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johnydon22:
It's a good read

you too... Thought you were anti anything Catholic.

Aquinas is a Catholic theologian.

srclark:
so because he helped him to win means he should run his government for him baba own too much abeg , he wants to be everywhere if baba wan Dey federal make him Dey federal,he should leave state level for the now and let other people grow politically .If not at the end of the day baba will be no where and completely irrelevant

How is Oshomole trying to run Obaseki government for him?

srclark:
why can’t you fight Oshiomhole . Is Oshiomhole bigger than the people of Edo State. It is a simple matter “PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH” .Oshiomole that fought against godfatherism has now become a godfather himself .it is high time we started putting round pegs in round holes.God bless Edo State,God bless Nigeria

how did osho become a godfather.

You are not from Edo state.

If you were you will know that the input osho had in Obaseki government was certain political appointments that balanced the state. Apart from that Obaseki was handed both freedom of governance and the full party structure which oshomole had built.

In the last election Obaseki supported several aspiring senators against the express wish a many party members, oshomole allowed him do what he liked. The result was that apc lost most of the federal sits in Benin.

So which godfather are you talking about?

Maroghene:
Let me break Edo for u,
1: The Bini's: They are the largest in their numbers and yhey love Obaseki
2: The Esans: They are the second most influential in the state and their love is unalloyed
3: The Afemai's: This are Oshiomole's family and his truest end. Here u the Akoko Edo people, Owan et al
But the huge player is the Oba and Obaseki have him, so he is safe.

are you sure Obaseki has the Oba? What has the palace said through out the saga?

Upton:
Why can't you fight him? Just say you are Oshiomhole's loyalist.

lol.

Many tried, many failed. The guy is still standing.

Maybe Obaseki will be the lucky one.

martineverest:
who does oshiomole think he is?.....afemai people can't even match binis and esans in all ramifications

you have brought tribalism into it.

What concerns tribalism in the fact that Obaseki refused to inaugurate the house well and is been cautioned?

RandomGuy48:
Let us suppose that this question shows that God is not in fact "fully" omnipotent. All that would indicate is that, outside of a few fringe cases that do not actually matter (to what degree does this have any impact on any potential interactions God may have with us?), God can do anything. So even if this is a demonstration that God is not omnipotent, for all practical purposes (and especially from our viewpoint) God effectively is.

But does one even have to admit that? It is interesting that you mention how the traits of God were stated by Augustine and Aquinas, but do not note that they actually gave answers to some of these. For example, according to Aquinas, this "paradox" only occurs if one is not following the right understanding of omnipotence, which is the ability to do all things that are possible. Things that are a contradiction in terms, such as the question you suppose (or for another famous example, whether a square can be a circle), are logically impossible and thus do not fall under the definition of omnipotence. As Aquinas says, "Hence it is better to say that such things cannot be done, than that God cannot do them." (http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1025.htm#article3)

Alternatively, one can take the opposite route, and argue that omnipotence allows for the suspension of the laws of logic itself, and thus an omnipotent God can simultaneously make a rock too strong for him to lift while still being able to lift it despite the apparent paradox it presents.


In the limited forum of a message board, it's hard to do justice to a question that has prompted entire works of philosophy. So I will offer this short, if possibly unfulfilling answer: There could very well be important factors or variables that we non-omniscient humans are unaware of that an omniscient being is aware of that would mean that what we perceive to be as an unwillingness or inability to eradicate what we see as evil is in fact the best choice available.


Well, some actually would say that free will does not exist as their answer, though I would not. For me, I feel it's a false dissonance to begin with. The ability to know, even with absolute certainty, that someone will make a particular choice does not mean that that person did not themselves make that choice. I simply see no contradiction between omniscience and free will.

But even beyond that, I don't think it's a question that has relevance. There are two possibilities. One is that we do not have free will with an omniscient God. In that case, the question is irrelevant because you lack the free will to do anything about it. The other is that we do have free with an omniscient God. In that case, the question is irrelevant because you do have free will and there's no reason to worry about it. Either way, it ends up being irrelevant, and I do not think it particularly worth pondering about.

Again, this is something Aquinas answered, in fact in the same article I linked above:

"To sin is to fall short of a perfect action; hence to be able to sin is to be able to fall short in action, which is repugnant to omnipotence. Therefore it is that God cannot sin, because of His omnipotence."

