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Barnabaseloka:
I do not doubt the truth that one has died and risen with Christ during baptism. But what saves one is the believing on the name Jesus.

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry brother, if you sincerely and genuinely do not understand what Peter was saying there

Let me ask you a question though, this question applies also to Syncan and possibly Ubenedictus too
Dont worry, its not a trick question, its just a question, answers are for my benefit, are for estimating or gauging sake.
Whose baptism, do you prefer? The baptism of John or the baptism of Jesus Christ?

Please carefully read and try to understand 1 Corinthians 10:1-2 before answering. No hasty reply.

1 Corinthians 10:1-2
¹For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters,
that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
²They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.

You definitely must have earlier read me, post that Jesus sure did instruct them albeit this instruction was before he died and resurrected, in other this was before Jesus was glorified

Barnabaseloka:
I don't know who Calvin was and I do not wish to know. Everyone with an open heart will easily understand what I have written concerning being 'born again'. All Christians believe that being born again preceeds water baptism, except you and few others who are yet to come to terms with this truth.

Water baptism does not save a sinner, but only the word of God and the Holy Spiriit. Water baptism is a 'physical' replica of what has 'spiritually' happened to anyone who is born again. It conotes how one has died with Christ (dipping in water) and the way one has risen with Christ (raised from the water) unto newness of life. Water baptism uses physical illustration to explain to one who is born again what really happened to such life spiritually. The 'spiritual' (being born again) MUST take palce before the 'physical' (water baptism).

Barnabaseloka:
Sorry, he did not put it or inferred it that in baptism anyone will receive salvation. Baptism is a 'symbol' of one dying and being raised with Christ. The actual event of salvation occurs spiritually before one is baptized physically. When one goes to the water to be baptized, he is not going there to be saved, but to demostrate symbolically or physically his fellowship in the death and raising of Christ.

Barnabaseloka:
Up till now, you are still hardened in your heart.
Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way and entered the house, and laying his hands on him said 'Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and, be FILLED with the Holy Spirit.
18. Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was BAPTIZED.

Ananias did not need preaching to Paul again about salvation b/c Jesus had already met him on his way to Damascus. In Vs. 11, Paul was already praying, which I believe was that of repentance and believing in Jesus. This was manifest when Ananias called him 'Brother Saul'. It clearly showed that Paul had repented and believed. The only work Ananias did there was to pray for Paul to see again and to baptize him. Note also that Paul received his sight, was first filled with the Holy Spirit before he became baptized (Vs.17).

In summary, Paul repented, believed in Jesus, was filled with the Holy Spirit and was baptized. Only those who have been saved will be filled with the Holy Spirit and be baptized with water or vice versa.

preetyb:
Faith comes first before baptism. Faith is believing. U cant be baptize if you dnt believe in baptism. Nevertheless we are saved by grace. Many may have faith but may not be save if the grace is not there for them to please God.

Barnabaseloka:
Rom.6:4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Paul showed the 'significance' of baptism here, which is 'walking in the newness of life'. As we are baptised, it shows that we have died with Christ. As we are raised from the water, it shows that we have risen with Christ unto 'living in newness of life'. Paul used this to demostrate what water baptism meant i.e its significance in our lives. It is not at the point of baptism that one is saved. One is saved before going for water baptism, which shows physically how one has died with Christ and risen with Him into living a new life.

Barnabaseloka:
1. Being BORN AGAIN and being BAPTISED with WATER are never the same thing. Being born again PRECEEDS (occurs first before) being baptised with water.

2. You mean that one has not been born again (saved) if as a sinner, hears the salvation message and accepts Christ into his life (believes in Jesus)? This your belief is erroneous.
Acts 16:30 ... Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31. So they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.

MuttleyLaff:
God works in process.

God bless you, for exonerating me with "you didn't use those words"
and thank you noticing italo making up words from my post and putting words into my mouth.

So? Obsolete is not a stigma or is it to you?

