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LAGATA:
@op, are we neighbours? had the same bitter experience last night. We have bn married for Seven years and i have never imagined i cld ever raise my hands on my woman. No matter to what extent she provokes me, i still tru find a peaceful way of resolving issues. Mine is even a bit challenging coz of cultural differences (am yoruba and shes hausa). The past seven years has bn so challenging. we have lost 2 innocent kids so u can imagine the frustration and challenges. What is it abt our women being 'misled' by their unmarried and divorced friends?

You do well to seek peace and resolve issues peacably...

LAGATA:
The height of provocation was ystday. Imagine my woman exchanging luv msgs wt an unknown man. Confronted her wt all the proofs bt she was still denying to the extent of creating a fight. Had to land her a slap on her face. So sad i have never done such. Realising i shldnt have done that and controlled myself, spent the whole night pleading wt her to forgive me for my actions and not even wt wat was on ground. Even wt the sleeping pills i swallowed, i jst cldnt slp. Rather i was feeling so bad and full of regets for raising my hand on her.... To all the ladies out there (single and married), pls forgive us. Appologies too for the long gist

...but this I don't get

You confronted you wife with incontrovertible proof of her cheating?
She vehemently denied to the point of causing a fight?
You slapped her during the scuffle?
You spent all night pleading with her - presumably to forgive the slap?
You took sleeping pills ontop !

Guy, you are treading a dangerous path. Slapping her was probably not the wisest thing to do, but if you have lived peacably together for 7 years and have evidence of her cheating, the slap is the least of your problems.

Sounds like you've been killing yourself to keep the peace for a while. Possibly what makes her think she can behave as she chooses.

Your play after the slap - which even if regrettable was not the worst thing you could have done, or even the crux of the matter here - only made things worse


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mcdokwe , good morning.

I have come to this one a little late, so I won't read the whole thread before commenting - indeed, I don't really need to.

I don't subscribe to the mantra that "a man must never lay his hands on a woman". For one, it's not hollistic or complete; there should be zero tolerance for any kind of abuse from men or women.

Secondly, there may well be occassions where laying hands on a is actually neccessitated. For example where a life is endangered.

I am, however, of the school of thought that believes a man should always rise above any emotional hysterics from the women in his life - and certainly not respond in kind. And where at all possible, refuse such women entry into his space.

You give something away as a man when you allow yourself to respond emotionally to a womans provocation. Always try and rise above it. I am heartened by the fact that you realise you could have handled the situation differently - and better. Take the lesson - become a better man.


Best
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mcdokwe:
I read a lot about how men who hit their partners are nothing but beasts, I nearly joined the bandwagon of accusers because I couldn't fathom how uncontrollable one's temper could be as to turn one's partner to a punching bag.

Don't get me wrong, I deeply regret I ever hit her, unfortunately that is one reason that apparently hold water as a reason for leaving even though she never gets to tell the whole story.

Simply had to comment on this heartwarming news. Glorious!

May God continue to bless their generations even as they stand in testimony of His mercies and love. I have no doubt divine grace is in the mix here.

And to everyone that aspires to same; may The Good Lord Himself grant you the righteous desires of your heart - beyond anything you may think or ask.


Made my day already.


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^{NL' MIC - "Marriage Advocate In Chief"}

...it's not about how one starts, but about how one finishes! May God bless all those who Love The Lord Jesus Christ in truth.


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Dheartless:


don't disturb that man's (TV) peace, he recently took possession of a baby princess

BTW congrats to him

Cheers mate. She's keeping us all up ! But she pweety !

Shollypopzz:
Congrats to him and his family.

Thank you. Any plans to breed yourself?


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Shollypopzz:
I'm just happy folks like TV01 will be going to hell after all.........

Can't say I'm sorry to disappoint you, but wifey and are I already subscribe to this doctrine . Not only do we limit our intimate relations to every third Wednesday and an end-to-end time of 2 mins 37 seconds approx - we use an egg-timer - we only ever engage in the one position. And always partially clothed (I mean whats the point of fully disrobing for a 2 and a half minute interlude ) with the lights of.

Making heaven. Is my sole focus in life!

Come, are you Bananabender et al? Otherwise I've simply no idea why someone I've never heard of should want me in hell? Not to mention I'm an annihilist?


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^{**say after me; "sex is for procreation"**}

edwife:
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Just so you know that I know. Those that sin with you will sin against you!