But much like the omnipotence paradox, even if inability to sin is a contradiction with omnipotence and thus imposes a limitation, it is a limitation of no practical value from our perspective. Thus, from a practical standpoint, God can be considered omnipotent.

This is by far the simplest of the questions to answer: The Bible says you should pray. (a Muslim would cite the Qur'an instead of the Bible but the answer remains the same)

But yet again, I should note Aquinas's answer:

"We need to pray to God, not in order to make known to Him our needs or desires but that we ourselves may be reminded of the necessity of having recourse to God's help in these matters."
http://newadvent.org/summa/3083.htm#article2

So you read Suma theologia

Aizenosa:
Osho is quick to forget the role Obaseki played for him to become party chairman, Obaseki has returned the favour already.

Funny enough even if Obaseki decamps to a new party he will win the election.

the same Obaseki who couldn't influence federal house election in his village.

At least his little fight with himself is making him popular

Aurielfinizu:
yes ooo

proudly converted catholic..

this is my 2yrs now and i will die a catholic.

how did your conversion happen?

Abi you married a Catholic?

Apination:
Which of the Catholic churches? Roman Catholic, Easter orthodox, Anglo Catholics, Coptic Catholics etc are you referring to?

Coptic Catholics and Roman Catholic and melkite Catholic and Assyrian Catholic etc, are all part of the same Catholic Church, we observe the same laws on marriage and we have full communion with Pope Francis. There are 23 Catholic self governing church that make us the Catholic Church which Pope Francis is leading and we all share the same view of sacrament like marriage.

Eastern Orthodox do not have full communion but they also follow the same rules as Catholics on marriage, an eastern orthodox christian will not marry in an Anglican church because marriage is a sacrament for them even though they accept divorce like Anglicans. In fact some Eastern Orthodox may not even recognize the Baptism of an Anglican. They can be extreme like that.

Kelvinsaint:
those it mean catholic church is far more better than my own Anglican church.


The truth is that I can't allow my kids to be catholic,if she will be ready to be a catholic and die catholic

Then she will be ready to bear the hurt of me not allowing my kids to be catholic and it's going to be a big issue for us in the future


And I can't submit to her own wish against mine since she still stand in her decision to continue catholic after wedding her in her church, then hope she is ready to accept it when I won't allow our kids to be catholic

do you know how the Anglicans left the Catholic Church? It was an issue of marriage and divorce that caused it.

I don't have the energy to tell you what church is better but I can challenge you to read up your bible and check if divorce is part of Christian marriage. If it isn't why does your church allow it?

Find a compromise for the last issue... That's all I'll say. Unless you don't love the lady, then let her go.
Marriage is not a show of power, it is a show of love and understanding, if you don't still get that fact then maybe you shouldn't be marrying a Catholic.

partnerbizz5:
So much misinformation.

What do you know about the Marriage Act?

The church serve as agents of marriage, they have licence under the Marriage Act. So nothing like that they dont need further marriage.

The church cant divorce, divorce is done by only the HIGH court.

the Catholic Church doesn't recognize divorce even if granted by the Supreme Court

Kelvinsaint:
then she should come and pay my bride price and marry me, if she will have her way.

I can't never be a catholic and my kids won't be either

If I finally have an agreement to marry her in catholic church then she have to sign for me to not bother our kids to be catholic. Only this can solve the matter, which I know she can accent to.

don't reason like this.

The idea of I paid pride price so I can stamp my will is not an ideal for Christian marriage, that is from your traditional upbringing.

If you are marrying a Catholic then start dropping that thought, she is your partner and companion not your servant, she has a right to her own input and is allowed to insist on points that are of great importance to her. In fact she possesses equal Christian dignity and you have spiritual leadership of love not imposition.

The kids part may be an issue but if you guys can surmount the first two issues then you can find a compromise for the last one.

Catholics usually raise kids Catholic and we do infant baptism.... That will be a issue for your marriage class

jesmond3945:
please my brother I beg you in the name of God look for another woman. She is not even ready to stand by you or your decision as a man. She is telling you about her phd to hype her status and make you do everything to be with her. I am not saying she is wrong telling you but the unintentional purpose is to hype her status. She would never attend anglican and she would raise your kids in catholic. I dont have problem with that my own problem is how she reduced loving and be your wife to based on an imported institution handed to us by white people is very unsettling.

lol
Decision as a man ke? She will go to hell fire because of her husband abi? The submission we preach in marriage is a submission of Love and it is mutual not slavery.

