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budaatum:
In masonry, it's called, squaring the circle, and is also what one learns from studying Koans in Zen. In Zen, we say, Mu, in recognition that things are not only good or evil, black or white or positive or negative.

It's not easy to show what I mean, but I see it in the Gospels with Jesus not being blinded by the subjective view of the religious order of his day with their fire and brimstone god, and which allowed him to objectively approach the text and subjectively interpret it in light of a loving merciful God.

You see, however one wishes to see God and the Bible, one must approach it from, using your own words, "the bible says God is merciful", and anything that fails to comply with this can not be of God.

Taking God's mercifullness, a subjective but necessary view, as given, informs how one subjectively understands one's reading of the Bible as a religious text. But there's still the objective view, as in one without the religion and belief, which informs one too.

I, an atheist, read my bible for the book it is without the religious indoctrination for or against that most receive before reading it having never been fed it from childhood. I'll call that a somewhat objective reading. But despite being an atheist, also allow it to come alive in my subjective reading as a religious text. A spiritual reading might be a suitable description for this latter sort of reading.

I apply the "bread alone" to not reading it in only one single way, see.

actually a reading of scriptures as you described above without religion and belief is certainly not in any way objective.

The Bible was written by religious people, the immediate audience for which it was written are religious people, Israel and later the church. To read the Bible without religion and belief is the exact opposite of how it was written to be read, by so doing you arrive at defective conclusions.

amakadihot87:
..........its not mandatory that something will happen......I have showered with a guy ,he didn't Bleep me........

Huh?
how did that happen?

budaatum:
'Bad taste', remove from Uben's tongue! In the name of the Father, his Son, the HS, and by Mary's Grace.

Buda's belief is no determinant of the truth, Uben.

mary does not posses in d sense of 'own' grace, she too received grace. Grace is the divine goodness shown to us creatures. God 'has' grace, we all receive grace from him.

'Mary's grace' is an odd statement.

THIS IS A GOOD ONE,

The next time you hear someone praying against EVERY principality and power and trying to bind and cast all of them, please DO NOT SAY amen.

budaatum:
Uben, I do not think you regurgitated what you were told. And on this topic I am very dissatisfied with what you are "convinced is correct". It would seem you don't quite get my spirit, how dare someone like you whom I hold in very high esteem think I think they haven't a brain

I have read your posts and know that if you take time to pray on the issues raised on this thread, you will enlighten me much more than you did in your initial response which I critiqued as not your own thinking!

Please bookmark this thread so that you can easily find it when you receive missive from the HS. I must not be deprived of the wisdom that dwells in U Ben!

I know u dont believe in the HS, so ur post above leaves a bad taste on my tongue.

tesppidd:
These people should have gone beyond looking at other people's rallies, it's only 48 hours to go.

PDP have become voyeurs.

Adams has gone to Edo to run things.
Amaechi has retired to Rivers to strategize.
Tinubu stayed back in Lagos to deliver.
Akpabio has gone to Uyo to work.

But the demonic party PDP think it's wiser for these henchmen to keep following Buhari upandan for rally.

It's fuccking 48 hours to go!


They need to save their energies for the wailings they have got coming to them by Monday.

They have forgotten that politics is first and foremost local.

MiddleDimension:
do you know the rosicrucians? are you one of those who think that if you are not christian, you will burn in hell?

How all this take concern me?

budaatum:
I think you might mean how you "explain theosis is different from how it is explained in those cultures" , or how it has been explained to you, and I think if op wanted an off the shelf explanation, knowing a bit about op, he'd probably have gone to the shelf and picked one off himself.

I kind of think what op might be doing here is asking us to think about it, exercise the mind so to speak, at least that's what I think op's intention is here, and not just regurgitate what we already know or might have been told. But I guess since my ability to read minds is wonky, PastorAIO, please set me straight, would you.

I do not regurgitate what i am told, I hold a position because i am convinced it is correct not just because someone said it.

If u disagree then disagree but dont insinuate that i dont do my own thinking.

MiddleDimension:
awakening the THIRD EYE? is this Christian? @Ubenedictus @donnie @joagbaje

pls don't pass this by. I just want to know what you think about this.

third eye? my hand no dey that one.

Candles or lamps are symbols found all over the bible both old and new testament...it does not make prayer more effective, it is a symbol from the bible and used in all ancient christian church liturgy, do u remember d vision of John about 7 candle sticks....? it is used as a symbol of christ, light of the world.
you can browse abt it, i dont think i have d time to go into symbols i doubt u will even b open to appreciate

new2012:
He did.. Four judgement from different courts putting his trial on hold.