Try and be objective instead of doing this the subjective way
This in the full and complete context, is what Peter said in that 1 Peter 3:21 you out of context referred to:
1 Peter 3:21
And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body,
but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Am 100% certain, you are unable to quote verbatim anyone or me particularly, on this thread "teaching" or stopping anyone from using things obsolete or things gone past/beyond the "Best Before" date

Jesus DID NOT PERSONALLY water baptise anyone
Jesus DID NOT PERSONALLY water baptise anyone.
His disciples did the water baptism, not Jesus

johnw74:
Christians take their sins to God however rc take their sins to man

johnw74:
Christians don't take their sins to man for forgiveness
they take their sins to God whom they have sinned against
if you have sinned against man then go to him

Rich4god:
Just passing by... Looking for my zing....

Greetings to you all...

OLAADEGBU:
No man has the power to forgive anyone it is only Jesus who forgives and washes our sins away when we come to Him in faith.



"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9).

As you can see there is no confessional nor any provision for priests that we should go to when confessing your sins. Jesus has replaced the priests and is now our High Priests who forgives and cleanses us with His own blood. We receive forgiveness and remission of sins through the name of Jesus Christ alone and not through any priest.

OLAADEGBU:
Water baptism and the Eucharist only follows after true conversion. These are rituals believers partake of in obedience to Christ's command and does not make you a Christian.

What will happen to the person who gets converted but was not opportuned to get baptised in water, will he go to hell if he dies in this condition?

This is called restitution an act one carries out in obedience after conversion.

OLAADEGBU:
Are we saved by faith or water baptism? (Suggested answer):

unphilaz:
summary of frosbel

frosbel,

fundamentalist protestant Christian
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a simple protestant Christian
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a pseudo messianic Jew after you rejected the complete authentiicity of the new tesatament and
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humanism, secularism and modernism.
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I wish you well on you jorney.

Barnabaseloka:
Can you show me where it was stated that Abraham believed God ONCE and it was accounted unto him for righteousness or was it a mistake on your part?

Yes, there are WORKS (actions) that back up one's FAITH, which SPEAKING is one of them. Nevertheless, we are not talking about 'speaking' but WORKS (living a godly life that shows that we have believed in Christ). FAITH (believing in Jesus) without WORKS (actions) is DEAD. Works keep one's faith alive and growing. If there are no works to prove one's faith, then there is no faith. You can't tell me that you believe in Jesus (have FAITH in Jesus) without showing me WORKS (actions) that testify of your faith. How do I know that you have believed in Jesus?

Barnabaseloka:
2. John 3:5 talks about being BORN AGAIN and not about WATER BAPTISM as you might have thought.

3. If one repents of his sins on hearing God's word and believes in Jesus, is he born again?

4. It is not everywhere the word 'water' is mentioned in the bible that it signifies 'physical' water. It can also signify the 'Holy Spirit' as well as the 'word of God'.
This is what we have been trying to make clear here.

Barnabaseloka:
1. And what do you have to say as regards Rom.6?
2. John 3:5 talks about being BORN AGAIN and not about WATER BAPTISM as you might have thought.
3. If one repents of his sins on hearing God's word and believes in Jesus, is he born again?
4. It is not everywhere the word 'water' is mentioned in the bible that it signifies 'physical' water. It can also signify the 'Holy Spirit' as well as the 'word of God'.
This is what we have been trying to make clear here.

Syncan:
Are you serious at the bold? What kind of baptism were the followers of John complaining about here :

John 3:26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.

Members go to confession on a set day with a set priest once a week. They need constant forgiveness, even though their “sins” may not even require absolution. They confess their
defects because the aim in Opus Dei is perfection. Since no one is perfect, they always feel “sinful.” In The Way #780, the Founder says, “'Deo omnia Gloria” – “All Glory to God.” It is an emphatic confession of our nothingness. He, Jesus, is everything. We, without him are worth nothing: Nothing. Our vainglory would be just that: vain glory; it would be sacrilegious theft; the “I” should not appear anywhere.”

baralatie:
good question!
from where you are sitting,you already have answers to what you can do fix things and get things working.
be it in the case of
1.electricity
2.electoral reforms
3.fuel and subsidy crisis
the only issue I know might be a challenge is that of b.h

how much a Mr. President.

it is time to get to work and solving problems!