MasonKendall:
Let me give you an insight of the Roman Catholic church if you marry her.




Truth be told some Catholics are too sentimental. I hate them to a point that I abstain from going to that church. They have contradicted religion and Christianity that's why we have so many churches loitered around. The believe in stupid things and it really angers me especially purgatory. They tell you that eating bread and drinking wine at a Communion service is wrong because you bread alone is enough cos there's blood in the flesh. please don't marry her ooo except she changes her church.

you have started condemning what you don't understand.
Catholicism is still Christianity in its original form.

ladiesreject:
The only condition I can take from a woman I'm in a relationship with or planning marriage with is if she tells me no sex till marriage, and that's because it has to do with her body and she owns it. And my own condition to that is she must be a virgin and also faithful, which I must confirm.

I hate conditions, especially from a woman.

I will never succumb to such a condition.
Catholic church for that matter, that boring place! You'll be in church and it will feel as if you're mourning the dead. Catholics and Anglican even get any major difference sef?

OP, the way that girl will manipulate you in marriage ehn (that is if you marry her), you'll know that love alone is not enough.
Already, you're not compatible spiritually, which is very important.
Even if you marry her and you agree that everybody should attend his church, which one will your children attend?
Again, marriage is beyond love. While love is the key thing, it's not the ultimate.
So, because her uncle paid her fees, he owns her life and her decisions? Na wa.

Meanwhile......
Hope you're doing your PhD too? Because if you're not, I advice you to start, because a woman is a woman. By the time she becomes a Dr and you're not, that's when the marriage will start properly. She'll always remind you that she has every degree in the world. She won't do that verbally, she'll do that with her actions. And like they say, action speaks louder than words.

Finally.....
While I don't like Catholics, I like this their approach. If churches had been doing it, it would have reduced or even prevented all these new generation/end time churches everywhere. I would have mention such churches but their sheeples are here, they will explode with anger wherever they are.

Any church not older than my old man is a fake church.

Don't quote me

lol
You think this is manipulation?

Offpoint:
Someone said "From the chat, I can see she truly loves you" what nonsense.. Even Our regular oloshos can beg us not to leave too (Op I'm not referring to your girlfriend, I'm talking to the commenter up there.)


Op, if you can't have a say and a stand now you can't have it in marriage either.
If her foster father says "Chi no sex on Sundays with your hubby", then there'll be no sex on Sundays for you bro... if you'll try to protest she'll still give you the same lines "Baby so you can't sacrifice Sunday sex for love?, you know what my father mean to me bla bla bla.. "

Be a man, take your stand. Don't be emotionally manipulated into doing things that will end up eating you up forever.

Wedding can be conducted anywhere, and after that you can choose to worship in Church of Satan and she Church of Sango.. no problem with that, saying you must be a Catholic shouldn't be tolerated or even considered.


... raising someone doesn't gives you control over their lives.
If the hands that fed me tries to poke me in the eye I'll gladly bite it off, make pepper soup out of it and wash it down with cold bottle of orijin with no remorse.

If you really want to help someone, there should be no condition attached to it.

marriages can't be celebrated everywhere.

Besides in the Catholic Church we don't just celebrate marriage, we celebrate the sacrament of Matrimony.

ststyreal:
Hmmmm!!!! This is a sensitive topic I must say but coming from me who has tasted both churches ( born Anglican and presently married into the Catholic Church), huhhh!!! I must say, I would have loved to remain Anglican for life!!!! Our hymms are wonderful!!!!
It isn't easy coming into the Catholic Church as a convert, up till now, despite being married for a decade now, I still finds it difficult going for confessions, hence my abstinence from holy Communion despite being wedded in the Catholic Church. It isn't easy but love conquers all. Love pushed me to forfeit been wedded in my sweet Anglican, so love can still settle this issue. We are brothers in the faith, being that there are only few disparities in our mode of worship hence, my advice is that you guys shouldn't let religion create problems in your relationship. Marry her in Catholic, let her attend her catholic church even after marriage then watch how things flows. She might give in someday and join you in Anglican but if you can't stand it, then do what is best for you too.
One thing I love Catholic marriage for and which made me forfeit being wedded in my sweet Anglican is that "There is no room for Divorce" Na we die here together mata and that is my vision of a marriage. I hate divorce with passion. So think about it my friend and let God guide you. This is just my opinion though..

