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brocab:
No never, I would rather see you saved, and become a born again believer as I am...

By grace I have been saved thru faith, i have been born of water and the holyspirit and i am a believer.
it is arrogance to presume to know the state of my soul.

Ngozi123:
The person I quoted said that most Igbos in the aforementioned areas are descendants of Bini people. This is not true. There is a difference between having a small amount of Bini blood- intermixing isn't rare in a lot of places in Igboland- and being of direct Bini heritage, like that person suggested. My last name sounds a little Bini and I know that some of my ancestors migrated from Benin to where they are now. However, this was as a result of reverse migration; I'm not exactly sure why they went back to their original homeland in the East- I'll have to do some more research on that- but their 'Igboness' is undeniable. We may have some similarities with the Bini people, that's what happens when you live under an empire, but we are not Bini.

IT is interesting dat u think ur bini surname is reverse migration.

Igboid:
Lol! You can't be serious. In absence of a colonial Igbo land forcing Igbo language on groups. It's obvious that the Language of the majority of the dwellers in Ancient Anioma was Igbo, as Igbo language ended up swallowing all other languages there, despite the imperial power of Bini on Anioma and the proximity of Ika and Even Igbanke to Edo, the people ended up with a classical Igbo dialect. Except in few cases where these immigrants founded their own independent communities, as in Ebu ( Igala) and Odiani ( Olukumi) could Igbo language of the majority of the natives of anioma not prevail.

Even Odiani today is seriously assimilating into Igbo mainstream of Anioma, as they kings now go by the name "Obi" and with Igbo names and titles to match.

Its not hard for any genuine anthropologist to figure out who were the main inhabitants and were in majority in Anioma before the arrival of others.

The languge simply means that the ibo migration was largest

Igboid:
Are many Yorubas ancestrally Yorubas?

Are the Ijebus not Sudanese descendants? Is Oduduwa not a Bini Prince?

Is Lagos dynasty no longer of Bini ancestry?
Are most Oyo people not Nupes who conquered Katunga and assimilated into the Yoruba groups there? Are half of those Yoruba speaking Kwarans no longer Hausa and Fulani people that conquered those places, but were still overwhelmed by the indigenous population, so much that they had to assimilate and today speak and answer Yoruba names?

What's this fascination of Nigerians with everything Igbo. Are there any ethnic group on earth that is 100% homogeneous and don't incorporate non ethnic neighboring migrant societies who become assimilated into their host language and culture?

The problem is that we dont know who are the migrants and who are the first settlers in this case. many of d villages could be bini, some ibo, so even igala, what we are sure is dat there are several migration waves.

mrZENographer:
No example in the bible is laid out that we should pray to saints that are gone from Earth NO NO NO WHERE. Please show me.

i hate legalism but i'll indulge u.
I don't know if u have ever prayed this psalms, but in it d bible give us examples of praying with the host of heaven ie angels and saints. if it isn't wrong for d bible to ask the hosts of heaven to pray with d believer, if it actually shows people praying with the host of heaven and it isn't a sin, then i am happy to do same.

"Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).
i hope u can see how profitable scripture is in teaching and instructing unto righteousness.

U want me to readress dis so i will

mrZENographer:
You keep talking trash. If the saints are not the body of christ, then who is?

u believe that the saints are members of d body of christ yet u deny them the rights and previledge of a member in d body of christ.

My points is they are gone, they are in heaven. You cant be praying to them or requesting of them, because the bible says our mediator is Jesus Christ. It's him that intercedes for thesaints on Earth.

you blive u can interceed yet when a fellow member of d body of christ interceed u cry foul! if u can interceed when Jesus is d sole mediator by praying in Jesus name, so too can d saints.

He is called Our High Priest and Intercessor in the book of Hebrews.

amen, and that didnt stop u from interceeding why should it stop another member of christ's body?

NICENEDU29:
My dear you argue so blindly. Without anything more, the name of the place "Anioma" alone is enough to convince anybody, even the biblical "Thomas the Arguer" beyond doubt that Anioma is Igbo. Pls get sense ok.

It is not so cut and dry many anioma people are anscetral non ibos. besides anioma is a new construct.

mrZENographer:
Chei!!!
Which kyn freak be this? In 1 Cor12:21-26 paul is addressing the church of corinthians and is referring to the inequality in the church and neglecting of those that are needy. This did not in the iort-est point hint to those in heaven. Gosh you're such a crude thinker and bible twister.

drop d insult pls
paul was talking about d body of christ, and u just said d saint are part of it. flee free to change ur previous position. if they are all part of d body then we have fellowship with them.

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,... That the man of God may be thoroughly furnished unto every good work".
Glorified saints have no need of this. They are already perfect in heaven. So counselling in no way refers to them.

now u have gone off point.

brocab:
Hello Ubenedictus, to be honest I thought you had past on, but na, you haven't changed you are still the one sneaking and hiding around the traps.

