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[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]and the other difference being, we have a reason and justification to discriminate against whites. .

anyways, most of our discrimination is merely verbal. .[/quote]its still racism, in your mind you think its justified. That is your mind playing tricks with you as it did to hitler.

CAMEROONPRIDE: ^because they ain't your bro, I agree they are bleeped up so let me help my people, they don't need this useless religions even their masters have abandoned it.
All Western churches are now empty or full of non white.

the local messiah has arrived!! Clap for him!!!

CAMEROONPRIDE: Also our destinies are not related,we ain't the same if you and your people are happy with the Catholic church ,we African aren't and want you and your useless priests to leave our sacred land

speak for yourself, d last time i checked there was no "president of all africa" with authority to speak for everyone. U ar a "african" not "africans".

CAMEROONPRIDE: his color matter, the church is supposed to b fair or you mean only white can b head of the church? Others like Africailns can't lead but only follow? You they(Africans) are not able to lead in their own congregation? Why then are they still doing in this racist and "hitlerian" organization?

and u want zoning like pdp abi?

CAMEROONPRIDE: ^ spare me of this white propaganda Obama and Mandela ke? Make I hear those white tools?
Naaa Caucasian are always playing tricks.
Anyway my concern is this useless religion which keep deceiving my people , which refuses to represent them when they contribute the most in term of followers,
This tool of satan and devil's agents forced this sh.it upon my people/ancestors, they destructed our traditions and societies.

Stop worshiping the white man my brothers

Your God is white
Your jesus is white
Your pope is white

That means you don't exist in their conception of Catholicism
You don't belong to this slavery tools
Free your minds African
Let's go back to paganism

you are also a raicist, d difference between you and your colonial masters is that they were baised against black while u discriminate against whites.

frosbel: Let us face it, our Catholic brothers need Prayers, the deception is thick.

continue to pray for me in ur prayers alway remember to add.

Dear holy and almight father, may i not be like the pharisees, hypocrites who wish to remove the spec in their bothers eyes and forget the log in their own eyes, help me each day by the light of your holyspirit to seek, see, admit and remove my blinder if any and confirm me always to teach your own truth. Teach me dear lord to be humble, to be like the little child alway ready to learn your truth, may i be pepetually open to the work of your spirit and continue in my journey to know you the only true God and your son Jesus Christ. I make this prayer in the name of my lord and saviour Jesus christ. Amen.


Each time you pray for me remember to also pray for yourself. I'll pray you continually hear d word of God and ponder it in your heart like mary.
Peace

ijawkid: We can from the scriptures learn about the law which the sabbath fell under and if christians are under obligation to observe it.......at least the sabbath was observed by patriarchs of old.....

Can you by any chance show us where servants of God at any time mummified dead bodies,move them from place to place and bow down to them??..........

Ona wan use us play abi??......

hehehe, u accuse me of not "obeying" God's word now e dey pinch u 4 body. Jacobs bones were moved around.

ijawkid: You want me to define worship to you abi??.......when u bow in front of the mary statue or when you count your beads like muslims or buddhists and recite the hail mary and also when you do obeisance to a dead piece of meat you can do well to ask yourself what worship is.....you guys think you are dealing with new born babies................

no it a pity i am discussing with a grown man who on this issue has rejected his reasoning faculty. Worship=posture+beads. U try

christemmbassey: if u ppl can support bishops, cardinals etc destroying the anus of young boys and men, what wont u support. Only God knows what rcc is still hiding from the public, is it canibalism or satanism? Watch out for rcc2.

keep ur bad mouth for one side and don't accuse me unjustly!!! Can u provide proof that i supported pedophilia Keep ur accusation to urself, that u lack knowledge about historical xtianity isnt my fault, do not add me to that nonesense.

chukwudi44: Why don't we analyse the beliefs and practices of these 'church' that compiled the bible.let's see if they also used images in worship.If God could ask them to compile the bible may he also spoke with the to use images

amen, for d sake of arguement i'll let d assertion "d church compiled d bible" slide.
Let dat same church be brought to d scales so we will see if she uses images.

ijawkid: How does this even mean anything........

Where did you guys adopt the use of beads in worship??....from the books u compiled??......

The pagans have there own holy books and all you guys did was tap from there book.....no be so??....

that isnt d point!
D church compiled scripture, d pagans have their own scriptures, u didnt complain, d church uses beads for prayer other pagans have their beads and yet u claim becos d church uses bead she is pagan.
I put it to u that u have demostrated hypocrisy.

