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adahib:
I appreciate your argument but look at it again. Foreknowledge is to some extent "foredetermined". If Your destination is known already, regardless of your the length of time you spend on the journey, regardless of the number of detours you take, regardless of the choices you make along the way, you will still get to the exact destination. I mean all the choices you made along the way didn't change your destination in the least.

no sir, the fact that he knows what will happen doesnt remove the fact that all the choices you made along the way were all yours.

God knows all the detours you will take and the whole journey, he sees how it will end after it all, how your own choices will bring either honor or dishonor

Horiolah:
So he knew Hawkins wouldn't believe in him (HELL), yet he didn't do anything about it. But he's all loving..

that is the beauty of free will, God presents him the choices and furnishes good reasons for faith. But it is your choice, he won't force you.

He is so loving that he forces no one.

You guys are grown up, stop all this.

OlujobaSamuel:
Na only you speak my mind, it's bad management practice to give an appointment you have no plan to keep.

real bad management. If your secretary confirms an appointment then the person should get an audience that is why it is an appointment.

StaffofOrayan:
Research my claims on black jews deported to Africa from Europe, their persecution, inquisition and eventual slavery and the role of the church.
And answer my question, even in the most remote places in Africa where islam/Christianity didn't reach they perform circumcision days after childbirth.
Why did the papal bull coincide with the Portuguese 'discovery' and slavery of Negros?
Don't be too quick to defend the Catholic Church

there are also papal bull against taking those discovered people as chattel slaves....

That should tell you exactly what dum diversas was about... Saracens not Africans


The last time I heard anything about black Jew's they were Ethiopians I think. So share what you have about it.


As for defending the church, clearly Christians and church leaders made serious mistakes in history but I am not in a hurry to condemn dead people because of a misunderstanding.

StaffofOrayan:
Are you willing to learn or you want to ask silly questions?

no sir.

I'm not willing to learn rubbish, but I am happy to test your claims and research them

osazsky:
d fact that u are a rev father and a pharmacist doesn't give u an edge over other doc ,what is known is known,this is not a spiritual matter,,,its medicine and sci

lol
Do you think herbal medicine is spiritual matters? It is just medicine, she just told you that the doctors and pharmacist who produced them are Catholic priest to show you they are genuine.

I used to have a reoccurring typhoid fever at specific times in the years, I always went to the hospital to be treated for it for about 5 years or more, It stopped after going there and using their herbs, I not had typhoid for over a decade....

It is not magic it is herbal medicine.

StaffofOrayan:
Hahaha
Thats the funniest thing I have read.
Look read about the expulsion of Black jews from Europe to Sao Tome, you would start to learn.
Avoid Wikipedia

so the jews are Muslim Saracens?

StaffofOrayan:
Read deeper and you would realize the 'saracens' chased out of Europe were black, Islam and Christianity has been our bane as black people even till today.
You need to read more and understand the roots of racism in the world, we as black need to understand we are being destroyed by these religions.
There is a reason we knew about circumcision before either religion brought their Crusade/Jihad, think about that carefully

the Saracens were Turk's not Africans, the Europeans usually painted their enemies in black. The Saracens were from the Middle East not Africa.

TV01:
For completeness, I am responding to part 3 of MuttleyLaffs tri-post screed ahead of possibly summarising and closing this one out.


That was the abomination of confusion, of going after "strange flesh" as it were. A depraved and detestable thing.



MuttleyLaff, you have repeatedly referred to "deceitful/misleading/mis-interpreted translations" " kindly provide the original and correct translations that Christian orthodoxy has overlooked these past 2'000 years


Christianity does not and cannot condemn gays - Christianity does not recognise such a category of person. What Christianity recognises is ss intimate behaviour as abominable.


We have done as requested and found your submissions, wanting. Ill considered as a result of ideological conviction, counter-factual, weasley, deceptive, wilfully twisted and chock full of falsehood.


We know - and this was touched on earlier in the thread. Although this word was used to try and justify ss acts, needless to say, regardless of the descriptives used, physical intimacy between members of the ss is disordered and dysfunctional.


This is your intentionally false assertion, based on an intentionally false interpretation of the words used. Pauls use of the words arsenos and koites directly refers to Greek renderings of the OT prohibitions against ss intimacy in Leviticus (18;22 and 20:13 as noted).

Your pusillanimous attempt to pluralise the word "bed" and reach to claim it means "promiscuity", and promiscuity is the issue is stunning in it's audacity.


LEVITICUS!!!!!