Take time to read, then understand before commenting

Those 4 courts are courts of coordinate jurisdiction and do not have the power to order the CCT, their judgements were set aside.
The court of appeal is the court with that power, and it has refused to stop the case.

higgs:
I am not supporting the suspended CJN but please,why is this case proceeding at the speed of light while that of others like the former SGF are moving at snail speed? Also,why did Buhari endorse Ganduje for a second term? I don't believe the president is honestly fighting corruption.

The CCT is a special court unlike the regular court its cases are supposed to be quick.
another special court is the election tribunal.

ejose4real:
.....there is no arm in trying

We already tried him and obj, they harmed us, and you still say there is no harm in trying?
Why should we try him again and be harmed again? what has changed?

dguyindcorner:
All of you shouting, "if he fumbles we'll vote him out."

First, are you bots? Talking as if na your school student union government.

This man has already fumbled, he's only coming to fulfill his mission of completely selling off Nigeria.

Abeg tell them, is it not the same atiku that was VP? apart from been younger Is he better than buhari?

crazydude1:
They have not paid them. FG is saying that they don't have #50 billion to pay them. Until FG settles with ASUU, looks like the strike will continue. Sometimes, I wonder why I'm still a Nigerian.

They have paid them their money, 50b is for revitalisation fund.

Ihedinobi3:
No, it doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't agree that it is arrogance that the Jews would claim some kind of right to decide if Daniel whether in whole or in part is accurate just because of the prophecies about the Messiah that make it unmistakable that the true King of Israel was and is Jesus Christ, the Man they crucified and whose followers they zealously persecuted.

they also debated books like song of songs, they knew that it was the duty of the believing community to discern what is scripture and not assume that it false down from the sky, you of course will do same, you just think it should be done by individuals not the community.

Lastly you are the person who has been defending a 10th century revision of the Hebrew Bible that mutilated messianic prophesies.

Well, that was the point. When she recognizes writings that were not inspired at all, is that a decision or not? Just like I believe that you would consider it a decision when anybody claims to recognize no inspiration in the Apocrypha

Here comes another one, Jesus promised his spirit to his church, he also promised his ever presence and added that the gate of hell will not prevail for that reason I have absolute trust that he keeps his promises and as the spirit guided the council in act 15 to teach what was necessary for the time, I believe he guides the church councils for all times so that they are authoritative and right in teaching.

For that reason I don't believe the church founded on those promises ever recognised an uninspired text in council

Groups of individuals do not possess free will. Free will is a trait that is possessed by and is only operational in individuals. That is why it is an individual matter, not a group affair.

where do you get these your theories from, why do you think the will of a group isn't free? What makes it fixed, are those who make up the group not human beings?

No Church did any such thing. The Scriptures have always spoken for themselves.

that you say so doesn't make it true.

This is where history puts the issue to rest, the church didn't such a thing, she recognized and canonised scripture in Hippo and Carthage.

That much is clear

Asked and answered.



Thank you, Ubenedictus. I deeply appreciate it.

you're welcome

Refer to my other response. As for the Hebrew rendering those passages differently, that is quite obviously not true.

read up ihe.

PS 40:7 what does the masoretic text say?

Heb 10 quotes the same scriptures what does it read?

What about PS 22:17?

His reason for quoting the Septuagint is the same reason why trained pastor-teachers today simply quote translations of the Bible that they have when they are correct or when they render the meaning in a way that is perfect for their purposes rather than simply translate every single passage they call up.

now you are presuming to know his intentions, that's a pretty poor argument.

You are free to believe whatever you want. I'm just tired of repeating myself. Besides it is not necessary as demonstrated by your argument about Jews differing in what was Scripture and what wasn't: you answered your own self later.

and here I was thinking you believed scriptures were always immediately recognized and it didn't take any time for the jews to set their canon...

You see you are not even consistent with your points?

Clearly not. The church you keep talking of is not a person. It is a group of persons. Corporately, it does not possess what persons possess which makes them able to do stuff like this as I have already explained in another response.

lol, this sounds funny, so a group of people cannot discern together? You see what Protestantism has caused for you, because act 15 tells me it is possible.

It was not a joke at all.



What's the big difference?



Answered several times already.

Edicted

budaatum:
Deification actually predates Christianity since it was practised by the Greeks, the Romans, the Egyptians and the Chinese long before Christ.

As to it's meaning, I think we are way beyond simply "setting apart", though that might depend on what you mean. Do you mean it in the "you are gods" sense?

i mean set apart in the sense goldenventures explained.

We are called by his name isn't about deification. And the way christians explain theosis is different from how it is explained in those cultures.

you are gods, deification is a important subject but I don't believe that is the meaning of called by his name.

