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ajufinz: Your line of argument shows that you may never agree with my reasoning becuz to you, I lack understanding, wisdom and logic.

Your reply on this is more or less a hate- talk, and I know my crime. I have disrespected to Holy1, the Mother of our Lord and by implicaton the Roman catholic Church.

However, you would be doing me and other non-Rcatholics gr8 help by convincing us using the bible to establish the place of Mary on earth as regards the Christian or Catholic faith.

If you do this, I'll be blessed, cuz my stand abf Mary as regards praying for 'us sinners' may be wrong, which may have eternal consequencies.
Help me see the light if U care.

this points may become apparent if you wish to continue the discussion.
The first point about mary is that she is the biological mother of Jesus and to put it in the word of an early christian "Emmanuel (christ) is in truth God and on this account the holy virgin is the mother of God- since according to the flesh she brought forth the Word of God made flesh".
This may be implied from from passage attesting to the divinity of Christ and passages attesting to Mary's true motherhood.
Passages attesting to the divinity of christ include is 7:14, 8:8, jn1:1, passages attesting to the motherhood of mary include, jn2:1 "mother of Jesus", mt1:18,2:11,13,20, 12:46, 13:55 "His mother" luk1:43 "mother of the lord", is7:14, lk1:31, 1:35, gal4:4.
This may form the bed of my discussion on this topic.

ajufinz: I'm a Catholic becuz I belong to the body of Christ- the Univeral Church, all those who are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus.

I stopped being A Roman Catholic...
It's a demonination. Let me save U the details, amazE persoN

please correct yourself, all who through baptism are saved by grace thru faith in Christ Jesus are called Christian.
All who have accepted completely all the teaching of Christ given thru the apostle as preserved by the historic catholic church are called Catholics since antiquity.
Thanks

ajufinz: Please, is that scripture talking abf the saint on earth or those in heaven?

i asked you a question, it would be polite to answer instead of asking me another question.
Please give me the passage that said the bolded and i'll be more than happy to answer you question.
Thanks.

E b like say this thread don die natural death.
*Yawn*

Ijedimma: I think Ahiara catholic priests are disgracing the church. When did catholic dioceses become political parties? They said Cardical Arinze singly handendly selected the newly elected Bishop Okpaleke because, he is from his place. If that is true, whose fault then? Why did it take them up to 2years to select a bishop? Perhaps while they were busy playing their church politics, the cardinal was busy thinking and calculating. Now tell me, what will these priests preach to the laity? Will they preach love, when they do not show love? Will they preach peace when they are exibiting readinesss for violence? Will they preach patience when they can't wait for God to act? Will they preach forgiveness when they sound so unforgiving? A bishop of a diocese must not be an indegene. So Ahiara priests, for the sake of Christ you celebrate in the Eucharist, please welcome our new bishop. I bet you, you will find him interesting. Perhaps you are busy writing or planning a petition against bishop Okpaleke and rapture takes place, what will be your fate? Your responce will tell you if your actions please or displease God. To all - please continue praying for Ahiara people!

the interesting thing in the case is that card. Arinze isn't even in a position to influence the pope's choice on who will be or won't be bishop.
I don't understand why Arinze is been crucified for an issue he know nothing about.

Kay 17: Why would you say that? Especially when you believe the foetus has a right to life?

the foetus has a right to life so does the mother, if the unborn child physically and seriously puts the life of the mother at risk then he/she may be born prematurely even though that may put the life of the baby in danger.

okeyxyz: was trolling..

no probs, Next timd just read

Paschal007: In a situation where the baby has to be aborted to save the mother's life due to one complication or the other, is it right? Is it still murder?

i'll say NOO

Yvete: Just curious to know if anyone has done this.

The idea is, just as you offer your first fruit of labor to God, likewise it is encouraged, not mandatory to offer your wedding night as a first fruit of marriage. Basically, a newly wedded couple should abstain from intimacy on their wedding night and instead spend the night singing praises, and giving thanks in prayer.

My pastors wife encouraged this "oath" or "offering" at pre-marital class. Although, some guys were straight up honest, " NO!". They weren't smiling. I think its a good way to start off married life (to pray against mis-fortunes, to pray for unborn children, ...etc). "Bring the best of the first fruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God" (Ex. 23:19). Has anyone ever pledged to do this?

it sounds like a joke to me

ijawkid: The JW also use Yahweh.....

I mean what's all the fuss....how many of you the OP and itsfact call Jesus as YEshua??......

trying to drag the JW's into this holds no water.........


