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ijawkid: So you've got married priests??.......then why we dey argue since??.........so are you saying the law of celibacy does nt hold anymore??

celibacy has alway been as christ said for those to whom it is given. No one forces others to b celibate that is why i find d op ridiculous.

ooman:

HERE IS YOUR BLUNDER, JUNKY!!!



This is found here: https://www.nairaland.com/1231387/twenty-questions-atheists-struggle-answer#14846240

so now, who is misquoting??

he somehow seem correct. Evolution is a scientific guess.
Anyway lets leave dat for another day.

Boomark: Anthonypeters, just ask them who are the saints they pray to and you will see them stammer. discuss Rev 12 with them and they will insult you and bolt away in v6. Christ is the mediator between God and Man. It must be a Man. be it a man praying to God direct or a man praying for 200 men, it must surely be prayers of men not spirits or dead people. with Christ at the center.

Mary has never asked and received anything on behalf anybody who prayed. the people at the wedding in cana went to Christ and asked and they received.
Anthony, you made a very beautiful choice.

hahaha, so you even twist scriptures to suite your silly lies eh?
Which people in cana asked Jesus? Was it no marry?
Abeg carry ur lies go one side jor.

Uyi Iredia: Actually all the 3 aspects you mentioned have been fulfilled. You make iamges. You bow to them as frosbel has shown. You pray to them to intercede to God on your behalf. You have even violated the simple command of not making graven images.

so God contradicted himself when he asked moses to make images abi?

Mr tobechi there's no defence for the Catholic adoration of the saints.

you are on you own. No catholic "adores" saints.

italo: @ Anthonypeters, that ridiculously long post is for you.

Read it, and if you enjoy it, post another long post that heads nowhere in particular...then I'll give you an even longer post.

But if you want to discuss your objection to The Catholic Faith honestly, then do as honest people do...

ONE BY ONE.

hehehe, i no bold read that post. E b like say you compile a book.

anthonypeters: so I honour my father by making an
image that I 'feel' looks like him? I honur
my mother by making her image and then
bowing and praying before her image
right? It is such a pity when people fool
themselves. People now want to give God
a shape and a form aaaaah! God have
mercy!
I do not know whether you have ever
came across where Jesus said, I am the
way the truth, and the life, NO ONE
COMETH UNTO THE FATHER BUT BY ME......
John 14.6. Jesus never said some people
will come through me while others will
come throguh Peter, others can as well
choose to come through Mary, some
might as well choose Maria. No one
cometh unto the father but by me. The
word of God is clear, human philosophy
and logic does not explain it, The word of
God standeth sure, it never fades, it does
not change with the course of time.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven
image, or any likeness of anything that is
in heaven above, or that is in the earth
beneath, or that is in the water under the
earth. Thou shalt not bow down theyself
to them........... Exodus 20:4-5. God
instructed Moses to make the serpent,
yes! Should anyone bitten by the snake
look upon it be healed, yes! God never
told them to bow to the brazen serpent,
God never told them to pray nor design
prayers to them, God never also told them
to make altars or prayers with them. By
the way, the brazen serpent was made on
God's instruction, Moses never woke up
and thought it to a good thing to design
an image or a brazen serpent rather. The
brazen serpent was made STRICTLY on
God's instruction. On whose instructions
were those images you use designed?
At the wedding in Cana, Mary the mother
of Jesus begged Jesus to help the cuple
wedding, that they were running out of
wine, Jesus actually did that but I want to
draw you back to what Mary the mother
of Jesus said to the servants serving a the
wedding before she left..... John 2:5 His
mother said unto the servants,
whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. Mary
was actually telling the servants that she
cant do anything with regards to their
need at that point in time, the only person
that could help them was Jesus!
There is only one mediator between us
and the father, and that is Jesus, none
other. Jesus is the only way.... There is no
other means to the father except Jesus.
Believe me if I tell that I was a Catholic for
20 years, wallowing in false doctrine and
human logic. I can boast here on
Nairaland that no one knows the Catholic
doctrine more than I do. I studied it, lived
it, baptised in it, communioned in it,
confirmed in it, bread and buttered in it,
and received awards as a faithful scholar
and teacher of the Catholic doctrine, until
when I went down to the roots, started
afresh and God showed me the truth I
never wanted to accept. Thank God Christ
Jesus!
I do not have time to enter deeply into
this, if you the poster should get to study
the Catholic Church, its doctrine..... Infact
everything about it, get to know the truth,
I tell you that you will..........
I am not saying that the Catholic Church in
itself is evil, NO! All I am saying is that
some of their doctrines should not be
practiced by anyone who actually is a
Christian. Have you done any studies on
buddhism, hiduism and other pagan
religions of the world ?
I cant actually say I am a protestant, NO I
am not a protestant, I am a Christian
saved by God's grace and mercy. Till today
my parents are Catholics, my siblings are
all Catholics, my relations both maternal
and paternal are all Catholics, even my
community is 90 percent Catholic except
me. Thank God for Jesus! I am not trying
to claim anything here please, try to
understand that I do not hete the Catholic
Church nor Catholics, I wish people will
get to know the truth. You cant imagine
the rate of hatred and insult I got from my
family when I declared Christianity, my
family hated me so much just for that
singular reason, but they failed cos they
saw that the change that brought to my
soul when I declared Christian is spiritual,
and as such came with many spiritual
gifts and blessings.
I wish I could have time and enough
space to discuss this, but I believe that a
word is enough for the wise.
God bless you!
Be rapturable because that is the greatest
message not pagan idols and biased
religions.
Once again, God bless you!

