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joseph1832:
Seven sacrament? Now that sounds very cultish, don't you think so?

At the emboldened, any man or woman who believes his or her partner must sacrifice what he or she can't sacrifice is somebody anybody who knows what he or she is doing shouldn't even consider getting married to.

7 Sacrament isnt cultish, catholic usually recieve 6 to 7 sacrament in a lifetime, they include baptism, confirmation, holy communion, matrimony, ordination, confession and anoiting of d sick.

linearity:
The definition of 'elder' is superior to another in age....Priest are not the most superior people in the church. There are many priests who graduated senior seminary at say age 25 and in a few years thereafter they are ordained priest and 75-80 yrs old elders would be required to make confession to them contrary to the passage you quoted above.

...why doesn't the church also allow confessions to be made to the elders in the church?

AN elder in church isnt by age, it is an office, titus and timothy were elders in d church even though they were yound men.

Ayoku77

Offering someone else prayer before God is called intercession. That is exactly what the angel did, he offered d prayers of the saints to God, That is very clear, an angel still present the prayers of the saint before God. That office didnt end when Jesus became d only mediator, instead all in Christ, both angels and the host of heaven still present ur prayers before GOD. The one who prayed is d saints, the one prayed to is God, the one who presented d prayers to God and mixed it with incense (i.e made it pleasing and acceptable) is an angel. clearly the angel is a go-between in this case, the angel interceeded.

Syncan clearly explained this and it is laughable that u find something this clear to be ludicrous

honeric01:
I am talking about Jesus and not James, i don't follow James, i am following Jesus.

Men ought to pray and not faint.. i hope you know what that means? i don't need anyone to pray for me when i can do the praying myself. if my faith is not enough, i simply join it with that of other believers i trust. (be it my pastor, my brother, wife, choir master or anyone who's got root in Christ).

HEHEHEHE, I couldnt help laughing, someone has degraded the word of God because it doesnt agree with his church doctrine. so james was not inspired and speaking of d holyspirit when he wrote those word.

u have rejected d bible.

DoctorAlien:
analice107,

The spirit of the antichrist was already at work even during Paul"s days(2 Thess. 2:7). The Pope is the antichrist by every definition. He is the man of sin, the son of perdition(2 Thess. 2:2-3).

He opposes and exalts himself above all that is called GOD, or that is worshipped, and sits in the temple of GOD, showing himself that He is GOD.(v.4) The pope has on many occasions claimed to be GOD. He takes GOD's own name "Holy." Guess his name? "VICARIVS FILII DEI" which means "Instead of the Son of GOD."

Is it surprising that the Pope appears all harmless and sanctimonious? The coming of the antichrist is with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness.(v. 9-10).

By the grace of GOD, I'll open a thread on this.

The pope doesnt used that title, it only appear in an old forgery and it doesnt mean instead of d son of God it means representative of d son of God.

analice107:
oooooooo dear. Christ is much more capable of defending her bride.

If you read this book "Arabs, Christians, and Jews : Whose Side is God On?" by James C. Hefley. You'll throw up at what the Catholic Church used that term "Crusade" to do. Against the protestant Christians, Muslims and Jews, especially the Jews they pretended to fight to preserve.

When i read that book, i understood why the Muslims can never forgive the Catholic church which they mistake for Christianity.
The Catholic Church is and has always been for satan. Catholicism does not stand for Christ, has never stood for Christ.
Their long term agenda was to turn every Christian with time to atheism.

OH! and d muslims were all innocent lambs led to slaughter by d evil church right? for the 1600yrs when catholicism had power there was no mass atheism, it took 400yrs of contradictory protestants to confirm it. thank God for d crusade mayb by now u would b a muslim by jihad.

Ishilove:
Sis, I've been told it's a cult parading under Christianity. Why the church allows them thrive in their midst is baffling

So u think any time d word cult appears it immediately means a bad thing? hope u know xtianity itself may be rightly described as a cult. there is nothing baffling or evil about catholic knighthood.

Ishilove:
Baba nla cult, from what I've been told

The problem with hearsay is that it robs even the intelligent of right reasoning. it is always a bad idea to pass judgment based on road side gossip.

analice107:
Technically Yes, he is. But right now, he is operating under the influence of the spirit of the Antichrist. Since the person of the Antichrist hasn't manifested yet.