Lies. First, the condemnation of ss activity only starts from around v18. Second it is a universal outcry against mankind suppressing, denying and rebelling against God, not specifically about temple prostitution or ritual sex orgies.


Paul was "ranting" against all forms of ss activity/behaviour. The OT verses noted above just show that if Paul had wanted to refere to temple prostitutes, there were extant words that would have been quite suitable.


Answered above


Shoot yourself in the foot. The Levitical prohibitions were universally against ss activity. If the verses in the NT echoed them, then they are also universal.


Yes. God decrees the confusion and depravity of ss behaviour abominable - standalone or as part of idolatrous temple worship

Jesus actively engaged with sinners -it's why he came. And Jesus would not have recognised anyone as homosexual. Further The Lord pointed to the creational design and intent of sex between male and female within marriage.

Oh yes He did. Directly - Leviticus etc. And indirectly - The Lord pointing to the male/female & marriage archetypes, and via Apostles, including Paul, Peter & Jude.

All responded to - repeatedly.


It's over MuttleyLaff - quit while you are behind, lest you end up in the behind


TV

lol, love the pic

StaffofOrayan:
In 1452 Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas to King Alfonso V of Portugal which included the following words: “we grant to you…full and free permission to invade, search out, capture and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ…to reduce their persons into perpetual slavery”– “to invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens, and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed, and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions, and all movable and immovable goods whatsoever held and possessed by them and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery,

READ A BOOK BLACK MAN!!!!!

lol

That was a bull aimed at the Saracens, the moors, Turk's who were waging jihad against christians. Not chattel slavery in Africa.




The bull says that much.



Bishop Nicholas
Servant of the Servants of God. For the perpetual memory of this act:

To the dearest son in Christ Alfonse, illustrious King of Portugal and the Algarbians,Greetings and Apostolic Blessing

While we turn over in our mind the diverse concerns of the office of Apostolic service entrusted to us (although we do not deserve it) by celestial Providence, concerns by which we are every day urgently pressed, we are also moved by a persistent encouragement: we chiefly carry in our heart that the well-known anxiety, that the rage of the enemies of the name of Christ, always aggressive in contempt of the orthodox faith, could be restrained by the faithful of Christ and be subjugated to the Christian religion. To this purpose also, when the occasion of the matter demands it, we laboriously expend our free [desire/eagerness/devotion], and indeed remember to follow with fatherly affection all the faithful of Christ, especially dearest sons in Christ, illustrious Kings, professing Christ’s faith, who, for the glory of the Eternal King, eagerly defend the faith itself and with powerful arm fight its enemies. We also look attentively to labor at the defense and growing of the said Religion and all things pertaining to this healing work, should proceed from our undeserved provision, we invite, with spiritual duties and grace, the faithful of Christ and also individuals to rouse their [positions/duties?] in help/support of the faith.

1. As we indeed understand from your pious and Christian desire, you intend to subjugate the enemies of Christ, namely the Saracens, and bring [them] back, with powerful arm, to the faith of Christ, if the authority of Apostolic See supported you in this. Therefore we consider, that those rising against the Catholic faith and struggling to extinguish Christian Religion must be resisted by the faithful of Christ with courage and firmness, so that the faithful themselves, inflamed by the ardor of faith and armed with courage to be able to hate their intention, not only to go against the intention, if they prevent unjust attempts of force, but with the help of God whose soldiers they are, they stop the endeavors of the faithless, we, fortified with divine love, summoned by the charity of Christians and bound by the duty of our pastoral office, which concerns the integrity and spread of faith for which Christ our God shed his blood, wishing to encourage the vigor of the faithful and Your Royal Majesty in the most sacred intention of this kind, we grant to you full and free power,

Nodogragra4me:
Right frommthe Bible , you find the word Christian. Peter said, if you are persecuted for being a Christian, count it glory. Agrippa says, you almost persuaded me by your wisdom into becoming a Christian.... The apostle were first called Christians in Antioch.