so u also pasted this stuff here? Dis was answered on d oda thread. Don't waste my time.

ijawkid: Define bible na then make we discuss this issue well...abi you want make I define am??...

i feel no need to reply you dishonesty. If u don't know what d xtian bible is, so be it.

Why should you hold a bead and pray with it in the first place??....are you a pagan??.....I have asked you a million times...where did you adopt the use of beads in worship since it didn't originate with the pillars of christianity??...the answer should tell you how silly the rosary and the use of it is as far as worshipping Yahweh is concerned.....

my dear, beads are not restricted to pagans! Nowhere does d bible say so! Beads are used by christians, catholics, orthodox and anglicans, it doesn't have paganism attached to it.

The scriptures was still under writing nAaa....but as we know they had the hebrew books with them.....they also had access to letters from paul and from other apostles.......they read from something that's the bottÓm line........

bottomline they didnt have a xtian bible.
Thankyou.

ijawkid: Keep fooling yourself with semantics.....
The more you keep running away from the fact that you are guys are ardent idolaters the more you are guilty of idolatry...

u just dey exibit weytin i talk b4, sumtin dey scratch ya body.

Don't you bow down to that graven image called mary and pray repetitive prayers with the beads??......

Is that not exactly what the buddhists and muslims do that you guys are doing claiming to be followers of Christ??...........

you said catholics "recite mantras to bead and image" where did u see a catholic praying to a bead?
Sumtin dey scratch ya body.

ijawkid: Oboy u are been disingenous...
answer the damn questions and face front.....did the isrealites transfer d bones of patriarchs from generation after generation let alone venerate them....you are a greater waste of time and space...

a question was asked, where in d bible was someone's remains moved around, i responded by talking about jacobs remains. I aswered d question. The above is ur business.

homesteady: Why 'll i be jealous of catholics I left catholic church about 3years ago! My parents and siblings are still catholics!! So there is nothing about catholic's i dont know. I've attended confirmation classes about 3 times,but i've never finished any because of skul!! I was an alter boy ,The caretaker of all the vestments. The only feat i did not acheive as an alter boy was to serve a bishop mass!! But i've served other masses. I served as candle-bearer,cross-bearer,incense boat-bearer,turifer,MC..... Sorry to bore you with my long history!! *lest i forget, i was in legion of marry*
so i know a lot of things about catholic church dat you dont even know!!.

so story, none of that long stuff u name that i didnt do, what is so special about been a mass server dat u won't let me hear? What is that stuff u claim to know dat everyone is ignorant of?