lol.
Go to confession, receive communion. It's all part of what is Catholic

Celestial777:
It is even in the cathechesim book and marriage study of Catholics...they are advised to marry Catholics and in the event of marrying non Catholic the person Wil have to switch over to Catholic.
Bro she is very right but your own case now get k leg because of the Rev Father involvement
Truly the Father will cut ties with her.
My mother younger broda is a Rev Father and ever since I join white garment church like ...he changed towards me....he said wby do I like mammy water church

If I call him right now after greetings he will ask me if I still attend mammy water church
He stop sending money and gives excuses
I love with it and we arw fine
Bro no spoil the girl life ....listen even if you deceive ursef bu marrying her in Catholic church and later change church
The church will grant her divorce
Do you also know that marrying in Catholic church needs no further court weeding
Yes the Nigeria govt Grant the church such right and marriage certificate issued in any Catholic church is acceptable world wide
Just go and buy rosary abeg...if you love the girl
If this one go again hmm na river we go wash your head las las if na my cele church

it is not a must the person switch over

jcross19:
can you see what religion have done to us ! sometimes I wonder if we have different Jesus Christ maybe each denomination have their own Jesus ! true love I mean genuine love have no religion, race, tribe or limitation. some ladies remain stranded because of religion differences or denominations! catholic church have the highest spinsters in Nigeria! very bad fanaticism is not born of Christ.

each church believes differently about marriage, most of them allow divorce.

Kelvinsaint:
Brother, thanks so much for you advise but I can't do that, if her family detect our wedding choice and of church. their can still make her go against my own wish in marriage maybe tomorrow she may prefer her Rev uncle words more than my.


And she want me now to be a catholic against my wish. Cause I love her

if you don't want to be Catholic no one will force you. But don't force her to become Anglican against her wish.

LilMissFavvy:
Wed your girl in her church, most weddings are usually conducted in the bride's church. After wedding you can go back to your church, meaning she should become Anglican. Or better still, if she refuses to leave Catholic, then you let her be. You attend your church, she attends her own. I have seen it work. Some couples attend different churches and it works. It does not matter as long as it's same Christianity. If she possesses all the characteristics you want, why should church be an issue? This is the time both of you should make agreement on the church which your children will attend in church, to avoid future arguments.

exactly, this is the time to decide these things.

Kelvinsaint:
Good morning everyone on this platform.

Please I want to know why most catholic families and parents don't allow their children marry anyone outside catholic church.

I'm a young guy in my late 20s,a graduate of accounting. I'm a public servant and I work in a federal government organization and earn well via my salary.

I meet this young pretty lady during my nysc dayz and since then we have been in love with each other.

Ever since my ex girlfriend whom I love so much left me and got married to someone else probably because I was not financially buoyant enough to take care of her and she couldn't wait for me to acquire more wealth before we settle down. I decided to take my time to look for someone else I can end up with in terms of marriage.

Yesterday been Sunday I was discussing with this pretty diva (my new girlfriend) I told her my intentions that I'm getting ready for our marriage maybe by on or before Xmas this year.

To my utmost surprise she told me that we should have our wedding in catholic church.. but I was born and brought up in Angelica church. She told me she can't marry me if I will not Wed her in catholic church. We start having a very big misunderstanding about that.i ask her the reason why it must be catholic church, she said her parents died when she was 5years old and her mothers family(grand parents) took her and her other siblings, and saw them through school. My girlfriend just started her PhD program recently cause she is through with her masters and she is just 24years old. She told me that her uncle that took care of her education till this stage whom is a catholic church Rev father warned her that if she gets married or plan getting married to anyone outside catholic. That he will cut all ties with her and she don't want to go against them.

I told her what if I agree to do the wedding in catholic church and after the wedding we go back to Anglican church. She said it not going to happen, that if she can't continue with going to catholic church, maybe we shouldn't marry at all.

She just told me on phone that it's better we end our relationship and move if I can't allow her to wed and be a catholic forever...