Inquisition less by your church was against Christians.... Inquisition wasn't against Pharisee and Sadducees. It was against those identified as doing or going snout their practice the ways Christ and the apostles had done and taught


Jesus gave the holy spirit to teach us... Your church says it knows all the truth and therefor, it is the ground and pillar of the truth

Your church says there is a purgatory it has designed for her members... Neither Jesus not any of the apostles including Peter you guys referred to as your First pope knew about this...a pope many years after the apostles left this Earth came up with that idea

Your church prays to God through intermediaries including your Mary... Jesus never taught this nor the apostles... Jesus ask us to pray to the father in his name.... God himself operates, ask of me.... Not through third parties

Your church practices infant baptism introduced by a pope not the apostles

So many practices of your church has no link to Jesus Christ and his teachings.... But your church believes in reality in God but lukewarm about Jesus... Mary has more role in your church than Jesus... The holy spirit is not even reckon with in the actual operations of your church.... Your pope is your holy spirit


Protestantism is an internal disagreement within your church... Somebody saw the scripture and noticed many contradiction between your practice and what is written. He decided to fight in fa out if it is written like Jesus did. We are Pentecostals... Born on the day of Pentecost. Catholic Church was born and funded by the USA of that era, Rome.... The new mttleylaff guy has mentioned the formation

lol.

Another ignorance on display.


So after the church in the first century, it finally jumped by 1000 years to the church of the inquisition period then it finally jumped 500 years again to the church of the protestants?


Do you even know the people the inquisition was against?
The carthar heresy in Europe, the Muslim's who were practicing two religions because of taqia or the Catholics who fell into heresy, which of them Is the so-called real church? Since you think the inquisition was after real Christian. Even the founders of Protestantism were Catholics.... So who were the real Christian that weren't Catholics?

Nodogragra4me:
I have told you he didn't asked them to join him. It was a command .... It is praise ye not o come ye faithful.... It is .. praise ye and the reason he commanded them so is in chapter 5. .... There is no collaboration or featuring. It is a command to both the valleys.... You can't single out the angels while leaving out the others like fire , valleys , moon. ... If you declare that he asked angels to join him and therefore extrapolate it to means that the angels can as well pray for him then the same applies to valleys and moon and fire ... They all must be answering your prayer in your heavenly

That is why it is not good to read funny translation done in old English, praise ye, simply says praise you, it isn't a command in any sense and if you insist that you King James is a command then I present the original Hebrew that says


הַ֥לְלוּ יָ֨הּ which is pronounced as hal-lu Yah which simply means be boastful of or praise Yahweh, it isn't a command. It simply asks the whole of creation to praise God with him.

Why won't a ministering spirit see the face of God ... From whom do they take their orders? Didn't you read what the angel told Daniel, from the first day you prayed , you were heard and I was dispatched with your package.... Is that not in your won Bible .... Do you imagine if God had the role you have delegated to angels and you saints , it won't be expressly described in the scripture?

the angels are not only dispatched with the necessary package, the Bible show that they and the saints offer to God the prayer of the saints on earth in the form of incense.... They offer to God our petitions. If that fact is somehow lost to you then it must be because you have locked yourself out of the truth with your ignorance.

I know right now that in accordance with the word of God in rev 5:8 angels and saints are right now offering my petitions before God as sweet incense and that an angel is been dispatched to my help as I speak.

That you can't accept the word of God on that issue because it is against what your church says us your loss.

Prayer is the work of human beings not spirits. It is the prayer of the saints that shapes god's policy towards the earth.... The angles in revelation was given incense which he mixed with the prayers of the saints


And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand..... You don't know the meaning or difference between interceding and performing obligation .... The prayer was offered by the saints here on earth ...it was not offered by any other being but the saints ... It was then mixed with incense ... If you have not prayed into heaven by yourself , yours won't be there


King James Bible
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.


What are the inheritance for the saints?

"Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing." (AV, Revelation 5:12)... All these are for earthly beings because

"[16]And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." (AV, Revelation 5:10)


As for the light, don't confuse yourself , it is the entrance of the word that gives light .... Those saints are not in heaven but here but have received the light ahead of them

see how you have used your bias as an excuse to reinterpret the scriptures. So the saints in the kingdom of light who we are privileged to share inheritance with are those on earth? So what was the need to differentiate them as saints in Light whom the saints in the church are sharing with?

Sorry dear. I'll pray for you.

Nodogragra4me:
The numbers of nooks is neither here nor there... The sixty six before you is proving very complex because you won't allow the owners teach you what is inside..... You left your debate about angels praying for you to argue praying with you...it is no longer prsy for us but prsy with us and even that you are yet to find a verse where this happened... You scan and ended with psalm 148.... Tried to force angels praying with you into it.... Even a newly born again Christian won't interested that verse the way you have done but then it talkies with your character...somebody alsrwadh states that you have an infamous reputation for twisting the scripture... And I remember his you did exactly what with your defensive of bazaar that it is akin to buyback of first born


Point out just a verse of the scripture of somebody in heaven praying for us... Just one verse of angel or Mary or your saint praying. E erywhere you have tried to inject meaning into the Bible.... If they asked to praise therefore they can be asked to pray... We are saint in body and the one in heaven being formerly in nosy can pray for us... Not one of your inference has scriptural support...

so you don't even know the history of the Bible you have and the number of books the early church used yet you lied that all Bible history is found in the Bible?