Ehen, you did not even justify my point, instead you started calling me names!! Let me repeat my statement again!!
Jesus said "No one can come to the father except through him" he did not say through him or mary or any saint!!
Then i said- if we ask mary or any saint to interceed on our behalf,then we are kinda saying Jesus is not capable enough to answer all our prayers, We are kinda saying Jesus can't do it alone!!

so when you pray for (interceed) others you are saying christ is incapable??
My dear christ isn't incapable, instead christ himself wanted us to be intercessors, that is d result of been incorporated into christ, you can interceed for another! Paul himself said "i urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions and thankgiving be made for all men" 1tim2:1 amen! By d fact am a christain and a member of christ's body i am an intercessor and can interceed for my brothers and sister. All christains do this even d ones in heaven can. I can interceed, so can peter and mary!

So we have to impose an assistant on him!! An assistant who 'll help him in listening to our prayers!!. And that assistant is Mary and the saints!!. This is a very logical statement,so that say it doesn't make sense!

hahaha, i share in d ministry of christ because i am a part of his body, i am king and priest that is why my bible says " you are a royal priesthood". A priest who can offer intercession isn't a priest! My bible says i'm a priest, my bible says i can offer intercession. So can the christians in heaven!

Syncan: .

I am not talking about vs5 yet, do not trouble yourself.I wonder which Interpretation you are using, but your belief that the Devil/Dragon/lucifer is still in heaven baffles me indeed and should baffle every Christian reading this too. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!(Is14:12). We probably are still waiting for Isiah's own abi?I believe I must have said it before...Do not behave as if the Bible fell from heaven to you, and the mandate given to us to obey your Interpretation. Rev 1:19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter"(Past,present and future).






If you watch, I do not respond to certain posts here.I do not waste my time on frivolities or arguments based on Ignorance. You hold on to a collection of books that you cannot prove it's authenticity,nor it been Inspired of God. You dissociate yourself from the councils held after the apostles; yet one of such councils as late as 385AD gave approval to what you hold so tenaciously as your Bible; for the teaching of the universal church. In 1517,According to you "The protestants might be protesting the murder committed by the catholic church"...when? Earlier? in their time? Why not take sometime to read about the spread of Christianity from the apostles, through the ages, till now. Christianity is not a new religion and you are learned enough to truncate such tales by moonlight stories you heard and study a bit.

the question is how can protestants like calvin be protesting killing when calvin was busy burning his own "heretics".

Boomark: I now understand you. Bro please read Rev 1:1. All these things are yet to come to pass. So it still stays as "erroneous catholic doctrine."

my dear you are cherrypicking. Rev 1: 19 says now write what you see, what is and what is to take place hereafter
as you can see revelation contains account of what is, that is d present not just d future

False doctrines abound. Even when the apostles were still alive. anyone can say that flogging people chicken/fowl to deliver them from demons, is an oral tradition passed by the apostles. Beware! Normally, those in heaven are holy and when you see any of them you can call him holy one. Our Father is Holy, Christ is holy, the Angels are holy. But the people Called the holy ones in the bible are humans, sanctified in Christ.

i think syncan answered this, i'll let it be.

Boomark: We are getting to the truth not to win debate.
look at Rev 1:1
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


Rev 12 started with "a great sign appeared in heaven..." In v5, the sign is not about Mary and Jesus cos Jesus has already been born and is now in heaven. this not a revelation of how Jesus will be born. the woman fled to the wilderness and spent 1260 days. did this happen to Mary? from v7, can you tell us when Micheal battled the dragon? these are things that have not taken place at the time of the revelation.



From the bolded, don't you see that all the things written by the apostles are more than enough for us to use? what council treated are things that are beneficial to the saints and not the new name God, Mary should answer. not the names angels should bear. The protestants might be protesting the murder committed by the catholic church cos they know the Holy spirit can not inspire such killings.

sorry my dear, the protestant were no protestin against killings, even luther and calvin had their own inquisition where they burnt "heretics" alive.

