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Jsmyth: But we all have to learn to forgive as God commanded us to......

so there was a change in revelation?
Strange!

[quote author=bobby.L]Why the arguments, the bible simply says thou shall not make thee any graven image or the likeness of anything in heaven, on earth or in the waters beneath the earth. God also says you shall not bow to them or serve them. That's for images you may say. Now, bowing to a dead piece of flesh is strange to me. I serve a living God.
God bless you.[/quote]u didnt provide d bible passage regarding flesh.
Atleast u tried to make a point.

Boomark: Are catholics that heartless. Dont they feel for that man who should be buried to rest in peace. cutting out his heart to keep in a room where you kneel and bow before it in prayer is diabolical. it reminds me of some secret society movies in Nigeria.

another arguement from emotion, so taking his heart will stop him from resting in peace.

ijawkid: Worship can't just be defined in one sentence....I'll give you various definitions and you tell me which one bowing down to a dead meat portrays...

wor·ship
[wur-ship]

-n.
1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5. a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually prec. by Your, His, or Her).

-v.t.
6. to render religious reverence and homage to.
7. to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).

-v.i.
8. to render religious reverence and homage, as to a deity.
9. to attend services of divine worship.
10. to feel an adoring reverence or regard.
_____________________________

Remember that that dead meat is infact being revered by your religious clerics........


What are your clergies even doing with a dead meat to start with??............I tire abeg!!!!.....

alas, i've gat no problem with reverent honor.

frosbel: I never thought I would see the day when human beings made in the image of GOD will bow to a half human being talk less of a piece of a human being.

Totally disgusting !!!

emotions! Emotions! It seems u dont have a case.

christemmbassey: respect? U bow to respect a rotten flesh? If that is not paganism, i wonder the type of cult ti is, illuminati? Cos i am VERY SURE its not christianity.

i'm just surprised. None of u is even trying to make a point, u just keep giving me the emotional crap.

frosbel: there is nothing funny and everything wrong with bowing down before a piece of rotten mummified meat. I can tell you one thing for sure, Almighty God has nothing to do with the cult of Catholicism.

another arguement from emotion!

christemmbassey: sir i told you in d oda thread that u should not support a bad thing and u tried to danced arround, and here u come again. Pls if bowing to a dried up piece of flesh is not abomination(or is it abomicontinent?) pls as a catholic, can u explain this to us? Ofcourse with bible portions. Thank u and God bless.

sorry my dear, d burden of proof lies with u making the accusation. If i wanted to explain d use of relics i would have open a thread, since frobel has started one with accusation, i'll just enjoy. He should show he has a case, if not his accusations is without meaning.

Your research seems to be on point. While the inquisitions themselve seem to spring up from deficient ideology which are comdemable and rightly so, the accounts of millions been killed are higly exegerated.

D ibo case aside, i think the stuff is more than an ibo problem.
A similar thing (though d circumstance may differ) happened in edo state. Uromi diocese was created when arch bishop Epku was archbishop of benin. Rumours had it that he didnt judge any Esan man qualified for d ministry of bishop and so didnt nominate anybody for consideration, so for d uromi people, out of the blue came akubueze a guy nobody had even heard of (from isseluku diocese). During that time d priests in uromi where busy preaching about d universality of the church, it seems d idea worked and after a little hesitation akubueze who couldnt speak a single esan word was accepted.
That wasn't the case in benin archdiocese. Ekpu retired and a white man from ireland named burke became archbishop. Nobody had a problem with that, burke was the oldest bishop in d arch diocese after ekpu. He was welcome and was successful as archbishop until his past sins came back to hunt him. He was called to rome to answer for himself, he decided to retire into solitude and prayer. Because of the circumstance of burkes retirement he couldn't nominate anybody and Gbuji was appointed as apostolic administrator, rumours had it he wasted no time nominating his so akubueze for d archbishoric (akubueze was gbuji boy both from isseluku) while akubueze was about 5yr old as bishop. Bishop Dunia of auchi was older and more expirenced but akubueze had been approved by rome as archbishop. Benin disagree.
If it was time to chose d archbishop, dunia was next, if akubueze who was d youngest could be chosen then why not throw away all the bottle necks and appoint a benin man bishop of d benin metropolitan see. The benin people didnt want and ibo man, if dunia wasnt to be appointed then they want a benin son (neither dunia or auchi diocese complained, infact they didnt seem to have a problem with the process). Benin men and women even knight who should know better wrote petitions and sent to rome, the message was clear they didnt want an ibo man.
But rome had already given d directive and akubueze was installed, about 9months later, the benin groups started withdrawing their petitions.
The ahiara diocese case is just d expression of d canker worm eating deep into d fabric of our society, dat worm is ethnicity.