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carefreewannabe:
Whatever you say, I will remind people of the fact that the choice is theirs,

And no one has asserted otherwise !

carefreewannabe:
that there are pros and cons when it comes to marriage

No one would guess there are any pro's from your posts. All you do is denigrate it, slur it and misrepresent it. Even as you utterly fail to grasp it's essence, workings or value. You have never said anything positive about it's absolute or relative - to other forms - good.

If you - or anyone else wants to discuss marriage, I'm right here, but don't try and sell us this bogus "pros and cons" nonsense,when you never have a good word to say about it and are always harping on about the benefits of so called "de-facto" relationships.

carefreewannabe:
and MOST IMPORTANTLY that their value does not depend on marriage just because TeeFee says so.

I make no judgements as to the value of individuals or their unions. I advocate for marriage as the best model for male/female relationships, their children and wider societal flourishing. What people want and choose is totally down to them - as is responsibility for the outcomes.

If you have a better model, please expound on it. Or at least be fair and contrast marriage to other forms, instead of oscillating between making spurious assertions about it and being dismissive of it.

carefreewannabe:
And just because you had a hard time finding a spouse, does not mean everyone does. I have no such problems and therefore getting married would be a very easy thing to do for me, no achievement at all.

Keep petting yourself ! As ever you demonstrate the shallowness of your thought process and understanding. Hard time finding a spouse? No CFW, I took a long time to search the matter out. I was diligent and arduous in approach - hence it took time to unearth a diamond.

Not hard time finding a spouse, a long time to find one worthy of being called my spouse. Although I'm sure the difference may well be lost on you !

And having lots of people interested in "relationships" is not quite the same dear


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pickabeau1:
Lol at witches....

at witches....


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Nonso23:
Wonderful! Are we allowed to suggest some cool Naija names?
I wish your family a joyous celebration.

Certainly - we won't decide until Tuesday evening for Wednesday. And thanks for your well wishes.

Nonso23:
Inviting nairalanders is a great idea. Just sift thoroughly first, I mean with the increased spate of witch hunting lately one can't be too careful.

There are lots of good people and decent folk on these here boards. Damiso, I know it's short notice, but if you are available, we'd be honoured to have you join us.

Nonso23:
Happy Sunday!

Best


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Carefreewannabe,

you are all at sea, no facts or figures, no cogent arguments, no principled positions, no real insights - just a pathological dislike of marriage dressed up as emancipation and enlightened thinking. I respond because you are dangerous not because your posts actually merit it.

carefreewannabe:
And couples are free to live without a marriage certificate whether you like it or not.

No one asserted to the contrary or disputed this . All I've done is champion marriage "the superior model" !

Further, this arose do to your rejecting marriage due to the cost - to which I clearly showed, that administrative costs aside, marriage costs only as much as you want it too.

carefreewannabe:
I can but I don't want to. And you are not in the position to judge me.

And you are in no position to denigrate marriage - or even speak of it with any real authority !

carefreewannabe:
Not going to happen as long as people are made to believe fairytales about marriage.

No one is made to believe anything. Marriage does exactly what it says on the labeling. What individual couples make of their unions rests with them.

carefreewannabe:
Millions of people were naive enough to take vows they couldn't keep. Who am I to believe that it's realistic to live up to a promise for 20,30,40, 50 years?

Believe what you please, countless numbers have done it and are doing it. Your lack of belief, conviction or faith in yourself or the calibre of man you can attract is your problem, not a failing of marriage.

carefreewannabe:
Let me tell you something, now that we are at it, for people who had difficulties finding a spouse marriage is an achievement. For people who have a lot of choices, it isn't.

You are in no position to do any kind of telling. You suffice merely to back-bite and gainsay.
And the usual poor logic - does lots of choice necessarily mean easy? Or speak to the quality of those choices vis-a-vis what one desires?

carefreewannabe:
I am committed to loving myself. As a Christian you should know that this is necessary to love your neighbor.
Maybe if you understood that loving oneself first is necessary to love others, you would be able to meet the expectations your faith requires of you, you are far from it in my opinion.

Risible. Trying to be spiritual and pious at the same time - and failing at both. With the best reading, it speaks to your rejection of marriage as due to your personal failings - which I've maintained all along !

carefreewannabe:
I will campaign against it as long as you will feed people fairy-tales. Fair enough.