Boomark: Summary of idol worship in Roman catholic church

Boomark:

Exodus 20:4-5
4 “You shall not make for yourself an
image in the form of anything in
heaven above or on the earth
beneath or in the waters below.
5 You shall not bow down to them
or worship them; for I, the LORD
your God, am a jealous God,
punishing the children for the sin of
the parents to the third and fourth
generation of those who hate me,

Acts 17:29-30
English Standard Version
(©2001)
Being then God’s
offspring, we ought not to
think that the divine
being is like gold or silver
or stone, an image formed
by the art and
imagination of man.

catholics make supposed images of Christ and Mary. They kneel, bow, kiss and offer incense to it while making their prayers. These images are of things that are likely to be in heaven, earth or underneath. These images are made of wood, gold, silver, stone, bronze etc and are made according to how men imagine the divine ones should look like. That is why the have varying images of the same person. A crystal clear disobedient to God.

Watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZnyJB_IOjeA

compare it with this:

2 Kings 18:4
New International Version (NIV)
4 He removed the high places,
smashed the sacred stones and cut
down the Asherah poles. He broke
into pieces the bronze snake Moses
had made, for up to that time the
Israelites had been burning incense
to it. (It was called Nehushtan)

This the brazen serpent Richieboy used as one of the reasons for keeping statues.

All is equal to Idol worship.

the 2nd next command in exodus is keep d sabbath holy, do you do that!

Boomark: Summary of idol worship in Roman catholic church

Boomark:

Exodus 20:4-5
4 “You shall not make for yourself an
image in the form of anything in
heaven above or on the earth
beneath or in the waters below.
5 You shall not bow down to them
or worship them; for I, the LORD
your God, am a jealous God,
punishing the children for the sin of
the parents to the third and fourth
generation of those who hate me,

Acts 17:29-30
English Standard Version
(©2001)
Being then God’s
offspring, we ought not to
think that the divine
being is like gold or silver
or stone, an image formed
by the art and
imagination of man.

catholics make supposed images of Christ and Mary. They kneel, bow, kiss and offer incense to it while making their prayers. These images are of things that are likely to be in heaven, earth or underneath. These images are made of wood, gold, silver, stone, bronze etc and are made according to how men imagine the divine ones should look like. That is why the have varying images of the same person. A crystal clear disobedient to God.

Watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZnyJB_IOjeA

compare it with this:

2 Kings 18:4
New International Version (NIV)
4 He removed the high places,
smashed the sacred stones and cut
down the Asherah poles. He broke
into pieces the bronze snake Moses
had made, for up to that time the
Israelites had been burning incense
to it. (It was called Nehushtan)

This the brazen serpent Richieboy used as one of the reasons for keeping statues.

All is equal to Idol worship.

the 2nd next command in exodus is keep d sabbath holy, do you do that!

Boomark: Still nothing on the holy ones in heaven. Why am asking is because there are so many erroneous catholic doctrine based on it. the 1cor 1:2 you quoted showed us who the saints are. the humans who are sanctified in Christ Jesus are called saints. Maybe the apostles called themselves saints(holy ones) instead of Christians. these holy ones are the ones whose prayers are ascending to God from the golden bowl. This God is the God that answers our prayers and Christ our mediator has made it possible that our prayers(prayers of the holy ones) get to Him.

the article in wiki could be written by anybody. what we want is bible truth. If there is anything wrong in what i have written, point it out. You don't pray to any saint in heaven. we are the saints and that is what differentiates us from others here on earth.

all christians are saints, even d ones whose corpse is in d grave! I hope u can understand that!

frosbel: Is that what your 'humble' pope taught you ? To call people fools

as expected, frosbel is using emotional blackmail.

chukkynwob: I have one question please,

I am not a catholic so let me talk of what concerns christians in general.