Really! So "mormonism" do reach naija

Jsmyth: If you are a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, let's meet here and share our views, experiences, tesmimonies, ask questions, etcetera.
This thread is also open to all Christians interested in learning and knowing of the true gospel of Jesus Christ in its fullness which is only found in the MORMON church.
Feel free to ask questions about the church and gospel of Jesus Christ.

Pastor Kun: So of what relevance exactly is this practice of bowing down before a piece of dead human flesh? Also biblical quotes to support this practise would be very much appreciated.

fencing off. You just shifted d burden of proof to me while u are the person making the accusations! Hehehe.

[quote author=Paris_Love] The religion of peace seems quite unable to coexist with others everywhere they are. I hope the Pakistan govt, international community and the church does something to help these Christians they just rendered homeless. [/quote]i seriously doubt that! Nothing dem go do about am. It seems the only hope for christian there is to flee.

Pastor Kun: On the contrary it is you who is being emotional about a wrong practise just because it is a catholic tradition. Any true christian would know that idolising any object or person is contrary to the will of God.

here comes d merryband!

Before u accuse someone of idolising an object or person, you must prove that d "someone" is worshiping d idol or person. If not u dont have a case.
So my dear, it will be interesting to know how u come to d conclusion that an object/person is been idolised.

ijawkid: Hope u know worshipping could also just mean bowing down..............deep down y'all catholics know what we are talking about...... ......the images,pound of flesh,statutes you bow down to are all connected to and part of your devotional routines(worship).............

Is it right in the eys of Yahweh and his Son??.......would they be happy with this lawless act??............

devotion doesn't mean worship, and sorry when protestants start their accusation and "catholic know what i'm talking about" it just spoils everything. It d same as calling them dishonest.



Bowing could and maybe an expression of worship, but what makes it worship or not isn't the posture, it is the heart and intension of the person. Whatever posture d person assumes whether bowing or even prostration doesnt make it worship! The intention of d person does. And u ijawkid and everybody here doesn't even know d intention of d next guy, how do you presume to know d intention of the people you criticize? Even d people u criticise totally say "i do not worship it" then are u God that u should know otherwise.
Worship isnt a matter of accident or posture, it must come from d heart and unless u know d heart u can not judge.




I just gave a simple explanation, i'll be unimpressed if your response is emotional instead of factual.

frosbel: I am surprised that you are not ashamed of the heathen pagan practice of bowing down before idols, even worse in this case , before a piece of decayed and mummified piece or flesh.

Sickening.

arguement of emotion. Kip it up

[quote author=Paris_Love]^^^

Yea, yea. If we've upgraded to baptism by holy spirit due to the coming of Christ why still hang on to immersion by water kinda baptism?[/quote]hehehe, so d apostles no get sense abi?

Goshen360: ^^^
That's not what this thread is about and that's not what I'm saying. This thread is about whether the physical water in baptism itself is what washes away our sin? The answer is NO. Should we be baptized into water by immersion? YES!

no! The thread isn't about whether d physical water washes away sins. The thread is asking "does baptism wash away sins?" simple question.

Goshen360: John's baptism is different from the Christian baptism. In John 1:23-27, John preaches to prepare their hearts and to look for the Messiah who is able to forgive sins. In John 1:29, he introduces Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Apparently, if water washes sin, John's water baptism would have done that and he (John) would not have looked forward to another (Christ) who takes away the 'sins' of the world. In verse 31-33, we find John is baptizing to reveal the Christ to Israel, his ministry is then to decrease and Jesus' is to increase.

In Matthew 3:11, John contrasts his baptism by water with Jesus' baptism by the Holy Spirit (Mk. 1:8 )."I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance but He who is coming after me is mightier than I. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." (Mk. 1:7-8 )

Acts 1:5, Jesus said to them "For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Jesus is making a distinction between water and Spirit baptism, just as John did. John's water baptism always showed repentance - It looked forward to Christ whom they would receive. The Holy Spirit's work would be inward. This is the spiritual work of God to regenerate a believer and put them supernaturally in the body of Christ. Water can never wash away sins in a literal sense since it is from the outside.

The sin nature is inside which only God can reach and cleanse, which is why baptism must be viewed as a symbolic ceremony of the inward change by the Spirit Himself. Forgiveness and cleansing are in the person and work of Jesus, not the 'symbol' of cleansing itself via water baptism. To trust the ceremony alone or with Christ's work is spiritual suicide. From looking at all the text we find that John baptized people unto repentance looking forward to the Son of God, the Lamb who alone takes way our sins - John never could say your sins are forgiven or washed away via water baptism, but Jesus did without water baptism.

ur last statement just made the whole thing sound funny.

