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cyrexx: From a totally different perspective,let's look at the choices God made with his free will.


He chose with his free will to create angels he knew would rebel and become satan and his demons, knowing ahead of time they would do that.


He chose to create a tree that he didn't want people to eat from all the while knowing they would.


He chose to punish people with sin and death for eating from a tree he chose to make all the while knowing they would.


He chose to create a talking serpent and to let it tempt Adam and Eve knowing that they would fail the test.


He chose to favor Abel's sacrifice over Cain's knowing this would result in Cain killing Abel.

Being omniscient he knew all these thing's would happen before he did any of them. And he knew they would lead to PAIN, SIN,SUFFERING AND DEATH. All this as a result of him exercising his free will. So why does he think free will is a good thing that all people and angels should have?

Logicboy03: I am starting to believe in the holy spirit after watching you guyz


but this holy spirit is the spirit of delusion. How can you guyz type nonsense after nonsense (nonsense because your fellow christian sister sees the faulty logic in your posts to her and you cant convince her)but still claim that your posts "hit home"



omniscience and freewill can not exist together. End of story.

obadiah777: JUST CUZ HE KNOWS ALL THINGS DOES NOT MEAN HE SHOULD RESTRICT YOUR CHOICES. HE KNOWS THE CHOICES YOU WOULD MAKE. SO FREEWILL WALKS HAND IN HAND WITH HIM KNOWING ALL THINGS. THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION HERE. I DONT SEE ANY CONTRADICTIONS.

Ihedinobi: Hi Bella3

Um, quite a question you have there. I hope the "skepticism" of the unbelievers is not getting to you. Even if it is, the Lord is more than able to keep them that have trusted in Him.

This question of omniscience versus free will is a funny kind. It sounds legitimate and real but nobody has proven it to be an honest question, at least, not on this forum.

So I'll say first of all that even if God made His Creation deterministic by nature or semi-deterministic, He's got every right in the book to do so. After all, it's His Creation.

Second, the answer to your question, dear sis, is that God is not at all subject to time. In His reality, He does not have to look forward to a future or backward to a past. He commands time. Thus, He sees everything happening at all times as though it were all happening at once. He knows what decisions you will make in your future because He is watching you make them in the future at the very same time that you make them. So He does not "predict" the future as we would, rather, He witnesses it.

peteregwu: SO, PLS I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM IF THE NEW POPE IS A JESUIT?

HumbledbYGrace: lol....we don't have strong stuff here

Ubenedictus: yeah, there are jesuits in the catholic church, the jesuits are a congregation of priest dedicated to preaching, education, study and whatever work they are assigned to by the pope. Wikipedia has an article on them.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus if you are looking for a mission statement the you'll find the quote that starts with "whosoever desires to serve..."
i think this is their U.S website. www.jesuit.org
their official website is
www.sjweb.info

peteregwu: PLS IS THEIR ANYTHING LIKE JESUIT IN THE CATHOLIC...AND WU ARE THEY AND THEIR DUTY?

Ubenedictus: i think i've seen an anglican bishop explain the above, i'll check and post the link.

Boomark: In serving God, you don't use symbols out of your own volition. Allow God to lead.

Goshen360: No sir, sin is not only transgression of the law. Every unrighteousness is a sin 1 John 5:17. He that knows what to do and does not do it....perhaps good things; it is to such a sin. James 4:17. Whatsoever is not of faith is sin, Romans 14:23.

Oya, grab your copy now!

Syncan: Seriously, It left mother Theresa of Calcutta in confusion? It left Pope John Paul 11 in confusion? It left St. Patrick of Ireland in confusion, It left St. Maria gorreti in confusion? Do google these names and see what light is. Oh what a holy confusion these ones must have been in, may it be my portion than the conviction you propose.

more are coming out you say? may I remind you that Islam is the fastest growing religion, but does it make it the way? Rather the word of Jesus himself should be of grave concern to you " ...when I come, shall I see a single faith?" So rejoicing that you are following the bandwagon may not be what you should be doing now.

Hail mary, full of grace.

Boomark: Continue yawning while you all are on the run. Missionas said something that made that made me blew off her candle light. Just to show her that the light of God's children cannot be lit with matches.
Tell her am missing her when you see her during missa(mass).

Not only that, majority if not all Catholic have an alter in their home with the image of mary and candle.

Pls can some one clearify me why is it so with a biblical back up!

Rich4god: Just like that... You want to buy wafer.

loveroftruth: so you dont know?
Go back and read your bible again, this time slowly my friend.

Boomark: This space would have been used to tell us the "significance of candles used by catholics.

We already know you want to use your quote as distraction. Italo has been doing that for a long time now.

howlongthislife: can it mean that "catholic church"(RCC) is the mother of the harlot?

Just asking.

Na question i dey ask o!
*leaves thread and walks away*

mumumugu: they are runaway children who picked some of the mother inheritance and ran to squander.we hope they come back home like the prodigal son

Enigma: Oh, and when the Roman Catholic Church says the above it is not to be believed as the statement is no more than lip service. Otherwise (a) if the Roman Catholic Church itself is Christian, and (b) if the Roman Catholic Church truly considers those others also to be Christian ---- then the Roman Catholic Church will not prevent those other supposed fellow Christians from receiving "holy communion" in its "churches".

By the way, are Anglican reverends and bishops validly ordained or are those ones defending deceiving themselves? I am sure you are aware of Roman Catholic doctrine that Anglican orders are "absolutely null and utterly void",

Enigma: And the red bolded is why some people regard the Roman Catholic Church, and its "popes" who came up with that diabolical idea so as to claim "authority", as anti-Christ.
I'm sure you could have anticipated my own response on that.

Reyginus: Ubenedictus, I tried sending you a pm but the system was faulty. But since it is not more of a personal thing, permit me to put it here.
An Invitation To Religion Section Tea Party.
With regards to the religion section tea party to be held on 4th of May, we need your presence and participation. The link is
https://www.nairaland.com/1276139/christians-chatbox-game-party-night

Goshen360: This man, where you go run enter since all these day? I don miss you like body dey miss water. Okay, that mother church heh, it means, I open a church meanwhile, the bible calls me myself the church. But I open a church and sit at the headquarters and open many branches and tell all the branches to remit all tithes and seed offerings to the mother church, the headquarters that gave birth to all the branches. Can you see how the church is messed up?

Enigma: ^^^ There are more interesting questions.
1. What is "the Church"?
2. Is the Methodist Church a "Church" and/or is it part of "the Church"?
3. Is the Baptist Church a "Church" and/or is it part of "the Church"?
4. Is the Anglican Church a "Church" and/or is it part of "the Church"?

Goshen360: This man, where you go run enter since all these day? I don miss you like body dey miss water. Okay, that mother church heh, it means, I open a church meanwhile, the bible calls me myself the church. But I open a church and sit at the headquarters and open many branches and tell all the branches to remit all tithes and seed offerings to the mother church, the headquarters that gave birth to all the branches. Can you see how the church is messed up?

Pastor AIO: See what I"ve been missing. I wasn't aware that there were interesting new characters like stryklymi on NL. I have to go and now read up some of his posts, I'm sure I'll be entertained.

@Ube, god willing, when I find more time we'll have a good chat about Ifa. It's been a while since I read up any more about it or even discussed it with anyone.

Syncan: I agree with those who called it a joke, only because they linked it to the catholic church. Else it would have been no different from the female ministers in various non catholic groups. Ordained in a protestant church by God knows who, yet claims catholicism...that's where it becomes a joke.