That model that poses as christ in pictures,how did christians come to conclusion that he is the replica of christ?

for the portraits of christ that date to the earliest times of christainity.
Are you aware we still have portraits of emperor nero.

italo: @ Ubenedictus,

Seriously speaking now, dont you think that guy talks like a mad person. I dont want to mention his name but you surely know who I'm talking about.

Isnt it time we started ignoring him and his fellow mad men and discuss with those who are sane.

Think about it. In real life you wouldnt argue with a mad man, would you? And if you did, people would take you too as mad, so why do we do it on nairaland?

As for me, I think I have developed a code to show that I am deliberately ignoring them o.

"*SUSPECTED LUNATIC IGNORED*"

At least them no go talk say I abuse them. Na "suspected I talk.

I just dey tell you as my brother.

i think my problem is that i believe firmly and may alway believe in the possibility that man can rise above the limitations he has placed himself, my work is to help each man do so, to rise above mental poverty, spiritual poverty, phychological and sociological proverty and SO HELP ME GOD.

Dogohson: 1 Timothy 2 vs 5, "For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and Men, the Man Christ Jesus". From the above scripture, it can be deduced that praying to God through any other means other than Christ Jesus is wrong. He (JESUS) is the only mediator between we and God not some saints as the catholics profess. The above scripture settles that fact, whosoever debunks it only shows the level of ignorance he or she is wallowing in. Mary herself cried out to God as her 'Saviour' in Luke 1 vs 47.

so when u ask ur pastor to pray 4 u that mean u have another mediator abi?

This is the same Mary that the catholics regard as the "mother of God", what nonsense!

no nonsense, mary gave birth to her creator, if you cant understand that then u haven't started christianity.

And whosoever tells you that the Bible was compiled by the catholics did you great injustice. After the Roman soldiers killed Christ, they persecuted Christians likewise, but the more they persecuted them, the more they became widespread. Since they (Roman empire) couldn't get a grip on the christians, they dabbled into the church with their fertility goddess (as this was the god they worship in those days) regarding her as virgin Mary. They also dabbled into the church with all the fetish doctrines you see them practicing today. There are documents to back this up, I'm not speaking out of my own fertile imagination

this is a myth. I laugh at you fantasy.

anthonypeters: so I honour my father by making an
image that I 'feel' looks like him? I honur
my mother by making her image and then
bowing and praying before her image
right? It is such a pity when people fool
themselves. People now want to give God
a shape and a form aaaaah! God have
mercy!

hahaha, Jesus is the image of the unseen God. In christ God came with a form. Hehe

I do not know whether you have ever
came across where Jesus said, I am the
way the truth, and the life, NO ONE
COMETH UNTO THE FATHER BUT BY ME......
John 14.6. Jesus never said some people
will come through me while others will
come throguh Peter, others can as well
choose to come through Mary, some
might as well choose Maria. No one
cometh unto the father but by me. The
word of God is clear, human philosophy
and logic does not explain it, The word of
God standeth sure, it never fades, it does
not change with the course of time.

so when people ask u to pray for them they are not "coming to the father thru Jesus" abi?

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven
image, or any likeness of anything that is
in heaven above, or that is in the earth
beneath, or that is in the water under the
earth. Thou shalt not bow down theyself
to them........... Exodus 20:4-5. God
instructed Moses to make the serpent,
yes! Should anyone bitten by the snake
look upon it be healed, yes! God never
told them to bow to the brazen serpent,
God never told them to pray nor design
prayers to them, God never also told them
to make altars or prayers with them. By
the way, the brazen serpent was made on
God's instruction, Moses never woke up
and thought it to a good thing to design
an image or a brazen serpent rather. The
brazen serpent was made STRICTLY on
God's instruction. On whose instructions
were those images you use designed?

from thesame place d church got d instruction to compile d bible.

