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GuestLog:
Dont be deceived by eloquent write ups. Chapter 1 is a summary of chapter 2. The first chapter talks about the whole creation story while chapter 2 breaks down the story in detail. Man was created first, after God saw that it was not good for man to be alone, he made woman out of man. A woman is subjected to man, she is his product. A man is the head of his home just as Christ is head of the church. God communicates with man, and man communicate to his family.

In the ways of God, all things are not created equal, there is hierarchy in the things of God, it is evident in the food chain, ecosystem, animal's social behavior and as described in revelations about heaven & God's throne. In essence, God loves orderliness. Two captains cannot stir a ship, one has to accept directions from the other. God bless his word.

no one says there is no hierarchy but it is a hierarchy of love not slavery.
Woman was always part of God's plan

kingzizzy:
Back in the day, I used to go on pilgrimage to his Elele base. But as a Catholic, I was not comfortable that a Catholic priest could be so wealthy to own Universities, Secondary Schools and even banks. A Catholic priest is not supposed to be rich.

I eventually stopped going to Elele as I lost faith in him as a true catholic priest

the wealth doesn't belong to him. It belongs to his congregation. He is the head of the congregation for now.

AntiBalaka:
The man is only after his stomach.

He is destined for the abyss.

This is why I only take ECWA church and Northern Christians as the only true Christians in Nigeria.

ECWA church is still open in Borno and Yobe in the midst of Islamic lunatics while the Catholic Church and other profiteering Caphias franchise have since abandoned their frolicking business.

God punish all your Idiotic redeemers and end time Annanias churches.

lol

How many Catholic churches in Borno were lost. You are here bragging because ECWA was less hit.

Even at that the Catholic Church in Borno is still open.

Viking007:
Very underrated. He was my man of the match. He was a threat whenever he's going forward, I felt pity for that South African defender.

musa final product was consistently bad.

I don't have much praise for him

obinoral1179:
see Ambode case is very different from this One.

Firstly Ambode was a good administrator but he was not a good party Man and as long as Nigeria still exist you need to be a good party man because party decide who fly their flag.


Secondly Godfather are not made from Abuja they are made from home, just like the popular slogan that politics is local. Tinubu never took any position or post but was building political structure that was why Ambode couldn't fight back and ambode retreat back to learn and launched back in future but if he had throw caution to the wind he would have jeopadise any chance in future..

I advise Mr obaseki to win the battle and war because the war is the most important if not those that are rooting for him will dump him when the table turn..

Lol

Do you think Obaseki is a good party man? He lost half the party structure in just 4 years

Even the party structure in Edo was built by Oshomole from scratch

Bundaweber:
gbam. most people don't see taht. take it or leave it oshiomole tried for his senatorial zone. I expected obaseki to bring online the well renowned ogbe hard court. that was an event bringing serious revenue to edo State and edo south in particular. the motor park has been butterflied away. most people don't understand that this spat is about ego.

in his first term edo did wonders in edo South... It some in the 2nd

osazsky:
minority na minority, edo belongs to Benin read ur history books .do u know that d urhobos are more than d hausa in nigeria.i will not leave my bro and vote for an infidel who we gave land to,or drove from Benin to d forest God forbid

finally you have shown your bigotted tribalism.

Is it not your fellow Benin man Igbenedion who made sure the city didn't grow?

Duggedised12:
paid or not I dont care, anything to teach that midget oshiomole a lesson is welcomed and any attempt to pull an ambode in Edo state ,APC will be the ones to loose.

See even yeye oshiomole that was chanting "no godfather" just few years ago now wants to be a godfather ,lol ,e go clear for e eye when Edo people check mate e move.

I personally dont need to be paid,if I was aware would have voluntarily joined the rally ,oshiomole is the one distracting our wake and see governor.

how is osho a godfather abeg?

wink2015:
Governor Godwin Obaseki has done a lot to improve on the economic and social infrastructure of Edo state.