I asked what if my own parents object to her own opinion about wedding in catholic church since we are born Anglican, her answer is that my parents should understand that am doing it for love.


But she will never and nothing will ever make her compromise to her decision of marrying outside catholic church.. And that it's better for her to be single than to marry outside catholic.

Please what is it about catholic church.?
Are we not serving the same God?
Why is religion a problem to humanity?



Below is our chat attachment.

The reason Catholic parents discourage mixed marriage is because of issues like this. The marriages always comes with challenges and unless both couples are Willing to discuss about it, it will always be problematic. The issue that begins it usually is
1. Where should we marry?
2. Will you allow me attend and participate in my church after marriage?
3. Will you allow me train our kids according to what I believe?

And if you can't find good responses for these questions the marriage will have serious challenges.

Your girl friend has not explained this issue well to you.

I am a Catholic, I can't marry in a Church that isn't Catholic Church, If I do that, I will fundamentally undercut my spiritual life and throw myself into a spiritual pit and it will open my marriage to possible breakup.
That may sound like an exaggeration but a Catholic's understanding of marriage, family life, sacrament and church is fundamentally different from that of any Christian.
If you know your history you will know that the reason the Anglicans separated from the Catholic Church is because King Henry wanted to divorce his wife and the Church refused. Up till today the Catholic Church doesn't accept divorce, marriage is still a single life lasting union between man and woman. We can't divorce like the Anglicans, even if circumstances causes separation we can't remarry. No church share this theology on marriage. Marriage is ultimately a sacrament, sacraments are conferred in the church not out of it. It is a sacrament.

Put simply, if she marries in your church... That marriage is not recognized in her church, it is like she never married, she can't receive communion because anyone who is married in a place that allows divorce is not doing Christian marriage. She can't wed in a nonsacramental union. In fact if she weds in your church and you guys have problems she is free to remarry in the Catholic church because her non sacramental marriage is not recognized there.

Be careful because she is trying to safeguard your union, if she is truly a Catholic in right understanding, this matter is a serious one which is why her family will put full pressure on her not to marry in your church because that means she won't henceforth be admitted for communion.

2. If she is a serious Catholic, you will have to allow her attend her church, in fact if you do a mixed marriage in the Catholic Church you will sign a legally binding document that says you will allow her attend her church as she always has. The spiritual life of a Catholic is nourished and strengthen by the sacraments. You can't detached her from this. If you do, don't complain latter that the woman you married has changed. Your church can't provide her the sacraments she needs validly. A true catholic lady does not share the thought that says "a woman has no church ".


If you wish to continue as a Anglican do so but respect 3 things. Marry her in her church, allow her to continue to attend her church, respect her Catholic input in the spiritual upkeep of your kids.

If you don't get these 3 things ask for explanation, if you can't then you are in trouble because when you remove her from the spiritual surrounding she knows be ready to accept her when she changes to something you don't expect.

Apination:
Anglican or Roman Catholic, there's no difference, it's the same sacrament and creed. The Anglican church is still Catholic in nature just the name.

this is not true, the Catholic Church does not recognize the sacraments of the Anglican church except baptism.

We use the same creed but the Anglicans interprets certain parts differently.

sassysure:
I love ecwa. They dont do all these speaking in tongue or healing poo.

speaking in tongues and healing are part and parcel of scriptural teaching. Why do you guys not do it?

brocab:
{Luke 1} Uben: I suppose it's the way we read and understand our bibles that makes the difference, both Elizabeth and Mary were filled with the Holy Spirit, and when Mary entered into the house the babe filled with the Holy Spirit leaped for joy.
We know-The Father is God. {Matthew 6:8, 7:21, Galatians 1:1}
And we know-Jesus is God from the beginning {John 1: 1-18}
And of course-The Holy Spirit is God {John 15:26, Mark 3:29, 1 Corinthians 6:19}. These three are One..
{Luke 1:13} But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zechariah, for your prayer has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.
So through faith Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit to bare a son..And John was already filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.
{Luke 1:34} And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?” And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.
Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. For nothing will be impossible with God.” And Mary said, “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.
The Angel told Mary, 6 months after Elizabeth was pregnant, it was after 'Mary had rose and went with haste into the hill country, to a town in Judah, and she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. The babe was filled with the Holy Spirit..