Why not campaign for "Relationships" as they are far better - especially for the emancipated and enlightened


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moca:
Congrats teevee!

I pray we will still be alive and nairalanding cos I wanna see how ur posts look like in d next two yrs

U can't run away from it,gals break daddies.
Enjoy d ride!
Wifey will be by d side with all smile

And heaven help u she succeeds in making her an ally, u r a goner
If she is highly opinionated like u, very good!
Wish I will be close by to watch


And all these guys that open mouth any how,not to worry,ur own will come.
We will see how far
Very soon u guys will become defender of d female species!
Hahahahaaaaa

Congrats dear!

Thanks very much for your kind wishes.

And amen to your prayer. I've been here 9 years so far and have no plans to go anywhere.


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Nonso23:
Babies are so cute and adorable.
Since you are back from the hospital I expect well wishers will soon begin to troop in. Brace up for the struggle to hold your little cutie even for a brief moment is about to begin!

I like your combo though. A boy and then a girl.

Cheers, gearing up for the naming on Wednesday. I should invite a Nairalander or 2 !


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carefreewannabe:
TV, the amount spent on the ceremony does not even matter. It's a waste of money to me whether it's cheap or expensive and it is stressful.

This remains a non-point. Couples are free to have a registry only wedding - or even solemnize it traditionally with scarce all fuss and at minimal cost if they so choose.

carefreewannabe:
I am not a little girl TV, I know the difference between love and infatuation but I still don't get why I need a marriage certificate to consciously choose to love someone and why I should not leave if I cannot live up to this expectation.

I demur Carefree - it's not the difference between love and infatuation, it's the difference between love and a selfless commitment

carefreewannabe:
And yes, you are right, TV, I am possibly saving people from grief by not marrying instead of making promises that I am not sure I can keep in 10, 20 or 30 years. I never make promises I am not sure I can keep.

If you think you can, you probably can, and if you believe you can't you probably won't - as we say in the world of coaching. How wonderful to be able to avail oneself of His grace ! Liberals using the pretext of social justice to hide their personal and moral weaknesses !

carefreewannabe:
It is not just a piece of paper. It is meaningful to people like you and I respect it. And it also has some advantages. Married people enjoy some privileges when it comes to taxes, for example. There are more advantages but there are also ways to profit from them without a marriage certificate. De-facto or informal marriages are also recognized in more and more countries.

That's just it, you don't really respect it, you insidiously deride it - "meaningful to people like me", how haughty.

Nope, most Western countries have removed taxed breaks/allowances for married couples. And you still don't get it if you feel that tax breaks really sway those who truly understand marriage - if they levy a tax against it sef, those with understanding will still marry !

carefreewannabe:
I find this interesting, it would be nice if you provided the source for the numbers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2004878/Unmarried-parents-6-times-likely-split-time-child-5.html
http://www.melaniephillips.com/this-is-another-blow-to-marriage
http://dailysignal.com/2015/02/13/5-facts-cohabitation-may-not-know/ - barely a day old!

carefreewannabe:
For me, the argument you put forward here that married people are less likely to split up is not an advantage per se. It also means that marriage and the cost of divorce makes people stay in unhealthy marriages, not always but often. This is one of the reasons why I don't like that idea.

Supposition. Co-habbing is unhealthier by all indications & more pathological in all ramifications; they tend to be more violent, poorer, and even more drugged. The truth is you simply trash marriage because you don't have the wherewithal to face it's responsibilities.

I've noticed - and not always commented - on your sly digs. There was a post recently where you claimed the current number of divorces is probably equally to what would have been unhappy marriages in the past. That is outrageous - yet you ask for sources when others make axiomatic claims

carefreewannabe:
They take it on themselves to stay together forever, not until their kids are able to live their own lives, that's a big difference.
They also take it on themselves to do stay together no matter what, which can be unhealthy.

Utter nonsense - all the studies show that traditional marriage remains by far and away the healthiest relationship type for both women and children - dig out any factual/scientific study to the contrary. Divorce affects adult children as well. Even those long since flown the nest !

And the the commitment to stay together means they are less likely to split-up for frivolous reasons. Childbirth actually prompts splitting up amongst many co-habbing couples!

carefreewannabe:
I don't dissuade nobody from marrying. I encourage different life-styles that suit different people and their individual personalities.
I am pro-choice, not pro-force. I embrace pluralistic societies.