At the wedding in Cana, Mary the mother
of Jesus begged Jesus to help the cuple
wedding, that they were running out of
wine, Jesus actually did that but I want to
draw you back to what Mary the mother
of Jesus said to the servants serving a the
wedding before she left..... John 2:5 His
mother said unto the servants,
whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. Mary
was actually telling the servants that she
cant do anything with regards to their
need at that point in time, the only person
that could help them was Jesus!

amen!!! I agree and the catholic church agrees, no one says mary has d personal power to do miracles, instead we say as d bible shows that she has d power to say "they have no wine" and she can also say 'do what he tell you". She doesnt take d glory, she lead us to christ, she interceeds!

There is only one mediator between us
and the father, and that is Jesus, none
other. Jesus is the only way.... There is no
other means to the father except Jesus.

amen

I studied it, lived
it, baptised in it, communioned in it,
confirmed in it, bread and buttered in it,
and received awards as a faithful scholar
and teacher of the Catholic doctrine, until
when I went down to the roots, started
afresh and God showed me the truth I
never wanted to accept. Thank God Christ
Jesus!
I do not have time to enter deeply into
this, if you the poster should get to study
the Catholic Church, its doctrine..... Infact
everything about it, get to know the truth,
I tell you that you will..........
I am not saying that the Catholic Church in
itself is evil, NO! All I am saying is that
some of their doctrines should not be
practiced by anyone who actually is a
Christian. Have you done any studies on
buddhism, hiduism and other pagan
religions of the world ?
I cant actually say I am a protestant, NO I
am not a protestant, I am a Christian
saved by God's grace and mercy. Till today
my parents are Catholics, my siblings are
all Catholics, my relations both maternal
and paternal are all Catholics, even my
community is 90 percent Catholic except
me. Thank God for Jesus! I am not trying
to claim anything here please, try to
understand that I do not hete the Catholic
Church nor Catholics, I wish people will
get to know the truth. You cant imagine
the rate of hatred and insult I got from my
family when I declared Christianity, my
family hated me so much just for that
singular reason, but they failed cos they
saw that the change that brought to my
soul when I declared Christian is spiritual,
and as such came with many spiritual
gifts and blessings.
I wish I could have time and enough
space to discuss this, but I believe that a
word is enough for the wise.
God bless you!
Be rapturable because that is the greatest
message not pagan idols and biased
religions.
Once again, God bless you!

sorry my dear, u only professed d catholic faith u couldnt leave it.
Peace

Boomark: With this i believe you woun't insult me again. e remain italo and the other madman.

i put it to you that i have not insulted you before.

ijawkid: What!!!......which church??...I guess maybe church of satan not the church of GÓd...............

i talk am b4, i'm pity myself who is discussing with you. Is this d ansa u gave?
Smh, something really dey scratch ya body

Boomark: why not do the noble thing and apologize. italo and Richieboyn, who insulted me few minutes days ago will say the same thing and i woun't go searching for those numerous insults.

In your heart you know how much you have insulted me. Are you no longer a christian? why are you trying to be like logicboy03?

bookmark are you now God that searches the heart? If u cant provide the quote where i said that then shame on you!

ijawkid: Does God accepts prayers said with the accompaniment of beads??.....the last time I checked only pagans prayed to there gods that way....you want to exhonorate the foolish use of the rosary in prayers??..aren't u ashamed of yourself??......

Besides you are reading a false confused meaning into what I said on that page.........the rosary is as good as a dead jarule chain..........I still can't differentiate between a catholic and a pagan anymore...

You guys use beads in worship,u guys bow down to death meat,you guys bow down to graven images day in day out.......you guys do all the things Jesus and the apostles never did.........

Can you please kindly tell me difference between a sango worshipper,a buddhist and a catholic??.........

una see weytin i dey talk? Ijawkid is now God, he says God doesn't answer prayers said with beads.
Ijawkid sumtin dey scratch ya for body na e make u no fit talk truth.

Enigma u just insulted my intelligence and its a pity light no dey and my batteries low. I'll answer 2morow. Actually i won cry 4 u!

ijawkid: Mother of which church??.........and which morning star??.....smh......

