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Sal C: An open minded study of the sacred scripture is very likely to make you Catholic. Thank God for his conversion. I think a similar thing happened to Paul Whitcomb the author of confessions of a Roman Catholic.

obadiah777: like i always tell people, the new testament is a book for the elect. its about how the elect unified the world both jew and gentile back to christ and these are whom christ died for so as to be able to accomplish this feat. and the rest of the new testament is letters back and for th between the elect. with that backdrop of that verse being established lets get to the verse itself
christ pardoned the sins of the elect ( grace ) and then sealed them ( put them above all laws ). they are no longer terrestrial bodies. they are now celestial bodies even though they dwell in the flesh. they will be spiritually alive now till the end of times. they will never die ( shut down ) spiritually anymore. so this is another verse that proves that the spirit of man abides forever while we shed our body in physical death roughly every 80 - 120 years ( genesis 6 vs 3 ) but the spirit abides forever. the spirit can be shut down in sin or it can be alive if you dwell in the word. this is the event describing the awaking of their spirit

matthew 27 vs 51- And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

SO IN SUMMARY- THAT VERSE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL DEATH BUT SPIRITUAL DEATH AND THAT VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT THE YET TO BE SEALED ELECT WHO WERE WITH CHRIST AT THAT POINT IN TIME ( THE DISCIPLES ) WHO WOULD BE SEALED AND SPIRITUALLY RESSURECTED AFTER CHRIST DEATH

Enigma: Who was the word directed to and what did he do or say?



And your inability to perform the tasks is what I call fear and/or duplicity; because performance of the tasks will expose the falsehood of the position of the Roman Catholic aologists --- without me even having to bother to say much more than I've done already.

Enigma: Who was the word directed to and what did he do or say?
And your inability to perform the tasks is what I call fear and/or duplicity; because performance of the tasks will expose the falsehood of the position of the Roman Catholic aologists --- without me even having to bother to say much more than I've done already.

Reyginus: This one really bothers me. Can the pope be infallible?

Ihedinobi: @ubenedictus
'Crybaby' is an insult? Or the part about lying etc?
And what about the fear?

Lenny5000: The Bible is the word of GOD so if God is not the sole authority for Christians, who is ? The Pope? Priest? Bishop? Some of the questions people ask just for argument sake! I dont argue with people cos I believe it is childish and unproductive. I only discuss and debate with matured folks reason I dont post often here.. I am not here to bash Catholicism cos I am very very close to Catholics.. Also many Catholics attend the Church because they cant see themselves attending Pentecostal because of the Huge monetary Greed going on there, but these people have dropped many of the Catholic beliefs like Praying to Mary, Rosary, Bowing to Statues of Saints in the Church! Well at the end we are all free to make our own Choices.. I take God's word (Bible) as the Sole authority and not the Laws or words of men, cos these men are not even qualified in the first place.. God says "You should not make Statues that resembles anything in Heaven, Earth or beneath the earth and bow or worship it" And Catholics makes Statues of Jesus, Mary, Joseph...etc and Bow to them. Why on earth would I wanna accept anyone that Challenges God? And for what? Go to Italy and see, some of the people who make these Statues and Paintings dont even believe in GOD and I am supposed to bow to these stones?

Lenny5000: The Bible is the word of GOD so if God is not the sole authority for Christians, who is ? The Pope? Priest? Bishop? Some of the questions people ask just for argument sake! I dont argue with people cos I believe it is childish and unproductive. I only discuss and debate with matured folks reason I dont post often here.. I am not here to bash Catholicism cos I am very very close to Catholics.. Also many Catholics attend the Church because they cant see themselves attending Pentecostal because of the Huge monetary Greed going on there, but these people have dropped many of the Catholic beliefs like Praying to Mary, Rosary, Bowing to Statues of Saints in the Church! Well at the end we are all free to make our own Choices.. I take God's word (Bible) as the Sole authority and not the Laws or words of men, cos these men are not even qualified in the first place.. God says "You should not make Statues that resembles anything in Heaven, Earth or beneath the earth and bow or worship it" And Catholics makes Statues of Jesus, Mary, Joseph...etc and Bow to them. Why on earth would I wanna accept anyone that Challenges God? And for what? Go to Italy and see, some of the people who make these Statues and Paintings dont even believe in GOD and I am supposed to bow to these stones?

ijawkid: stand which test of time?....

ask strikt if it would...... .....

ijawkid: no one is arguing here that our being sons of God is on the same level with that of Jesus....

the bane Here is that the same Father of Jesus is our Father and that Jesus is not that Father...i dont see how all your explanation wants to avoid that truth...

we(Jesus and all of us) all have one thing in common.....we all came from the Father...

ube do you agree or not?...

read Hebrews 2:11

New Living Translation (©2007)
So now Jesus and the ones he makes holy have the same Father. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them his brothers and sisters.

English Standard Version (©2001)
For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,

the bolded solves all the wahala....

Jesus being the only begotten son of God and the firstborn of all creation does not change the fact that we and Jesus all share and have the same Father and that Jesus is not that Father....

Enigma: And I ask again, are you afraid to perform the tasks I set him?

Perform the tasks, I answer the question. That's deal. Otherwise, you can keep asking till kingdom come.

Kay 17: Ok, I will concede to your definition and leave that issue for another time.

Given your definition, can you point out any used by the Christians before the 4th century. Note that a individual texts themselves don't count as a collection, rather a number of individual texts adopted together

I wouldn't mind historical references too.