The most important thing is identifying the tetragrammatton and knowing that the almighty has a personal name which seperates him from all other gods.......

Its not only the JW's who use Jehovah...surprisingly the JW's also make use of Yahweh.....so I see no reason for fronting the JW's on this issue.....

Many persons should even be thankful to the JW's for coming right at there doors to tell them that God has a personal name and that he is not some god that bears anonymous titles all to hide behind the spurious trinity faceless dogmata......

it is quite interesting that the jw are using jehovah as d name of God, that name arose from a mistake of a catholic translator who put the vowel of adonai into the tetragram, that mistake has long been corrected yet u guy still hold that God's name is jehova. u are calling God a name he does not bear.

ajufinz: Wao! all that for me?
You'll make a good apologist for the gospel when you give Jesus and His word the rightful place in your life.
'Not the Roman Catholic fate or any denomination'

The bible encourages us to prayer for and with one and other as believers on earth... Matt. 18:18-19. for Mary the bible does not give her that grace.(I've not seen) She and all the saints have no authority on earth, that belongs to the living (occupations of earth). Mary belongs with another world now. There Jesus is her King not son...

I wish you can use the bible to establish what the place of Mary is on earth to: sinners & saints. Instead of making me fill you disguard the bible.

If you love Jesus you'll want everyone you meet to see that and do same.

what passage of the bible says the bolded because my bible shows the saints praying

DrummaBoy: I am particularly irked by the likes of alwaystrue who recognizes justification by faith but says we must then continue to keep the law to remain in God's good books: ie, led by the Spirit.

They cannot understand an imputed righteousness; a done work @ the cross; Christ fulfilling the law; etc.

Proof that they are in bondage to their works and are seeking others to also be in bondage, is the fact that they cannot let others be themselves and serve God the way they understand him.

I came to the realization of the need not to tithe 3 months ago and I stopped. My wife does not understand it yet, so I cash her tithe for her from the ATM and encourage her to pay it: FREEDOM.

No one is God's police. You that think someone is breaking Moses laws, are you keeping it (in full) yourself?

I do not expect the dispute with pro-law folks to end in this life; it didn't end in Paul's time either.

*sits back and enjoys thread roll*

righteousness can't be imputed without been infused that is what Calvin didn't understand. God doesn't just declare a sinner righteous, HE makes the sinner righteous

truthislight: How can they want to go and see the one they have use their short life to curse for?

No mind the so call pope that dont even understand what God desires are.

He only wants them to remain in this their present condition.

the popes address is online i advise you to write to him and educate him on the desires of GOD

ijawkid: The truth is atheist don't even want to go to heaven.........the best thing is to leave them alone.........

nobody hold them alone before, whether atheist want to go to heaven or not doesnt stop the pope from preaching that goodness is common to creation and that atheist can practice goodness nor does it stop the pope from preaching that the atonement of Christ is universal.

ooman: I'd rather go to hell.

nobody promised you heaven in the first place

okeyxyz: Pope don drink shekpe finish, Now he dey vibrate

did you take time to read his ''vibration''.

truthislight: Why will he not say so?(that atheist will go to heaven)

is it not his RCC that is making the majority of atheist we know?(like in this forum).

He is sending out a hand of condolence to pacify them.

Smh

clap for yourself

Pygru: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/23/heaven-for-atheists-pope-sparks-debate/?sr=fb052413popeatheist330p

this site had a balanced approach to what the pope said, he said the death of Christ redeems everyone, that is the doctrine of universal atonement. but he never said everyone is goes to heaven. The death of Christ has objectively redeemed everyone in theological terms, what remains is subjective redemption that is accepting Christ's death on the cross through faith. that is theology that is why i said earlier that the audience he is speaking to must be considered

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Hebrews 1
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

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Befor he became "much better" than the angels, what was he?

Start from the beginning of the thread.
And remember to give answers to the rest of the post on this thread dude.

he is under no obligation to answer a single past question. he is new doesn't stop him from comment, don't be a bully'
besides welcome @sonlightmind

shymexx: I like Pagan - but he's absolutely clueless on this subject matter.

Till any Nigerian tribe can prove to me that their ancestors were created in Nigeria, and they didn't migrate from the North East, or East - then his argument is just utter nonsense!

this is an interesting point, it seems the oldest or most ancient civilization in the place presently called Nigeria is the Nok civilization, this simply raises more question, where did the Nok guys come from

anonimi: Is it not VERY TELLING that despite the reputation the Binis have about juju and plenty jazz and sacrifices the white colonial masters could have ordinary African police men arrest him.

