have demonstrated nothing of noteworthy. Although you have served to show there are other - mostly women and trans-women at your level by their tingly validation of your post .

Please don't bother responding, because it won't be anything but more than pained and shouty emotion and/or unintelligible gibberish.


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Masikay:
Females can prophecy but they can't be prophets? Be clear. I'm actually a lot confused.

Doctrine apart, and even from an academic POV, should you even be discussing the scriptures

Does prophesying make someone a prophet? Do you know what the office of prophet entails? And even if it includes prophesy, does that make everyone that prophesies a prophet? Prophesy is a gift, Prophet is an office. Best start there, but please, you sound like you don't even have a grasp of the rudiments


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Pidgin2:
Acts 19:11-16, please read it. You cannot progress for long especially when delivering people from bandage without being disgraced by the devil if you are fake

So you reject the clear reading of scripture, the very words of the Lord about why prophesying, performing miracles and the like do not mean you are right with him, and point to idiocy by some "jewish boys" to overturn that point ?

If I try and dribble like Messi, does that make me a footballer, or a player with Barcelona

13 Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, “In the name of the Jesus whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out.” 14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” 16 Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.

Were they even believers in Jesus Christ. Exorcisms would have been done even before The Lord came.

Pidgin2:
God performed countless miracles through both women's ministries without such incidents as the above ever occurring. The same God that does not discriminate in iving His spirit to both genders, does not discriminate in manifesting the gifts of His spirit through them.

Firstly you don't know that there were any miracles. Secondly, you don't know that any miracles were of God, thirdly, and as I have repeatedly pointed out, that does not mean right standing. Exactly what point are you making? And contrary to what scripture clearly shows??


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Pidgin2:
But the founder of first square gospel church is a woman, was she a sinner? Also Katherine Kulhman led a ministry where men were under her, God used her to perform numerous miracles, why did He?

Starting churches or performing miracles are not noted as signs of Gods approval or evidence of a righteous Christian life. I'm not judging anyone, and not that we sometimes act in ignorance. I am merely stating what the bible clearly teaches.

Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


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