Comrade Adams Oshiomole, Tinubu should call their supporters to order to allow peace reign.

It is only when peace reign the dividend of democracy can be brought to the door steps of the people.

Lol

Do you think the lawmakers he beat up will just go and sit down? Or the ones he refused to inaugurate?

Oshomole and tinubu are not his problem, his problem is the Benin politicians who he refused to reconcile with... He only spoilt the whole thing with the house saga.

indigenous234:
I think people are underrating this gov. He has shown over the past years that he can fight dirty too. Senator Urhogide still hears echos of the slaps he received, same with Oshiomole's brother. Obviously, he's not another Ambode.

That said, the narrative of the squabble is making the people align with him. He insists the party's leaders in the state wants him to share the states resources amongst them and he refused. Thus getting the people on his side. And since it's a democracy, the people are the ones who vote. So, he might have the last laugh.

The motor park projects he's embarking on is a laudable one and his other projects (though sub-standard ) are populist enough to swing votes to his side.

I hope he wins the party's ticket but lose to the PDP in the main elections (because I strongly believe that no governor is as good in second term in comparison to their first)

lol
Treating lawmakers like criminals and doing a secret inauguration is a no-no for me.

He has lost me as a fan

aku626:
Okay waiting for you to speak as a stake holder in Nigeria. With no political affiliations, do you think his actions will be beneficial to the citizens of his state?

his actions is just causing political heat, shutting out 15 representatives of the people is not beneficial for anybody.

The whole illegal mess he created will just distract him

Danwakae:
Apart from Oyo and Ondo.....Baba Tinubu owns all in South West, but Edo, No godfather...Oshobaba will be disgrace.

lol.

Who was anineh?

Besides osho never took the position of a godfather, he gave Obaseki full power over the party structure

Ewedegubbler:
Obaseki is a Bini man, they have by far the largest voting population in the state whilst Oshiomhole comes from in insignificant minority. This is Nigeria and when the chips are down, the ethnic card takes over. this is a battle that oshiomhole cannot win,...

lol.
It is not his fellow Benin politicians that are after him.

If he didn't have problems in Benin will the issue have even reach osho

Igbosmoker:
so a former governor should start dictating how the present governor run his state? Sorry biko we don't do that in Edo state.

Oshiomole had his time and he misused it. If not for chairmanship position he has, oshiomhole wouldn't have been a threat to obaseki

lol, where did osho dictate to Obaseki?


Is it not Obaseki who choose all the Benin senators and reps in the last election and osho allowed him and he lost woefully?

Igbosmoker:
keep shut. Thief oshiomole is an expired politician in Edo state, his reign is over.

Obaseki is in control of Edo state, who doesn't like it should"go and die"

lol.

Is Obaseki not part and parcel of oshomole's financial group?

If Oshio stole then Obaseki is no saint.

Besides Obaseki problem is not osho, it is his fellow Benin politicians in Edo, Oshomole gave him both freedom of governance and freedom of party structure. If not for his illegal election no body would have heard from osho.

Besides since he has been having problems with his party is it not the same oshio that supported him?

denko:
In South South No Lord

who is Ibori? Say what you know?

So should Christian values has a place in our politics and laws, or must we divorce our beliefs from our society?

Never Accept’ Separation of Faith from Political Engagement, Chaput Says

Posted by Catholic News Agency on Wednesday Jul 10th, 2019 at 8:33 AM
Chaput told the audience of lawyers from around the world that Christians must work to build an authentic vision of society built around the common good, and that “human progress means more than getting more stuff, more entitlements, and more personal license.”
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WASHINGTON - Christians are called to win the battle of ideas and values in secular society, Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput said Tuesday.

In a speech delivered to the Alliance Defending Freedom Summit on Religious Liberty July 9, the archbishop said authentic religious freedom is essential in shaping a society of love, “the animating spirit of all authentically Christian political action.”