I am not dead if tha is what u hope 4.

Ngozi123:
As someone who actually has ancestral ties to the Aniomas in Delta State, I will politely ask you to refrain from saying things that you have little understanding about. My people have also been accused, by some, of being descendents of the Bini people but that is not true. There is a difference between having a significant amount of Bini blood and being influenced by Bini culture due to living under the now defunct Benin Kingdom. What we witness today in Anioma and Onitsha and its environs is the result of a 'reverse migration'.

There are binis who now anioma, very many villages in onitcha-ugbo goes by d prefix 'idumu' that is a bini word, it shows that the time they were named the people had a bini-ish language, the history of issele uku says they migrated from bini. i also know a chiefly anioma family and their anscentral name is isibor, which is bini not ika or iboid. There is a lot of bini anscentry in anioma.

sekundosekundo:
You didn't make any point. Your comments sounds like a combined urine of teenagers.

Which u couldnt refute, u didnt provide a single historic source or propose an intelligible point. since u have descended to insult that shows u really have no point.

mrZENographer:
If the saints are not the body of christ, then who is?
My points is they are gone, they are in heaven. You cant be praying to them or requesting of them, because the bible says our mediator is Jesus Christ. It's him that intercedes for thesaints on Earth. He is called Our High Priest and Intercessor in the book of Hebrews. No example in the bible is laid out that we should pray to saints that are gone from Earth NO NO NO WHERE. Please show me.

So you agree that the saints are members of the body of christ too, what does the bible say about the body of christ?
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE TELL YOU ABOUT THE BODY OF CHRIST IN 1 COR 12 ESPECIALLY VERSE 21-26?
Can the christians on earth say to the xtians in heaven, 'we dont need u'? Doesn't d bible say that the body is made that all members may have the same care for each other? And wen one suffer all do too. Does death stop those in heaven from fellowshiping in d body of Christ?

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



You want to be saved, do you not?

Seek YAHSHUA first, then worry about the rest, later!

WHAT THE HECK IS THAT?

btoks:
But you believe the bible books are scripture as compiled by the same Catholic Church?!!!!!

I doubt the OP wanted this thread to become another Catholic Bashing thread!! OP may want to get posters back on track.

I guess i have some blame in derailing d thread.

sekundosekundo:
They compiled the Bible and they end up worshiping Idol.

And yet you cant refute any of the points that i raised but have no problem with glib comments.

brocab:
Well if are having trouble understanding the truth about the Catholic Church, then I advise you to study up a little at least you will understand what the hell I am talking about.
And it won't sound senseless or disjointed to your own approval.

Take ur own advise, go and study so u can talk factually.

Gombs:
^^
Thanks for your time

I guess this is what you say when your doctrine of men is exposed.

for the benefit of those reading, Jesus mediates a new covenant according to heb 9, a covenant is a bond, a contract between two parties, so Jesus is the mediator between two parties, and the bible tells us who the parties are
1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; the parties are God and man. that means every human being in Christ Jesus have a covenant with God. that is what the scriptures say. so gomb which do you prefer the word of God or the word of pastor chris?

mrZENographer:
50% of what you wrote were trash. Which true christian doesnt respect the heroes of faith?
Then and why should you ask the intercession of saints dead. Our only mediator to God is Jesus Christ, Son of God.
If the saints are living, we can ask them to pray for us. It's not when they are gone. You cannot communicate with the dead, only demons will answer you.

And yes, my accusations are genuine and honest. It's even much worse and horrorful when you begin to research the creeds and recitations made. I ceased to argue with Catholics long ago because it's only miracle that can arrest you folks. And only God's intervention can lift off that blindfilm in a catholic's eye

Oh i think you are the one who needs to be freed from ur blinders. It seems ur pastors have lied to u that the saints are not members of the body of Christ, u have been decieved. Jesus said he who believes in him will never die. The saints are alive and the are part of d body of Christ.

Amyleb:
You don't get it at all. When we pray for our loved ones, it is done in the name of Jesus Christ, we make the prayer to the father through the Son ( Jesus, the WAY), with the holy spirit giving us the right words to say.

who told u the intercession of the saints isnt thru Jesus

Geist:
Lol , is that all you could say? You don't have any sources that says otherwise?

good point, at least u noticed she isnt refuting anything

sekundosekundo:
Compiled by Catholic to deceive the gullible. Catholics and Idol worshipers are the same.

what historic source do u have that state otherwise,

You can read about the works of eusebius below, they werent writting by the catholic church to decieve people

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius

sekundosekundo:
Peter was not a Pope neither did he worship on a Sunday. It's not possible that Apostle Peter bowed b4 Catholic images. Pls follow Peter from the day of Pentecost to his death you will discover that Catholic wasn't in existence. You can google the first Pope and see things for yourself. There's no history of Peter bn a Pope if you hv show me.

were all these below also written by the catholic church?