The Papal Office is actually going to be the office of the False Prophet to the Antichrist.

The Pope will be the one to rally the worlds religions under one Religion to worship the Antichrist.

It is beginning to show, follow the recent Popes closely. The present Pope is good at his Job. Very soon the Catholic Pope will deny that Christ is the son of God.

Very soon, there will be a revolution again, so many Catholics shall come to realize that The Catholic Religion is indeed satanic.

KEEP hoping, very soon u will grow old and the pope will still be proclaiming christ.

branhampaul:
"VICARIVS FILII DEI" Is On The Throne Were He Sits.. It Means "Instead Of The Son Of God", He Is Claiming To Be The Successor To The Son Of God.
They Claim That Every Pope Following Him Is A Successor Of Jesus Christ..
Add Up "VICARIVS FILII DEI" IN ROMAN NUMERAL And You'll Get 666.. (add It Up YourSelf Like This, V+I+C... For 5+1+10 And So On)..

first of all, vicarius filii dei isnt written on the popes throne, infact historically d title is not even an official title of d pope.

2ndly mainly names come up wit 666, eg ceasar nero, ellen whyte d founder of SDA, even martin luther, are we to bgin accusing them of being d antichrist?

rome has 7 hills, but d city of d pope i.e d vatican doesn have 7 hill, besides many cities like jerusalem are built on 7 hill.
3rdly d bible says d antichrist will deny Jesus came in d flesh, the pope doesnt deny it and no pope can. d pope isnt d antichrist.
be careful not to tell lies.

ayoku777:
I've shown you from scriptures that angels no longer meditate as intercessors or advocates between God and men under the new covenant.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

If angels still mediate in heaven between God and man, Jesus would not be the only mediator. And the scripture that said there is only one mediator between God and men would be wrong.

Shalom

it was earlier settled by syncan that d unique mediatorship of Jesus doesnt prevent those in christ from interceeding.
Jesus is d only mediator yet d bible shows that i and any one in christ can interceed,

The angel also interceed.
Rev.8:3-4 " [An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer and he was given much incense to
mingle with the prayers of all the
saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints...

mrZENographer:
You speak like a false teacher and not someone who is ready to learn.

To answer your twisted comment:

It says bless the Lord ye his angels. It didn't say pray for them ye his angels. In Heaven, all heavenly beings praise God 24/7 not pray. You can see several of this in the book of revelations. E.g Rev 4:11-12.

the passage show david asking d angels to join him in his prayer, that is esentially what catholics do. the bible clearly shows that we can ask the host of heaven to join us in prayer, and mind u, angels and saints dont just worship in heaven, the bible show that they also present our petition before God. that is intercession.

The only intercessor we have is Jesus. Hebrews 7:25...

If you have all things in Christ, why then are you turning your face to Mary and angels?

becos mary and d saints and angels are all in christ. if u claim to know christ and u cant recognise those in him then ur faith is problematic or failing.

ayoku777:
Moses was not a mediator between God and man, get your facts right. He was a mediator between the angel of God and the people of God (the jews).

It was angels that mediated between God and Moses. The law was ordained (commissioned and commuted) by angels to Moses.

Gal 3v19 -Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

To mediate between God and man, you need to appear before the presence of God in heaven on behalf of men. That is the scriptural context of a mediator.

The bible says u are lying.

New Living Translation

Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people

mrZENographer:
Your statements can be criticiZed in one sentence. "Pray ye for one another..."John 5:16
He was not saying this to saints in Heaven. Was he? The answer is obviously clear that he was referring to the earthly saints. We are required to help one another and pray together.

Nor does he excludes the saints in heaven. they are fellow members of the body of christ are they not? if d member on earth can pray why not those in heaven? or is it because ur pastor says so.

mrZENographer:
You speak like a false teacher and not someone who is ready to learn.

To answer your twisted comment:

It says bless the Lord ye his angels. It didn't say pray for them ye his angels. In Heaven, all heavenly beings praise God 24/7 not pray. You can see several of this in the book of revelations. E.g Rev 4:11-12.