Infact what is this hogwash!!!......

wow, if every xtian is part of christ then i guess in a mystical fashion it may b said marry is moda of d church. Hehehe

homesteady: LWKMD!! My broda you are very funny!!. 1 thing you said really made me laugh at your ignorance!! For heaven's sake, how 'll you say because i ask my fellow christain brothers and sisters to pray for me, dat means i can also ask "dead" people to pray for me Take it or not!! Dey are dead.
Is it written in the Bible anywere??


Well all you've said here is bullshit!! Because only just 1 sentence from JESUS answers all your fake theory's.
"NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME"
If you pray through mary or any saint,then you are kinda saying "Jesus is not strong enough to hear all our prayers,
that his grace is not sufficient enough for all of us". You are kinda imposing an assistant for him. Lol Assistant saviour!!

so the dead are no longer members of christ's body?? Your theology is scary!
If every christian as the bible says is in christ Jesus then going to a fellow xtian even a dead xtian is going to christ becos d christain is part of christ.

Boomark: What you should bro asking is how common is it among married pastors. That is a fair comparison. Minus fake pastors. You then tell urSelf the honest truth.

the honest truth is that protestant pastors who can freely marry still abuse children.
I just remembered a brazilian pastor who told his congregation that d holyspirit anointed his pe.nis to produce spiritual milk, he got many ladies who wanted d holyspirit milk.

ijawkid: Serving God as a celibate person isn't against Gods plan,..what is against Gods plan is forbidden others from getting married by attaching and enforcing the law of celibacy to offices of oversight(priestly office in this context).......

when I say service to God In the church you should know I'm reffereing to the priests.........on what basis is celibacy a requirement for catholic priests??.....human precepts or scriptural precepts??....why shouldn't a priest get married??.....as long as the RCC is concerned celibacy is a must for those who are reaching out for the priestly office....na lie I talk??......

yes!!! Na lie u talk, incase u no some catholic priest are married.

ijawkid: Did peter literally abandon his wife( turn into a celibate) and the rest of his family because he was told to??.......

i dont remember if his wife was even mentioned after he became an apostle. Only his mother in law was.

My bro stop being sentimental and let's discuss from the scriptures.........

Like I said earlier the man made enforced law on celibacy for the RCC priests is one of the reasons why homosexuality and pedophilia is prevalent among the priestly class.........

yeah, tell me about your theory of how celebacy causes heterosexuals to become homosexuals.

I don't know if u've seen this scripture...
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1 Timothy 4:1-3
New International Version (NIV)
The Spirit clearly says that in later times
some will abandon the faith and follow
deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2 Such teachings come through hypocritical
liars, whose consciences have been seared as
with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry
and order them to abstain from certain foods,
which God created to be received with
thanksgiving by those who believe and who
know the truth.
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The RCC should remove the celibacy law attached to the priestly office.......

i have seen it. It clearly says "in latter times..." if we forbade marriage like dat passage says then how come marriage ceremony are celebrated in d catholic church every week.

ijawkid: Did peter literally abandon his wife( turn into a celibate) and the rest of his family because he was told to??.......

i dont remember if his wife was even mentioned after he became an apostle. Only his mother in law was.

My bro stop being sentimental and let's discuss from the scriptures.........

Like I said earlier the man made enforced law on celibacy for the RCC priests is one of the reasons why homosexuality and pedophilia is prevalent among the priestly class.........

yeah, tell me about your theory of how celebacy causes heterosexuals to become homosexuals.

I don't know if u've seen this scripture...
______________________________
1 Timothy 4:1-3
New International Version (NIV)
The Spirit clearly says that in later times
some will abandon the faith and follow
deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2 Such teachings come through hypocritical
liars, whose consciences have been seared as
with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry
and order them to abstain from certain foods,
which God created to be received with
thanksgiving by those who believe and who
know the truth.
_______________________________

The RCC should remove the celibacy law attached to the priestly office.......

i have seen it. It clearly says "in latter times".