Enigma: I wonder oh, bros, I wonderment!

Meanwhile the concerned fellow don mellow small after reading the thread on the Orthodox Catholic Church (aka Eastern Orthodox Church).

Enigma: Now, I've been accused on this thread and a number of others of only quoting part of Ignatius' statement on "catholic Church"; I was even called a "fraud" for it.

Now look who has done exactly the same thing? It is only the Roman Catholic Church"! Oh, and it only did it in its Catechism!



So who is the fraud now?

And, truly, there is indeed an element of fraud in the use of Ignatius' statement in this quote above.

Enigma: Now, I've been accused on this thread and a number of others of only quoting part of Ignatius' statement on "catholic Church"; I was even called a "fraud" for it.

Now look who has done exactly the same thing? It is only the Roman Catholic Church"! Oh, and it only did it in its Catechism!



So who is the fraud now?

And, truly, there is indeed an element of fraud in the use of Ignatius' statement in this quote above.

Enigma: And here the Roman Catholic Church implicitly notes the oxymoronic effect of calling itself "Catholic".

Para 4 of http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html



Just a round about way of saying that the Roman Catholic Church is not truly catholic.

Enigma: ^^^ Crybaby.

Keep up the lying and slandering. It's all cool.

Reyginus: This one really bothers me. Can the pope be infallible?

Enigma: ^^^ You want to perform the tasks I set him? Or you too are not brave enough?

Boomark: Birthday candles have their significance.

Occultic candles have their significance.

What is the significance of the candles used by catholics even in a church with overflooded light?

Anyigala: He has been a blessing to the Church. I read "The Lamb Supper" which he also wrote and it changed and ever since, Sunday mass is no longer enough for me.

ijawkid: so that means iI should start calling you with title HOLY?
HOLY ubenedictus...lol...
its like saying that because the scriptures says ye are gods,i should then start calling u god ubenedictus....
besides why should the pope be called your Father?..did he in anyway sire you?....

chukwudi44: I am not the one making the allegations. I am only like a journalist reporting their atrocities.

I think your advice should be directed to peter ugwu

Segeggs: yes, the sins of the catholic church.

ijawkid: My guy where you go na ??you go settle bokoharam and FG there fight??.......
That strikt comment wey you dey endorse dey under serious scrutiny o.......ask strikt....

Boomark: Bro am not the one that said what was written in john.
He said his Father is our Father, his God is our God. I don't know how else you want to put it so that that person he called his Father will no longer be our Father.

Where do you want to get our own Father from if it is not the same Father? How do you want to split that same person into two Fathers? Please tell us.

truthislight: "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).

truthislight: There is an institution that is very powerful and does infiltrate and owns institution and affects definitions and worldly knowledge even the bible.

Did she not removed God's personal name from the bible?

striktlymi: Good morning Ij,

You really do need to understand Sacred scriptures. Christ taught us two lessons from that passage of Sacred scriptures. His perfect unity with the Father which is borne via his divine nature and our share in that union which he won for us via the cross.

This is the same confusion that comes when you and Boomark seem to suggest that we are Sons of God just like Christ is a Son of God. Bro Ij, this is erroneous! Christ's 'Sonship' was not won through the cross but was borne out of this Eternal union he has with the Father whereas ours is borne via the 'price' paid on the cross.

God has no equal cause there is only one God; not two or three or many Gods as you guys keep suggesting when you say that Christ is a Mighty God while the Father is the Almighty God. Frosbel 'unwittingly' brought out this passage:


Isaiah 40:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.

which explains perfectly that when Isaiah gave this prophecy:

Isaiah 9:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

he was referring to the one true God who does not entertain any comparison with anyone. If Christ can be given attributes that are reserved strictly for this one true God without incurring His wrath, then it says a lot about who Christ is and the reason why this is.

It is very clear through Sacred scriptures that Christ and the Father share one essence which he alluded to by saying that He and the Father are one. Going through Sacred scriptures only strengthens my convictions about the Trinity teaching.

Sentiments like this:



are not what guide my study of Sacred scriptures.

Boomark: I understand you. This what i stand for with frosbel. They should have done well if they had considered 1 and 2 below. If they are not trinitarians and knew that the Father is the God of jesus, Rev 3:12. If they considered that Christ is subject to the Father, 1Cor 15:27-28.

Goshen360: Ermm, Ermm *okay, official signal...trynna make a or some changes*

The match is very hot right & I need make 1 or 2 changes. #Consulting with technical adviser mode activated before making changes#

1. I need HOLY WATER NOW, THE HOLY WATER will work miracles. I need Prophet Bidam to get us that ASAP or we send EMERGENCY words to MOST SENIOR PROPHET T.B JOSHUA. but, tchidi, can continue selling cold zobo to spectators ONLY WHILE THE ZOBO REMAINS COLD.

2. I need take that pygru guy out of the field and bring JeSoul in but my fear is, I hope we won't have to bring JeSoul out again within 2 minutes but make I see wetin she fit play as she dey dare TECHNICAL ADVISER. That pygru guy is just running round the field AIMLESSLY.

Goshen360: ^

Know ye not that they\he who is made the goalkeeper is he who is capable of saving the team, should they face penalty kick. Hence, they should remain in their goal post - Epistle according to Coach Goshen360 Chapter 1 verse 1, You don't need Strong's concordance anyway to understand this Epistle.




I'm Goshen360 & I ENDORSE your message! Good work on my behalf....You're hereby promoted to be the TECHNICAL ADVISER.