Sad when a minister somehow lacks that intimacy with God.

Funny thing is that personal intimacy with God is exactly what he was taught for 10 years in the seminary, what was he doing all that time.

Font page pls

I hope this begins the process for greater religious freedom in the arabian penisula.

I believe you already know that when the biblical authors describe their thought they sometimes use concepts already developed in the culture...this is no different but these adopted concepts are usually given new meaning, a bit more or a bit less than they originally meant.

Watch out for that "a bit more or a bit less".

Budatum, of course diefication is an ancient christian belief, but to be called by God's name means to be set apart for him.

5thElement:
It is interesting to observe Nigerians from a distance, walahi!!

A section is hellbent on electing a dementia patient while the other section is dying to elect a known thief, looter of destinies and his merry band of kleptomaniacs.

You'd think there were just two political parties in Nigeria.

1000 likes, neither buhari nor atiku should be anywhere near the presidency.

Find peace in Christ whom you professed while on earth.
Rest in the Lord.

Dantedasz:
I like the way you always make the tail wag the dog. Keep on supporting evil like your pope. Keep standing logic on its head.

A major response to Hitler's Pope came from University of Mississippi law professor Ronald J. Rychlak in his 2000 book on the subject, Hitler, the War, and the Pope.[27] Rychlak was acknowledged by the Vatican to have been given special access to their closed archives for his research.[citation needed]

Rychlak disagreed with Cornwell's claim of having found a "time bomb letter", arguing that the letter in question had actually been written not by Pacelli but by his assistant, and moreover had been fully published and discussed in a 1992 book by Emma Fattorini (a highly respected docent at the University of Rome).[28] With respect to Cornwell's allegations of antisemitism, Rychlak stated that "When Pius XII died in 1958, there were tributes from virtually every Jewish group around the world".[29][30]

Rychlak also alleged that Cornwell manipulated the photograph on the front cover of the American edition of the book, and incorrectly dated the photo as having been taken in March 1939, the month that Pacelli was made Pope. Rychlak charged that this had been done deliberately in order to give the impression that Pius had just visited Hitler when, in fact, the photo had been taken in 1927 as Pius was leaving a reception held for German President Paul von Hindenburg.[31] Robert Royal has also repeated this allegation.[32]

In his 2005 book The Myth of Hitler's Pope, the historian and rabbi David G. Dalin also countered Cornwell.[33] Dalin suggested that Yad Vashem should honor Pope Pius XII as a "Righteous Gentile," concluding that "[t]he anti-papal polemics of ex-seminarians like Garry Wills and John Cornwell ... of ex-priests like James Carroll, and or other lapsed or angry liberal Catholics exploit the tragedy of the Jewish people during the Holocaust to foster their own political agenda of forcing changes on the Catholic Church today."[34] Dalin called the book's conclusions "unverified" and "strongly anti-religious".[35] Eugene Fisher, who has a PhD in Hebrew culture and education, said it was a "sad commentary on the secular media that this anti-Catholic screed was ever published".[35]

In his book The New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice, Philip Jenkins said that Hitler's Pope could not be understood except as a series of "very low blows against the modern Catholic Church, and specifically the papacy of John Paul II."[36]

Ken Woodward, writing in Newsweek, stated that Hitler's Pope has "errors of fact and ignorance of context [that] appear on almost every page."[37]

In an historical assessment of Pope Pius XII, the Encyclopædia Britannica addressed Cornwell's book in the following terms: "John Cornwell's controversial book on Pius, Hitler's Pope (1999), characterized him as anti-Semitic. [The depiction], however, lack[s] credible substantiation". The Encyclopedia further assessed his role in aiding Jews during the Holocaust as follows: "Although he allowed the national hierarchies to assess and respond to the situation in their countries, he established the Vatican Information Service to provide aid to, and information about, thousands of war refugees and instructed the church to provide discreet aid to Jews, which quietly saved thousands of lives".[38]

2013 book Disinformation: Former Spy Chief Reveals Secret Strategies for Undermining Freedom, Attacking Religion, and Promoting Terrorism by Rychlak and Pacepa criticises Cornwell and suggests the basis for many allegations were leaks from the Soviets as an attempt to undermine Catholic influence and thus weaken it as an anti-Communist enemy.

HappyPagan:
My Dad was Catholic, Mom Pentecostal - the tongue-speaking, pray-without-ceasing kind. Lost kids, Mom got more spiritual, to a point I sincerely worry about her mental health too. Dad is only just recovering. the past few years have been stressful - my unbelief hasn't helped matters.