“I mean love in the biblical sense: love with a heart of courage, love determined to build justice in society and focused on the true good of the whole human person, body and soul.”

Chaput told the audience of lawyers from around the world that Christians must work to build an authentic vision of society built around the common good, and that “human progress means more than getting more stuff, more entitlements, and more personal license.”


“Real human progress satisfies the human hunger for solidarity and communion,” Chaput said. “When our leaders and their slogans tell us to move ‘forward into the future,’ we need to take a very hard look at the road we’re on, where ‘forward’ leads, and whether it ennobles the human soul or just aggravates our selfishness, our isolation, and our appetite for things.”

True religious freedom is crucial to serving real human progress, the archbishop said, drawing a distinction between it and “the half-starved copy of the real thing called ‘freedom of worship.’”

“We can never accept a separation of our religious faith and moral convictions from our public ministries or our political engagement. It’s impossible. And even trying to do so is evil because it forces us to live two different lives, worshiping God at home and in our churches; and worshiping the latest version of Caesar everywhere else.”

Sincere religious faith, Chaput said, fosters virtue and not conflict and is vital to advancing human dignity and building a humane society. But, he warned, “the creation myth” of the modern secular state is that religion is irrational, divisive, and violent.

“Secular, non-religious authority, on the other hand,” Chaput said, “is allegedly rational and unitive. Therefore, the job of secular authority is peacemaking; in other words, it must keep religious fanatics from killing each other and everybody else.”

“The problem with that line of thought is this: It’s simply an Enlightenment fantasy. Secular politics and ideologies have murdered and oppressed more people in the last 100 years—often in the name of ‘science’—than all religions together have managed to mistreat in the last millennium.”

The archbishop continued to argue that much of the current debate about “religious extremism and looming theocracy” is a push by a political elite to “get religion out of the way” as a secularist consensus is formed and imposed.

“God is a competitor in forming the public will, so God needs to go,” Chaput said.

“Any claim that atheists, agnostics and a secularized intelligentsia are naturally more ‘rational’ than religious believers is nonsense. We’re all believers. There are no unbelievers… atheists just worship a smaller and less forgiving god at a different altar.”

Chaput said that while the American political system has many strengths, there is “no automatic harmony” between Christian faith and democracy, which is not an end in itself and cannot determine either the good or the true.

Unmoored from the objective nature of truth and goodness, “like every other form of social organization, democracy can become a form of idolatry and a license for inhumanity,” he said. Ensuring it does not requires that Catholics make a much more robust and authentic Christian witness in public life, one which does not compromise for a broader acceptance.

Citing the example of Catholic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s recent embracing of federal abortion funding, Chaput noted that Catholic advances into the cultural and political mainstream of American life have done little to Christianize American culture, but have “done a great deal to bleach out the zeal and faith of everyday Catholics, and to weaken the power of any distinctive Catholic witness.”

“The right to pursue happiness, which is so central to the American experience, does not include a right to excuse or ignore evil in ourselves or anyone else. When we divorce our politics from a grounding in virtue and truth, we transform our country from a living moral organism into a kind of golem of legal machinery without a soul.”

Noting that Christians are often accused of waging a “culture war” on issues such as abortion, sexuality, marriage, and the family, Chaput said that the conflict is real and being fought equally hard on the other side.

“They too are ‘culture warriors,’” he said. “Neither they nor we should feel uneasy about it. Democracy thrives on the struggle of competing ideas. We steal from ourselves and from everyone else if we try to avoid that struggle.”

The archbishop described democracy as built upon the pillars of cooperation and conflict, and that both were needed to make society function.

“What that means for people of faith is this: We have a duty to treat all persons with charity and justice. We also have a duty to seek common ground where possible, but that’s never an excuse for compromising with grave evil.”

“To work as our country’s political life was intended, America needs a special kind of citizenry; we need a mature, well-informed electorate of persons able to reason clearly and rule themselves prudently,” said Chaput.