More falsehood - I've asked you numerous times to expound on the benefits of your "relationship type". And feel free to do so for the "different lifestyles" you harp on about. Your focus is always on your perceived failings of marriage and why you reject it. Don't justify your relationship by deceitfully trashing marriage - sell it on it'sown merits.

carefreewannabe:
The rising number of divorces shows me that promises can be broken.

What has that to do with your commitment to keep any vows you make? Or the rising tide of obesity means it's inevitable you turn into a lard-ass ?

carefreewannabe:
The high number of unhappy marriages, there are many, shows me that too many people are unable to live up to the vows they took. I can't take such promises seriously.

Your promises, your commitment Carefree. With all your freedom, emancipation, education and choice, you are still not self-determinant? O strong woman who does not bend to societies dictates or live for anyone else - can't marry because other people sometimes fail at it? Pathetic!

carefreewannabe:
No, I am the only person I will ever FULLY commit to. I love myself too much to put anyone's needs above my own. That's the secret to my happiness. Even my children's needs will only be put above mine for a limited period of time.

Infatuation - Feeling love - commitment to love. I think I missed out solipsism & narcissism !

carefreewannabe:
Yeah, TV, I am fat, ugly and old and men are not interested in me, that's why I talk the way I do. I am an old, desperate cargo. Moreover, I have a bad personality, I don't take corrections and I nag.

Oh, and I don't know how to cook.

Yet you'd marry Emmanuel Neuer at the drop of a hat - what anyone is, is relative, but it seems relative to what you desire, you are truly lacking - find your level !

carefreewannabe:
Soft-porn is the only way I can enjoy men.

Don't feel too bad - you are in good company amongst NL' assorted divorcees, burger-married, willfull single mums, pre-menopausal harridans, damaged goods, serial abuse victims, old cargoes, beta-tied slatterns and past their sell by date singles. Just thought you could do better !

carefreewannabe:
Funny though, how the "soft-porn pictures" make you guys sweat and give each other advice on how to keep fit.

Hardly - I am superbly fit - evidenced here - and we've talked exercise repeatedly prior to those pics. Keep obsessing over photoshopped gay iconography !

carefreewannabe:
I have a lot of understanding for those who choose marriage and I respect their choice, just that it is not mine and I want people to choose for themselves, and not be forced to go for something people tell them to even though it too often turns out to be a living hell.

Not true - you are always slyly rubbishing marriage - self-evident by your refusal to acknowledge it is simply the best and most profitable male/female union. To society, the couple, their lineages and any offspring. You don't have to buy into it yourself, and nobody is forced to marry so why the campaign against it ?


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carefreewannabe:
1. I consider the wedding ceremony stressful and a waste of money.

Who has ever stressed an expensive or celebratory wedding ceremony as fundamental or even essential for marriage? Reject marriage if you choose, but please spare us the abject mewling.

carefreewannabe:
2. I can't promise anyone to love them till the day I die and nobody can promise me to love me till the day they die. Feelings change over time.

He'll probably die before you as is often the case , but jokes aside, if you don't know that it's the commitment to love, not a dewy-eyed feeling of being in love, that sustains a marriage. Anyway sha, you are probably saving 2 people a lot of grief by not marrying.

carefreewannabe:
3. I believe that having a marriage certificate makes people take their spouses for granted, they stop trying and giving their best.

You are funny-sad in how you look for reasons against. The commitment to serve, love and care for someone makes you take them for granted, but "commitment-free fornication"doesn't. Let me guess; "marriage is just a piece of paper?" Funnily-sad, hilariously-tragic

carefreewannabe:
4. Once you have kids, you are a family and you better stay together until the kids are grown unless you have very serious issues that make you depressed or threaten your life, again no marriage certificate necessary to do this.

Because the stats showing that less than 1 in 10 married couples are likely to split up (I think by the time the kids reach 5), as opposed to 4 in 10 non-married and 6 in 10 non-cohabiting, clearly show otherwise and don't please you, you'd rather go with what you like too think?

You censoriously, almost religiously/legally say "you better stay together", but those who formally take this on themselves of their own volition via marriage, you deride? You are carrying something woman. Let it go, deal with it, then give utterance. This is just carping

carefreewannabe:
5. Many marriages are unhappy.