Reyginus: Okay. I will see what I can do.

i noticed you resurected d old thread, i'll start from there.

striktlymi: I usually do not read through a very lengthy post unless it is strikingly interesting...the holy father is an orator and I enjoyed every moment with him...

May God bless him and keep him and may our Lady watch over him as he begins his pontificate. St Francis...pray for him.

amen, he his a good orator a man of the people. The guy know how to socialise. Type anything about "sunday", "pope" and "mass" on google and you'll see reports of how he greets tom, dick and hary before saying his sunday mass, he literally goes into the crowd and greets everyone he meets, welcoming them like a parish pastor, he was even patted on the back. He gives his homily from his heart. I will paste his homily later.

striktlymi: http://www.truecatholic.us/pope/papaloath.htm

that sounds like d alledged papal oath.

uboma: @ op, is that really the oath that the pope must take? If it really is, then doom awaits the pope himself and his followers. What a patient and loving Heavenly Father we have. I pray that some of the pope's followers will wake up from their spiritual blindness before it is too late.

that oath has nothing to do with the pope so keep ur sentiments.

Subtext: Ok so you didn't read the post above, you just rushed to comment. People rushing back to the catholic church doesn't prove anything beyond the fact that people are misguided and most times willingly so. Even more so as the end of times draws closer and closer.

How biblical is the above, that's the question. Except you can prove that isn't the oath the pope swore...

sorry my dear, popes dont swear d silly oath you wrote above.

Subtext: This is The Jesuit Oath that The New Pope has taken
(Text of the Oath)

I Jorge Bergoglio , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St. Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His Holiness, the Pope,

hahahahahahahahaha, this one was terible, it literally came jumping at me, what nonesense? When u want to discredit d catholic church don't u know how to do it?
Sorry my dear, d above oath no follow, d jesuits dont take that oath and never did, that oath has been debunked. Make ur research b4 u post such nonesense.
To show d stupidity of d whole thing d oath u claim card jorge took, say "in d pontificate of paul the 3rd" paul d 3rd died in 1549, that time card jorge mother hadn't been concieved.
How posible??

goldenval: From Rome

give me a link, did u take d pic yourself??

Brothers and sisters, hello! After the first meeting last Wednesday, today I can again offer my greeting to everyone! And I am glad to do it on Sunday, the Lords day! This is beautiful and important for us Christians: coming together on Sunday, greeting each other, talking with each other like we are doing now here in the piazza; a piazza that, thanks to the media, has the dimensions of the world. On this fifth Sunday of Lent, the Gospel presents us with the episode of the adulterous woman (cf. John 8:1-11), who Jesus saves from the death sentence. Jesus attitude is striking: we do not hear words of scorn, we do not hear words of condemnation, but only words of love, of mercy, that invite us to conversion. Neither do I condemn you: go and sin no more! (8:11). Well, brothers and sisters, the face of God is that of a merciful father, who always has patience. Have you thought about Gods patience, the patience that he has for each of us? That is his mercy. He always has patience, patience with us, he understands us, he waits for us, he does not weary of forgiving us if we know how to return to him with a contrite heart. Great is the mercy of the Lord, the Psalm says. These last several days I have been able to read a book by a cardinal Cardinal Kasper, a smart theologian, a good theologian on mercy. And it did me much good that book, but dont think that I am advertising the books of my cardinals! It is not that way! But it did me much good, much good... Cardinal Kasper said that hearing the word mercy, this word changes everything. It is the best word we can hear: it changes the world. A little mercy makes the world less cold and more just. We need to rightly understand this mercy of God, this merciful Father, who has a lot of patience ... Let us remember the prophet Isaiah, who says that even if our sins are bright red, Gods mercy can make them white as snow. Mercy is beautiful! I remember, when I had just become a bishop, in the year 1992, Our Lady of Fatima had just arrived in Buenos Aires and there was a big Mass for the sick. I went to hear confessions at that Mass. And near the end of the Mass I got up, because I had to administer holy oil. An old lady came to me, a humble lady, very humble, over 80 years old/ I looked at her and I said to her: Grandma, because in our country this is what we call old people: Grandma do you want to go to confession? Yes, she said to me. But if you havent sinned..., [I said]. And she said to me: We have all sinned... . But maybe the Lord does not forgive them... [I replied]. The Lord forgives everything, she told me, certain of what she was saying. But how do you know that, madam? If the Lord did not forgive everything, [she said], the world wouldnt exist. I felt like asking her, Tell me, madam, did you study at the Gregorian? because thats the wisdom that the Holy Spirit gives: interior wisdom about the mercy of God. Let us not forget this: God never wearies of forgiving us, never! So, father, whats the problem? Well, the problem is that we grow weary, we do not want to, we tire of asking for forgiveness. He never tires of forgiving, but we, at times, we tire of aski ng forgiveness. Let us never tire, let us never tire! He is the loving Father, who always forgives, who has that heart of mercy for all of us. And we too learn to be merciful with everyone. We invoke the intercession of Our Lady who held in her arms the Mercy of God made man. Now let us all together pray the Angelus. [Following the recitation of the Angelus, the Holy Father greeted those present in Italian.] I offer a cordial greeting to all the pilgrims. Thanks for your welcome and for your prayers. I ask you to pray for me. I renew my embrace of the faithful of Rome and I extend it to all of you, who come from various parts of Italy and of the world, and to those who are joining through different media. I chose the name of the Patron of Italy, St. Francis of Assisi, and that reinforces my spiritual bond with this land, where as you know my family has its origins. But Jesus has called us to be part of a new family: his Church, this family of God, walking together along the way of the Gospel. May the Lord bless you, may Our Lady protect you. Do not forget this: the Lord never wearies of forgiving! We are the ones who weary of asking for forgiveness. Have a good Sunday and a good lunch!