Why the lies?

WhoBeThisMan:
jesus said himself I am the vine and ye are the branches . He is the tree trunk and we are the branches.

He said I am the way... not a way.

Amen

Nodogragra4me:
When I called him your disciples it is actually because he has the same funny interpretation of the scripture as yourself...somebody who can take the bible and declare that the Christian the apostles were called in Antioch was derisive and not honourable...that Agrippa was horrified at being called a Christian even though he was the one that used the word.... He twist the Bible like yourself


I have recommended easy to read for him since he knows nothing of what is written in the scripture... It is locked against him, also.

sorry dear, you are the person who seem ignorant.

The name Christians was given by unbelievers and it is actually derisive not honorable.

How do you think the pagans saw Jesus? He was thought of as a rabbi who became too proud and claimed a lot of things and he died like a thief. The follower of Christ is a derisive title for people who follow a dead person condemned as a criminal.

The church took it as a good thing and said it was a honor to be persecuted for been a "christian" the follower of a condemned man.


The person you are condemning is better informed than yourself and you are proud in ignorance.


It is you who have locked the scriptures against yourself with your great ignorance, your unteachable spirit and tunnel vision. It must be one of the results of fanatical Protestantism.

MiddleDimension:
yes 1man + 1woman = 1flesh

this does not in anyway exclude polygamy because in polygamy, it is still one man and one woman getting married because the ceremonies are not the same. even if the ceremonies are conducted the same time, that's still not a problem for within christianity, marriage is a spiritual thing and the man is the FULL husband of the woman and vice versa. the husband is not PARTLY the husband of any of his wives.

somebody says how can this be?

well Jesus and Paul liken the institution of marriage to the relationship between jesus and the church, the church is made up of christians individually.

when you christians accepts Jesus, you come married to him. the same thing applies to your fellow christian too. and you and him become one, right? he is fully your lord and saviour just as he is FULLY the lord and saviour of the other christian too. you are not sharing Jesus. he is not partly your husband, lord and saviour, and also someone elses lord and saviour.

in the same way too, the man is the husband if the women whole and entire!

i am not the one theorizing here, it is your bible, Paul and also Jesus himself who used the parable of the 10 virgins to illustrate this while also passing the message that you should prepare for the kingdom of god

the parable of the 10 virgins, though is primarily about you preparing yourselves for the kingom of god, but we can still see that it also shows that Jesus does not have a problem with polygamy, and that the things i said above, which i took from the teachings of paul about the relationship between god and his church, and a man and his wife, is still in line.

the 10 virgins; some were foolish, and some were wise. so when the BRIDEGROOM comes around... it is one bride groom, and when he comes around, he is going to be the bride groom of each of the virgins whole and entire. so we see here that a 1+1 is still equal to 1 for each and every virgin. and the bible likens marriage to the relationship between god and his church. so if god can be the husband of each and every christian whole and entire, bringing to mind the 1 + 1 = 1, then the man can be the husband of several women whole and entire too in the same 1 + 1 = 1 formulae.

so the fomulea above does not nullify polygamy at all, just as it does not nullify the fact that Jesus is the husband of one christian and still the husband of another christian whole and entire.

lol
The church is one bride not plenty brides.
So all Christians together as the one bride of the groom, no room for multiple brides or polygamy.



I have seen people interpret the Bible in many ways but usually my first question is, "how did the original audience interpret it? How did the early church and their successors receive the apostles words? "

If your understanding is foreign to the first 1000years of Christianity, then you must be dabbling in heresy.

That is how I check myself, I suggest you check yourself too

budaatum:
Well, the language was obviously wrong, hence the correction by the Popo. I could not utter the previous words as they made a mockery of God when I didn't intend to.

Now, all we need is an explanation of the curse in the prayer. The one that limits God's forgiveness of oneself to the exact amount by which one forgives others.

the language wasn't exactly wrong though.

I think the Greek is translated as "and bring us not to temptation".... Christians believe that nothing can happen without God's permission... Even temptation, that was supposed to be a prayer to God's Providence.