“If that’s true—and it is—then the greatest danger to American liberty in our day is not religious extremism. It’s something very different. It’s a culture of narcissism that cocoons us in dumbed down, bigoted news, vulgarity, distraction and noise, while methodically excluding God from the human imagination.”

“All of us who are people of faith need to re-examine the spirit that has ruled our approach to American life for the past many decades. In forming our pastors, teachers, and catechists—and especially the young people in our schools and religious education programs—we need to be much more penetrating and critical in our attitudes toward the culture around us.”

“Sooner or later,” he warned, “a nation based on a degraded notion of liberty, on license rather than real freedom—a nation of abortion, sexual confusion, consumer greed, and indifference to immigrants and the poor—will not be worthy of its founding ideals. And on that day, it will have no claim on virtuous hearts.”

In a clearly personal address, Chaput noted that he is shortly to turn 75 and would be obliged to submit his resignation to Pope Francis. “When I sat down to write these remarks, I did it knowing that this talk will probably be the last one I give as Archbishop of Philadelphia. So the words matter.”

“If we want a culture of religious freedom, we need to begin living that culture here, today, and now. We live it by giving ourselves wholeheartedly to God—by loving God with passion and joy, confidence and courage, and by holding nothing back. God will take care of the rest.”

jesusjnr:
Lies! Lies!! Lies!!!

For if woman was not God's original idea, how come God at time of the conception of the idea of making man, used "let them" instead of "let him" on this occasion?

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

For how was the man going to turn to them if a woman was not God's original idea?

Woman was always an integral part of God's original idea to make man in His own image, and after His likeness, for she was the one that God intended to use to turn the man, into them.

Genesis 1:27 (KJV)

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And everything was very good after God had made the woman.

Genesis 1:31 (KJV)

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Woman's problem began when she made man take the place of God in her life, for God her Maker was supposed to be her original Lord and Master, not man who was just her husband.

For that was what led her to disobedience of God's Word in the beginning.

And that was why God let her have her wish as a punishment that man shall rule over her, since she had chosen to please man instead of her maker by going contrary to His instructions.

But that punishment was reversed with the coming of her maker in the form of Man, called Jesus who reversed the curse of her sins, and reclaimed His position as her Lord and Master.

Hence His rebuke of the woman called Martha, so that she does not repeat the same mistake woman made in the beginning, in the process of trying to please man instead of her Lord and Maker.

Luke 10:41-42 (KJV)

41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Amen
Amen


1000 likes! You actually nailed it.

fergie001:
Good....

Then do you know what Obaseki is facing?

It is the one you are told that you know unless you are an insider.

lol

Obaseki manufactured his problems,

Fareedahlee44:
Oga speak for ur self..... Which one b we edolites.... I am from Edo state, and i support any means to remove him... Obaseki did nothing in Edo state... FYI, I was present during his campaigns, he promised heaven and earth, but did nothing....... Empowerment here and there, wasting our hard earned money, risking our lives on Ewu Hill, yet nothing meaningful came out of it.... I repeat again, I support any means to remove him, na him do himself.... You can't be fighting with people who made u whom u are.... Cheers

lol.

Ewu hill is federal project

Winner4Life:
Obaseki is the best and the most honest Governor in Nigeria.
Oshiomhole should please tolerate him.

osho has been tolerating him.
Now he has pulled osho's legs out in public. If he doesn't reconcile it won't end well for any of them.

Igbosmoker:
wasted efforts.

Oshiomhole will bow

lol

Are you new to edo politics?
Obaseki is still a boy, you'll understand later.

Racoon:
This Oshiomole-Obaseki feud in Edo State is another waterloo loading for the APC and good development for the polity.

Meanwhile, Oshiomole forcefully imposed Obaseki on Edo people so he should patiently bear with the unfolding political drama.

he campaigned vigorously for him, it was edo people who trusted osho and voted Obaseki.

slawomir:
Am in Benin city

And i must tell you Edolites got obaseki's back

If oshiothief should try shittt
Then a cataclysmic revolution is imminent in Edo state

story, Benin got Obaseki back, not the entire state.