But I've been so resolute, and slowly beginning to earn some respect. It's gone beyond 'it's just a phase he's going through' to 'let's see, God can still bring him back'. hopefully we get to 'maybe, he's right' soon.. that will be glorious.

how did the Catholic Vs Pentecostal thing play in your house.?

budaatum:
You didn't know "Christians can not even agree on what constitutes the Biblical canon", or "the books in the Bible were written by men"?

Have a look at this thread and come tell me why you refuse to know please!

this is why it isn't good to jump into a discussion without taking a full look at the line you're jumping into.

Lord claimed I know the Bible is a plagiarized, I certainly am not aware of any such thing, I only know that the writers of scripture share similar stories with the people of the ancient near east and that those shared stories may very well be there with Jewish colouring. As for plagiarism, I am not aware.


The Bible never says it was written by angels, of course it was written by men.

Over the years some Christians have rejected the ancient canon, how does their rejection concern me?

Next maybe he will tell me Jesus didn't exist because some Christians have reject the teaching that he is God and man... As in the former case their rejection doesn't change anything, the Christian Bible agreed on in antiquity has 73 books and if that isn't good enough for him that is his cup of tea.

MiddleDimension:
in 1905, Einstein explained to us that a gravitational wave does exist. and it was not up to 4years ago that it was finally discovered! the real people who are IN THIS WORLD BUT NOT OF THIS WORLD, ARE SCIENTISTS, AND MAYBE MYSTICS, LIKE THE ROSICRICIANS AND THE FREEMASONS ET AL, ALL OF WHOM ARE SAID TO BE HELL BOUND BY BORN-AGAINS.

@donnie @joagbaje @ubenedictus @chukwudi

how does this concern me?

Ihedinobi3:
Ridicule comes always. So I am not much concerned about being ridiculed. Your own concern with it, however, is very indicative.

As for half-truths, I don't believe I have anything more to add to all I have said in these discussions. Right now, each person must decide what they want to believe is wholly true, half-true or wholly false.

I am not a pessimist, I don't believe that ridicule comes always, if you present an issue truthfully and sincerely more often than you imagine you gain a little respect. telling half truths about a matter may get your peers to hail you but anyone who identifies those tiny bits of lies you have told will have less respect for both you and what you stand for.

Ihedinobi3:
I have not said that he never says anything right. I have just pointed out how you are always somehow on the same side as him including when he is not just wrong but willfully and dangerously so. I consider it a very telling thing.

Actually I fully understand what I am saying but I hope that you do not understand what you yourself are doing.

Let me describe how ridiculous your incredulity is:

Do you consider there to be any difference between my posts and myself? Do you think of my relationship to them as one where I am greater than or on the same level as them?

here comes the insinuations which I am going to avoid for the sake of sanity in the thread.


I would imagine that you would be greater than your post and that while your post is from you, it isn't you.

Unless you are claiming that your post is a human being.

budaatum:
see here.

that may very well be your interpretation and in a subjective sense that may very well be what the text says to you as a person.


The text I read of the last supper narrative hardly talked about faith, Jesus took a memorial meal and made it his own memorial.

He took bread, blessed it and broke it gavery it out and said it is his body, the same body that he gives for us.
He took wine did the same and said that is his blood, the very blood that seals his covenant... It doesn't get clearer than that for a historic Christian whether a catholic or Orthodox or oriental, Paul then tells us in his letters that the blessed cup of the early church liturgy is a participation in Jesus Christ own blood and the broken bread is a participation in Jesus's own body and warn that he who cannot discern what he is eating and he who is unworthy to eat it both court trouble for themselves.

That's pretty simple for me, I don't need to import the theme of faith into the text, the text is about Jesus Christ giving us his body and blood as the anamesis of his sacrifice.

That is pretty much the ancient understanding of that passage and you'll see it in the early Christian writing and more so all the ancient churches hold it.

How was ur day?

Syncan:
Be rest assured of my prayers.

I'll add my voice too.

fantasy2018:
I'm not saying that they don't want to serve God. We all do. But lets keep it real. Most of these people do it to please their parents or society with out knowing the consequences. Or they do it because that's all they know. Being lonely its not that easy. Trust me it complicates things.
There is a reason why God created a woman and man.
Not knowing a lady your whole entire life will lead you to knowing something else.

Nobody goes into the priesthood and claim he was not aware, it take 8 good years of been informed abt it. you must be an adult to be ordained.

if been celibate make people know something else then Jesus and Paul must be sexual deviant and they recommended that life for others.

Dantedasz:
Quite frankly I believe the delusion of religion has so blinded you that you have comprehension problems. Read what you posted again.....this time slowly.

So you suddenly became blind to read that the writer of the book totally denied the conclusions he made after 10 years of been debunked and refuted.