shdemidemi: I sort of see it differently though.
I believe Jesus died for the sin I will commit tomorrow. If i really understand how He bought me from the sin market, it humbles me rather than it being a license to go committing more sins. But if I decide to go the other way of sinning, I believe there are earthly consequences--which does not affect my justification through Christ.
On a flip side I cannot stop being a sinner. I can never be righteous (nobody can) in this flesh.
Cos that is how I am wired.
I believe that is why God gave me a gift.
A gift(grace) I don't deserve instead of a wage (law) that I can't fulfill.
I want us to really look at this together.

this is the once saved always saved teaching

Goshen360: First, I do not think a Christian SHOULD CONTINUE to commit the SAME SIN. However, if such begins to happen, such believer have allowed sin and flesh to rule and enslaved.

Such mind is dead and silenced towards the word and Spirit of God. Such mind has then been given as a reprobate to the devil. Such needs to seek the face of God and come to REPENTANCE.

does ur definition of repentance involves 'rejustification'

Goshen360: 24Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. Romans 3 >> New Living Translation

Justification first finds its ground in Christ's righteousness. The means is by - faith (Rom. 5:1, 4-5). The evidence is shown by - good works (James 2:21-24). True faith, living faith will express itself outwardly by good works. Apostle Paul states in Rom. 4:2, "For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say?" This is a good question. Let’s look at the answer.

Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness. Romans 4:3-5

There's a divine exchange for righteousness of God with our faith or believe in the finished work of Christ. It is on that ground we're justified with God. If we go to Gen. 4:10, we find that Abraham was justified before he was circumcised. This all occurred before his son Isaac was born so he had the righteousness that God gives by faith only. In Romans 4:23-25 we read,

"Now it is not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him, but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered for our offenses and was raised again for our justification."

It's not baptism or works that justify us, but by faith,[\b] our works are all acts of faith, which one must have beforehand in order to do them. We see, biblically, that our faith is alive before our baptism. In the act of baptism, and after baptism, in our works. Works flow out of a true faith. When we say we receive salvation by faith alone it is referring to being the only conduit to the grace of God. We are saved by faith but it is not alone - it is accompanied by works being expressed out of our faith. Our works have no merit before God for salvation; however, we are created in Christ to do good works. Faith is the active principle in every aspect of one's Christian life. Romans 14:23 says, [b]"Whatever is not of faith is sin, therefore all is by faith." The Bible never condemns faith alone but a faith that is dead, an empty profession. Its inward deadness is demonstrated by its lack of outward life. Faith that is not alive, without works, that faith is not saving faith.

the bolded seems incomplete. it is not baptism or works or faith that justifies us but GOd who imputs the justice/merit/righteous of Christ on the sinner. Faith in Christ and baptism are preconditions.

It is clear through the example of Abraham's life that the works spoken of by James justify the believer in the demonstrative sense only. Christ's work justifies in the procuring sense. The Savior is a person and it is His work that one must believe in to be justified (legally declared righteous). We are not justified before God from what we do. One's own works will not justify anyone. It is God’s grace through faith, it is a gift. When sanctification and justification are confused, it robs from someone the sure foundation which they are to build on. Since Christ is the sure foundation and there is no other, we must build on His finished work or else our works are not wrought in Christ.

you seem uncertain the bolded almost contradict. and i'll like you to explain demonstrative justification.