The language change is supposed to help the spiritually handicapped by presenting a dynamic equivalent instead of a word for word translation.... The old translation was faithful to the Greek but was corrected with the Latin... Frankly that's a weird choice of correction.

The curse there is on purpose, give and it shall be given to you, blessed are the merciful they shall obtain mercy.... That's not going anywhere anytime soon.

budaatum:
Finally, they hear the words they say!

Don't you worry Pope Francis. They will understand when you tell them who wrote the Bible in chapter 5!

lol.

They always heard what they say, it just needed explanation. Now the language has been clarified

adahib:
If according to Christianity, God is all knowing, he knew man even before he was born. He knows where man his headed and his destiny. He knows the choices we will make before we even make them. Most importantly, he knows the number of people who will make heaven. He knows all.

Where then lies our freewill? Where lies our right to make choices if our destinies are already predetermined? Regardless of the choices you make, God already knows where you are heading. Take the story of the repentant thief on the cross for instance. God already knew he was going to seek forgiveness in his final moments and as such regardless of how he lived his life, God already knew he was making heaven.

The concept of freewill is an illusion. As humans, we have no freewill. Whatever action you have taken and are going to take is already predestined. No matter what you do, you will end up in either hell or heaven as has been destined already. You have absolutely no say in the matter.

Ofcourse the above submissions are predicted on the fact that God is all-knowing.

You are free to share your thoughts on the matter.

foreknowledge doesn't mean foredetermined.

I know for a fact that my mom will always scold a child who steals.... A know this but it doesn't mean I am the person making her scold children. I am not influencing her freewill because I have foreknowledge of her actions.


God knows the end of a matter from the beginning but that doesn't mean he is influencing you or predetermining your choices.

Whatever decision you make His knew from the beginning that you will make them.

All knowing doesn't affect freewill

SageMK:
All religions are branches of the same mighty tree.

I do disagree.

There is but one God and Jesus is the one way to him.

No plenty branches

Nodogragra4me:
I have told you that I do not intend to continue with a back and forth argument on something you are yet to provide scriptural proof for.



If you find it in that very scripture, then you also find the moon and waters and fires asked to pray for you or you mean to claim it is only the angels that was mentioned in your own version of the Bible. When meanings are not clear, start from the beginning and go beyond your focus... The summary of psalm 148 is this: let the heavens...heavens not heaven and the earth and all that is in it praise the Lord. Here is the complete verse since yours is not complete... Show me where the angles were ask to pray with us or for us, in the entire chapter


"1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. 2 Praise ye him, all his [1] angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. 4 Praise him, [2] ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for [3] he commanded, and they were created. 6 [4]He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass. 7 Praise the LORD from the earth, [5] ye dragons, and all deeps: 8 Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word: 9 [6]Mountains, and all hills; fruitful trees, and all cedars: 10 Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl: 11 Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and [7] all judges of the earth: 12 Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children: 13 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for [8] his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven. 14 He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, [9] a people near unto him. Praise ye the LORD." (AV, Psalms 148:1-14)

hope you didn't go blind because the bolder clearly shows that the psalmist asked the ANGELS as well as all of creation to join in his prayer of praise.

adding your opinion everywhere won't give it credibility...Go and read the scriptures again but slowly. It didn't indicate that any angle do prsy for you... The very one you have picked out never said they pray for you.. There are ministering angels for little babies... God expects you to grow hence the scripture that says you should desire the sincere milk of the word so you can grow thereby

And the ministering spirits always see the face of God.

YOU are not a smart person and I doubt if you have core understanding... Your very scripture says HE WAS GIVEN INCENSE TO MINGLE WITH THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS.... THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS.... AT WHAT point did he start praying for you in that very verse, point out where he assumed the praying...... He was given to perform the protocol established in heaven... He was given.. He didn't pray.... He was given and he was considering according to instruction....angles are servants..they are ministers of God instruction. You are yet to find an escape... You are dull in reasoning out the scripture because you are trying to do it like the Ethiopian eunuch...with the intellect

now you see you are the not so smart guy lacking understanding.



What do you understand by the fact that someone is offering up other people's prayers to God.?

When you offers somebody's prayers to God, what are you doing?

What you have posted from the scripture never alluded to anyone cheering you in your race.

See your closing remark.. A personal opinion of what you think is in the scripture not really what is in the scripture... Interecessor are fellow saints..saints here...fellow Christians not a make believe Mary, or angel Gabriel or saints in heaven

since intercessors are fellow Saints then they include the saints in heaven


Colossians 1:12 New King James Version (NKJV)
12 giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.