Wasn't the same Obaseki part of oshiomole financial team? If osho is a thief so is Obaseki his friend.

Igbosmoker:
mr Man mind your business.

We don't practice master-slave relationship in Benin

but you guy were subject to Anineh Tony for his long?

straighttalk:
Obaseki in my humble view has displayed high level of crass disloyalty and betrayal. Oshiomole installed him in the first place to do his bidding, so if he thinks can no longer do that, then he should be prepared for FIRE

apart from some political appointments to settle certain interest groups, oshiomole didn't interfere in Obaseki government

wink2015:
Oshiomole should allow peace to reign in Edo state.

He is too controversial.

He has made the APC loose so much political opportunities across the states of the federation.

He has fought so many political battles which is needless.

He should take a cue from Chief John Odigie Oyegun who pursed political matters with so much maturity and wisdom not AGBERO style.

oyegun who was responsible for every state having two parallel executive?

Please what did oshomole do wrong in this matter, apart from the fact that you don't like him

fergie001:
He removed the roof and said he anted to repair them.,
Thereafter relocating the sitting to Govt House, Benin
..its open knowledge not stroke of luck....


The question is Edolites,how are they faring?

If you were in Benin then you will do worst. Opposition holding the government to ransom. He didn't prevent anyone from coming to the house meetings did he.


How are edolites faring, Benin is happy with their son, the rest are still waiting for the governor to do something tangible outside Benin. At least he is loved in Benin they call him wake and see.

Mk12:
how did you know they were not informed?

this is a simple case, they all said they weren't informed, 2 of those inaugurated said Obaseki kidnapped them in the night. Obaseki didn't deny it either.

What else do you want.

Sarah20A:
I agree with u on this.obaseki doesn't want to betray oshiomole but oshiomole doesn't want to respect himself

Story.

Oshiomole that talks anyhow have you heard him insult Obaseki. Obaseki always had free hand to rule, apart from appointments recommended by the party to balance certain things, Osho never had any say in the running of Obaseki government.

The people who even began this thing is not osho vs Obaseki, it is actually Obaseki vs kabaka and Co. Those guys (kabaka) are revenue collectors and party men that osho was using, they provided a lot of financial support for Obaseki election. But Obaseki removed them and computerized the system, that meant he was biting the finger that fed him. Oshomole didn't even react to that.

When buhari election came kabaka brought out huge money to buy votes for atiku, that is how Buhari lost in Benin, that was kabakas revenge against osho for ignoring his issues.

It didn't stop there the disaffection grew, both kabakas camp and Bob Izua camp, then party members in Benin started to grumble. Obaseki expected osho to support him and osho was quiet from beginning to end.

It was Obaseki who first cried foul against osho even though he refused to wade into the matter.

The one that spoilt the issue is that Obaseki did not inaugurate a majority of party lawmakers including oshomole's junior brother.

That is how osho who was quiet finally entered the matter...


So I don't know how you will say oshomole didn't respect himself, because throughout until now he has been reserved and had not undercut Obaseki.


It is even funny because Osho can do serious damage to Obaseki, the whole party structure in the state osho created them from scratch. If he wanted Obaseki gone he would have been on his case since. Everybody knows osho doesn't hold his mouth.

Mk12:
it is not a must for all lawmakers to be inaugurated same day . those who miss the proclamation can always present theirself to to the honourable speaker anytime to be sworn in and then resume their duties but some of them chose to be puppet to godfathers

actually the constitution says that all lawmakers are to be informed of the proclamation, not in secret, that is wrong.

They didn't miss the proclamation, they were deliberately not informed and thus disenfranchised from having any input in voting for principal officers of the house. So that 6 will be greater than 18. That is an injustice. Even buhari who we all condemn did not secretly proclaim the house or disenfranchise lawmakers from voting.