Reyginus: one at a time . We will come to that. Let's deal with this one problem before anything. Do you hold the church or the catholic church compiled the bible?

why not let the councils that compiled d bible to answer 4 demself
https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?post=14808756&topic=1104124
d text reads catholic church so many times

Reyginus: italo, the moment the tag 'catholic' began to appear with the 'church', it became denominational. Their was never the need for 'catholic' in the first church, because it was evident in the life. Certainly, if you hold the catholic church compiled the bible, you're indirectly subscribing to the existence of other churches in that era. That is not true. This notion I think calls to mind the statement by protestants that the catholic church and not the church tortured the people who challenged unquestionable beliefs in the classic era. That's a way to run from taking responbility, if you ask me.
An agreement reached by the members of an organization cannot be said to be the brain child of a selected few. That's what you're trying to do.
I love this church so much. Especially for its ability to resist the immorality in present day churches. But it has its flaws too(though isolated) in this respect.

sorry even at d time wen d bible was been compiled d church already had a distinct name she was called catholic, and there were already heresy at that time

ijawkid: Even when the scriptures say do not make graven images you guys out rightly disobey such commands to make useless statues...........if u can show any of Gods servants that preserved the dead bodies of persons to bow down to it you can as well show us and stop supporting idolatry.....it is obvious that u guys can worship just about anything...even the sh++t in your toilet..........smh!!!..........

Did Jesus our master bow down to dead bodies....italo and UBE you guys are both a big disgrace to Christ........

d scriptures also say keep d sabbath holy. i doubt follow dat scripture uh?? and lastly dat heart wasnt preserved it is in-corrupt

Reyginus: Firstly, I have to make this clear. The Roman Catholic church did not compile the bible. The 'church' did. They are not the same thing. Let's make this clear before we proceed.

tell mee wu comprised dat church

ijawkid: O men we all know what worship means in all angles...don't take us for fools or kids.......which ever way you choose to define worship,bowing before a dead meat remains something detestable to God.............don't call me ignorant...if anyone is ignorant it is you and italo and your clerics who've chosen to shove scriptural injunctions aside to espouse the worship of a rotten meat...are you guys vampires or what??.......

yet u till seem unable to define worship. u rest is just ur emotional arguement.

Reyginus: Firstly, I have to make this clear. The Roman Catholic church did not compile the bible. The 'church' did. They are not the same thing. Let's make this clear before we proceed.

hahahaha, acording to u d church compiled d bible, did God jump down from heaven to command it? d very same people who compiled d said bible also had images and venerated them. u are asking wu told dem to make images but u refused to ask wu told dem to compile d bible.

ijawkid: The last time I checked it was pagans who used BEADS in worship......why can't u guys for once in your life follow the exact foot steps of Christ and the apostles??...........

Why can't u pray to God our Father without the use of the rosary??.....ona go die??.......

d last time i checked d pagans also have their own holy books dat didnt stop d catholic church from compiling d bible and i didnt see u complaining about that

ijawkid: this is not about posture alone...this is about walking up to a graven image and doing obeiscance to it and reciting words of devotion to the image...........why must a group of people walk up to that dead statue , bow to it and then say its not idolatry....what else does the scriptures call it??..........

I can bet that you have a lil mould of marys image located in one shrine-like compartment there in your house which you bow down to everyday..........UBE if it is not idolatry then abeg define what it is..........God dey watch ona o..........I just can't understand how u guys stand a chance to run away from the fact that y'all are steeped in idolatry..........

u didnt even try to define worship. my dear ur idea of worship is all twisted. u cant accuse some one of idolatry unless u can prove d person worshiped d image. d senario u mentioned above can mean anything and joshua did exacly d same thing in d bible.

Syncan: It matters not how many times you shout this, the truth remains that you know that prayer by heart, and do not need to watch the video to know it contains the name Jesus(mentioned with a bow of reverence). You adjusted the title, ok. The apology is not meant for the pope, no, it is meant for those who come to Nairaland to be informed, but were misinformed by your post. When you posted it, it was a message meant for an audience,now the message has been found to be wrong, the very least you can do really is"I was wrong,I'm sorry". Know that it is not out of place that people are already carrying this beyond your thread. Even if you are fighting for God,would it be nice doing it with a lie? And if you were in error as you said above then you could be in error in some other things,that's why even when you chastise,do it humbly.

if you are preaching this gospel to frosbel, then i wish you good luck.

Boomark: I hereby suspend/delete my apology. italo and ubenedictus should calculate the number of times they insulted me on this forum and apologize to me. Lets settle here 1st before we think of going to rome.

i believe you won't find any post where i insulted you. Hehe.