Says a lot about belief in juju specifically but also about religions and SPIRITUAL things generally.

Time for Africans to focus on knowledge, analysis and science for growth without neglecting the HERITAGE/HISTORY/LEGACY aspects of our religions

i doubt those who are learned in the distinct and traditional acts of the royal family especially that of the ascension of the throne will agree will the above. those i know will argue that the oba would never have been a prisoner if he didn't surrender.

blocker: Nellaluv The Oba was not arrested and exiled in the 19th century but 20th century (1914). But ur post good no mind me.

the oba died in 1914 he wasn't arrested in 1914

[quote author=isale_gan2]I respect Rossike for being a patriotic Nigerian and a Pan-Africanist, but in this debate, Pagan makes more sense. I know many who hold this Egyptian/Black view, but I am not convinced - no offense.
BTW, is Rossike's stance similar to Morpheus' view? Or do Morpheus' posts usually deal with racial classifications without any commentary about sub-Saharan peoples' transplant from North Africa?



Very sick and disgusting comment. If you're African at all, go and say the bolded to anyone in your family, if you dare.

For your own peace of mind, please do not have Black or half-Black children. Do like Michael Jackson and get white sperm and egg together or simply adopt any other race of children but Black.[/quote]i beg to differ, Rossike has presented his points well. how come the Greeks attest to the color of the Egyptian skin @pagan no offense but i think it is a imaginary argument to claim that historian can't be eye witness, when i read that i could only think of one phrase ''what tha f.uck''??

Mr anony: is eternal life based on good works or salvation through Christ?

ofcourse, the later, salvation through the death of christ. It is interesting to note that pope francis never said atheist who do good will make heaven,

Catholics believe in universal atonement/redemption but not universal salvation, that Jesus died for everyone doesn't mean everyone is saved

Uyi Iredia: Using OT laws as a scriptural basis for doctrines fails for 2 reasons:

• They were made in a different dispensation. In an era where factors now present weren't existing e.g animal sacrifices before Jesus
• It is common to ignore most part of the OT laws e.g eating of certain foods is often overlooked

In light of this using a certain OT scripture to justify banning woken from wearing certain clothes is unwarranted. In this case pants (e.g jeans pants) are unisex wears and banning them reveals a prejudice not scriptural obedience.

to put it correctly ''jean were recently considered by many to be unisex wears''

tobechi74: Catholics Want To ‘Talk’ With Atheists

A few years ago, the now Pope emeritus wanted to create a “dialog” with atheists… who aren’t strident in their lack of belief. Only, “noble atheists” were invited and to the Pope, that means that no atheists who are actually critical of the Catholic Church were welcome. Now Catholic bloggers have taken up a similar call for a “dialog.”

I put “dialog” in quotes because I am skeptical that is what they really want. It seems like they just want to gather atheists together and preach . We call that a “monolog” not a dialog.



the new site is “www.StrangeNotions.com.”

where did you get the bolded from? it seems you actively spined the story. i like the site though

dialog is two people sharing ideas in a calm atmosphere, there have been such with atheist and agnostics for a sometime, the calls made to Muslims, atheist and agnostics is actually for a renewal of that dialog.

Tpfkakambo: Your right its a catholic heaven.
Dyu know that when the catholic church ran out of money once they sold bans (certificates) granting the holder
access to heaven?
This is the junk u get wen an apostacy is believed...

no be only atheists in heaven.
Son prostitutes and politicians who've looted the treasury will begin buyg plots in glory land!!

i hope you know the bolded is a distortion of facts

hey careful here those francis is speaking in a private mass to a particular set of people, those comment are not meant to challenge salvation by grace but to highlight that goodness is part of humanity

Dear brothers and sisters,

Good morning! Today I would like to dwell on the action that the Holy Spirit performs in guiding the Church and each of us to the Truth. Jesus himself says to his disciples: the Holy Spirit "will guide you into all the truth" (Jn 16:13), being He himself "the Spirit of Truth (cf. Jn 14:17; 15:26; 16:13).
We live in an age in which people are rather sceptical towards the truth. Benedict XVI has spoken many times of relativism, of the tendency, that is, to believe that there is nothing definitive and to think that the truth comes from consent or from what we want. The question arises: does "the" truth really exist? What is "the" truth? Can we know it? Can we find it? Here I am reminded of the question of the Roman Procurator Pontius Pilate when Jesus reveals to him the profound meaning of his mission: "What is truth?" (Jn 18:37.38). Pilate fails to understand that "the" Truth is in front of him, he fails to see in Jesus the face of truth, which is the face of God. Yet, Jesus is just that: the Truth that, in the fullness of time, "became flesh" (Jn 1:1.14), that came among us so that we might we know it. The truth cannot be grasped like an object, the truth has to be encountered. It is not a possession; it is an encounter with a Person.