So? Many are deliriously happy - many people probably failed to graduate in your field, did that deter you at all? Or did it make you run around dissuading people from studying it?

carefreewannabe:
6. The divorce rate is rising.

So? As above. All the reasons for this are clear. Simply avoid them. Or with your freedom, choice, education and social justice is that too much of an ask . People with non of those advantages have happy marriages.

carefreewannabe:
7. I am a free human being, I am not going to sign a contract that will compel me to live with someone forever even if it is no longer for our good.

You really don't get it do you? No one "compels" anyone - it's a mutual desire. And when backed by the willingness to commit wholeheartedly. You simply don;t believe you are worthy or will find anyomne that will have that for you so defensively reject it

And you certainly don't sound free - you sound bound by fear, hesitancy, and the inability to give or commit yourself fully. And most of all incapable of putting anyone else needs - including childrens - above your own. At best you sound like you don;t have the wherewithal to get the kind of man you really want - hence your predilection with soft porn . You'll make a great spinster aunt !

carefreewannabe:
8. Marriage offers nothing I would want to have and nothing I can't have without marriage.

Actually you have nothing to give a man who understands, is worthy and desirous of marriage.

carefreewannabe:
I hope, I have not discouraged you, TV01 will be angry with me.

Discouraging the faint-hearted or incapable is not necessarily a bad thing. If he is up for it he'll get there with or without your drivel.

Angry? No Carefreewannabe, as a marriage advocate and testifier, I'm just plain sad at your utter lack of understanding and your insistence on traducing what you do not know and sound like you can't comprehend in principle or in practice.


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Nonso23:
Wowzers!!!
Congrats TV01!
I can only imagine how elated you'll be right now.
God bless your family!

Thanks dude.

Yes I am really happy appreciate the blessing. I'm not long back from hospital, she's becoming more adorable by the day.
Her big brothet has taken to her as well.


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Ewuro4:
Congratulations TV01, I'm happy for you. May she be another source of joy to your entire family. Amen.

Welcome to da' club... Embrace every precious moments, that's your princess right there

***

And to those of you making jives about daughters My God and My Lord shall favor yall with 3 bouncing baby girls one by one. AMEN!

Morning Ewuro, thak you for your kind words and amen to your prayer. Much appreciated.


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MarvellousGod:
Though I doubt the possibility of this story, I really love the first pic... So cute, see the old woman's wedding ring still shining

Also, their pic depicts true love, so awesome

I think it's very possible - could even see it being pretty commonplace in another era.

Just two well disposed, sensible and mature people, who are committed, understand it makes sense to make an effort for the long-term good, that there is no point in squabbling and they are simply too well mannered to resort to hostility.

You could even have that without a great love, let alone with it. Haven't done a tenth of their time yet, but we've never had an argument. Differences yes - and they always get resolved - fights no.

And it's never boring. It's a continual fulfilling of our hopes, expectations and desires. Love you Mama


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^{**wannaweds, be sure to get great pix, the are always there to remind you of your day and your commitment to one another**}

alutacontinua:
I didn't want to, but I just had to archive this one
Latecomers can pay me 10dollars to get a view
TV be like I'm the boss for this kissing arena
laff don scatter my head here oo

Reception interrupted due to a quick dash to A&E - my snogging technique has since improved !


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^{I know you are too classy to do the dirty on me Aluta ! And up the price dammit, na beanz?}

Timbuktou:
Which is why I said I understand your semi-discomfort. I have a sister who I wish I could marry because my father was on point in many ways, and he paid special attention to her. But seeing how she's. Very different from many women today, even my own wife, I have to be sincere, about my fears of raising a well-rounded woman; not entitled but not a push over. *sigh. I don't know mahn. I hope God indulges me and gives me another boy. History is against me, though, on both sides it's been, boy-girl-boy, literally.

I can't tell a lie -I always wanted 2 boys and a girl if we had a third. It was just easier and a better fit. But perhaps I need to learn something here - if not only that I can't always have my way and I don't necessarily know best. Just another challenge to face square on.

Timbuktou:
I'm a little apprehensive. Hehhehehe. . Congrats TV, once again. I loved the smell and sight of my newborn, I sense how you must feel right now. Congrats, brother.

Just got back from hospital, she already quite nuzzlable. Mums looks and dads persona type and we good to go!


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An0nimus:
Lol I miss them too. Only pic I've seen is the salad one.

Congratulations TV!