Barnabaseloka:
Bro. Did you read my post carefully? You might have read it in a haste to pick out errors just as you have done. No one has denied the fact that baptism after one has believed in Christ is done with physical water, or did you not read the beginning part of my write-up? If you continue like this you will only get a biased or contradictory knowledge of the scriptures.

I made you know that it was not anywhere you see the word 'water' in the Scripture that it meant 'physical' water as in the case of baptism. Water can also be used to symbolize the 'Holy Spirit' as in John 7:37-39 and the 'WORD of God' as in 1 Pet.1:23, which are the two 'instruments' or 'means' by which one is born again in John 3:5. I made you understand that Jesus did not talk of giving people 'physical' water to drink but 'spiritual' water in John 4:13-14. What you succeeded in doing was not to understand what I have written but to talk pointless. It takes one to do a background study of some passages of the Scripture, under the power of the Holy Spirit to understand them.

MuttleyLaff:
Syncan steady on!
What have I to gain with lying, be insincere or dishonest?

Let's do this the bite-size way
What is another word for baptise and baptism?
Are baptise and baptism exclusively used in relation to water and for water only?
Can one be baptised with anything else than water?
Can one have a baptism of anything else than water?
What kind of water is Jesus referring to in John 7:38?
Syncan are you familiar with John 7:37-39 (i.e. particularly the instructive and revealing bit in verse 39)

I have reproduced two translations below of John 7:37-39, for you

Jesus Promises Living Water
³⁷On the last day, the climax of the festival, Jesus stood and shouted to the crowds, “Anyone who is thirsty may come to me!
³⁸Anyone who believes in me may come and drink! For the Scriptures declare, ‘Rivers of living water will flow from his heart.’”
³⁹(When he said “living water,” he was speaking of the Spirit, who would be given to everyone believing in him. But the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus had not yet entered into his glory.)

Living Water
³⁷Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
³⁸"He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'"
³⁹But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

MuttleyLaff:
If you are able to show and reproduce verbatim, where anyone or I, on this thread posted anything in the line of "Jesus and his apostles taught and practiced the wrong things" I will give you a truckload of kolanuts,
if you're unable to, then please admit you're grasping straws and agree you telling porkies with these cooked up and unfounded allegations

MuttleyLaff:
Christians need to spiritualise because man is a spirit being
that is the destination we are heading to and end up at.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

kotv:
I read somewhere that GEJ left 1 trillion in the treasury, now Bihari is saying otherwise. So much for his noncorruption image

Babaonechance

baralatie:
you don't move or achieve goals on the platform of complaints!
If that was the lifestyle only God knows where we would be!
PMB!now is not the time to begin to complain.
Now is action!

Orunto:
Mary was a special Daughter of God, through whom God became man. God prepared Mary to rectify the short comings of Eve. Eve brought forth evil and good, Caine and Abel. Rather than waste time to queue us behind either Caine or Abel in Judgement, God gave us Mary as the Mother of all Righteousness. That the son of man that came through her is infact the Son of Righteousness of God, the Lord of Lords, The Holy Spirit and God Almighty.. So,my friend, Mary was neither a wife nor a concubine of God for God who made your great grand fathers from dust and you by His Spirit, is a God of Miracles and wonders who made the first beautiful Queen Eve with boobs and "bi-ekebes" from the rib of Adam(not Oshiomole)..

truthislight:
Why are you complicating things for yourself ?

read what you wrote above, you wrote that the church published what the apostles of christ wrote as the Bible. fine!

So, what the apostles of christ wrote that was published and the SEATING OF NICEA and onward. which should set the TRUE standard for life for us to follow ?

Do you think it should be later tradition imposed by men ?

Note: the apostles of christ wrote what was published as the Bible.