If the saints on earth can intercede then those in Light also do same

BBYYOLA:
Part of our problem in Nigeria is that we are too emotional. We attach sentiment to almost everything. If a law is made by Christian leader we it is anti-muslims, if made by muslim leader we say it is anti-christians.

I don't think there is anything wrong with this law. Infact the new law will affect Muslims preachers even more.

And with all fairness both JNI and CAN where invited as stakeholders to make inputs and contributions but CAN refused to partake. At least they should participates to make inputs.


Please you people should try to find the law and go through it.


I recommend it for passage as law for the entire Nigeria.

CAN will never contribute to such a bill because the government does not how the power to control peoples religion, who should preach and when.

Warship:
You are still a baby that is why you think priests aren't recruited by DSS.

you are the baby who doesn't know what the Catholic priesthood entails.

Nodogragra4me:
I rarely discuss Church history when it has to do with the scriptures. The reason being that every thing about the scripture is inside the scripture. The authorship is explained inside the scripture... Like this catholic guy claim that about Christian and origin. .... Having explained the three scripture on Christian he has ran away because suddenly a new light has entered his soul.

so since it is all explained in the Bible, please show me the verse that says John wrote the gospel of John or Matthew wrote that the church ascribed to matthew or that Mark wrote the book the church ascribed to him?

Everything is inside the bible but firmly locked against believers. Only Christians believers can access the spirit of the Bible... Christian believer are those who absolutely beloved in Christ. Not those who partially believe, not those who adds their own principles added to his to make it complete like purgatory, praying to some dead crew or Mary Or those who proclaim the Bible as just one of the tool

To all such the Bible is padlocked... They think and imagine they j ow what is inside but they don't.... The spirit has never revealed anything to them.

so this is what your pastor told you to confuse you?


Do you even know how many books the early Christians were reading as scriptures? For your information it wasn't 66 �

Ubenedictus:
And you think you are making sense?

If Catholics aren't Christian then there are no Christian in the world, there were never Christians in the world, there will never be Christians in the world.


In case you don't know, Protestantism began just 500 years ago, for the first 1500 years after Jesus' resurrection there were no protestants, all that existed for the first 1000 years were forms of Catholicism. So suddenly you think Christianity began 500 years ago with protestants abi?



Or it was only in the first century and then it jumped and began again in the 15th century?

nodogragra4me, care to tell me how you reconcile the above?

Nodogragra4me:
Christian do it Christ way. Follows his instructions. ... I am the way , the truth and the life .... But you declare that you and your church is the truth and the way ...ground of it. You have many agents in the heavens as your intercessors and honours Mary much more than you worship God ... Those are deviation from the Christ way.


By the way , this your disciple , yet to know his name says there was no Christianity until Constantine gave us one and this guy is one of you. Is his submission a doctrine in the Catholic church?

How do you reconcile that ?

Catholics are Christians in fact the original Christian faith and we do it the Jesus' way, he says he is the way the truth and the life and we believe, he inspired the Holy Spirit to teach us that his Church, the Catholic Church is the pillar and bulwark of truth and we also believe. We also remember with honor those who handed the faith to us, the apostles and evangelists and as they are the same body with us we ask their prayers and emulate their lives.

That is no deviation from the Christ way, that is the Christ way.

Multtylaff certainly isn't my disciple, from what I can tell his views lies close to Anglicanism a heresy akin to Protestantism. As you must have noticed, he is a grown man with a mind of his own. So enjoy him and consider his post as his, if you are brilliant maybe you will have an answer for some of his stuff because he tend to read wider than the average protestant.

9inches:
Intercession is not salvation. When you pray for your brethren, you're not saving him because you're not God. I would like you to be quoting directly from catholic materials/sources/texts when say what catholics believe or teach.

why is he mentioning me in every thread?

Uyi168:
..
Buh People of the earth actually wrote the bible..

always remember to add the phrase "under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit".

That qualifies the statement

Warship:
Sleep there

You think DSS is for only a specific people.

It comprises of different kinds of people.

do you even realize how stupid you sound?

This is a Catholic priest not some fake pastor and you think he somehow is a security man.


Abeg go and sleep.

kingzizzy:
Nobody enforces Biafra. Isnt it strange and curious that all of Igbo land, the only person IPOB is enforcing sit at home on is a priest?

I am in Igbo land, don't tell me nonsense, last year in anambra it was enforced. Stop telling lies.