Thanks very much An0nimus - stay alert !


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^{*luscious Gambian sun**}

bellong:
Having a female child is one of my greatest fears. I do believe she might become too spoilt as I may become overcareful/caring, sparing the rod when not necessary.......

Honest talk.

To me, having all boys would have obviated a lot of problems - not least best use of all the stuff my son has that wasn;t used very much or at all ! I often said whether the second one was a boy or girl, it would be wearing boys clothes till the age of 4 !

But it's a challenge and not one I have to face alone. Who really wants to raise an entitlement princess in this day and age? A virtuous woman of deep character and high achievement. Polished and accomplished.

And with the dearth of men how to make sure she marries well. And deep down the thought of them falling into predatory hands is there. I can see why men find it hard to let go of their daughters. With sons, you give them the tools and tell them to get on with it. That's a mantra of mine; "men take responsibility", and as soon as they are of age.

bellong:
However, if i have a girl, she sure would understand basic things about life and necessity of purpose.....

In some ways the same as for sons, just different - perhaps more of a sense of vulnerability/fragility?


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netotse:
errr...bros, does it say spare the rod and spoil the male child anywhere? granted you might not smack her as much but mennn you need to lay down the law sometimes o...where there is no law there is no sin.

I'll get her mum to do it ! After demonstrating correct technique of course.

But I hear you. I'll probably be more creative in imposing sanctions - dock her weave allowance or something !


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ihedinobi2:
Awesome!! Congratulations, TV. Lovely news. Chai, I'm just envying you your life right now ni. Hehehe.

I appreciate the warm wishes. Believe God and it will surely come to pass. I am keenly awaiting lots of good news stories from you. For years, it seemed I was just there...and then...

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bellong:
Congrats bro.... May she grow in grace, wisdom, knowledge and the fear of God.

An all round Amen to that. God probably saw we had a testosterone surfeit in TVsville !


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damiso:
Awwww you have a lil princess TV01 God bless and keep her. May she grow in wisdom.

Enjoy the sleepless nights

Amen to your prayers and thank you very much Dami.


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chaircover:
Congratulations to you and Mrs TV
May your princess be blessed and favored always

It will be fun to watch you gradually "demachoised"
Baby girls always do that to their dads in the end
You will soon be putty in her hands

Cheers CC

I remember pretty much everything you've written about your daughter and her dad. I'm warming to it - small, small. She was already looking pweetier when I saw her earlier today. Practicing my stern "no Miss" face .


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netotse:
@TV
major congrats man...

Thank you very much. Netotse - I may have to re-jig my regime - if only for a while !


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crackhaus:
Congratulations sir TV01, best wishes...

Thank you very much Crackhaus. Here's to increase and blessing all round.


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Timbuktou:
Congrats TV, I understand your semi-discomfort at having female children. I trust all will work out well, though. Sincere regards to the missus.

Cheers dude. Madam is recovering well. I just left hospital to come home for some rest & collect Jr before the night session. He hasn't actually met his sister yet.


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pickabeau1:
Nice one TV

Congrats

Let's hear more of this

I understand the daughter fears as I share same too

Wish your family all the

Thanks for your kind wishes Pick.

I certainly need to hear more on raising daughters. To be honest, I was pretty certain we were having another boy. Madam sef was looking at me with one kin side eye - I fixed up sha. Never let it show on your face.

I was all set to run the same routine as with Lil' man. Fairly strict but leaving him room for negotiation - started caning him at 18 months, then realised he had the jump on me and I was about 6 months too late .

But we are really easy, do lots of stuff together, rough and tumble and he's starting to understand boundaries and smartly test limits. I've always maintained I could never smack a girl child - hoping she's has a super cool temprement and it's never an issue - double pray down at the naming next week !

So guys, what's the story here?


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baby124:

Is that you TV? Hot, hot, hot. Na wa o. I expected to see one born again looking man. Nice pic. . Topless, beach pic with 6packs. Hehe. See NL wonder. TV

It's me 0! That's a "before" picture sef
That's exactly how a born again man looks - such bodies do not come except by "prayer & fasting"

1 Corinthians 9:27 Like an athlete I punish my body, treating it roughly, training it to do what it should, not what it wants to...

alutacontinua:
you ain't as bad as you made it sound though

...but better than you're letting on !

TV

^{**Oya guests, go and sleep - hopefully you won't have nightmares **}