The only intercessor we have is Jesus. Hebrews 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession forthem."

If you have all things in Christ, why then are you turning your face to Mary and angels?

"Let no man beguile you of your reward in avoluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind"

My dear, you are intruding into things that you have not seen neither have you heard the word of God say so. You are rather, vainly PUFFED UP by your fleshly mind.

REALLY? INSULTS?

OLAADEGBU:
We do not attain grace but obtain it by faith alone in Jesus Christ. And if you truly believe that Christ's sacrifice paid for the penalty of our sins then why do you seek to add your works to His completed work of grace? You believe that He has to die repeatedly every time you partake in the mass ritual and yet you say that He paid once and for all. How contradictory is that?

Why are u lying? where does d church that that Jesus dies again in every mass.?

ayoku777:
Angels can stand before God to worship or take instructions as errand spirits. But no longer to mediate as intercessors or advocates on behalf of men.

If you have scriptures that reveal they still do post-resurrection of Christ, feel free to share.

Your opinion does not count, we establish doctrine with scripture, and the teachings of the apostles.

Shalom.

THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THEY HAVE STOP PERFORMING THAT ROLE. The bible doesnt teach anywhere that the intercession of the angels have come to an end. Instead it shows us in rev that the angels still continue to offer d prayers of d saint to God.

the bible bears witness against u, it doesnt teach anywhere dat d role has stoped instead it shows us angel assuming dat role in heaven.

daviddext
The bible says the angels behold d face of God, they dont need to fly to heaven, heaven is a state of being not a geographical location, the state of beholding GOD. D bible clearly shows the angels interceeding and joining in prayer, if that doesnt teach u, nothing will.

Gombs:
When did God enter a covenant with Jesus?

A. Heaven
B. Earth

Thanks.

33AD if our calender is correct. Jesus mediated a covenant between God and man in heaven and on earth.

brocab:
Uben you are not even Christian...

HEHEHE MAY GOD HELP U.

Syncan:
You've said it all nne, it's unlike this thread to let us go this number of posts without interjection from the likes of kamsified, FrancisTony,Rich4God, Uncle Ubenedictus, etc. As a matter of fact babestell would have asked us to get a room by now Lol

Who call my name?

analice107:
Wait, let me remember how long ago i left Catholic Church. hmmm... not that long. And i never saw any one baptized by immersion. And i happen to come from where there's plenty of water bodies.

Immersion is not part of Catholicism, almost everyone in my immediate and extended family are still catholics, so more or less, am stills in there. There's nothing i don't know about it.

This is an example of ignorance and arrogance, the cc does immersion. read before u speak about things u dont know.

LieDetector:
proofs are everywhere. Check history and educate yourself.


"How long does it take for a body to decompose?

The exact time differs. When a person’s heart stops pumping blood to the body, the cells and tissues are denied oxygen and rapidly start dying. Substantial decomposition mostly occurs in the course of two weeks, and the body’s soft tissues start disintegrating even with preservation. If the body does not get enough protection from the elements, it can even skeletonize in a space of a year. However, the teeth and bones can last even for a hundred years if the soil is not highly acidic and warm. The following table shows body decomposition after death in a timeline (in moderate temperature)...

So how common is it to have a non decomposed body after years?

jagugu88li:
Exactly, how then do they qualify as incorruptible when they are infact waxed and replicated? Because by incorruptible my understanding is rigor mortis and decomposition more especially, to mention few wont occur. Your body remains as that of a sleeping individual.

We've been deceived for far too long, I don tire.



Help me out here. Explain to me your incorruptible, then maybe I will believe they really are.

SOme were wax, some werent, but even those that were wax had already spent years in d grave before they were wax. what is d posibility of not decomposing after many yrs?

jagugu88li:
I've heard of incorruptible saints before and the only difference between this girl and them is that the girl has been waxed, whereas these incorruptibles are naturally preserved (which is still confusing for me). They are all said to be Catholics. Some of them also date back to 100years and more.

This reminds of them. I believe non of it unfortunately.