St. Irenaeus "The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul],
having founded and built up the church
[of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the
episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies
3:3:3 [A.D. 189]). Tertullian "[T]his is the way in which the apostolic
churches transmit their lists: like the
church of the Smyrneans, which records
that Polycarp was placed there by John,
like the church of the Romans, where
Clement was ordained by Peter" (Demurrer Against the Heretics 32:2 [A.D. 200]). The Little Labyrinth "Victor . . . was the thirteenth bishop of
Rome from Peter" (The Little Labyrinth
[A.D. 211], in Eusebius, Church History
5:28:3).

sekundosekundo:
Compiled by Catholic to deceive the gullible. Catholics and Idol worshipers are the same.

eusebius of caesaria is a christian historian any history student will know his works, they were written by him and contain the history of abt 300yrs of christianity. The fact that you think the catholic church wrote the works of eusebius to decieve people show you are ignorant of simple christian history go and educate yourself.

This below was written by by another early xtian.

"The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul],
having founded and built up the church
[of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the
episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies
3:3:3 [A.D. 189]).

mrZENographer:
Jesus!!! Lady, did you just hear yourself? Even stones will rise to hail mary? A proposition that Jesus reserved for God alone, thats what your attributing to Mary? God hav mercy on you.

God promised Abraham that all nations shall call him blessed. Abraham is blessed, the Father of Faith. Yet we dont hail him in prayers.

Also Isreal, God's own people. He said "And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts."

This didn't mean they should be equated with God or transform them to deities.
CATHOLIC EXPERIENCE: Thou i was never a catholic, i went to a a big catholic secondary school (Maryland comrehensive). And every friday or so (not clear) we went to the cathedral to pray. And hailing mary mary and singing and taking communion. Ofcourse i never took that defiled thing because my spirit perceive its not of God even though i knew little about catholism.

God said to Abraham. But this one is that Mary, a mortal said about herself. And you people have been praying to her. Who doesnt know or acknowledge that Mary is blessed? Even i do. But to start praying to her is something even she, never expected to happen. It's IDOLATRY.

hahaha, i am not a lady. The word of GOd is everlasting and imuttable. The word says all generation will call her blessed if we fail GOd will validate his word and cause even stones to fufill it. That is not idolatry that is the power of GODs word.

I am really sorry for you if you do not remember the heroes of your faith when you pray, i am sorry for you that you dont ask their intercession and i am sorry you dont imitate their lives, for me abraham, peter, paul ... And even mary are my brothers and sisters in the faith, i remember them when i pray, i imitate their lives and since my bible tells me i have fellowsship with them, i also ask their intercession.

I dont equate them witth God though, since that is idolatry and heavily condemned by the catholic church as they are mortal.

Next time try to know what people belive before u sttart accusing them of what they dont believe, u have made 2 false accusations here, 1st u claimed catholics go to mass to hail mary, now u are lying that we equate her to GOD. THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS

sekundosekundo:
Peter was not a Pope neither did he worship on a Sunday. It's not possible that Apostle Peter bowed b4 Catholic images. Pls follow Peter from the day of Pentecost to his death you will discover that Catholic wasn't in existence. You can google the first Pope and see things for yourself. There's no history of Peter bn a Pope if you hv show me.

Eusebius of caesaria is the foremost christian historian from that time

Eusebius of Caesaria (A.D. 265-340) tells us in his "Church History" who succeeded him: Ch. 2
"After the martyrdom of Paul and of Peter, Linus was the first to obtain the episcopate of the church at Rome. Paul mentions him, when writing to Timothy from Rome, in the salutation at the end of the epistle". Ch. 13
"After [Emperor] Vespasian had reigned ten years Titus, his son, succeeded him. In the second year of his reign, Linus, who had been bishop of the church of Rome for twelve
years [Note: it was actually 9 years], delivered his office to Anencletus. But Titus was succeeded by his brother Domitian after he had reigned two years and the same number of months." Ch. 15
"In the twelfth year of the same reign Clement
succeeded Anencletus after the latter had been bishop of the church of Rome for twelve
years. The apostle in his Epistle to the Philippians informs us that this Clement was his fellow-worker. His words are as follows: 'With Clement and the rest of my fellow- laborers whose names are in the book of life.'" And so forth.
Does your
faith community have a lineage like the one below?

sekundosekundo:
The Bible may not record the deaths of the apostles but as Christians we hv details of them. There's no detail of Peter bn a Pope. This is propaganda of Catholics.