But who will allow us to recognize that Jesus is "the" Word of truth, the only begotten Son of God the Father? St. Paul teaches that "no one can say: 'Jesus is Lord!' except by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:3). It is the Holy Spirit, the gift of the risen Christ, who makes us recognize the Truth. Jesus calls him the "Paraclete", i.e., "he who comes to help," who is on our side to support us on this journey of knowledge; and, during the Last Supper, Jesus assures his disciples that the Holy Spirit will teach them all things, reminding them of his words (cf. Jn 14:26).

What is then the action of the Holy Spirit in our lives and in the life of the Church to lead us to the truth? First of all, he reminds believers and imprints in their hearts the words that Jesus said, and, precisely through these words, God's law – as the prophets of the Old Testament had announced – is inscribed in our hearts and becomes in us a principle for evaluating our choices and a guide in daily actions, it becomes the principle of life. The great prophecy of Ezekiel is fulfilled: "I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols, I will give you a new heart, I will put within you a new spirit ... I will put my spirit within you and I will make you follow my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances"(36:25-27). In fact, it is from the depths of ourselves that our actions are born: it is the heart that must convert to God, and the Holy Spirit transforms it if we open ourselves to Him.

The Holy Spirit, then, as Jesus promised, guides us "into all the truth" (Jn 16:13); he helps us not only to encounter Jesus, the fullness of Truth, but also guides us "into" the Truth, makes us enter into an ever more profound communion with Jesus himself, giving us understanding of the things of God. And we cannot achieve this by our own strength. If God does not enlighten us inwardly, our being Christians will be superficial. The Tradition of the Church states that the Spirit of truth acts in our hearts by arousing that "sense of the faith (sensus fidei) through which, as the Second Vatican Council affirms, the People of God, under the guidance of the Magisterium, adheres indefectibly to the faith transmitted, deepens it with right judgment and applies it more fully in life (cf. Const. Dogm. Lumen Gentium, 12). Let us ask ourselves: am I open to the action of the Holy Spirit, do I pray for it to give me light, to make me more sensitive to the things of God? This is a prayer we must make every day: “Holy Spirit, make my heart be open to the Word of God, that my heart be open to good, that my heart be open to the beauty of God everyday”. I would like to ask you a question: how many of you pray to the Holy Spirit every day? Probably few, but we must satisfy this desire of Jesus and pray every day to the Holy Spirit, so that he opens our heart towards Jesus.

Let us think of Mary, who "kept all these things and pondered them in her heart "(Lk 2:19.51). The welcoming of the words and truths of faith in order that they may become life, happens and grows under the action of the Holy Spirit. In this sense we must learn from Mary, reliving her "Yes," her total willingness to receive the Son of God in her life, which from that moment onwards is transformed. Through the Holy Spirit, the Father and the Son come to dwell in us: we live in God and of God. But is our life truly inspired by God? How many things do I put before God?
peace

Alwaystrue: We have discussed about law and grace before now have we not? However you will do the study yourself, read in context especally from Galatians 2:11-15 and understand:


Galatians 2:18-19
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

As I advised read the context and see that Paul was talking about Peter's hyprocrisy regarding his dealings with gentiles.

It is the Holy Spirit that will further explain to you (as a person who prides himself to be a bibe teacher) how someone THROUGH the LAW is DEAD to THE Law so one can live for God.
Thanks.






Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Look very well at both scriptures, Jesus said, he did not come to DESTROY the law and the prophets but to fulfill it for not one jot will pass from the law till heaven and earth pass away (NOT TILL HE DIES AND RISES UP).
Meaning while He lived on earth, Jesus fulfilled the law as it should and taught others the true meaning (expression and performance) of the law. He was the first person to fulfill it in its entirety and died taking away the curse, penalty and transgression of the law. ANd now everyone who believes in Him and receives the promise of the Holy Spirit MIGHT have the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law fulfilled in them as well AS LONG AS THEY WALK IN THE SPIRIT (evidenced by the fruits).

Now the clincher below settles it all:


Romans 3:30-31
30 There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. 31 Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

I will let the Holy Spirit take up the rest in the readers.

i thought this ended it