Some arent catholic but orthodox.

analice107:
Ah okay, Sorry, Now sir tell us the activities of the Catholic Pope during the Crusades.
Evil people fighting to justify evil.

Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots...

you can read up by yourself, the crusades were usually called by the pope, and he sometimes condemns the excesses of d crusaders.

DoctorAlien:
analice107,

The spirit of the antichrist was already at work even during Paul"s days(2 Thess. 2:7). The Pope is the antichrist by every definition. He is the man of sin, the son of perdition(2 Thess. 2:2-3).

He opposes and exalts himself above all that is called GOD, or that is worshipped, and sits in the temple of GOD, showing himself that He is GOD.(v.4) The pope has on many occasions claimed to be GOD. He takes GOD's own name "Holy." Guess his name? "VICARIVS FILII DEI" which means "Instead of the Son of GOD."

Is it surprising that the Pope appears all harmless and sanctimonious? The coming of the antichrist is with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness.(v. 9-10).

By the grace of GOD, I'll open a thread on this.

WHERE did the pope claim to be GOD?

Papist:
The Church of England started the crusades? That's news because the last time I checked, the Church of England was invented about 400 years after Pope Urban ll called for the first crusade. If I am not missing something then you are a complete ignoramus with a big mouth.

That one was funny. people can talk about what they know nothing about.

ezeagu:
These names are hybrid, just like Ika culture for the most part.

ehi (Edo) + oma (Igbo)
ose (Edo) + dodo (Igbo)
ehi (Edo) + wa riọ (Igbo)
ehi (Edo) + -m (mụ) e nịne omiken (Igbo)

I'm not even sure if 'ehi' is Edo because Ika is Igbo based and the lexicon is mostly Igbo.

EHi is edO

Igboid:
The migrating people from Bini to Anioma were Igbo speaking already. Eze Chima migration was a reverse migration. His name is Eze Chima for crying out loud. Not Osaze Osazuwa.

So even though they resided in Bini, they were not Binis. This is the only logical explanation why they were Igbo speaking from the word go!


They had bini friends in their company, yet on getting to Anioma, they met many primitive Igbo speaking groups already stationed there. This too was recorded in their histories.
It was easy to see why Igbo language prevailed in the end there.

Take a look at this ika names, ehi, ose, they are edoid.
1. ehiabor- Gods blessing
2. ehioma - GOD is good
3. ehiwarrior- it is god we pray to
4. omiken- mercy
5. ehimeninomiken God has shown me mercy
6. osedodo- God i plead
7. ehiedu- God leads
8. kpanmiose- God i thank you
9. ewere- good luck
10. osebor - Gods blessing

Igboid:
The migrating people from Bini to Anioma were Igbo speaking already. Eze Chima migration was a reverse migration. His name is Eze Chima for crying out loud. Not Osaze Osazuwa.

So even though they resided in Bini, they were not Binis. This is the only logical explanation why they were Igbo speaking from the word go!


They had bini friends in their company, yet on getting to Anioma, they met many primitive Igbo speaking groups already stationed there. This too was recorded in their histories.
It was easy to see why Igbo language prevailed in the end there.

Yah it may very well b true, eze chima may already b ibo. And it may be true that his migration populated the area with ibos even though the primitive people were edoid, and subsequent ibo migration turned the tide of language, the edoid clothing, culture and even names remained but the language and evolve to 80% igbo.

My point is dat the migration and primitive people may b either ibo or non ibo.

Ikechukwu48:
The binis you see in anioma today are children of migrants. No offence but the Bini have also tried on multiple occasions to rewrite severall anioma history....for example: the Agbor. Prior to the current agbor king who testify that agbor kingdom stems from Benin kingdom, his father wrote a book stating otherwise. In the book, his dad attested that the origin is currently unknown and even stated and I quote "even the Bini that claims he's one of their own". It's similar to how I read an Onitsha argument about their origin and several of their people stated that the Binis migrated with their current leader to Onitsha but unfortunately, they started rewriting their history till now Onitsha is wrongly known as a kingdom started by Bini despite it is not. I've not read issele uku history so I cannot truly say if it's the same scenario but who knows

It is not bini who began the onitcha story, onitcha themselve began the story zik and so on.