This doesn't mean Mary will always come supernaturally in the spirit after she had past-she is not God 'nor is she called to be our messenger from God.
And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
This is deafeningly God speaking through His Spirit, the Holy Spirit working together in both Mary and Elizabeth at the same time!
Uben-when you are filled with the Holy Spirit the same Spirit in Mary that came to Elizabeth will come to you too-and you will leap for joy-Mary isn't just remembered by the Catholic Church, she is made into an image a tool to be worshipped-Mary's name is above every other name, either in heaven on earth or under the earth-the evident's still stands with you Uben-still fighting for your Queen?
"Elizabeth's word's did not come from flesh and blood, but by the Word of God-"Worship God "Not" the image!
These are Word's of encouragement, these are not word's to worship Mary, neither are they word's to recognise Mary as our mediator, nor is she our savour.
All thank's is given to God, "He knew Mary from the beginning, He shaped Mary, Modded Mary, and prepared the virgin Mary to take this task.
God knew, He made her to be true and faithful to Him!
Through faith Elizabeth was chosen-shaped and modded for Him, through faith we are the chosen, shaped and modded for Him..

This same Elisabeth who received the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit in Mary and his a mother of a prophet said.
And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

What does that tell you?

petra1:
He didnt say that. His point was that man was his main idea and woman was given to man as support .

Genesis 2:18
And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. . . .And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

1 Corinthians 11:9
-- Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Before Genesis chapter 2, we have Genesis chapter 1

Genesis 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female

Man AND woman was always part of God's original plan for Mankind, he created Man first to give him a spiritual leadership in love over the home not because Woman wasn't part of his original plan for mankind.

brocab:
{Luke 11:27-28} As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.”
But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”…
So according to this, my Mother and my brothers and sisters are those who walk with God, so Mary is not only my Mother, she is my sister too, in Christ.. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
"Mary is favourable-and she was a believer, but the question is, did she believe enough to teach her other siblings about Jesus and how He came into the world-did Joseph teach his siblings-how an Angel of the Lord woken him in a dream about Jesus. "James nor his brothers and sisters believed until after Jesus had risen.
{John 7:5} For neither did His brothers believe in Him, "James did not grow up a believer..
It wasn’t until Jesus’ resurrection and His appearance to James and the disciples that James finally really understood who his half brother was.
{Proverbs 22:6} God tells parents to train their Children, teach them wisdom and knowledge about God for the future..
{Matthew 12:47-50} Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven {by believing in Me, and following Me} is My brother and sister and mother.
This shows if Mary was a believer just like the rest of us-then she shouldn't be put on high to be worshipped, and after reading the scriptures ''Jesus knew His brothers and sisters and Mother didn't come to Him because they believed-they come to Him thinking Jesus is insane. Let's not forget-Jesus wasn't welcome in His hometown..{Mark 3:21, Luke 4:24}
Many Catholic's believe Mary didn't have other siblings,,,so if this is the case, then it's obvious someone had made a terrible mistake, in sharing the gospel.

As for the honor due to Mary... I have to encourage you to reflect on the words of Elizabeth in Lk 1
And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

If you understand that then you will get it.

Ebije1:
That Oshiomole of a gorilla is one of Nigeria's biggest problems.

Abeg what did he do wrong in this case?

martineverest:
obaseki can never be removed...if by any chance he is ousted,pdp will take over...u don't even know how Edo ppl hate oshiomole

speak what you know.

Which edo people hate oshio?

martineverest:
dont be deceived, oshiomole isn't recognised in Edo state .....Edo ppl hate that midget

say what you know.

Benin people don't like him not Edo people

Truest:
Oshio-ole is a foolish short demon to think Obaseki will be coward & bow to him. People of dat ethnicity are d most peaceful & quiet people but if u vex them, ur third generation fit suffer for it.

They don't boast/chest beat & very enduring in suffering but fear them & if they reason ur matter when u offend them to d wall, u are OYO. Quietness is not foolishness/cowardice. I like their silent bravery sha.

The same silent is gradually use to tame any Fulani herdsmen miscreants in benin city

After saying no to godfatherism dat u even faulted Anineh & d likes but now u want to Lord in Edo state?

osho is an expired politician in Edo State

abeg what has oshiomole done wrong in this issue or you just hate the guy?