[quote author=i.chuka]Necessary for what actually?
The baptism of John was merely declaring to the world that one has repented,as long as one has repented baptism or not wnt change that fact.
Likewise when we are been baptized in Christ.
The Water thing is merely a declaration to the world what has already taken place in ones live.[/quote]the bible doesnt agree with you, my bible says "baptism saves you now", it also says " be baptised for d forgiveness of sins and the reception of the spirit"
if u cant read d scriptures then i'm sorry.

[quote author=i.chuka]Go study Collosian2:11-14.[/quote]that passage supports baptism. Pls show me where d bible says baptism is not important and accepting Jesus as personal lord and saviour is important

Eileen111111: You said, "So you now agree that Jesus did not create Mary but just her son. Have you forgotten how you are busy quoting that Jesus created all things to support the defeated trinity doctrine."

My response
I did not say that "Jesus did not create Mary but just her son." God created Mary, as he created all creatures, the heavens and the earth. It is possible for Mary to give birth to her Creator. The Bible says, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” (Matthew 19:16) Nothing is an obstacle for God.

Also read the Angel Gabriel's words to Mary, "And behold, Elizabeth, your relative, has also conceived* a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren; for nothing will be impossible for God." (Luke 1:36-37)

hi eileen11, i think repeating people's posts is a bit burdensome. Please use the quote botton after the post instead of repeating them.
Great answers though.

frosbel: because the Tithe is a lie that brings God's children under the yoke of slavery and is a FRAUD !!

hehe, oga frosbel really passionate. I really think this issue isn't given the attention it deserves, anony and goshen really have questions to answer.

Goshen360: Thank God you quoted me. I never said it is once and for all. I said, it is a one time event that happened when a man is saved in obedience to the gospel of Christ. However, it is dangerous also to teach the one and for all stuff or abusing the Grace of God that comes from the privilege of justification. There's also justification as past and present guilt provided we DO NOT CONTINUE IN SUCH OR SAME SIN thinking the Grace is available.

sorry if i misunderstood, i equate one time event to once and for all (sincerely i can hardly see the difference btw d two statement, but i'll give d benefit of d doubt).

Rexyl: You should understand that missionaries were primarily after the gospel, fulfilling the work of the father which is clearly stated for you and I in Matthew 28:18-20 and Mark 16:15-18. For this cause they suffered from harsh weather and strange illnesses that resulted to death and burial of some of them in Africa. I could understand that you are trying to pollute their activities with the excesses of the colonial imperialism and activities of the merchants who came alongside for a different mission. Pls don't make mistake that education and transformation brought by these good people are the cause of your present predicament. They were the people of God who suffered a lot for the upliftment of the downtrodden. You should appreciate the legacies they left behind. Infact I have always appreciated their indelible prints on education in terms of well organised structures and good facilities with which they equipped schools and colleges “legacies“ left behind which your community/political heads have found difficult to maintain.

amen

joek: Please where is it written the Bible that Mary is interceeding for xtians?

and how does this concern d thread

Boomark: Why i wrote that is because she gave a cunning answer which you agreed to.

I said that Jesus created Mary, therefore he is Mary's father.

She said, "God the Father is her Father, God the Son is her son and God the holy spirit is her spouse(this one too needs clarification). With this she left out the fatherly role of Jesus over Mary which is our focus point. This faults the statement that "Mary is the mother of God." She can't be the mother of her father.

God's position remained static while Jesus was glorified above his original position. Therefore he is not equal to God before and after his stay on earth.

u are reading what isnt there. mary gave birth to her creator is dat hard for u to understand?? as 4 spouse, i'll like to ask u a question, who is responsible for mary's pregnancy

Vincent 4: congrats but make una stop child abuse

thank GOD that one is on a decline

MEILYN: 4 ur info. King James is d best Translated Bible.....U Catholics shld be ashamed of ur selfs u blive Apocrypha? Is part of d Bible oh my God nd u even practice nd blive wat is in there....hmmmmmm God pls save us

d very 1st king james bible had d aprocrypal, incase u dont knkw. they later decided to subtract from d word

HugeMac: whats the difference between Glory and honour , stop deceiving yourself.
Did Jesus ask u to glorify Mary or God.
If u honour Mary that means she has done a lot for you. And we all know that is God that does these things through people. Only God sent his only begotten son. All honour goes to God .
Why dont u honour Paul or John the baptist. Stop this idolatry
HUMAN BEINGS NA WA OO

and 2morow u will call ur governor ur excellence and u"ll come back here and tell me honour belongs to God alone. where did ur bible say honour belongs to God alone??