Tertullian, in The Demurrer Against the
Heretics (A.D. 200), noted of Rome, “How happy is
that church . . . where Peter endured a passion like
that of the Lord, where Paul was crowned in a
death like John’s [referring to John the Baptist,
both he and Paul being beheaded].” Fundamentalists admit Paul died in Rome, so the
implication from Tertullian is that Peter also must
have been there. It was commonly accepted, from
the very first, that both Peter and Paul were
martyred at Rome, probably in the Neronian
persecution in the 60s. In the same book, Tertullian wrote that “this is the
way in which the apostolic churches transmit their
lists: like the church of the Smyrnaeans, which
records that Polycarp was placed there by John;
like the church of the Romans, where Clement was
ordained by Peter.” This Clement, known as Clement of Rome, later would be the fourth pope.
Clement wrote his Letter to the Corinthians perhaps before the year 70, just a few
years after Peter and Paul were killed; in it he made
reference to Peter ending his life where Paul ended
his. In his Letter to the Romans (A.D. 110), Ignatius of
Antioch remarked that he could not command the
Roman Christians the way Peter and Paul once did,
such a comment making sense only if Peter had
been a leader, if not the leader, of the church in
Rome. Irenaeus, in Against Heresies (A.D. 190), said that
Matthew wrote his Gospel “while Peter and Paul
were evangelizing in Rome and laying the
foundation of the Church.” A few lines later he
notes that Linus was named as Peter’s successor,
that is, the second pope, and that next in line were Anacletus (also known as Cletus), and then
Clement of Rome. Clement of Alexandria wrote at the turn of the third
century. A fragment of his work Sketches is
preserved in Eusebius of Caesarea’s Ecclesiastical
History, the first history of the Church. Clement
wrote, “When Peter preached the word publicly at
Rome, and declared the gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had
been for a long time his follower and who
remembered his sayings, should write down what
had been proclaimed.” Lactantius, in a treatise called The Death of the
Persecutors, written around 318, noted that “When
Nero was already reigning (Nero reigned from 54–
68), Peter came to Rome, where, in virtue of the
performance of certain miracles which he worked
by that power of God which had been given to him, he converted many to righteousness and
established a firm and steadfast temple to God.” These citations could be multiplied. No ancient writer claimed Peter ended his life anywhere other than in
Rome. On the question of Peter’s whereabouts they
are in agreement, and their cumulative testimony
carries enormous weight.

solite3:
if you believe the bible you wouldn't be defending catholic lies!

hahaha, i believe in the bible that is how i know you are teaching heresy, nowhere does the bible say who ever doesnt hold sola fide will go to hell. That is your own false doctrine by your own false teachers, it is not found in scriptures.


Where does the bible say does who rejectt sola fide will go to hell?

sekundosekundo:
The Bible may not record the deaths of the apostles but as Christians we hv details of them. There's no detail of Peter bn a Pope. This is propaganda of Catholics.

the same early xtians also record that peter was tthe first bishop of rome i.e pope. The place from which we get the details of the apostles death also tell us where they work.

only when u are ignorantt will u deny thatt there are historic writings that show peter was the first bishop of rome, it is not propagada it is historic fact

solite3:
God's word is the supreme
Psalms 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name
Do you believe the bible? Be clear about it.

Stop diverting. i belive the bible, but nowhere does it say u much hold sola fide to be saved, that is rubish doctrine of men, to be saved d bible says repent, believe, confess and be baptised.

sekundosekundo:
My dear stop deceiving yourself, the history of all the apostles of Jesus Christ are there for you to see both their earthly ministry and their death all are recorded in the Bible. Popes don't marry but I believe apostle Peter was a married man.

The bible didnt record everything that the apostles did, their death weren't even recorded, do u see d work of adrew or bathlomew, can u show me frm d bible if paul died? but d early xtians put all dis down in writing. Some catholic priest do get married, unless u are ignorant of it. celibacy is a discipline many pries take on it is not a dogma.

Onegai:
Catholic and Anglican doctrine is almost 80% the same. The Anglican church broke away because of English Politics in the 15th/16th century. I have attended Anglican Mass and there was almost no difference. Even the Catholic church in Nigeria recognises Anglican baptism during Marriage classes. It is Pentecostal church that has different doctrines that the old-school churches don't accept.

OP, get your Reverend Father involved in this. It truly should not be an issue but in the East a lot of weird stuff happens (Fr. Mbaka is selling prayer scratch cards) and your Bishop seems to allow it. It is also Easterners that insist on asking the non-Catholic spouse to be signing undertaking (in Lagos the church is always upset to hear that kind of news).

an Undertaking is sign by d non catholic all over d world not just by easterners.

evekils:
When is a wedding said to be real catholic wedding

Usually when two practicing catholics take up the covenant of marriage before a catholic priest and witnesses.